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On March 15 2014 11:33 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 11:30 Tobblish wrote:On March 15 2014 11:29 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 15 2014 11:28 Tobblish wrote:On March 15 2014 11:25 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 15 2014 11:24 Tobblish wrote:On March 15 2014 11:21 HerrHorst wrote:On March 15 2014 11:18 Tobblish wrote:On March 15 2014 11:16 ACrow wrote:On March 15 2014 10:59 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:
He's just upset at the state of the game right now (swarm hosts for example), that is the reason. not his fault, and he's not the only one who thinks the game is in a bad place right now Yeah, those Swarm Hosts really ruined his scouted proxy cheese vs T. Last time I checked he played Starcraft 2. Sometimes the glass just overflows. And Starcraft 2 forced him to behave like an asshole? Nerf pls, riot! No passion for the game? Fine, don't play at IEM Blizzard* He was invited because of his performance in a older tournament, totally his right to take the flight and do w/e. Is it a shit move? Yup one could say that. But he still have total right to do what he did. And it entertained you so why are you mad? because it didn't entertain him. and it made him mad? Naniwa totally wasted that spot. Sure he had the "right to do so" but that doesn't make it right. Morally it is wrong but with his 2nd place he qualified fair and square. and no one is arguing that so, hooray for bringing up a pointless point! "Sure he had the "right to do so" but that doesn't make it right" Are you for real now? how does saying he has the right to proxy gateway and then quit after losing one game equal saying he didn't qualify fair and square for the tournament???
Because if you read posts in the quotes thats whats being argued over.
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On March 15 2014 11:33 beesinyoface wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 11:25 ElBlanco wrote:On March 15 2014 11:00 beesinyoface wrote:On March 15 2014 10:50 amiGo_O wrote:
"im glad to be done with this disgusting community for now, lets see how i feel in the future. i dont owe you anything." NaNiwa on his twitter just now ...
this is imho too much, even for weird guy like NaNiwa should know there are some boundaries He's 100% correct though - casters/people act like Nani has something to prove to them and has some obligation. He's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. People give him shit yet ironically enough stop watching tournaments once he's been eliminated because they're already bored. The scene (call it dead if you want, w/e) is slowly losing the players that help make it interesting and bringing people back. As cool as it is to see Koreans play well, they're (for the most part) pretty boring people who don't bring in stream numbers. Hope to see Nani back in the future but I don't blame him if he leaves, who would honestly still want to play given the current situation of the game and how odd the community is? This is a pretty offensive post i think. What makes the Koreans boring people? I think the language barrier makes it harder for them to get their personality across but that doesn't make them boring people. Personally i think there are plenty of interesting Koreans. You don't have to rage quit tournaments and act like a douche in general to be interesting. That's your personal opinion of the game. But if anything the viewership has stabilised and is even on the rise a little bit. The game right now is as good as it ever has been. Not sure what is supposed to be wrong with this community and you certainly haven't elaborated that point. On March 15 2014 11:11 beesinyoface wrote:On March 15 2014 11:07 lichter wrote:On March 15 2014 11:06 Helios.Star wrote:
I havent liked naniwa at times but really thats bullshit. How do events still occur with no soundproofing? How dont tournament organizers understand just how important this is? ReDeYe and Kennigit checked the soundproofing, and none of the other players had any issues (someone tweeted that the players were even laughing about the complaint because it was absurd). It sounds like a fishy situation as per anything related to Nani - he claims Polt could hear the casters as well, but I'm assuming neither Polt nor anyone else came forward and wanted to complain about it. Maybe Nani has it wrong? Who knows. But if they could hear casters and no one wanted to come forward and just act like everything is OK then we have a problem here boys and girls. Yeah except we know that Nani has it wrong. Not one other player has complained and everyone asked at the tournament has said it's not an issue. Every time sound proofing actually is an issue the players complain straight away. Both your posts come off as blindly trying to defend Naniwa when there is no need. Naniwa doesn't owe the community anything and i have no problem with him leaving but his actions at this tournament deserve criticism. Frankly he has all but disappeared from the scene anyway and it has hardly missed him. Good luck to him in his future endeavors. The game is as good as it's ever been? 40k viewers for one of the biggest tourneys of the year? You avin a giggle m8yroo? I'm sure they aren't boring people but it's how the majority come across to people - you don't see any of them having the same kind of story lines/drama/whatever as you do with NA players. Sure some of the attention that the NA players bring is not in a positive light, but it's still better than nothing and if you don't undertsand that point then I guess I'm barking at the wrong tree here.
