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On March 21 2014 21:40 Scarx wrote:
I really understand how frustrating it must have been to be forced to go to a tournament you really didnt want to participate in. But still I think it would have than been better to go off in a quiet way by just loosing to Polt instead of doing that sound proofing move.
Loosing in a quiet game, just for the sake of "dying slow", so that the community can adapt to it and get the arguments to hate on his skills? I actually think he did the right thing. Naniwa may be arrogant, but he has honor.
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How can you force Naniwa to do anything?
He signed that contract and if he breaches that contract he has to face the consequences he agreed to.
His options are:
A: fullfilling his contract and receive money for it
Or B: breaching the contract and suffer the consequences (whatever is written in his contract he himself agreed to)
He doesnt want to fullfill his contract but he still wants to get paid. It doesnt work like this. Its his choice wether he attends or not.
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I'd like to know Aliance's reasoning behind forcing him to go to the event. They may of been contractually obligated by sponsors. But as it stands I think it makes the organization look pretty bad and I would appreciate a statement from them.
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I just want to say a big thank you to all of the Faniwas coming to his defense. You gave me some good laughs this morning, and you all have bright careers as lawyers ahead of you.
All this sad, lonely, 24 year old wanted was to retire from his painful, dangerous job of playing video games, but he was forced by an evil master to travel--by airplane, mind you--to Poland and stay in a hotel and was forced to play even more video games. How can such horrors still exist in the world? Is there no rule of law? To what depths hath society fallen? Details of the Naniwa relief fund to be released soon.
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I don't think the Alliance brand will stick around in sc2 after SortOf's contract expires. Alex made a good choice experimenting with signing naniwa without risking the EG brand image, but after what happened and how little Alliance really contributes to sc2, there's not much of a reason for it to stick around
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On March 21 2014 22:34 SweKenZo wrote:
Did he just become Naniwas ?
hehe. I like this.
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On March 21 2014 22:40 Sircanis wrote:
I just want to say a big thank you to all of the Faniwas coming to his defense. You gave me some good laughs this morning, and you all have bright careers as lawyers ahead of you.
All this sad, lonely, 24 year old wanted was to retire from his painful, dangerous job of playing video games, but he was forced by an evil master to travel--by airplane, mind you--to Poland and stay in a hotel and was forced to play even more video games. How can such horrors still exist in the world? Is there no rule of law? To what depths hath society fallen? Details of the Naniwa relief fund to be released soon.
Let's be positive and move on. Even Naniwa should do just that! 
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well, i am not interested anymore what this guy does or not.
i am fed up with the drama and the immaturity of his actions. it doesnt matter who has the responsibility for it, i am past the point where i laughed about it. now i am not interested anymore.
this guy wont make it, he has no guts. and i am not even sad about it.
there are millions of people in the world that want just one single chance but they never get it, but they keep fighting for it, some are dying of hunger, war or diseases, some are just poor because they are born in the wrong country.
and this guy keeps throwing chances away, acting like a spoiled brat.
just leave him be, others will take his place and they will be better suited for it.
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he's probably gonna take a shot at playing sth else competitively, most likely lol. but since that game requires you to be part of a team his chances are very slim. i think he'll be back to sc in lotv, unless he finds a 1v1 game that he can make a living out of, tho i don't know of any such game right now.
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On March 21 2014 22:46 Kabras wrote:
he's probably gonna take a shot at playing sth else competitively, most likely lol. but since that game requires you to be part of a team his chances are very slim. i think he'll be back to sc in lotv, unless he finds a 1v1 game that he can make a living out of, tho i don't know of any such game right now.
Indeed, no way this guy can make it into a MOBA.
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im sure that if i practice 2 weeks in the future i can make the comeback as the best foreign player at any time if i feel like it.
Does anyone else feel like he was just kidding when he said this?
