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Poland3748 Posts
On March 21 2014 21:13 ReMinD_ wrote:
I don't understand how anyone can like Naniwa. He's such a brat. EG wants you to play at a tournament, you go play at a tournament. That's your job as a professional player.
Also, why would EG keep him if he won't play anymore. Good riddance I say.
I don't think he did anything unexpected considering we saw Probe Rush. But you can't deny his results and his air protoss style was very fun to watch.
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Poland3748 Posts
On March 21 2014 21:15 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 21:00 Zax19 wrote:On March 21 2014 19:17 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 21 2014 18:59 Grovbolle wrote:On March 21 2014 18:52 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 21 2014 16:07 DaftFunk wrote:latest post from Johan: On March 21 2014 09:54 Naniwa wrote:everything that happened was extremly silly, to be honest i told my team atleast 5 times that i didnt want to go and that they should make iem get a replacement for me. but my team didnt agree with this and also IEM said that they would highly recommend me to go or there would be consequenses ( this is what my team told me ) i would ofcourse not want to go to waste my time playing a tournament in a game i dont even practice anymore as it was a huge waste of time but as i said i was forced to because of SPONSOR Things, and ironically enough i got kicked out of the team for going there and doing what i did when i didnt even wanna go or play sc2 in the first place funnily enough.  but whatever im not sad and i dont really care anymore about that, im sure that if i practice 2 weeks in the future i can make the comeback as the best foreign player at any time if i feel like it. its a bit funny tho that ppl think other people deserve the spot ( Yes i wanted to give it away cuz i didnt wanna play the tour ) but i won it fair and square by going top2 at newyork, if other people wouldve "deserved it" then they could learn to qualify to tournaments by their own skill so what he did was bad, but i dont know if he desrves to be kicked off of alliance/eg. He broke like every rule of the blizzard WCS rules so he should be punished sure. But the "there will be consequences" is : WTF ? The guy wants to quit. And threatened him ? I mean, i really don't like Naniwa. I REALLY DON'T. But this is fucked up to threaten a guy... If you want to fire him. Fire him. The guy said he didn't want to do that job anymore. So you break contract. You don't force him. But Naniwa is bad publicity (like iDra was. Strangly i like iDra) but you deal with it. Maybe alliance wasn't prepared enough to absorb the shitstorm Naniwa could create. Naniwa is a really good player. A bad sportmanship and e-sport representative. But you don't kick a guy after threateing him to do something. This is bad management. But we only have one part of the story... On March 21 2014 18:29 Peqqz wrote:On March 21 2014 18:27 boxerfred wrote:
I wouldn't by any products that Naniwa is doing advertisement for anyways. That was pretty rude. I dont know if this helps this Disscusion Well. I wouldn't buy any products too. This is not Rude (well it kind of is :p :p) but if i don't like something/someone, why would i give them money ? Lol. He was asked to do his job, and he didn't. Of course you tell him to do it, and fire him when he behaves like a spoiled child. But they shouldn't have let him go there. They should have fired him before. Or maybe they didn't have official reasons at that moment. But you know the guy, he's going to do shitty things so you don't send him and you part ways. Safer for your sponsors that way too. That's what i was trying to say. On March 21 2014 19:03 ETisME wrote:On March 21 2014 18:52 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 21 2014 16:07 DaftFunk wrote:latest post from Johan: On March 21 2014 09:54 Naniwa wrote:everything that happened was extremly silly, to be honest i told my team atleast 5 times that i didnt want to go and that they should make iem get a replacement for me. but my team didnt agree with this and also IEM said that they would highly recommend me to go or there would be consequenses ( this is what my team told me ) i would ofcourse not want to go to waste my time playing a tournament in a game i dont even practice anymore as it was a huge waste of time but as i said i was forced to because of SPONSOR Things, and ironically enough i got kicked out of the team for going there and doing what i did when i didnt even wanna go or play sc2 in the first place funnily enough. but whatever im not sad and i dont really care anymore about that, im sure that if i practice 2 weeks in the future i can make the comeback as the best foreign player at any time if i feel like it. its a bit funny tho that ppl think other people deserve the spot ( Yes i wanted to give it away cuz i didnt wanna play the tour ) but i won it fair and square by going top2 at newyork, if other people wouldve "deserved it" then they could learn to qualify to tournaments by their own skill so what he did was bad, but i dont know if he desrves to be kicked off of alliance/eg. He broke like every rule of the blizzard WCS rules so he should be punished sure. But the "there will be consequences" is : WTF ? The guy wants to quit. And threatened him ? I mean, i really don't like Naniwa. I REALLY DON'T. But this is fucked up to threaten a guy... If you want to fire him. Fire him. The guy said he didn't want to do that job anymore. So you break contract. You don't force him. But Naniwa is bad publicity (like iDra was. Strangly i like iDra) but you deal with it. Maybe alliance wasn't prepared enough to absorb the shitstorm Naniwa could create. Naniwa is a really good player. A bad sportmanship and e-sport representative. But you don't kick a guy after threateing him to do something. This is bad management. But we only have one part of the story... On March 21 2014 18:29 Peqqz wrote:On March 21 2014 18:27 boxerfred wrote:
I wouldn't by any products that Naniwa is doing advertisement for anyways. That was pretty rude. I dont know if this helps this Disscusion Well. I wouldn't buy any products too. This is not Rude (well it kind of is :p :p) but if i don't like something/someone, why would i give them money ? You can and you should. If my boss asks me to do something that I don't want to do, I wouldn't make a complete mess of what is asked. There is an acceptable level of performance, using my own example, I don't want to negotiate price with Chinese factory because my Mandarin isn't great, but I certainly would at least make some sort of progress instead of calling the factory and slam.them with a stupid price and expect I will be fine. Well if my boss tells me to do something that i don't want to. If i have reason to not wanting to do it, i'll take to my boss and see what we can do. You're not a soldier and this is not orders. You go to your manager and say something along the lines : " I want to quit, so do not send me there ". " You are obliged to do so because contract ". " So you want me to go, play bad, be mad, lose, and make sponsors not happy with you because of this ?" If you are a good manager you say : "Ok give me your resignation". And parts ways Quoted for the truth yeah... or you just uphold your end of the contract.