If what you want out of an esport is players acting like babies and quitting when it gets to hard for them mid-match, then that's your prerogative. Some of us want to watch matches between players who actually want to play the game.
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On March 15 2014 11:36 Tobblish wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 11:33 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 15 2014 11:30 Tobblish wrote:On March 15 2014 11:29 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 15 2014 11:28 Tobblish wrote:On March 15 2014 11:25 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 15 2014 11:24 Tobblish wrote:On March 15 2014 11:21 HerrHorst wrote:On March 15 2014 11:18 Tobblish wrote:On March 15 2014 11:16 ACrow wrote:
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Yeah, those Swarm Hosts really ruined his scouted proxy cheese vs T. Last time I checked he played Starcraft 2. Sometimes the glass just overflows. And Starcraft 2 forced him to behave like an asshole? Nerf pls, riot! No passion for the game? Fine, don't play at IEM Blizzard* He was invited because of his performance in a older tournament, totally his right to take the flight and do w/e. Is it a shit move? Yup one could say that. But he still have total right to do what he did. And it entertained you so why are you mad? because it didn't entertain him. and it made him mad? Naniwa totally wasted that spot. Sure he had the "right to do so" but that doesn't make it right. Morally it is wrong but with his 2nd place he qualified fair and square. and no one is arguing that so, hooray for bringing up a pointless point! "Sure he had the "right to do so" but that doesn't make it right" Are you for real now? how does saying he has the right to proxy gateway and then quit after losing one game equal saying he didn't qualify fair and square for the tournament??? Because if you read posts in the quotes thats whats being argued over.
no its really not. talks about balance and naniwa's complaints on it. Then it was posted that if he doesn't have the passion to play, then don't play. Then you bring up that he qualified fairly and has the right to do whatever.
No one questioned the fairness of his qualification. You are the only one that brought his qualification up...
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On March 15 2014 11:40 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 11:36 Tobblish wrote:On March 15 2014 11:33 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 15 2014 11:30 Tobblish wrote:On March 15 2014 11:29 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 15 2014 11:28 Tobblish wrote:On March 15 2014 11:25 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 15 2014 11:24 Tobblish wrote:On March 15 2014 11:21 HerrHorst wrote:On March 15 2014 11:18 Tobblish wrote:
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Last time I checked he played Starcraft 2.
Sometimes the glass just overflows. And Starcraft 2 forced him to behave like an asshole? Nerf pls, riot! No passion for the game? Fine, don't play at IEM Blizzard* He was invited because of his performance in a older tournament, totally his right to take the flight and do w/e. Is it a shit move? Yup one could say that. But he still have total right to do what he did. And it entertained you so why are you mad? because it didn't entertain him. and it made him mad? Naniwa totally wasted that spot. Sure he had the "right to do so" but that doesn't make it right. Morally it is wrong but with his 2nd place he qualified fair and square. and no one is arguing that so, hooray for bringing up a pointless point! "Sure he had the "right to do so" but that doesn't make it right" Are you for real now? how does saying he has the right to proxy gateway and then quit after losing one game equal saying he didn't qualify fair and square for the tournament??? Because if you read posts in the quotes thats whats being argued over. no its really not. talks about balance and naniwa's complaints on it. Then it was posted that if he doesn't have the passion to play, then don't play. Then you bring up that he qualified fairly and has the right to do whatever. No one questioned the fairness of his qualification. You are the only one that brought his qualification up...
Look at HerrHorst's posts.
"Fine, don't play at IEM"
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On March 15 2014 11:35 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 11:33 beesinyoface wrote:On March 15 2014 11:25 ElBlanco wrote:On March 15 2014 11:00 beesinyoface wrote:On March 15 2014 10:50 amiGo_O wrote:
"im glad to be done with this disgusting community for now, lets see how i feel in the future. i dont owe you anything." NaNiwa on his twitter just now ...
