EPTIn addition there will be Americas only qualifiers for pool play spots.
More details and pass sales in early March.
MLG Anaheim open bracket to allow international players
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
In addition there will be Americas only qualifiers for pool play spots. More details and pass sales in early March.
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
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Aeromi
France14461 Posts
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hellokitty[hk]
United States1309 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On February 23 2014 07:09 hellokitty[hk] wrote: Koreans allowed?? indeed | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
calling it now | ||
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Yorkie
United States12612 Posts
 Seriously though they really are going back to the format that was their bread and butter. Nice work! | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
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Heat_023
Canada160 Posts
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blockade
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On February 23 2014 07:12 bo1b wrote: DRG is gonna go through this open bracket, have an unbelievable run through and then lose 4:0 to mkp calling it now oh please yes! lol | ||
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Kyir
United States1047 Posts
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Nachtwind
Germany1130 Posts
On February 23 2014 07:12 bo1b wrote: DRG is gonna go through this open bracket, have an unbelievable run through and then lose 4:0 to mkp calling it now | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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Yorkie
United States12612 Posts
On February 23 2014 08:03 opisska wrote: So let me get this straight: there are very high seeds (to the pool) that are reserved for NA players, while the Koreans will have to go through the open bracket? That simply means one or two days of irrelevant showmatches (the so-called "pool play") into everyone being kicked out by winners of the open bracket. What sense does it make? It's pretty similar to how the 2011/2012 MLGs were run (except with a few Korean invited thrown in) and it allowed for the potential of many exciting foreigner upsets. Yes Koreans will probably still dominate the very top end of the standings but this is a format that has shown success in the past. | ||
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Yorkie
United States12612 Posts
On February 23 2014 07:49 Heat_023 wrote: As long as they don't specifically "encourage" koreans, by paying trips or giving them special seeds and whatnot. I don't mind if those that want to bother to come and compete like the rest do just that. They won't. That was all part of a deal with GSL which gave foreigners GSL invites in return for paid trips/pool seed to Koreans. (which was still a lopsided deal in favor of the Koreans) but now ESF isn't going to do anything like that so no worries | ||
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StreetWise
United States594 Posts
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On February 23 2014 08:03 opisska wrote: So let me get this straight: there are very high seeds (to the pool) that are reserved for NA players, while the Koreans will have to go through the open bracket? That simply means one or two days of irrelevant showmatches (the so-called "pool play") into everyone being kicked out by winners of the open bracket. What sense does it make? The koreans from the open bracket will also land in the pool play, where some NA players will be waiting. So the pool play won't be NA only and stilI relevant I think. It decides the seeding for the Championship bracket. Not 100% sure since the complete format isn't announced, but that's how it was in the past. Just that it was invited koreans waiting instead of qualified NA players. | ||
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Pursuit_
United States1330 Posts
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BEARDiaguz
Australia2362 Posts
Home of the brave, land of the free, etc. | ||
Waxangel
United States33492 Posts
not really the format that would interest me personally, but I can see why other people want more considerations for regional/local players | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
Oh and nice title, I like it  . | ||
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Lorch
Germany3686 Posts
On February 23 2014 08:31 Waxangel wrote: seems like an alright compromise not really the format that would interest me personally, but I can see why other people want more considerations for regional/local players 100% this. I guess I'll try to catch as much of the open bracket as possible/wait for those players to join the camp bracket. | ||
peanuts
United States1225 Posts
Hopefully this encourages teams to pick up more NA talent and develops the NA scene a bit more. Also, wonder if this will mean some more participation from European players? Fewer Korean players means that they might have a good shot at winning. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On February 23 2014 07:12 bo1b wrote: DRG is gonna go through this open bracket, have an unbelievable run through and then lose 4:0 to mkp calling it now Someone get the mkp to mlg reddit donation page going so we can go back to the good old days! I miss those days....and milkis!!  | ||
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ArTiFaKs
United States1229 Posts
On February 23 2014 08:11 StreetWise wrote: Wait, MLG is doing SC2 again with open bracket et al? I just cancelled my auto renewal. If this is the case I guess it might be worth keeping. They've been doing it for about a month and a half now, it was announced at the beginning of 2014 they were picking up sc2 again and having NA, Open Bracket tournaments. Have you been living under a rock!?!?! lol | ||
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KUNGJAH
Sweden53 Posts
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MLG_Adam
United States994 Posts