Do you know his contract? :>
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On March 21 2014 21:06 reapsen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 21:00 Zax19 wrote:On March 21 2014 19:17 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 21 2014 18:59 Grovbolle wrote:On March 21 2014 18:52 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 21 2014 16:07 DaftFunk wrote:latest post from Johan: On March 21 2014 09:54 Naniwa wrote:everything that happened was extremly silly, to be honest i told my team atleast 5 times that i didnt want to go and that they should make iem get a replacement for me. but my team didnt agree with this and also IEM said that they would highly recommend me to go or there would be consequenses ( this is what my team told me ) i would ofcourse not want to go to waste my time playing a tournament in a game i dont even practice anymore as it was a huge waste of time but as i said i was forced to because of SPONSOR Things, and ironically enough i got kicked out of the team for going there and doing what i did when i didnt even wanna go or play sc2 in the first place funnily enough. but whatever im not sad and i dont really care anymore about that, im sure that if i practice 2 weeks in the future i can make the comeback as the best foreign player at any time if i feel like it. its a bit funny tho that ppl think other people deserve the spot ( Yes i wanted to give it away cuz i didnt wanna play the tour ) but i won it fair and square by going top2 at newyork, if other people wouldve "deserved it" then they could learn to qualify to tournaments by their own skill so what he did was bad, but i dont know if he desrves to be kicked off of alliance/eg. He broke like every rule of the blizzard WCS rules so he should be punished sure. But the "there will be consequences" is : WTF ? The guy wants to quit. And threatened him ? I mean, i really don't like Naniwa. I REALLY DON'T. But this is fucked up to threaten a guy... If you want to fire him. Fire him. The guy said he didn't want to do that job anymore. So you break contract. You don't force him. But Naniwa is bad publicity (like iDra was. Strangly i like iDra) but you deal with it. Maybe alliance wasn't prepared enough to absorb the shitstorm Naniwa could create. Naniwa is a really good player. A bad sportmanship and e-sport representative. But you don't kick a guy after threateing him to do something. This is bad management. But we only have one part of the story... On March 21 2014 18:29 Peqqz wrote:On March 21 2014 18:27 boxerfred wrote:
I wouldn't by any products that Naniwa is doing advertisement for anyways. That was pretty rude. I dont know if this helps this Disscusion Well. I wouldn't buy any products too. This is not Rude (well it kind of is :p :p) but if i don't like something/someone, why would i give them money ? Lol. He was asked to do his job, and he didn't. Of course you tell him to do it, and fire him when he behaves like a spoiled child. But they shouldn't have let him go there. They should have fired him before. Or maybe they didn't have official reasons at that moment. But you know the guy, he's going to do shitty things so you don't send him and you part ways. Safer for your sponsors that way too. That's what i was trying to say. On March 21 2014 19:03 ETisME wrote:On March 21 2014 18:52 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 21 2014 16:07 DaftFunk wrote:latest post from Johan: On March 21 2014 09:54 Naniwa wrote:everything that happened was extremly silly, to be honest i told my team atleast 5 times that i didnt want to go and that they should make iem get a replacement for me. but my team didnt agree with this and also IEM said that they would highly recommend me to go or there would be consequenses ( this is what my team told me ) i would ofcourse not want to go to waste my time playing a tournament in a game i dont even practice anymore as it was a huge waste of time but as i said i was forced to because of SPONSOR Things, and ironically enough i got kicked out of the team for going there and doing what i did when i didnt even wanna go or play sc2 in the first place funnily enough. but whatever im not sad and i dont really care anymore about that, im sure that if i practice 2 weeks in the future i can make the comeback as the best foreign player at any time if i feel like it. its a bit funny tho that ppl think other people deserve the spot ( Yes i wanted to give it away cuz i didnt wanna play the tour ) but i won it fair and square by going top2 at newyork, if other people wouldve "deserved it" then they could learn to qualify to tournaments by their own skill so what he did was bad, but i dont know if he desrves to be kicked off of alliance/eg. He broke like every rule of the blizzard WCS rules so he should be punished sure. But the "there will be consequences" is : WTF ? The guy wants to quit. And threatened him ? I mean, i really don't like Naniwa. I REALLY DON'T. But this is fucked up to threaten a guy... If you want to fire him. Fire him. The guy said he didn't want to do that job anymore. So you break contract. You don't force him. But Naniwa is bad publicity (like iDra was. Strangly i like iDra) but you deal with it. Maybe alliance wasn't prepared enough to absorb the shitstorm Naniwa could create. Naniwa is a really good player. A bad sportmanship and e-sport representative. But you don't kick a guy after threateing him to do something. This is bad management. But we only have one part of the story... On March 21 2014 18:29 Peqqz wrote:On March 21 2014 18:27 boxerfred wrote:
I wouldn't by any products that Naniwa is doing advertisement for anyways. That was pretty rude. I dont know if this helps this Disscusion Well. I wouldn't buy any products too. This is not Rude (well it kind of is :p :p) but if i don't like something/someone, why would i give them money ? You can and you should. If my boss asks me to do something that I don't want to do, I wouldn't make a complete mess of what is asked. There is an acceptable level of performance, using my own example, I don't want to negotiate price with Chinese factory because my Mandarin isn't great, but I certainly would at least make some sort of progress instead of calling the factory and slam.them with a stupid price and expect I will be fine. Well if my boss tells me to do something that i don't want to. If i have reason to not wanting to do it, i'll take to my boss and see what we can do. You're not a soldier and this is not orders. You go to your manager and say something along the lines : " I want to quit, so do not send me there ". " You are obliged to do so because contract ". " So you want me to go, play bad, be mad, lose, and make sponsors not happy with you because of this ?" If you are a good manager you say : "Ok give me your resignation". And parts ways Quoted for the truth If you are a good manager you say: "No, i want you to go, be professional and put your personal feelings aside for the company that paid your living for the last months, when you already slacked around. Give your best one more time, represent yourself, our team and our sponsors in the most dignified way and then go out of scene with a decent ending." Seriously, you make it sound as if asking (or commanding) him to play a last decent bo5 set is some kind of slave work... wtf? Naniwa have a competitive mind. He can't give a good show, if his heart is not in it. He can't do his best, because he hadn't practiced. Anyone who understands Naniwa would never send him there.
Anyone asking him to put his personal feelings aside, would basically be asking Naniwa, not to be Naniwa. Naniwa can't. Many can, but he cannot. Because he is a genuine person with a lot of emotions.
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GL to Naniwa.. Maybe take a few months with no pressure from anyone to rethink himself and find a new goal.
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There's responsibilities you should've been doing, but good on you Naniwa.
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On March 21 2014 21:18 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 21:15 nkr wrote:On March 21 2014 21:00 Zax19 wrote:On March 21 2014 19:17 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 21 2014 18:59 Grovbolle wrote:On March 21 2014 18:52 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 21 2014 16:07 DaftFunk wrote:latest post from Johan: On March 21 2014 09:54 Naniwa wrote:everything that happened was extremly silly, to be honest i told my team atleast 5 times that i didnt want to go and that they should make iem get a replacement for me. but my team didnt agree with this and also IEM said that they would highly recommend me to go or there would be consequenses ( this is what my team told me ) i would ofcourse not want to go to waste my time playing a tournament in a game i dont even practice anymore as it was a huge waste of time but as i said i was forced to because of SPONSOR Things, and ironically enough i got kicked out of the team for going there and doing what i did when i didnt even wanna go or play sc2 in the first place funnily enough. but whatever im not sad and i dont really care anymore about that, im sure that if i practice 2 weeks in the future i can make the comeback as the best foreign player at any time if i feel like it. its a bit funny tho that ppl think other people deserve the spot ( Yes i wanted to give it away cuz i didnt wanna play the tour ) but i won it fair and square by going top2 at newyork, if other people wouldve "deserved it" then they could learn to qualify to tournaments by their own skill so what he did was bad, but i dont know if he desrves to be kicked off of alliance/eg. He broke like every rule of the blizzard WCS rules so he should be punished sure. But the "there will be consequences" is : WTF ? The guy wants to quit. And threatened him ? I mean, i really don't like Naniwa. I REALLY DON'T. But this is fucked up to threaten a guy... If you want to fire him. Fire him. The guy said he didn't want to do that job anymore. So you break contract. You don't force him. But Naniwa is bad publicity (like iDra was. Strangly i like iDra) but you deal with it. Maybe alliance wasn't prepared enough to absorb the shitstorm Naniwa could create. Naniwa is a really good player. A bad sportmanship and e-sport representative. But you don't kick a guy after threateing him to do something. This is bad management. But we only have one part of the story... On March 21 2014 18:29 Peqqz wrote:On March 21 2014 18:27 boxerfred wrote:
I wouldn't by any products that Naniwa is doing advertisement for anyways. That was pretty rude. I dont know if this helps this Disscusion Well. I wouldn't buy any products too. This is not Rude (well it kind of is :p :p) but if i don't like something/someone, why would i give them money ? Lol. He was asked to do his job, and he didn't. Of course you tell him to do it, and fire him when he behaves like a spoiled child. But they shouldn't have let him go there. They should have fired him before. Or maybe they didn't have official reasons at that moment. But you know the guy, he's going to do shitty things so you don't send him and you part ways. Safer for your sponsors that way too. That's what i was trying to say. On March 21 2014 19:03 ETisME wrote:On March 21 2014 18:52 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 21 2014 16:07 DaftFunk wrote:latest post from Johan: On March 21 2014 09:54 Naniwa wrote:everything that happened was extremly silly, to be honest i told my team atleast 5 times that i didnt want to go and that they should make iem get a replacement for me. but my team didnt agree with this and also IEM said that they would highly recommend me to go or there would be consequenses ( this is what my team told me ) i would ofcourse not want to go to waste my time playing a tournament in a game i dont