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On March 21 2014 22:17 reapsen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 21:51 Dracolich70 wrote:On March 21 2014 21:25 reapsen wrote:On March 21 2014 21:18 Dracolich70 wrote:On March 21 2014 21:06 reapsen wrote:On March 21 2014 21:00 Zax19 wrote:On March 21 2014 19:17 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 21 2014 18:59 Grovbolle wrote:On March 21 2014 18:52 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 21 2014 16:07 DaftFunk wrote:
latest post from Johan:
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so what he did was bad, but i dont know if he desrves to be kicked off of alliance/eg. He broke like every rule of the blizzard WCS rules so he should be punished sure. But the "there will be consequences" is : WTF ? The guy wants to quit. And threatened him ? I mean, i really don't like Naniwa. I REALLY DON'T. But this is fucked up to threaten a guy... If you want to fire him. Fire him. The guy said he didn't want to do that job anymore. So you break contract. You don't force him. But Naniwa is bad publicity (like iDra was. Strangly i like iDra) but you deal with it. Maybe alliance wasn't prepared enough to absorb the shitstorm Naniwa could create. Naniwa is a really good player. A bad sportmanship and e-sport representative. But you don't kick a guy after threateing him to do something. This is bad management. But we only have one part of the story... On March 21 2014 18:29 Peqqz wrote:
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That was pretty rude. I dont know if this helps this Disscusion Well. I wouldn't buy any products too. This is not Rude (well it kind of is :p :p) but if i don't like something/someone, why would i give them money ? Lol. He was asked to do his job, and he didn't. Of course you tell him to do it, and fire him when he behaves like a spoiled child. But they shouldn't have let him go there. They should have fired him before. Or maybe they didn't have official reasons at that moment. But you know the guy, he's going to do shitty things so you don't send him and you part ways. Safer for your sponsors that way too. That's what i was trying to say. On March 21 2014 19:03 ETisME wrote:On March 21 2014 18:52 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 21 2014 16:07 DaftFunk wrote:
latest post from Johan:
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so what he did was bad, but i dont know if he desrves to be kicked off of alliance/eg. He broke like every rule of the blizzard WCS rules so he should be punished sure. But the "there will be consequences" is : WTF ? The guy wants to quit. And threatened him ? I mean, i really don't like Naniwa. I REALLY DON'T. But this is fucked up to threaten a guy... If you want to fire him. Fire him. The guy said he didn't want to do that job anymore. So you break contract. You don't force him. But Naniwa is bad publicity (like iDra was. Strangly i like iDra) but you deal with it. Maybe alliance wasn't prepared enough to absorb the shitstorm Naniwa could create. Naniwa is a really good player. A bad sportmanship and e-sport representative. But you don't kick a guy after threateing him to do something. This is bad management. But we only have one part of the story... On March 21 2014 18:29 Peqqz wrote:
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That was pretty rude. I dont know if this helps this Disscusion Well. I wouldn't buy any products too. This is not Rude (well it kind of is :p :p) but if i don't like something/someone, why would i give them money ? You can and you should. If my boss asks me to do something that I don't want to do, I wouldn't make a complete mess of what is asked. There is an acceptable level of performance, using my own example, I don't want to negotiate price with Chinese factory because my Mandarin isn't great, but I certainly would at least make some sort of progress instead of calling the factory and slam.them with a stupid price and expect I will be fine. Well if my boss tells me to do something that i don't want to. If i have reason to not wanting to do it, i'll take to my boss and see what we can do. You're not a soldier and this is not orders. You go to your manager and say something along the lines : " I want to quit, so do not send me there ". " You are obliged to do so because contract ". " So you want me to go, play bad, be mad, lose, and make sponsors not happy with you because of this ?" If you are a good manager you say : "Ok give me your resignation". And parts ways Quoted for the truth If you are a good manager you say: "No, i want you to go, be professional and put your personal feelings aside for the company that paid your living for the last months, when you already slacked around. Give your best one more time, represent yourself, our team and our sponsors in the most dignified way and then go out of scene with a decent ending." Seriously, you make it sound as if asking (or commanding) him to play a last decent bo5 set is some kind of slave work... wtf? Naniwa have a competitive mind. He can't give a good show, if his heart is not in it. He can't do his best, because he hadn't practiced. Anyone who understands Naniwa would never send him there. No, he does not have a competetive mind. He has a narcissistic mind. He only can give his best, when he feels that he personally can gain anything from the game. A professional competitor will give his best (or atleast be somewhat entertaining) whenever there is at least 1 guy in the audience who paid for watching him perform. If he was narcissistic, rather than competitive, he would care about how he looked, you are going in the opposite direction. Naniwa is the best foreigner because he is perfectionistic, and he is fueled by passion. If the passion is not there, or nothing is at stake, he can't give a good performance, which by Naniwa standards is not just being happy to participate. His stride for being the best, is what got him there, and there are consequences, when he is not there, or this not being understood. It blows my mind that he was in the business for such a long time and still does not understand the necessity of reputation of yourself and the people and companys you represent.
Naniwa is not like everyone else. Which is why he was better than everyone else at what he was doing. If you try to take this out of Naniwa, you have a shell that cannot perform, as he was fueled by passion. He can't be a Thorzain-type of swede, because he is not. Just like IdrA couldn't be someone else. Nor should he have to be. Caring about how you come across, is not what narcissistic entails. In fact it means the direct opposite, you don't care how you come across, because you are already sure that you are awesome. It means that you think you are always in the right, you are something special, etc. look here for more info. Just look at the symptoms, at least 5 out of the 7 can be directly applied. I have to take this subpoint, since you want to go there, being narcissistic and NPD are two different things. One is a symptom which increases every year in numbers, because most youngsters today are taught they are special, when they are not, the internet is full of these people. The other is a mental illness, which often happens to people of great intelligence and skill, but often something in their surroundings(ie upbringing; abuse, blame, bullied, misunderstood) gave them a lot of failures or sense of failure. I would not be surprised if indeed Naniwa had NPD.
