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castleeMg
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Canada791 Posts
March 21 2014 14:04 GMT
#261
good skill.. bad attitude
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
March 21 2014 14:06 GMT
#262
On March 21 2014 23:02 Aveng3r wrote:
"I can just make a comeback as the best foreigner whenever I want, Im naniwa hurr durr"

Hes so arrogant its unbeleivable. And I love how the pedastal he puts himself on is "the best foreigner". Not saying a whole hell of a lot.


Well he is kind of the best foreigner... Or one of the best if you don't like protoss or just are a fan of other players.
I really hate Naniwa but you can't say he is not the best foreigner.

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Aveng3r
Profile Joined February 2012
United States2411 Posts
March 21 2014 14:07 GMT
#263
never denied it
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Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
March 21 2014 14:08 GMT
#264
On March 21 2014 23:02 Aveng3r wrote:
"I can just make a comeback as the best foreigner whenever I want, Im naniwa hurr durr"

Hes so arrogant its unbeleivable. And I love how the pedastal he puts himself on is "the best foreigner". Not saying a whole hell of a lot.

So first you attack him for being "so arrogant its unbelievable" and after that you attack him for admitting, that there are koreans, who are better than himself. You're contradicting yourself. In a one-liner.
Morphage
Profile Joined September 2011
France492 Posts
March 21 2014 14:10 GMT
#265
On March 21 2014 22:22 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2014 21:59 Lonyo wrote:
On March 21 2014 21:35 jarod wrote:
On March 21 2014 21:32 SC2Toastie wrote:
On March 21 2014 21:30 jarod wrote:
i guess the only team where naniwa can stay cool and not do stuff like this and not lose interest would be a korean team, staying in a korean team house.
I`m somehow sad that he left sc2(e-sport), but i have a feeling that he will be back, a bit sorry that the departure happened like this, he really looked like an ass when left IEM.

Some say that nani is the best foreigner.. i rank him top 5, hard to say who is the best, but i`d say something like Jinro, Stephano, Huk, Nani, Idra

Misses Scarlett plz?

Scarllet is awesome and can still be the best, but until now i cannot put her before Jinro or Stephano or Huk or even Idra, these 4 when they were at their best won tournaments or go deep in GSL, what did Scarllet win? (and naniwa beat last year scarllet, and overall showed better results). But hey! this is just my opinion.

Scarlett and Jinro played at very different times.
No disrespect to Jinro, but while he was at the top at the start, he would be nowhere these days. It's like the early days of BW, but compressed. The foreigners who did well succeeded for a while, but really that's because the game wasn't developed at the time.

Scarlett is much more impressive as a player because the game is harder than it was. She may not have the same successes, but that's because the competition is harder in her "era".

"Best" is a very vague and not very useful term. It just encompasses too much. We would be better off differentiating between most skilled and most accomplished. Stephano is the most accomplished, Nani and Scarlett were probably the ones with the highest skill level.


Well "skill" is also quite vague, how do you determine who is the most skilled player? You can look on Aligulac ratings and see that Stephano had the better winrates and peak ratings out of the three. Stephano actually won tournaments, a lot of them, beating Koreans, he really solidified the ling/infestor/ultra style when pretty much all zergs were playing muta/ling, he was crushing Protoss players with his roach maxout timing, he was very consistent during his career, etc...

I agree with you that "best" is a very vague term, but I think that in this situation it's pretty clear that Stephano was the "best" foreigner in SC2. And seriously? Putting Huk, Jinro and Idra in the same "tier" as Stephano, Naniwa and Scarlett is just wrong lol.
Prime Directive
Profile Joined December 2011
United States186 Posts
March 21 2014 14:11 GMT
#266
Ctone23
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States1841 Posts
March 21 2014 14:11 GMT
#267
On March 21 2014 23:06 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2014 23:02 Aveng3r wrote:
"I can just make a comeback as the best foreigner whenever I want, Im naniwa hurr durr"

Hes so arrogant its unbeleivable. And I love how the pedastal he puts himself on is "the best foreigner". Not saying a whole hell of a lot.


Well he is kind of the best foreigner... Or one of the best if you don't like protoss or just are a fan of other players.
I really hate Naniwa but you can't say he is not the best foreigner.




Highly skilled people get fired all the time. You lose interest, don't show up for work, etc, you will get sent to the door.
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Gothic
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden122 Posts
March 21 2014 14:12 GMT
#268
On March 21 2014 21:44 Odecey wrote:
I feel compelled to put a few things straight here. Firstly, Naniwa did not do anything wrong by forfeiting against Polt. It's completely within each player's rights to forfeit for whatever reason.

The question is whether he did something wrong by retiring before his contract was up. If the contract stipulates that the contractee cannot terminate it himself, then forcing this on Alliancce was wrong. If it did not however, then there is insufficient information to decide whether he was in the wrong on this point. We don't know when/how Naniwa informed his team that he was no longer playing. If he did this when he stopped, the situation at IEM should never have occured: Alliance should merely have released him then, when he expressed he had no intention to keep playing.