even practice anymore as it was a huge waste of time but as i said i was forced to because of SPONSOR Things, and ironically enough i got kicked out of the team for going there and doing what i did when i didnt even wanna go or play sc2 in the first place funnily enough. but whatever im not sad and i dont really care anymore about that, im sure that if i practice 2 weeks in the future i can make the comeback as the best foreign player at any time if i feel like it. its a bit funny tho that ppl think other people deserve the spot ( Yes i wanted to give it away cuz i didnt wanna play the tour ) but i won it fair and square by going top2 at newyork, if other people wouldve "deserved it" then they could learn to qualify to tournaments by their own skill so what he did was bad, but i dont know if he desrves to be kicked off of alliance/eg. He broke like every rule of the blizzard WCS rules so he should be punished sure. But the "there will be consequences" is : WTF ? The guy wants to quit. And threatened him ? I mean, i really don't like Naniwa. I REALLY DON'T. But this is fucked up to threaten a guy... If you want to fire him. Fire him. The guy said he didn't want to do that job anymore. So you break contract. You don't force him. But Naniwa is bad publicity (like iDra was. Strangly i like iDra) but you deal with it. Maybe alliance wasn't prepared enough to absorb the shitstorm Naniwa could create. Naniwa is a really good player. A bad sportmanship and e-sport representative. But you don't kick a guy after threateing him to do something. This is bad management. But we only have one part of the story... On March 21 2014 18:29 Peqqz wrote:On March 21 2014 18:27 boxerfred wrote:
I wouldn't by any products that Naniwa is doing advertisement for anyways. That was pretty rude. I dont know if this helps this Disscusion Well. I wouldn't buy any products too. This is not Rude (well it kind of is :p :p) but if i don't like something/someone, why would i give them money ? You can and you should. If my boss asks me to do something that I don't want to do, I wouldn't make a complete mess of what is asked. There is an acceptable level of performance, using my own example, I don't want to negotiate price with Chinese factory because my Mandarin isn't great, but I certainly would at least make some sort of progress instead of calling the factory and slam.them with a stupid price and expect I will be fine. Well if my boss tells me to do something that i don't want to. If i have reason to not wanting to do it, i'll take to my boss and see what we can do. You're not a soldier and this is not orders. You go to your manager and say something along the lines : " I want to quit, so do not send me there ". " You are obliged to do so because contract ". " So you want me to go, play bad, be mad, lose, and make sponsors not happy with you because of this ?" If you are a good manager you say : "Ok give me your resignation". And parts ways Quoted for the truth yeah... or you just uphold your end of the contract. Do you know his contract? :>
everyone's contract has a clause that says the management will review and monitor your performance is up to standard.
I don't think any company that won't have this clause in it, it might be worded differently but it will always be there.
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Can you imagine wat wud happen in a game of DoTa with Naniwa in it.... OMGGGGGGGG..... Probe rush? If he wanted to BM in DoTA theres 985634673888722x ways to do it. LOL!
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On March 21 2014 18:30 Foxxan wrote:
If i was a professional player
And its no soundproof
I would be really mad
How did soundproofing matter at all? He didn't care anyway. He didn't even try to win. He didn't train before the tournament! Not even one single game.
It was just an excuse to create drama.
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On March 21 2014 21:18 Dracolich70 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 21:06 reapsen wrote:On March 21 2014 21:00 Zax19 wrote:On March 21 2014 19:17 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 21 2014 18:59 Grovbolle wrote:On March 21 2014 18:52 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 21 2014 16:07 DaftFunk wrote:latest post from Johan: On March 21 2014 09:54 Naniwa wrote:everything that happened was extremly silly, to be honest i told my team atleast 5 times that i didnt want to go and that they should make iem get a replacement for me. but my team didnt agree with this and also IEM said that they would highly recommend me to go or there would be consequenses ( this is what my team told me ) i would ofcourse not want to go to waste my time playing a tournament in a game i dont even practice anymore as it was a huge waste of time but as i said i was forced to because of SPONSOR Things, and ironically enough i got kicked out of the team for going there and doing what i did when i didnt even wanna go or play sc2 in the first place funnily enough. but whatever im not sad and i dont really care anymore about that, im sure that if i practice 2 weeks in the future i can make the comeback as the best foreign player at any time if i feel like it. its a bit funny tho that ppl think other people deserve the spot ( Yes i wanted to give it away cuz i didnt wanna play the tour ) but i won it fair and square by going top2 at newyork, if other people wouldve "deserved it" then they could learn to qualify to tournaments by their own skill so what he did was bad, but i dont know if he desrves to be kicked off of alliance/eg. He broke like every rule of the blizzard WCS rules so he should be punished sure. But the "there will be consequences" is : WTF ? The guy wants to quit. And threatened him ? I mean, i really don't like Naniwa. I REALLY DON'T. But this is fucked up to threaten a guy... If you want to fire him. Fire him. The guy said he didn't want to do that job anymore. So you break contract. You don't force him. But Naniwa is bad publicity (like iDra was. Strangly i like iDra) but you deal with it. Maybe alliance wasn't prepared enough to absorb the shitstorm Naniwa could create. Naniwa is a really good player. A bad sportmanship and e-sport representative. But you don't kick a guy after threateing him to do something. This is bad management. But we only have one part of the story... On March 21 2014 18:29 Peqqz wrote:On March 21 2014 18:27 boxerfred wrote:
I wouldn't by any products that Naniwa is doing advertisement for anyways. That was pretty rude. I dont know if this helps this Disscusion Well. I wouldn't buy any products too. This is not Rude (well it kind of is :p :p) but if i don't like something/someone, why would i give them money ? Lol. He was asked to do his job, and he didn't. Of course you tell him to do it, and fire him when he behaves like a spoiled child. But they shouldn't have let him go there. They should have fired him before. Or maybe they didn't have official reasons at that moment. But you know the guy, he's going to do shitty things so you don't send him and you part ways. Safer for your sponsors that way too. That's what i was trying to say. On March 21 2014 19:03 ETisME wrote:On March 21 2014 18:52 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 21 2014 16:07 DaftFunk wrote:latest post from Johan: On March 21 2014 09:54 Naniwa wrote:everything that happened was extremly silly, to be honest i told my team atleast 5 times that i didnt want to go and that they should make iem get a replacement for me. but my team didnt agree with this and also IEM said that they would highly recommend me to go or there would be consequenses ( this is what my team told me ) i would ofcourse not want to go to waste my time playing a tournament in a game i dont even practice anymore as it was a huge waste of time but as i said i was forced to because of SPONSOR Things, and ironically enough i got kicked out of the team for going there and doing what i did when i didnt even wanna go or play sc2 in the first place funnily enough. but whatever im not sad and i dont really care anymore about that, im sure that if i practice 2 weeks in the future i can make the comeback as the best foreign player at any time if i feel like it. its a bit funny tho that ppl think other people deserve the spot ( Yes i wanted to give it away cuz i didnt wanna play the tour ) but i won it fair and square by going top2 at newyork, if other people wouldve "deserved it" then they could learn to qualify to tournaments by their own skill so what he did was bad, but i dont know if he desrves to be kicked off of alliance/eg. He broke like every rule of the blizzard WCS rules so he should be punished sure. But the "there will be consequences" is : WTF ? The guy wants to quit. And threatened him ? I mean, i really don't like Naniwa. I REALLY DON'T. But this is fucked up to threaten a guy... If you want to fire him. Fire him. The guy said he didn't want to do that job anymore. So you break contract. You don't force him. But Naniwa is bad publicity (like iDra was. Strangly i like iDra) but you deal with it. Maybe alliance wasn't prepared enough to absorb the shitstorm Naniwa could create. Naniwa is a really good player. A bad sportmanship and e-sport representative. But you don't kick a guy after threateing him to do something. This is bad management. But we only have one part of the story... On March 21 2014 18:29 Peqqz wrote:On March 21 2014 18:27 boxerfred wrote:
I wouldn't by any products that Naniwa is doing advertisement for anyways. That was pretty rude. I dont know if this helps this Disscusion Well. I wouldn't buy any products too. This is not Rude (well it kind of is :p :p) but if i don't like something/someone, why would i give them money ? You can and you should. If my boss asks me to do something that I don't want to do, I wouldn't make a complete mess of what is asked. There is an acceptable level of performance, using my own example, I don't want to negotiate price with Chinese factory because my Mandarin isn't great, but I certainly would at least make some sort of progress instead of calling the factory and slam.them with a stupid price and expect I will be fine. Well if my boss tells me to do something that i don't want to. If i have reason to not wanting to do it, i'll take to my boss and see what we can do. You're not a soldier and this is not orders. You go to your manager and say something along the lines : " I want to quit, so do not send me there ". " You are obliged to do so because contract ". " So you want me to go, play bad, be mad, lose, and make sponsors not happy with you because of this ?" If you are a good manager you say : "Ok give me your resignation". And parts ways Quoted for the truth If you are a good manager you say: "No, i want you to go, be professional and put your personal feelings aside for the company that paid your living for the last months, when you already slacked around. Give your best one more time, represent yourself, our team and our sponsors in the most dignified way and then go out of scene with a decent ending." Seriously, you make it sound as if asking (or commanding) him to play a last decent bo5 set is some kind of slave work... wtf? Naniwa have a competitive mind. He can't give a good show, if his heart is not in it. He can't do his best, because he hadn't practiced. Anyone who understands Naniwa would never send him there.
No, he does not have a competetive mind. He has a narcissistic mind. He only can give his best, when he feels that he personally can gain anything from the game. A professional competitor will give his best (or atleast be somewhat entertaining) whenever there is at least 1 guy in the audience who paid for watching him perform.
It blows my mind that he was in the business for such a long time and still does not understand the necessity of reputation of yourself and the people and companys you represent.
