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Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
March 14 2014 16:33 GMT
#341
On March 15 2014 01:26 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
my post was relative to HotS.

I know. It sucks to be all smug and passive aggressive only to realize you misread the quoted post
Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 14 2014 16:37 GMT
#342
On March 15 2014 01:30 -Archangel- wrote:
I don't understand the point these few DK fanboys are trying to make. Can anyone explain it to me?

The only thing I understood is they are claiming HotS is OK while it is losing viewers and players all the time (which started back in WoL and only stopped at beginning of HotS)... is that it?

Viewers have been consistent for the last 8 month and the players that are retiring are young guys moving on to differ parts of their lives. It's a crowded field for SC2 players. Proleague is going strong and gaining viewers.

So, not dead game. Plenty of people like what they are seeing and playing.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
RampancyTW
Profile Joined August 2010
United States577 Posts
March 14 2014 18:26 GMT
#343
On March 15 2014 01:33 Sapphire.lux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 01:26 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
my post was relative to HotS.

I know. It sucks to be all smug and passive aggressive only to realize you misread the quoted post
So is this your attempt at an apology, or..?

You started the conversation with him, not the other way around. He's been talking about HotS the whole time.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
March 15 2014 00:01 GMT
#344
On March 15 2014 01:30 -Archangel- wrote:
I don't understand the point these few DK fanboys are trying to make. Can anyone explain it to me?

The only thing I understood is they are claiming HotS is OK while it is losing viewers and players all the time (which started back in WoL and only stopped at beginning of HotS)... is that it?


I don't understand the point these few haters are trying to make. Can anyone explain it to me?
WCS, IEM, Proleague all feature great games all the time. SC2 is the best it has ever been. The Starter Edition has brought some more players into the game. SC2 is by far the biggest RTS game out there. Blame a lack of competition on it, but in a free market we explain a lack of competition usually with one of those two theories: the top dog is too dominant for competitors to come up - so SC2 is great. Or the demand for the product is simply low - so it is not SC2's fault that it cannot compete with products of other genres.

Also I cannot follow your point about players/viewers leaving. The numbers seem to be fairly stable for the last years. Which is a pretty good achievement for a buy-to-play-PC-game. Usually those games hang in much shorter than 4years.
SuperYo1000
Profile Joined July 2008
United States880 Posts
March 15 2014 00:44 GMT
#345
stronger team colors would just make it so I dont get bored of the red and blue scheme that we have all played 10,000 times.....Allow this or color choice would be nice of blizzard to do
9-BiT
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1089 Posts
March 15 2014 03:38 GMT
#346
"Are you going to change everything in this game"
"We have spent a considerable time analyzing how each mechanic effects the game"
*2 hours later on TL*
"Wow, he just dodges every question".
kwark_uk: @father_sc learn to play maybe?
HawaiinStyle
Profile Joined May 2013
United States3 Posts
March 15 2014 06:24 GMT
#347
I completely disagree with his reasoning behind why completely new mechanics should be entered into the game. I came into wings of liberty when the game was already figured out. Players had their set strategies and counters and the games were decided by deceiving your opponent and execution, nothing really new. But when heart of the swarm came out and the new units were put in, i felt like i was playing a completely different game. The strategies were new, the counters were new and in some cases unheard of in the past. Everyone was experimenting and their was a sense of mystery in each game, what could work, what can't work, every game was different and most importantly EXCITING. If you guys could find a way to bring that feeling back into sc2 that would be incredible. The communities hunger for results and change will finally be filled, the game will be new and fun to play, and attention would start coming back to sc2. Everyone wins!
Survivor61316
Profile Joined July 2012
United States470 Posts
March 15 2014 07:29 GMT
#348
On March 15 2014 09:01 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 01:30 -Archangel- wrote:
I don't understand the point these few DK fanboys are trying to make. Can anyone explain it to me?

The only thing I understood is they are claiming HotS is OK while it is losing viewers and players all the time (which started back in WoL and only stopped at beginning of HotS)... is that it?


I don't understand the point these few haters are trying to make. Can anyone explain it to me?
WCS, IEM, Proleague all feature great games all the time. SC2 is the best it has ever been. The Starter Edition has brought some more players into the game. SC2 is by far the biggest RTS game out there. Blame a lack of competition on it, but in a free market we explain a lack of competition usually with one of those two theories: the top dog is too dominant for competitors to come up - so SC2 is great. Or the demand for the product is simply low - so it is not SC2's fault that it cannot compete with products of other genres.