this is imho too much, even for weird guy like NaNiwa should know there are some boundaries He's 100% correct though - casters/people act like Nani has something to prove to them and has some obligation. He's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. People give him shit yet ironically enough stop watching tournaments once he's been eliminated because they're already bored. The scene (call it dead if you want, w/e) is slowly losing the players that help make it interesting and bringing people back. As cool as it is to see Koreans play well, they're (for the most part) pretty boring people who don't bring in stream numbers. Hope to see Nani back in the future but I don't blame him if he leaves, who would honestly still want to play given the current situation of the game and how odd the community is? This is a pretty offensive post i think. What makes the Koreans boring people? I think the language barrier makes it harder for them to get their personality across but that doesn't make them boring people. Personally i think there are plenty of interesting Koreans. You don't have to rage quit tournaments and act like a douche in general to be interesting. That's your personal opinion of the game. But if anything the viewership has stabilised and is even on the rise a little bit. The game right now is as good as it ever has been. Not sure what is supposed to be wrong with this community and you certainly haven't elaborated that point. On March 15 2014 11:11 beesinyoface wrote:On March 15 2014 11:07 lichter wrote:On March 15 2014 11:06 Helios.Star wrote:
I havent liked naniwa at times but really thats bullshit. How do events still occur with no soundproofing? How dont tournament organizers understand just how important this is? ReDeYe and Kennigit checked the soundproofing, and none of the other players had any issues (someone tweeted that the players were even laughing about the complaint because it was absurd). It sounds like a fishy situation as per anything related to Nani - he claims Polt could hear the casters as well, but I'm assuming neither Polt nor anyone else came forward and wanted to complain about it. Maybe Nani has it wrong? Who knows. But if they could hear casters and no one wanted to come forward and just act like everything is OK then we have a problem here boys and girls. Yeah except we know that Nani has it wrong. Not one other player has complained and everyone asked at the tournament has said it's not an issue. Every time sound proofing actually is an issue the players complain straight away. Both your posts come off as blindly trying to defend Naniwa when there is no need. Naniwa doesn't owe the community anything and i have no problem with him leaving but his actions at this tournament deserve criticism. Frankly he has all but disappeared from the scene anyway and it has hardly missed him. Good luck to him in his future endeavors. The game is as good as it's ever been? 40k viewers for one of the biggest tourneys of the year? You avin a giggle m8yroo? I'm sure they aren't boring people but it's how the majority come across to people - you don't see any of them having the same kind of story lines/drama/whatever as you do with NA players. Sure some of the attention that the NA players bring is not in a positive light, but it's still better than nothing and if you don't undertsand that point then I guess I'm barking at the wrong tree here. 40k viewers while it aired at a crappy time for US and it was still a weekday? And thats higher than what IEM usually gets on a Friday? Yeah i think its ok. It will hit over 100k this weekend.
Well it certainly will now...the more controversial something is the more likely people are going to tune in and even if it already is over and done with that event has created controversy.
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On March 15 2014 11:42 Tobblish wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 11:40 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 15 2014 11:36 Tobblish wrote:On March 15 2014 11:33 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 15 2014 11:30 Tobblish wrote:On March 15 2014 11:29 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 15 2014 11:28 Tobblish wrote:On March 15 2014 11:25 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 15 2014 11:24 Tobblish wrote:On March 15 2014 11:21 HerrHorst wrote:
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And Starcraft 2 forced him to behave like an asshole? Nerf pls, riot! No passion for the game? Fine, don't play at IEM
Blizzard* He was invited because of his performance in a older tournament, totally his right to take the flight and do w/e. Is it a shit move? Yup one could say that. But he still have total right to do what he did. And it entertained you so why are you mad? because it didn't entertain him. and it made him mad? Naniwa totally wasted that spot. Sure he had the "right to do so" but that doesn't make it right. Morally it is wrong but with his 2nd place he qualified fair and square. and no one is arguing that so, hooray for bringing up a pointless point! "Sure he had the "right to do so" but that doesn't make it right" Are you for real now? how does saying he has the right to proxy gateway and then quit after losing one game equal saying he didn't qualify fair and square for the tournament??? Because if you read posts in the quotes thats whats being argued over. no its really not. talks about balance and naniwa's complaints on it. Then it was posted that if he doesn't have the passion to play, then don't play. Then you bring up that he qualified fairly and has the right to do whatever. No one questioned the fairness of his qualification. You are the only one that brought his qualification up... Look at HerrHorst's posts. "Fine, don't play at IEM"
That has nothing to do with the fairness of his qualification! Holy shit. He said don't play IEM if you are just gonna show up and cheese and quit after losing the first game. Thats what that means. Not, you didn't qualify fairly! My god.
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On March 15 2014 11:43 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 11:42 Tobblish wrote:On March 15 2014 11:40 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 15 2014 11:36 Tobblish wrote:On March 15 2014 11:33 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 15 2014 11:30 Tobblish wrote:On March 15 2014 11:29 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 15 2014 11:28 Tobblish wrote:On March 15 2014 11:25 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 15 2014 11:24 Tobblish wrote:
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Blizzard*
He was invited because of his performance in a older tournament, totally his right to take the flight and do w/e.