Naniwa is completely right when points out that he was not required to transfer his spot at IEM, after it became clear to him that he did not want to compete. Such a decision is up to the event organizer, who determines the criteria for competing, who according to Naniwa were informed that he did not wish to participate. When they pressured him into going, they set themselves up for this to happen.

I also want to address the hate mongering that has surrounded Naniwa ever since he entered the scene: It's pathetic how the community at large have assigned him as a punchingbag because of his demeanor, frankness, and impulsiveness. These personality traits do not give you a licence to bully a person. By doing so, you're starting a vicious cycle where he will respond spontaneusly and emotionally, which will set him up for further abuse. All these comments of "I hate him" "Has he been diagnosed yet?" "What a loser." are frankly cruel, and ironically go way beyond any wrongdoing he may have committed. The willingness of every forumgoer and his dog to jump on every situation he handles suboptimally, with the contempt of someone witnessing a warcrime, is a cyber assault of negativity, and you wonder why he calls this community disgusting? The hypocracy is so ripe you can taste it.

I'm glad he's leaving. He will be better off out of the microscope people have put him under, free to be himself without all this judgement.

This will probably be a good time for me to leave aswell, in the sense that I won't be posting here ever again. Unfortunately, it still seems like the best place to find tournament results, schedules, etc, so I guess I'll still be using that.

Don't ever think this place is above the standards of the internet at large: It's not.


Well put. Sadly it will most likely not affect many here, because that would require admitting something uncomfortable. Better to sweep it under the rug and pretend the general mentality here is righteous.
In the age of the internet, attaching a famous name to your personal opinion to give more weight to it is a very valid strategy. - Benjamin Franklin
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-21 14:15:42
March 21 2014 14:12 GMT
#269
I hope to see him return before long. There is no reason to make him into a villain, sure what he did was unprofessional, but he didn't hurt anyone else, only himself. Best of luck Nani!

Edit - Odecey said it well, the other group this impacted was his team and we don't have the information to judge correctly in that situation.
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-21 14:14:54
March 21 2014 14:14 GMT
#270
You know, I really don't mind people lashing out and doing zany shit. That's a part of life we all make mistakes, but if you don't want to learn from them or at least attempt to improve you deserve the shit coming your way. That best personifies our Naniwer.
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
March 21 2014 14:15 GMT
#271
On March 21 2014 23:10 Morphage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2014 22:22 Squat wrote:
"Best" is a very vague and not very useful term. It just encompasses too much. We would be better off differentiating between most skilled and most accomplished. Stephano is the most accomplished, Nani and Scarlett were probably the ones with the highest skill level.


Well "skill" is also quite vague, how do you determine who is the most skilled player? You can look on Aligulac ratings and see that Stephano had the better winrates and peak ratings out of the three. Stephano actually won tournaments, a lot of them, beating Koreans, he really solidified the ling/infestor/ultra style when pretty much all zergs were playing muta/ling, he was crushing Protoss players with his roach maxout timing, he was very consistent during his career, etc...

I agree with you that "best" is a very vague term, but I think that in this situation it's pretty clear that Stephano was the "best" foreigner in SC2. And seriously? Putting Huk, Jinro and Idra in the same "tier" as Stephano, Naniwa and Scarlett is just wrong lol.

HuK and Idra won tournaments with koreans in them. Jinro is a two time GSL semi-finalist and MLG Grand Final champion. I think, putting them into the same tier with Stephano and Naniwa (and MaNa and Nerchio and ThorZaIN) is fine. Putting Scarlett in there is wrong though.
Aveng3r
Profile Joined February 2012
United States2411 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-21 14:19:43
March 21 2014 14:18 GMT
#272
On March 21 2014 23:08 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2014 23:02 Aveng3r wrote:
"I can just make a comeback as the best foreigner whenever I want, Im naniwa hurr durr"

Hes so arrogant its unbeleivable. And I love how the pedastal he puts himself on is "the best foreigner". Not saying a whole hell of a lot.

So first you attack him for being "so arrogant its unbelievable" and after that you attack him for admitting, that there are koreans, who are better than himself. You're contradicting yourself. In a one-liner.

Thanks for taking the time to point that out to me, Ile be more careful when insulting naniwa in the future

^what are you, just in here to argue with people?
I carve marble busts of assassinated world leaders - PM for a quote
Caladan
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany1238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-21 14:25:19
March 21 2014 14:23 GMT
#273
I can both understand a) Naniwa's acting, not wanting to go there, and be upset when he heard the commentators himself and b) the decision of his team as this is very bad representation for Alliance.

It's just a shitty situation, but whatever. This discussion went on for too long. He should do what he likes and then that's good.
And let's be honest: Even when 100% in shape, there is no doubt that even the best foreigner had no shot at the 100k.

Good luck in the future, Naniwa!
Jampackedeon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2053 Posts
March 21 2014 14:24 GMT
#274
Meh, I don't see how he could come back in two weeks of practice but it really is a shame that they would not let him forfeit.