Also I cannot follow your point about players/viewers leaving. The numbers seem to be fairly stable for the last years. Which is a pretty good achievement for a buy-to-play-PC-game. Usually those games hang in much shorter than 4years.

Lol yeah 18 pages of fact based complaints equal a "few" haters..get real dude, you're in the minority
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17479 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-15 13:26:14
March 15 2014 13:15 GMT
#349
On March 15 2014 01:33 Sapphire.lux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 01:26 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
my post was relative to HotS.

I know. It sucks to be all smug and passive aggressive only to realize you misread the quoted post


but, it also applies to an expansion relative to the main game as well.
the main game has 10 times as much resources dedicated to it as any expansion.

the same discussion will happen in the management offices about resources and big changes regarding how to approach LotV.
Browder got a promotion so Blizzard is happy with his work on SC2, they are not going to overhaul the game on an expansion.

i'm happy with the game, watching IEM... things look good to me.
playing the game, its still fun for me so i hope Blizzard just follows the guidelines David Kim outlines in the Reddit AMA.

i believe in David Kim more than even Harvey Dent.

i predict LotV will give us changes of the same magnitude or smaller than HotS.

Therefore, if someone is dissatisfied with SC2, i'd recommend they play a different RTS. Hoping and wishing for Blizz to make wholesale changes is absurb because it's not going to happen.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12704 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-15 13:23:48
March 15 2014 13:22 GMT
#350
WRONG THREAD
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17479 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-15 13:32:14
March 15 2014 13:27 GMT
#351
On March 15 2014 22:22 ETisME wrote:
WRONG THREAD


your error does show how exciting today's PvP mirror match at IEM is though.
nice job by David Kim in improving P v P over the years.

"this is not supposed to work" , ToD
but it did work

i believe in David Kim.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12704 Posts
March 15 2014 13:31 GMT
#352
On March 15 2014 22:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 22:22 ETisME wrote:
WRONG THREAD


your error does show how exciting today's PvP mirror match at IEM is though.
nice job by David Kim in improving P v P over the years.

"this is now supposed to work" , ToD
but it did work

i believe in David Kim.

PvP is getting so awesome, I was gonna skip Code S group C but hell, that was even more fun to watch than group B :D
and now the PvP in IEM is getting that level of excitment too!
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3691 Posts
March 15 2014 13:40 GMT
#353
What is SC2's high ground mechanic? There is literally none, there is no difference whether you are shooting up or down. Also he obviously doesn't understand what less clumping is supposed to change. And the fact that they still don't realize that free units are just bad design is also kinda sad.

Atleast they are looking at the carrier for LOTV.
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
March 15 2014 13:59 GMT
#354
I really really hope that "comeback" works in LOTV very differently than now and in WoL, an example in football:
A vs B 1:2 (1:0)
C vs D 1:2 (1:0)

A had a lead by 1:0 and lost with own goal its game.
C had a lead by 1:0, then D does a "catch up" with 2 goals.

In sc2 such "comeback" works to ~80% like A vs B. This is why watching sc2 s mostly frustating and sad, own goal and another own goal...
I have watched wc3, bw, aoe, c&c, there were not many "own goal", much lesser than 20%.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
March 15 2014 14:18 GMT
#355
On March 15 2014 22:15 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 01:33 Sapphire.lux wrote:
On March 15 2014 01:26 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
my post was relative to HotS.

I know. It sucks to be all smug and passive aggressive only to realize you misread the quoted post


but, it also applies to an expansion relative to the main game as well.
the main game has 10 times as much resources dedicated to it as any expansion.

the same discussion will happen in the management offices about resources and big changes regarding how to approach LotV.
Browder got a promotion so Blizzard is happy with his work on SC2, they are not going to overhaul the game on an expansion.

i'm happy with the game, watching IEM... things look good to me.
playing the game, its still fun for me so i hope Blizzard just follows the guidelines David Kim outlines in the Reddit AMA.

i believe in David Kim more than even Harvey Dent.

i predict LotV will give us changes of the same magnitude or smaller than HotS.