Is it a shit move? Yup one could say that. But he still have total right to do what he did.
And it entertained you so why are you mad? because it didn't entertain him. and it made him mad? Naniwa totally wasted that spot. Sure he had the "right to do so" but that doesn't make it right. Morally it is wrong but with his 2nd place he qualified fair and square. and no one is arguing that so, hooray for bringing up a pointless point! "Sure he had the "right to do so" but that doesn't make it right" Are you for real now? how does saying he has the right to proxy gateway and then quit after losing one game equal saying he didn't qualify fair and square for the tournament??? Because if you read posts in the quotes thats whats being argued over. no its really not. talks about balance and naniwa's complaints on it. Then it was posted that if he doesn't have the passion to play, then don't play. Then you bring up that he qualified fairly and has the right to do whatever. No one questioned the fairness of his qualification. You are the only one that brought his qualification up... Look at HerrHorst's posts. "Fine, don't play at IEM" That has nothing to do with the fairness of his qualification! Holy shit. He said don't play IEM if you are just gonna show up and cheese and quit after losing the first game. Thats what that means. Not, you didn't qualify fairly! My god.
You realize that you are the source of this whole argument right?
By answering my comment that with it is right but it doesn't make it right you started the whole thing that it necessarily didn't mean that he qualified or earned his spot there rightfully so?
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On March 15 2014 11:42 Tobblish wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 11:40 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 15 2014 11:36 Tobblish wrote:On March 15 2014 11:33 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 15 2014 11:30 Tobblish wrote:On March 15 2014 11:29 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 15 2014 11:28 Tobblish wrote:On March 15 2014 11:25 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 15 2014 11:24 Tobblish wrote:On March 15 2014 11:21 HerrHorst wrote:
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And Starcraft 2 forced him to behave like an asshole? Nerf pls, riot! No passion for the game? Fine, don't play at IEM
Blizzard* He was invited because of his performance in a older tournament, totally his right to take the flight and do w/e. Is it a shit move? Yup one could say that. But he still have total right to do what he did. And it entertained you so why are you mad? because it didn't entertain him. and it made him mad? Naniwa totally wasted that spot. Sure he had the "right to do so" but that doesn't make it right. Morally it is wrong but with his 2nd place he qualified fair and square. and no one is arguing that so, hooray for bringing up a pointless point! "Sure he had the "right to do so" but that doesn't make it right" Are you for real now? how does saying he has the right to proxy gateway and then quit after losing one game equal saying he didn't qualify fair and square for the tournament??? Because if you read posts in the quotes thats whats being argued over. no its really not. talks about balance and naniwa's complaints on it. Then it was posted that if he doesn't have the passion to play, then don't play. Then you bring up that he qualified fairly and has the right to do whatever. No one questioned the fairness of his qualification. You are the only one that brought his qualification up... Look at HerrHorst's posts. "Fine, don't play at IEM"
What? I never questioned his right to play the tournament. I just stated that it would be fair/moraly right to forfeit his spot if he never intented to take it serious.
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On March 15 2014 11:45 HerrHorst wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 11:42 Tobblish wrote:On March 15 2014 11:40 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 15 2014 11:36 Tobblish wrote:On March 15 2014 11:33 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 15 2014 11:30 Tobblish wrote:On March 15 2014 11:29 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 15 2014 11:28 Tobblish wrote:On March 15 2014 11:25 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 15 2014 11:24 Tobblish wrote:
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Blizzard*
He was invited because of his performance in a older tournament, totally his right to take the flight and do w/e.
Is it a shit move? Yup one could say that. But he still have total right to do what he did.
And it entertained you so why are you mad? because it didn't entertain him. and it made him mad? Naniwa totally wasted that spot. Sure he had the "right to do so" but that doesn't make it right. Morally it is wrong but with his 2nd place he qualified fair and square. and no one is arguing that so, hooray for bringing up a pointless point! "Sure he had the "right to do so" but that doesn't make it right" Are you for real now? how does saying he has the right to proxy gateway and then quit after losing one game equal saying he didn't qualify fair and square for the tournament??? Because if you read posts in the quotes thats whats being argued over. no its really not. talks about balance and naniwa's complaints on it. Then it was posted that if he doesn't have the passion to play, then don't play. Then you bring up that he qualified fairly and has the right to do whatever. No one questioned the fairness of his qualification. You are the only one that brought his qualification up... Look at HerrHorst's posts. "Fine, don't play at IEM" What? I never questioned his right to play the tournament. I just stated that it would be fair/moraly right to forfeit his spot if he never intented to take it serious.