Back to your point. If Naniwa was narcissistic, rather than competitive, he would want to be admired, and he would do everything in his might to avoid all those controversies that do surround him, and being slated. I think we all can agree that it doesn't look good. And Naniwa knows that it doesn't, yet it often happens. Even if he didn't the whole world are up in arms to tell him he should feel ashamed - which is not good for the narcisstic mind(nor the NPD one, but it is an illness, that is not really controllable). If he was narcissistic, he would care about a positive public image. He does not. People, like you, want him to(I am not judging you).
That is why he thinks all the failure is never his fault its always others who did him wrong and he can do whatever the hell he wants. When you are being misunderstood, you want to explain yourself. Few wants to understand him. Few can, as it is far removed from most. Also few people can become the best. I do think that the public makes it harder for Naniwa to say sorry, or explain himself, because they would very likely see this as an invitation and being in their right to attack him all the more, and expect him being different. Therefore he does not.
Also "Which is why he was better than everyone else at what he was doing." is just plain wrong, because koreans. Even the "best foreigner thing" is highly debatable imo. Asia have a totally different way of nurturing youngsters, than West. They are taught they are just a cog in the wheel, since very young, should avoid controversies, and have a great work ethic, doing your absolut best at all times. When failing they seek inwards. Naniwa is much in the same way, but is placed in West, where drama is the fuel for most people on the internet. Few have the same desire to succeed as Naniwa, and with few understanding what makes him tick, and how to nurture his psyche is hard to succeed, when bullied for being unique. For Naniwa to come this far, if he has NPD is astounding, especially considering the amount of hate he receives. I do think it fueled him for quite a while to prove people wrong, not by changing personality, but by succeeding. In the end the hate from outside ate him up, and passion to show people diminished.
As time passes, people will miss this uniqueness, in a pond of grey matter, that they wanted Naniwa to be.
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On March 21 2014 22:37 pms wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 21:40 Scarx wrote:
I really understand how frustrating it must have been to be forced to go to a tournament you really didnt want to participate in. But still I think it would have than been better to go off in a quiet way by just loosing to Polt instead of doing that sound proofing move. Loosing in a quiet game, just for the sake of "dying slow", so that the community can adapt to it and get the arguments to hate on his skills? I actually think he did the right thing. Naniwa may be arrogant, but he has honor.
I don't think anyone would hate on him for losing, since people already knew he hadn't been practicing for a month or so. There was no need to make this half-assed attempt to create drama and forfeit after saying some bullshit about soundproofing. Acting like this is not honorable, it's just stupid and childish.
People pay to watch him play (indirectly, by watching ads during tournaments and buying stuff from his sponsors), so if he found himself in a situation where he couldn't avoid going to the tournament despite not wanting to, he could've at least manned up and played the series, for the sake of his fans and the audience in general. Stephano lost in his last series as a full time pro vs Lucifron (iirc), and used the opportunity to say goodbye to his fans and retire in a classy way. Shame Naniwa couldn't do the same.
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On March 21 2014 22:41 DavoS wrote:
I don't think the Alliance brand will stick around in sc2 after SortOf's contract expires. Alex made a good choice experimenting with signing naniwa without risking the EG brand image, but after what happened and how little Alliance really contributes to sc2, there's not much of a reason for it to stick around
Its hard to do anything in sc2 without 2 or so midtoptier koreans these days. The Nani-strophe at IEM may have been even pretty convenient for Alliance.
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On March 21 2014 22:51 IntoTheheart wrote:
im sure that if i practice 2 weeks in the future i can make the comeback as the best foreign player at any time if i feel like it.
Does anyone else feel like he was just kidding when he said this?
Very likely it was a barb aimed at the perceived ineptitude and sloth of the foreign players.
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Sweet espoorts drama. Why did Alliance for Naniwa to go if they knew what bad mood and shape he was in? Forfeiting before the tournament is much better than the ugly scene we got.
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This game would be so much better without his toxic and immature behavior. He has no understanding of neither contract nor professionalism. Get this leech out of our community so we can get back to enjoying eSports without his temper tantrums.
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So many unintelligent comments... I choose this one at random to make fun of, but it's certainly no more deserving than others.
On March 21 2014 17:25 b0rt_ wrote:
Is Nani rich? What is he going to do now? How do you hold a job with an attitude like that? Yeah hi guys, basically im amazing and will turn up when I feel like it, give you abuse and you'll pay me cause you suck if you don't.
Hold a job? He was TRYING to get fired ffs.
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"I can just make a comeback as the best foreigner whenever I want, Im naniwa hurr durr"
Hes so arrogant its unbeleivable. And I love how the pedastal he puts himself on is "the best foreigner". Not saying a whole hell of a lot.
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