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On March 21 2014 21:18 Dracolich70 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 21:06 reapsen wrote:On March 21 2014 21:00 Zax19 wrote:On March 21 2014 19:17 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 21 2014 18:59 Grovbolle wrote:On March 21 2014 18:52 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 21 2014 16:07 DaftFunk wrote:latest post from Johan: On March 21 2014 09:54 Naniwa wrote:everything that happened was extremly silly, to be honest i told my team atleast 5 times that i didnt want to go and that they should make iem get a replacement for me. but my team didnt agree with this and also IEM said that they would highly recommend me to go or there would be consequenses ( this is what my team told me ) i would ofcourse not want to go to waste my time playing a tournament in a game i dont even practice anymore as it was a huge waste of time but as i said i was forced to because of SPONSOR Things, and ironically enough i got kicked out of the team for going there and doing what i did when i didnt even wanna go or play sc2 in the first place funnily enough. but whatever im not sad and i dont really care anymore about that, im sure that if i practice 2 weeks in the future i can make the comeback as the best foreign player at any time if i feel like it. its a bit funny tho that ppl think other people deserve the spot ( Yes i wanted to give it away cuz i didnt wanna play the tour ) but i won it fair and square by going top2 at newyork, if other people wouldve "deserved it" then they could learn to qualify to tournaments by their own skill so what he did was bad, but i dont know if he desrves to be kicked off of alliance/eg. He broke like every rule of the blizzard WCS rules so he should be punished sure. But the "there will be consequences" is : WTF ? The guy wants to quit. And threatened him ? I mean, i really don't like Naniwa. I REALLY DON'T. But this is fucked up to threaten a guy... If you want to fire him. Fire him. The guy said he didn't want to do that job anymore. So you break contract. You don't force him. But Naniwa is bad publicity (like iDra was. Strangly i like iDra) but you deal with it. Maybe alliance wasn't prepared enough to absorb the shitstorm Naniwa could create. Naniwa is a really good player. A bad sportmanship and e-sport representative. But you don't kick a guy after threateing him to do something. This is bad management. But we only have one part of the story... On March 21 2014 18:29 Peqqz wrote:On March 21 2014 18:27 boxerfred wrote:
I wouldn't by any products that Naniwa is doing advertisement for anyways. That was pretty rude. I dont know if this helps this Disscusion Well. I wouldn't buy any products too. This is not Rude (well it kind of is :p :p) but if i don't like something/someone, why would i give them money ? Lol. He was asked to do his job, and he didn't. Of course you tell him to do it, and fire him when he behaves like a spoiled child. But they shouldn't have let him go there. They should have fired him before. Or maybe they didn't have official reasons at that moment. But you know the guy, he's going to do shitty things so you don't send him and you part ways. Safer for your sponsors that way too. That's what i was trying to say. On March 21 2014 19:03 ETisME wrote:On March 21 2014 18:52 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 21 2014 16:07 DaftFunk wrote:latest post from Johan: On March 21 2014 09:54 Naniwa wrote:everything that happened was extremly silly, to be honest i told my team atleast 5 times that i didnt want to go and that they should make iem get a replacement for me. but my team didnt agree with this and also IEM said that they would highly recommend me to go or there would be consequenses ( this is what my team told me ) i would ofcourse not want to go to waste my time playing a tournament in a game i dont even practice anymore as it was a huge waste of time but as i said i was forced to because of SPONSOR Things, and ironically enough i got kicked out of the team for going there and doing what i did when i didnt even wanna go or play sc2 in the first place funnily enough. but whatever im not sad and i dont really care anymore about that, im sure that if i practice 2 weeks in the future i can make the comeback as the best foreign player at any time if i feel like it. its a bit funny tho that ppl think other people deserve the spot ( Yes i wanted to give it away cuz i didnt wanna play the tour ) but i won it fair and square by going top2 at newyork, if other people wouldve "deserved it" then they could learn to qualify to tournaments by their own skill so what he did was bad, but i dont know if he desrves to be kicked off of alliance/eg. He broke like every rule of the blizzard WCS rules so he should be punished sure. But the "there will be consequences" is : WTF ? The guy wants to quit. And threatened him ? I mean, i really don't like Naniwa. I REALLY DON'T. But this is fucked up to threaten a guy... If you want to fire him. Fire him. The guy said he didn't want to do that job anymore. So you break contract. You don't force him. But Naniwa is bad publicity (like iDra was. Strangly i like iDra) but you deal with it. Maybe alliance wasn't prepared enough to absorb the shitstorm Naniwa could create. Naniwa is a really good player. A bad sportmanship and e-sport representative. But you don't kick a guy after threateing him to do something. This is bad management. But we only have one part of the story... On March 21 2014 18:29 Peqqz wrote:On March 21 2014 18:27 boxerfred wrote:
I wouldn't by any products that Naniwa is doing advertisement for anyways. That was pretty rude. I dont know if this helps this Disscusion Well. I wouldn't buy any products too. This is not Rude (well it kind of is :p :p) but if i don't like something/someone, why would i give them money ? You can and you should. If my boss asks me to do something that I don't want to do, I wouldn't make a complete mess of what is asked. There is an acceptable level of performance, using my own example, I don't want to negotiate price with Chinese factory because my Mandarin isn't great, but I certainly would at least make some sort of progress instead of calling the factory and slam.them with a stupid price and expect I will be fine. Well if my boss tells me to do something that i don't want to. If i have reason to not wanting to do it, i'll take to my boss and see what we can do. You're not a soldier and this is not orders. You go to your manager and say something along the lines : " I want to quit, so do not send me there ". " You are obliged to do so because contract ". " So you want me to go, play bad, be mad, lose, and make sponsors not happy with you because of this ?" If you are a good manager you say : "Ok give me your resignation". And parts ways Quoted for the truth If you are a good manager you say: "No, i want you to go, be professional and put your personal feelings aside for the company that paid your living for the last months, when you already slacked around. Give your best one more time, represent yourself, our team and our sponsors in the most dignified way and then go out of scene with a decent ending." Seriously, you make it sound as if asking (or commanding) him to play a last decent bo5 set is some kind of slave work... wtf? Naniwa have a competitive mind. He can't give a good show, if his heart is not in it. He can't do his best, because he hadn't practiced. Anyone who understands Naniwa would never send him there. Anyone asking him to put his personal feelings aside, would basically be asking Naniwa, not to be Naniwa. Naniwa can't. Many can, but he cannot. Because he is a genuine person with a lot of emotions.