No now you do.
Theres a big difference with whining at another persons whine and not fully type out what you are meaning.
edit: and im done with this little squabble theres F1 Q that needs my attention.
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On March 15 2014 11:45 Tobblish wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 11:43 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 15 2014 11:42 Tobblish wrote:On March 15 2014 11:40 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 15 2014 11:36 Tobblish wrote:On March 15 2014 11:33 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 15 2014 11:30 Tobblish wrote:On March 15 2014 11:29 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 15 2014 11:28 Tobblish wrote:On March 15 2014 11:25 jmbthirteen wrote:
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because it didn't entertain him. and it made him mad?
Naniwa totally wasted that spot. Sure he had the "right to do so" but that doesn't make it right. Morally it is wrong but with his 2nd place he qualified fair and square. and no one is arguing that so, hooray for bringing up a pointless point! "Sure he had the "right to do so" but that doesn't make it right" Are you for real now? how does saying he has the right to proxy gateway and then quit after losing one game equal saying he didn't qualify fair and square for the tournament??? Because if you read posts in the quotes thats whats being argued over. no its really not. talks about balance and naniwa's complaints on it. Then it was posted that if he doesn't have the passion to play, then don't play. Then you bring up that he qualified fairly and has the right to do whatever. No one questioned the fairness of his qualification. You are the only one that brought his qualification up... Look at HerrHorst's posts. "Fine, don't play at IEM" That has nothing to do with the fairness of his qualification! Holy shit. He said don't play IEM if you are just gonna show up and cheese and quit after losing the first game. Thats what that means. Not, you didn't qualify fairly! My god. You realize that you are the source of this whole argument right? By answering my comment that with it is right but it doesn't make it right you started the whole thing that it necessarily didn't mean that he qualified or earned his spot there rightfully so?
except you are interpreting things that aren't there... I said sure, Naniwa is allowed to do that, but he's an ass for doing it and it wasted the spot. Not once was his qualification even brought up, let alone questioned until you mentioned it... Thats just not part of what I or anyone else said.
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On March 15 2014 11:47 Tobblish wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 11:45 HerrHorst wrote:On March 15 2014 11:42 Tobblish wrote:On March 15 2014 11:40 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 15 2014 11:36 Tobblish wrote:On March 15 2014 11:33 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 15 2014 11:30 Tobblish wrote:On March 15 2014 11:29 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 15 2014 11:28 Tobblish wrote:On March 15 2014 11:25 jmbthirteen wrote:
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because it didn't entertain him. and it made him mad?
Naniwa totally wasted that spot. Sure he had the "right to do so" but that doesn't make it right. Morally it is wrong but with his 2nd place he qualified fair and square. and no one is arguing that so, hooray for bringing up a pointless point! "Sure he had the "right to do so" but that doesn't make it right" Are you for real now? how does saying he has the right to proxy gateway and then quit after losing one game equal saying he didn't qualify fair and square for the tournament??? Because if you read posts in the quotes thats whats being argued over. no its really not. talks about balance and naniwa's complaints on it. Then it was posted that if he doesn't have the passion to play, then don't play. Then you bring up that he qualified fairly and has the right to do whatever. No one questioned the fairness of his qualification. You are the only one that brought his qualification up... Look at HerrHorst's posts. "Fine, don't play at IEM" What? I never questioned his right to play the tournament. I just stated that it would be fair/moraly right to forfeit his spot if he never intented to take it serious. No now you do. Theres a big difference with whining at another persons whine and not fully type out what you are meaning. edit: and im done with this little squabble theres F1 Q that needs my attention.
Nice try. Stop interpreting something into my posts I never intended. But i guess you are here just for the sake of trolling. /ignored
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On March 15 2014 11:33 beesinyoface wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 11:25 ElBlanco wrote:On March 15 2014 11:00 beesinyoface wrote:On March 15 2014 10:50 amiGo_O wrote:
"im glad to be done with this disgusting community for now, lets see how i feel in the future. i dont owe you anything." NaNiwa on his twitter just now ...
