Naniwa released from Alliance - Page 14

On March 21 2014 23:02 Aveng3r wrote:
"I can just make a comeback as the best foreigner whenever I want, Im naniwa hurr durr"

Hes so arrogant its unbeleivable. And I love how the pedastal he puts himself on is "the best foreigner". Not saying a whole hell of a lot.

On March 21 2014 22:22 Squat wrote:

"Best" is a very vague and not very useful term. It just encompasses too much. We would be better off differentiating between most skilled and most accomplished. Stephano is the most accomplished, Nani and Scarlett were probably the ones with the highest skill level.

On March 21 2014 23:06 FFW_Rude wrote:


Well he is kind of the best foreigner... Or one of the best if you don't like protoss or just are a fan of other players.
I really hate Naniwa but you can't say he is not the best foreigner.

On March 21 2014 21:44 Odecey wrote:
I feel compelled to put a few things straight here. Firstly, Naniwa did not do anything wrong by forfeiting against Polt. It's completely within each player's rights to forfeit for whatever reason.

The question is whether he did something wrong by retiring before his contract was up. If the contract stipulates that the contractee cannot terminate it himself, then forcing this on Alliancce was wrong. If it did not however, then there is insufficient information to decide whether he was in the wrong on this point. We don't know when/how Naniwa informed his team that he was no longer playing. If he did this when he stopped, the situation at IEM should never have occured: Alliance should merely have released him then, when he expressed he had no intention to keep playing.

Naniwa is completely right when points out that he was not required to transfer his spot at IEM, after it became clear to him that he did not want to compete. Such a decision is up to the event organizer, who determines the criteria for competing, who according to Naniwa were informed that he did not wish to participate. When they pressured him into going, they set themselves up for this to happen.

I also want to address the hate mongering that has surrounded Naniwa ever since he entered the scene: It's pathetic how the community at large have assigned him as a punchingbag because of his demeanor, frankness, and impulsiveness. These personality traits do not give you a licence to bully a person. By doing so, you're starting a vicious cycle where he will respond spontaneusly and emotionally, which will set him up for further abuse. All these comments of "I hate him" "Has he been diagnosed yet?" "What a loser." are frankly cruel, and ironically go way beyond any wrongdoing he may have committed. The willingness of every forumgoer and his dog to jump on every situation he handles suboptimally, with the contempt of someone witnessing a warcrime, is a cyber assault of negativity, and you wonder why he calls this community disgusting? The hypocracy is so ripe you can taste it.

I'm glad he's leaving. He will be better off out of the microscope people have put him under, free to be himself without all this judgement.

This will probably be a good time for me to leave aswell, in the sense that I won't be posting here ever again. Unfortunately, it still seems like the best place to find tournament results, schedules, etc, so I guess I'll still be using that.

Don't ever think this place is above the standards of the internet at large: It's not.

On March 21 2014 23:10 Morphage wrote:


Well "skill" is also quite vague, how do you determine who is the most skilled player? You can look on Aligulac ratings and see that Stephano had the better winrates and peak ratings out of the three. Stephano actually won tournaments, a lot of them, beating Koreans, he really solidified the ling/infestor/ultra style when pretty much all zergs were playing muta/ling, he was crushing Protoss players with his roach maxout timing, he was very consistent during his career, etc...

I agree with you that "best" is a very vague term, but I think that in this situation it's pretty clear that Stephano was the "best" foreigner in SC2. And seriously? Putting Huk, Jinro and Idra in the same "tier" as Stephano, Naniwa and Scarlett is just wrong lol.

On March 21 2014 23:08 Xoronius wrote:

So first you attack him for being "so arrogant its unbelievable" and after that you attack him for admitting, that there are koreans, who are better than himself. You're contradicting yourself. In a one-liner.

On March 21 2014 23:18 Aveng3r wrote:

Thanks for taking the time to point that out to me, Ile be more careful when insulting naniwa in the future

^what are you, just in here to argue with people?

On March 21 2014 23:15 Xoronius wrote:

HuK and Idra won tournaments with koreans in them. Jinro is a two time GSL semi-finalist and MLG Grand Final champion. I think, putting them into the same tier with Stephano and Naniwa (and MaNa and Nerchio and ThorZaIN) is fine. Putting Scarlett in there is wrong though.

On March 21 2014 23:25 Scorch wrote:
Naniwa stopped playing the game while he still had a contract going.
Naniwa was unwilling to fulfill his contractual obligations, so they had to push him to play in the tournament.
Naniwa publicly announced he's quitting SC2.
Naniwa forfeited the tournament, which was a huge affront to the organizers and fans and damaged his own reputation and that of his team and sponsors.

Of course Alliance realeases him. What's there to discuss?