Therefore, if someone is dissatisfied with SC2, i'd recommend they play a different RTS. Hoping and wishing for Blizz to make wholesale changes is absurb because it's not going to happen.

Well, Blizzard being happy with the game is a better argument then "they don't want to spit in dustins face". Glad you came around
Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 15 2014 14:23 GMT
#356
On March 15 2014 16:29 Survivor61316 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 09:01 Big J wrote:
On March 15 2014 01:30 -Archangel- wrote:
I don't understand the point these few DK fanboys are trying to make. Can anyone explain it to me?

The only thing I understood is they are claiming HotS is OK while it is losing viewers and players all the time (which started back in WoL and only stopped at beginning of HotS)... is that it?


I don't understand the point these few haters are trying to make. Can anyone explain it to me?
WCS, IEM, Proleague all feature great games all the time. SC2 is the best it has ever been. The Starter Edition has brought some more players into the game. SC2 is by far the biggest RTS game out there. Blame a lack of competition on it, but in a free market we explain a lack of competition usually with one of those two theories: the top dog is too dominant for competitors to come up - so SC2 is great. Or the demand for the product is simply low - so it is not SC2's fault that it cannot compete with products of other genres.

Also I cannot follow your point about players/viewers leaving. The numbers seem to be fairly stable for the last years. Which is a pretty good achievement for a buy-to-play-PC-game. Usually those games hang in much shorter than 4years.

Lol yeah 18 pages of fact based complaints equal a "few" haters..get real dude, you're in the minority

Pro tip for life, number of pages in a thread is not reflective of reality as a whole. Sometimes it is the inverse.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
saddaromma
Profile Joined April 2013
1129 Posts
March 15 2014 14:40 GMT
#357
On March 15 2014 23:23 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 16:29 Survivor61316 wrote:
On March 15 2014 09:01 Big J wrote:
On March 15 2014 01:30 -Archangel- wrote:
I don't understand the point these few DK fanboys are trying to make. Can anyone explain it to me?

The only thing I understood is they are claiming HotS is OK while it is losing viewers and players all the time (which started back in WoL and only stopped at beginning of HotS)... is that it?


I don't understand the point these few haters are trying to make. Can anyone explain it to me?
WCS, IEM, Proleague all feature great games all the time. SC2 is the best it has ever been. The Starter Edition has brought some more players into the game. SC2 is by far the biggest RTS game out there. Blame a lack of competition on it, but in a free market we explain a lack of competition usually with one of those two theories: the top dog is too dominant for competitors to come up - so SC2 is great. Or the demand for the product is simply low - so it is not SC2's fault that it cannot compete with products of other genres.

Also I cannot follow your point about players/viewers leaving. The numbers seem to be fairly stable for the last years. Which is a pretty good achievement for a buy-to-play-PC-game. Usually those games hang in much shorter than 4years.

Lol yeah 18 pages of fact based complaints equal a "few" haters..get real dude, you're in the minority

Pro tip for life, number of pages in a thread is not reflective of reality as a whole. Sometimes it is the inverse.

But that doesn't mean there are 'few' haters.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 15 2014 14:49 GMT
#358
On March 15 2014 23:40 saddaromma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 23:23 Plansix wrote:
On March 15 2014 16:29 Survivor61316 wrote:
On March 15 2014 09:01 Big J wrote:
On March 15 2014 01:30 -Archangel- wrote:
I don't understand the point these few DK fanboys are trying to make. Can anyone explain it to me?

The only thing I understood is they are claiming HotS is OK while it is losing viewers and players all the time (which started back in WoL and only stopped at beginning of HotS)... is that it?


I don't understand the point these few haters are trying to make. Can anyone explain it to me?
WCS, IEM, Proleague all feature great games all the time. SC2 is the best it has ever been. The Starter Edition has brought some more players into the game. SC2 is by far the biggest RTS game out there. Blame a lack of competition on it, but in a free market we explain a lack of competition usually with one of those two theories: the top dog is too dominant for competitors to come up - so SC2 is great. Or the demand for the product is simply low - so it is not SC2's fault that it cannot compete with products of other genres.

Also I cannot follow your point about players/viewers leaving. The numbers seem to be fairly stable for the last years. Which is a pretty good achievement for a buy-to-play-PC-game. Usually those games hang in much shorter than 4years.