I understand that he earned the spot, I was there and watched him played and cheered for him as loud as anyone. However, you can't simultaneously say that you don't care and then grandstand about how no one else could have qualified... there's always a next in line and in this case the Open Bracket at the tournament itself was probably full of higher quality play than IEM (hell Hyun was right there, playing better than ever!).

So yeah, Naniwa's inflated sense of self is stupid. At least Stephano went out with grace and honesty (he wasn't excited about the game anymore, and other players had gone beyond him), Naniwa is trying to have it both ways by claiming to be the best but not putting out the quality or the time anymore.

Love the memories he has given me, but good riddance to the player he is today.
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
March 21 2014 14:25 GMT
#275
On March 21 2014 23:18 Aveng3r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2014 23:08 Xoronius wrote:
On March 21 2014 23:02 Aveng3r wrote:
"I can just make a comeback as the best foreigner whenever I want, Im naniwa hurr durr"

Hes so arrogant its unbeleivable. And I love how the pedastal he puts himself on is "the best foreigner". Not saying a whole hell of a lot.

So first you attack him for being "so arrogant its unbelievable" and after that you attack him for admitting, that there are koreans, who are better than himself. You're contradicting yourself. In a one-liner.

Thanks for taking the time to point that out to me, Ile be more careful when insulting naniwa in the future

^what are you, just in here to argue with people?

My pleasure.

This is a discussion Forum. Arguing with people is kinda it's purpose. Arguing with people shows them a second perspective and maybe lets them reevaluate their standing point.

The question is: Why are the people in here who just write insults to Naniwa? Because they are not generating anything new.
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
March 21 2014 14:25 GMT
#276
Naniwa stopped playing the game while he still had a contract going.
Naniwa was unwilling to fulfill his contractual obligations, so they had to push him to play in the tournament.
Naniwa publicly announced he's quitting SC2.
Naniwa forfeited the tournament, which was a huge affront to the organizers and fans and damaged his own reputation and that of his team and sponsors.

Of course Alliance realeases him. What's there to discuss?
Morphage
Profile Joined September 2011
France492 Posts
March 21 2014 14:30 GMT
#277
On March 21 2014 23:15 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2014 23:10 Morphage wrote:
On March 21 2014 22:22 Squat wrote:
"Best" is a very vague and not very useful term. It just encompasses too much. We would be better off differentiating between most skilled and most accomplished. Stephano is the most accomplished, Nani and Scarlett were probably the ones with the highest skill level.


Well "skill" is also quite vague, how do you determine who is the most skilled player? You can look on Aligulac ratings and see that Stephano had the better winrates and peak ratings out of the three. Stephano actually won tournaments, a lot of them, beating Koreans, he really solidified the ling/infestor/ultra style when pretty much all zergs were playing muta/ling, he was crushing Protoss players with his roach maxout timing, he was very consistent during his career, etc...

I agree with you that "best" is a very vague term, but I think that in this situation it's pretty clear that Stephano was the "best" foreigner in SC2. And seriously? Putting Huk, Jinro and Idra in the same "tier" as Stephano, Naniwa and Scarlett is just wrong lol.

HuK and Idra won tournaments with koreans in them. Jinro is a two time GSL semi-finalist and MLG Grand Final champion. I think, putting them into the same tier with Stephano and Naniwa (and MaNa and Nerchio and ThorZaIN) is fine. Putting Scarlett in there is wrong though.


Yeah you can say that Huk, Idra, Jinro, Mana, Nerchio and Thorzain were among the best foreigners, but Naniwa and Stephano are a tier above in my opinion. And to be honest I don't think Jinro's achievements have that much weight considering the players who attended the MLG he won. As for his GSL semi finals, sure that's cool, but the game was in it's very early stages and after that he dropped off quite rapidly.
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
March 21 2014 14:32 GMT
#278
On March 21 2014 23:25 Scorch wrote:
Naniwa stopped playing the game while he still had a contract going.
Naniwa was unwilling to fulfill his contractual obligations, so they had to push him to play in the tournament.
Naniwa publicly announced he's quitting SC2.
Naniwa forfeited the tournament, which was a huge affront to the organizers and fans and damaged his own reputation and that of his team and sponsors.

Of course Alliance realeases him. What's there to discuss?
Naniwa and the public. I do not think anyone are frustrated with EG.eus decision to release him from contract.
LiangHao
NiHiLuSsc2
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States50 Posts
March 21 2014 14:37 GMT
#279
saw this one coming
PBJT
riyanme
Profile Joined September 2010
Philippines940 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-21 14:40:32
March 21 2014 14:39 GMT
#280
naniwa is irresponsible and no work ethics...
its not your choice to go or not if your sponsored...
he shouldn't join a sponsored team if he doesn't want to be bossed...
he should learn his place...

i do acknowledge your skills as progammer but you smell the same trash as savior...

as for your sound proof complain, i do strongly agree on you though...
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