On February 23 2014 09:20 KUNGJAH wrote: man who would of known this 3 years ago .americans get special seeds into the top pool of the tournament while the best players duke it out in open bracket. remeber to chant USA USA at the event Eh? Gsl players got special seeds too jumping the points system There are arguments to be made on all sides of this situation | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
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Silan
Denmark198 Posts
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StreetWise
United States594 Posts
On February 23 2014 09:09 ArTiFaKs wrote: They've been doing it for about a month and a half now, it was announced at the beginning of 2014 they were picking up sc2 again and having NA, Open Bracket tournaments. Have you been living under a rock!?!?! lol Yeah I kind of stopped following the scene about 6 months ago. The last tournament I watched was put on by MLG. Thanks for the info. I even had no idea they already doing it. | ||
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
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for_the_swarm
United States48 Posts
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KUNGJAH
Sweden53 Posts
On February 23 2014 09:22 MLG_Adam wrote: Eh? Gsl players got special seeds too jumping the points system There are arguments to be made on all sides of this situation i understand why you are doing it this way. i just think its pretty meh. but since you made the gsl remark i assume the people who place high from open bracket will be invited to the next event?? im totally fine with that if thats the case | ||
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lystier
China877 Posts
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Tivu
United States244 Posts
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LockeTazeline
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
On February 23 2014 09:38 LimeNade wrote: Anaheim not for another 3-4 months or so right? June 20-22 | ||
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illidanx
United States973 Posts
On February 23 2014 08:10 Yorkie wrote: They won't. That was all part of a deal with GSL which gave foreigners GSL invites in return for paid trips/pool seed to Koreans. (which was still a lopsided deal in favor of the Koreans) but now ESF isn't going to do anything like that so no worries not like ESF is still around... | ||
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
it allows enough top class koreans to participate in the championship bracket so that the final rounds will show really top class sc2 and the championship itself is legit. and it also guarantees that there are enough local players to cheer for and who can make a name for themselves, so it will probably help grow the local scene. i think european players get the short end of the stick though: they cannot get seeded into pool play, and will have a hard time grabbing one of the rare open bracket spots when there's a lot of koreans in there. but still... good compromise! | ||
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
On February 23 2014 13:56 Black Gun wrote: i think this is a really good compromise, given the difficult, differing interests. it allows enough top class koreans to participate in the championship bracket so that the final rounds will show really top class sc2 and the championship itself is legit. and it also guarantees that there are enough local players to cheer for and who can make a name for themselves, so it will probably help grow the local scene. i think european players get the short end of the stick though: they cannot get seeded into pool play, and will have a hard time grabbing one of the rare open bracket spots when there's a lot of koreans in there. but still... good compromise! Yeah, but Europe has a lot more tournaments for local players | ||
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
On February 23 2014 13:58 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Yeah, but Europe has a lot more tournaments for local players agreed. it wasnt my intention to complain.  | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16107 Posts
Perhaps not, maybe MLG will be smart about who they choose to put on the main stage. | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On February 23 2014 15:39 Baarn wrote: I'm glad MLG decided to pickup sc2 again. Yep, this is awesome. I understand the NA-centric stuff, though I don't like it. I think Wax put up some nice words to describe it - let's see how it plays out! | ||
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
On February 23 2014 16:36 boxerfred wrote: Yep, this is awesome. I understand the NA-centric stuff, though I don't like it. I think Wax put up some nice words to describe it - let's see how it plays out! Pfft, you guys in Europe have plenty of EU centric stuff! Let us have some of our own T_T | ||
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Fuell
Netherlands3111 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On February 23 2014 16:52 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Pfft, you guys in Europe have plenty of EU centric stuff! Let us have some of our own T_T We do? Like what? I mean besides national LANs but do we count those? | ||
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
Presumably Americas means both North and South Americas, and may or may not include semi-permanent residents, e.g. Polt, Select. | ||
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shrewm
Germany38 Posts
but still, glad to see MLG cares about sc2 | ||
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DrPandaPhD
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
On February 23 2014 19:37 Zealously wrote: We do? Like what? I mean besides national LANs but do we count those? yeah idno, people keep bringing this up but i cant remember any events limited to europeans if they mean the local lans, then idno what keeps someone in socal for example to set up a small event for local players... you don't need to wait for someone like MLG to do it for you | ||
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Wazurawashii