Lol yeah 18 pages of fact based complaints equal a "few" haters..get real dude, you're in the minority

Pro tip for life, number of pages in a thread is not reflective of reality as a whole. Sometimes it is the inverse.

But that doesn't mean there are 'few' haters.

Compared to the 40K people watching and enjoying ESL right now. Its a few. The minority even.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
saddaromma
Profile Joined April 2013
1129 Posts
March 15 2014 14:57 GMT
#359
On March 15 2014 23:49 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 23:40 saddaromma wrote:
On March 15 2014 23:23 Plansix wrote:
On March 15 2014 16:29 Survivor61316 wrote:
On March 15 2014 09:01 Big J wrote:
On March 15 2014 01:30 -Archangel- wrote:
I don't understand the point these few DK fanboys are trying to make. Can anyone explain it to me?

The only thing I understood is they are claiming HotS is OK while it is losing viewers and players all the time (which started back in WoL and only stopped at beginning of HotS)... is that it?


I don't understand the point these few haters are trying to make. Can anyone explain it to me?
WCS, IEM, Proleague all feature great games all the time. SC2 is the best it has ever been. The Starter Edition has brought some more players into the game. SC2 is by far the biggest RTS game out there. Blame a lack of competition on it, but in a free market we explain a lack of competition usually with one of those two theories: the top dog is too dominant for competitors to come up - so SC2 is great. Or the demand for the product is simply low - so it is not SC2's fault that it cannot compete with products of other genres.

Also I cannot follow your point about players/viewers leaving. The numbers seem to be fairly stable for the last years. Which is a pretty good achievement for a buy-to-play-PC-game. Usually those games hang in much shorter than 4years.

Lol yeah 18 pages of fact based complaints equal a "few" haters..get real dude, you're in the minority

Pro tip for life, number of pages in a thread is not reflective of reality as a whole. Sometimes it is the inverse.

But that doesn't mean there are 'few' haters.

Compared to the 40K people watching and enjoying ESL right now. Its a few. The minority even.


Thats not an indication. A better way to find out is to check what people say in battle.net, chats, tl and reddit.usually 1 out of 5 posts is positive whereas other posts are negative.Therefore I believe haters are actually the majority.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 15 2014 15:02 GMT
#360
On March 15 2014 23:57 saddaromma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 23:49 Plansix wrote:
On March 15 2014 23:40 saddaromma wrote:
On March 15 2014 23:23 Plansix wrote:
On March 15 2014 16:29 Survivor61316 wrote:
On March 15 2014 09:01 Big J wrote:
On March 15 2014 01:30 -Archangel- wrote:
I don't understand the point these few DK fanboys are trying to make. Can anyone explain it to me?

The only thing I understood is they are claiming HotS is OK while it is losing viewers and players all the time (which started back in WoL and only stopped at beginning of HotS)... is that it?


I don't understand the point these few haters are trying to make. Can anyone explain it to me?
WCS, IEM, Proleague all feature great games all the time. SC2 is the best it has ever been. The Starter Edition has brought some more players into the game. SC2 is by far the biggest RTS game out there. Blame a lack of competition on it, but in a free market we explain a lack of competition usually with one of those two theories: the top dog is too dominant for competitors to come up - so SC2 is great. Or the demand for the product is simply low - so it is not SC2's fault that it cannot compete with products of other genres.

Also I cannot follow your point about players/viewers leaving. The numbers seem to be fairly stable for the last years. Which is a pretty good achievement for a buy-to-play-PC-game. Usually those games hang in much shorter than 4years.

Lol yeah 18 pages of fact based complaints equal a "few" haters..get real dude, you're in the minority

Pro tip for life, number of pages in a thread is not reflective of reality as a whole. Sometimes it is the inverse.

But that doesn't mean there are 'few' haters.

Compared to the 40K people watching and enjoying ESL right now. Its a few. The minority even.


Thats not an indication. A better way to find out is to check what people say in battle.net, chats, tl and reddit.usually 1 out of 5 posts is positive whereas other posts are negative.Therefore I believe haters are actually the majority.

No that's a terrible way, but I can see why you would want to lean that sort of chat to prove your point. People don't actively watch things they dislike.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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