this is imho too much, even for weird guy like NaNiwa should know there are some boundaries He's 100% correct though - casters/people act like Nani has something to prove to them and has some obligation. He's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. People give him shit yet ironically enough stop watching tournaments once he's been eliminated because they're already bored. The scene (call it dead if you want, w/e) is slowly losing the players that help make it interesting and bringing people back. As cool as it is to see Koreans play well, they're (for the most part) pretty boring people who don't bring in stream numbers. Hope to see Nani back in the future but I don't blame him if he leaves, who would honestly still want to play given the current situation of the game and how odd the community is? This is a pretty offensive post i think. What makes the Koreans boring people? I think the language barrier makes it harder for them to get their personality across but that doesn't make them boring people. Personally i think there are plenty of interesting Koreans. You don't have to rage quit tournaments and act like a douche in general to be interesting. That's your personal opinion of the game. But if anything the viewership has stabilised and is even on the rise a little bit. The game right now is as good as it ever has been. Not sure what is supposed to be wrong with this community and you certainly haven't elaborated that point. On March 15 2014 11:11 beesinyoface wrote:On March 15 2014 11:07 lichter wrote:On March 15 2014 11:06 Helios.Star wrote:
I havent liked naniwa at times but really thats bullshit. How do events still occur with no soundproofing? How dont tournament organizers understand just how important this is? ReDeYe and Kennigit checked the soundproofing, and none of the other players had any issues (someone tweeted that the players were even laughing about the complaint because it was absurd). It sounds like a fishy situation as per anything related to Nani - he claims Polt could hear the casters as well, but I'm assuming neither Polt nor anyone else came forward and wanted to complain about it. Maybe Nani has it wrong? Who knows. But if they could hear casters and no one wanted to come forward and just act like everything is OK then we have a problem here boys and girls. Yeah except we know that Nani has it wrong. Not one other player has complained and everyone asked at the tournament has said it's not an issue. Every time sound proofing actually is an issue the players complain straight away. Both your posts come off as blindly trying to defend Naniwa when there is no need. Naniwa doesn't owe the community anything and i have no problem with him leaving but his actions at this tournament deserve criticism. Frankly he has all but disappeared from the scene anyway and it has hardly missed him. Good luck to him in his future endeavors. The game is as good as it's ever been? 40k viewers for one of the biggest tourneys of the year? Multiple progamers complaining about the same imbalanced units? The community asking the dev team to try to re-work major components of the game? You avin a giggle m8yroo? I'm sure they aren't boring people but it's how the majority come across to people - you don't see any of them having the same kind of story lines/drama/whatever as you do with NA players. Sure some of the attention that the NA players bring is not in a positive light, but it's still better than nothing and if you don't undertsand that point then I guess I'm barking at the wrong tree here.
First of all when i said the game is as good as it's ever been i was talking about the quality of the matches. As for the viewers what does IEM normally get for its early rounds? Overall viewership has stabilised and is starting to rise a little bit, i clearly wasn't referring to just this tournament.
People have been asking the dev team to rework major parts of the game since before the game even released. How is that supposed to show specifically that the game is worse now than ever?
As to your last point there is a difference between calling them boring people and saying they don't bring in the viewers. Foreigners bring more viewers because everyone wants to see someone besides Koreans do well, not necessarily because they're more interesting people.
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Wait, are we seriously defending 40k total viewers for the years largest tourney at 3PM EST now?
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naniwa is such a legend....hes the reason alot of people still even care for SC2 he was good for the scene.
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On March 15 2014 11:54 beesinyoface wrote:
Wait, are we seriously defending 40k total viewers for the years largest tourney at 3PM EST now?
At least wait for the finals before the usual dead game.
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On March 15 2014 11:54 beesinyoface wrote:
Wait, are we seriously defending 40k total viewers for the years largest tourney at 3PM EST now?
on a friday when its day 2? yeah. Its actually fine.
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On March 15 2014 12:00 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 11:54 beesinyoface wrote:
Wait, are we seriously defending 40k total viewers for the years largest tourney at 3PM EST now? on a friday when its day 2? yeah. Its actually fine.
oh ok good to know it's doing fine 
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On March 15 2014 11:54 beesinyoface wrote:
Wait, are we seriously defending 40k total viewers for the years largest tourney at 3PM EST now?
3PM... you mean in the middle of the work day ? Hmm... Also google "Blizzcon".
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Ok Naniwa might be a whining bitch true, he has been this way at times and this is not new. But to everyone complaining about him having a spot, thinking he cheesed his way into it etc come on! Naniwa has consistently been one of the best foreigners in SC2 and have TONS of legit wins against top koreans, the only one that's had more success against Koreans is Stephano, who can ever dispute this?, claiming otherwise is stupid and only goes to shos your own lack of objectivity. Should he have offered his spot to someone else? Probably yes, but it was his right to try.
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