Oh man, I almost felt tears reading this. Almost !
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I thought that was quite funny, but Kas is also a notorious whiner.
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There used to be a time that trolling pro's like this was a bannable offense. This is just a massive trollol flamebait thread.
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i guess the only team where naniwa can stay cool and not do stuff like this and not lose interest would be a korean team, staying in a korean team house.
I`m somehow sad that he left sc2(e-sport), but i have a feeling that he will be back, a bit sorry that the departure happened like this, he really looked like an ass when left IEM.
Some say that nani is the best foreigner.. i rank him top 5, hard to say who is the best, but i`d say something like Jinro, Stephano, Huk, Nani, Idra
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On March 21 2014 21:30 jarod wrote:
i guess the only team where naniwa can stay cool and not do stuff like this and not lose interest would be a korean team, staying in a korean team house.
I`m somehow sad that he left sc2(e-sport), but i have a feeling that he will be back, a bit sorry that the departure happened like this, he really looked like an ass when left IEM.
Some say that nani is the best foreigner.. i rank him top 5, hard to say who is the best, but i`d say something like Jinro, Stephano, Huk, Nani, Idra
Misses Scarlett plz?
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Goodbye and don't come back. You did behave like a mad so many times.
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I just hope peope won`t forget the shit he did once he has his comeback in two months or so.
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On March 21 2014 21:32 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 21:30 jarod wrote:
i guess the only team where naniwa can stay cool and not do stuff like this and not lose interest would be a korean team, staying in a korean team house.
I`m somehow sad that he left sc2(e-sport), but i have a feeling that he will be back, a bit sorry that the departure happened like this, he really looked like an ass when left IEM.
Some say that nani is the best foreigner.. i rank him top 5, hard to say who is the best, but i`d say something like Jinro, Stephano, Huk, Nani, Idra Misses Scarlett plz?
Scarllet is awesome and can still be the best, but until now i cannot put her before Jinro or Stephano or Huk or even Idra, these 4 when they were at their best won tournaments or go deep in GSL, what did Scarllet win? (and naniwa beat last year scarllet, and overall showed better results). But hey! this is just my opinion.
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On March 21 2014 21:18 Dracolich70 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 21:06 reapsen wrote:On March 21 2014 21:00 Zax19 wrote:On March 21 2014 19:17 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 21 2014 18:59 Grovbolle wrote:On March 21 2014 18:52 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 21 2014 16:07 DaftFunk wrote:latest post from Johan: On March 21 2014 09:54 Naniwa wrote:everything that happened was extremly silly, to be honest i told my team atleast 5 times that i didnt want to go and that they should make iem get a replacement for me. but my team didnt agree with this and also IEM said that they would highly recommend me to go or there would be consequenses ( this is what my team told me ) i would ofcourse not want to go to waste my time playing a tournament in a game i dont even practice anymore as it was a huge waste of time but as i said i was forced to because of SPONSOR Things, and ironically enough i got kicked out of the team for going there and doing what i did when i didnt even wanna go or play sc2 in the first place funnily enough. but whatever im not sad and i dont really care anymore about that, im sure that if i practice 2 weeks in the future i can make the comeback as the best foreign player at any time if i feel like it. its a bit funny tho that ppl think other people deserve the spot ( Yes i wanted to give it away cuz i didnt wanna play the tour ) but i won it fair and square by going top2 at newyork, if other people wouldve "deserved it" then they could learn to qualify to tournaments by their own skill so what he did was bad, but i dont know if he desrves to be kicked off of alliance/eg. He broke like every rule of the blizzard WCS rules so he should be punished sure. But the "there will be consequences" is : WTF ? The guy wants to quit. And threatened him ? I mean, i really don't like Naniwa. I REALLY DON'T. But this is fucked up to threaten a guy... If you want to fire him. Fire him. The guy said he didn't want to do that job anymore. So you break contract. You don't force him. But Naniwa is bad publicity (like iDra was. Strangly i like iDra) but you deal with it. Maybe alliance wasn't prepared enough to absorb the shitstorm Naniwa could create. Naniwa is a really good player. A bad sportmanship and e-sport representative. But you don't kick a guy after threateing him to do something. This is bad management. But we only have one part of the story... On March 21 2014 18:29 Peqqz wrote:On March 21 2014 18:27 boxerfred wrote:
I wouldn't by any products that Naniwa is doing advertisement for anyways. That was pretty rude. I dont know if this helps this Disscusion Well. I wouldn't buy any products too. This is not Rude (well it kind of is :p :p) but if i don't like something/someone, why would i give them money ? Lol. He was asked to do his job, and he didn't. Of course you tell him to do it, and fire him when he behaves like a spoiled child. But they shouldn't have let him go there. They should have fired him before. Or maybe they didn't have official reasons at that moment. But you know the guy, he's going to do shitty things so you don't send him and you part ways. Safer for your sponsors that way too. That's what i was trying to say. On March 21 2014 19:03 ETisME wrote:On March 21 2014 18:52 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 21 2014 16:07 DaftFunk wrote:latest post from Johan: On March 21 2014 09:54 Naniwa wrote:everything that happened was extremly silly, to be honest i told my team atleast 5 times that i didnt want to go and that they should make iem get a replacement for me. but my team didnt agree with this and also IEM said that they would highly recommend me to go or there would be consequenses ( this is what my team told me ) i would ofcourse not want to go to waste my time playing a tournament in a game i dont even practice anymore as it was a huge waste of time but as i said i was forced to because of SPONSOR Things, and ironically enough i got kicked out of the team for going there and doing what i did when i didnt even wanna go or play sc2 in the first place funnily enough. but whatever im not sad and i dont really care anymore about that, im sure that if i practice 2 weeks in the future i can make the comeback as the best foreign player at any time if i feel like it. its a bit funny tho that ppl think other people deserve the spot ( Yes i wanted to give it away cuz i didnt wanna play the tour ) but i won it fair and square by going top2 at newyork, if other people wouldve "deserved it" then they could learn to qualify to tournaments by their own skill so what he did was bad, but i dont know if he desrves to be kicked off of alliance/eg. He broke like every rule of the blizzard WCS rules so he should be punished sure. But the "there will be consequences" is : WTF ? The guy wants to quit. And threatened him ? I mean, i really don't like Naniwa. I REALLY DON'T. But this is fucked up to threaten a guy... If you want to fire him. Fire him. The guy said he didn't want to do that job anymore. So you break contract. You don't force him. But Naniwa is bad publicity (like iDra was. Strangly i like iDra) but you deal with it. Maybe alliance wasn't prepared enough to absorb the shitstorm Naniwa could create. Naniwa is a really good player. A bad sportmanship and e-sport representative. But you don't kick a guy after threateing him to do something. This is bad management. But we only have one part of the story... On March 21 2014 18:29 Peqqz wrote:On March 21 2014 18:27 boxerfred wrote:
I wouldn't by any products that Naniwa is doing advertisement for anyways. That was pretty rude. I dont know if this helps this Disscusion Well. I wouldn't buy any products too. This is not Rude (well it kind of is :p :p) but if i don't like something/someone, why would i give them money ? You can and you should. If my boss asks me to do something that I don't want to do, I wouldn't make a complete mess of what is asked. There is an acceptable level of performance, using my own example, I don't want to negotiate price with Chinese factory because my Mandarin isn't great, but I certainly would at least make some sort of progress instead of calling the factory and slam.them with a stupid price and expect I will be fine. Well if my boss tells me to do something that i don't want to. If i have reason to not wanting to do it, i'll take to my boss and see what we can do. You're not a soldier and this is not orders. You go to your manager and say something along the lines : " I want to quit, so do not send me there ". " You are obliged to do so because contract ". " So you want me to go, play bad, be mad, lose, and make sponsors not happy with you because of this ?" If you are a good manager you say : "Ok give me your resignation". And parts ways Quoted for the truth If you are a good manager you say: "No, i want you to go, be professional and put your personal feelings aside for the company that paid your living for the last months, when you already slacked around. Give your best one more time, represent yourself, our team and our sponsors in the most dignified way and then go out of scene with a decent ending." Seriously, you make it sound as if asking (or commanding) him to play a last decent bo5 set is some kind of slave work... wtf? Naniwa have a competitive mind. He can't give a good show, if his heart is not in it. He can't do his best, because he hadn't practiced. Anyone who understands Naniwa would never send him there. Anyone asking him to put his personal feelings aside, would basically be asking Naniwa, not to be Naniwa. Naniwa can't. Many can, but he cannot. Because he is a genuine person with a lot of emotions.
This baffles me. There is no way they can threaten him to go to anything, they can say they will kick him if he doesn't but he didn't want to work anymore so that would happen anyway. Again hes shifting blame for his decision on to other people. "They said I would be fired if I didnt go, they threatend me"....
Further you pretend that he then ahd no choice but to act like a dick because of his oh so fragile emotions...
Naniwa has never taken responsibility for his own actions, but every step of the way to the giant fuck up that was the end of his career was by his own making.
First he lies about soundproofing, unless he was the only player there who noticed it, and now he blames his team for "forcing" him to go. Grow up, grow a pair and take responsibility of your own actions.
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I really understand how frustrating it must have been to be forced to go to a tournament you really didnt want to participate in. But still I think it would have than been better to go off in a quiet way by just loosing to Polt instead of doing that sound proofing move.
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