Sweden33 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On February 23 2014 20:13 DrPandaPhD wrote: No point in watching when you already know Leenock is going to go through the open bracket and win it all anyway : p Only if he doesn't lose to some random foreign Protoss. I like this, MLG was among the best tournaments for me in 2011, I loved all of the matches played there. I hope we can see more of the "old stuff" coming back. | ||
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nachtkap
Germany195 Posts
That said, my biggest hope is that mlg.tv has vod capability when Anaheim happens. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On February 23 2014 20:21 nkr wrote: yeah idno, people keep bringing this up but i cant remember any events limited to europeans if they mean the local lans, then idno what keeps someone in socal for example to set up a small event for local players... you don't need to wait for someone like MLG to do it for you These LANs actually do exist, and in SoCal to boot (I know it was just an example), but most people don't hear about them it seems... including those in the US. XD | ||
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monsta
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45080 Posts
Well done, MLG | ||
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Abradix1
Netherlands609 Posts
On February 23 2014 19:37 Zealously wrote: We do? Like what? I mean besides national LANs but do we count those? I suppose he means the Dreamhacks. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
Yeah, no Koreans ever set foot there! | ||
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Dontkillme
Korea (South)806 Posts
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
that's why i say that the first day or so in pool play will be irrelevant showmatches, because it will be the americans playing each other. then, the open bracket winners get to beat the shit out of them and go on (possibly with the exception of scarlett and of course polt, should he be allowed to qualify). in effect, it will moreorless the same as one big championship.bracket, only delayed by having to wait for the best koreans to chew through the pool players somewhere in the middle of the graph. | ||
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Ettick
United States2434 Posts
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Maasked
United States567 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
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chatuka
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THat is unless Koreans are kicked out all together. that would be an interesting controversy. | ||
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Lorch
Germany3686 Posts
On February 24 2014 04:08 chatuka wrote: THis is just delaying the inevitable korean standings in this tournament. I wish NA had parity or competent enough players to challenge europe and korea, but so far that is not the case. I don't see this tournament doing that much to change the system. THat is unless Koreans are kicked out all together. that would be an interesting controversy. The last MLG was already the first one in like 6 years that I did not watch/follow as there was no game I cared about, making it NA only would only mean that I wouldn't watch yet another MLG T.T | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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Holytornados
United States1022 Posts
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Jknighty
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Merilwen
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On February 24 2014 08:04 Jknighty wrote: I've been watching MLG tournaments since Halo 3, so glad there's a game back there again that I actually want to watch. Been watching since Halo 2 :o Lockout man, such a sick map! On topic: Personally, I just enjoy a diversity of players and think it's wonderful that in the same tournament you can watch break out home talent and the highest calibre of Korean play under one roof. | ||
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
We will have a new sc2 lan at MLG ? did i miss something ? THATS AWESOME ! | ||
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Gen.Rolly
United States200 Posts
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GohgamX
Canada1096 Posts
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Lorch
Germany3686 Posts
On February 24 2014 21:18 GohgamX wrote: Why does MLG announce these things over twitter? Or did OP choose to link tweet oppose to actual press release? The same reason why they "broke up" with Starcraft over twitter, MLG's PR handling is just pretty shitty. Whoever talked about Lockout, Midship FFA all day baby Can't wait for H2 Anniversary later this year. | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
The absolutely country-limited DH, not those open tournaments like Enders Game 1, Enders Game 2, Shoutcraft, MLG GameOn, Copa America. Yeah Europe has really no reason to complain. | ||
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Thorantham
United States221 Posts
"The background: After taking a close look at the SC2 activity in 2013, we wanted to build something in 2014 that the SC2 community needed and wanted. We all follow the major tournaments in Europe, the team leagues in Korea, and the overarching WCS, but we realized that outside of Shoutcraft America, the Americas have very little in the way of online or offline competition. So we began asking players if they would be interested in Americas-only competition. Not surprisingly, the response was a resounding, unanimous, YES.... ...We really want to work towards creating something that is enjoyable to watch, fun for players, and helps to develop talent within the Americas. ..." We can already watch American players getting spanked by Korean players many weekends of the year. Foreigners in the open bracket are just practice targets for Koreans. Pool play is a show match qualifier for the real bracket. Freed up my weekend. | ||
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giftdgecko
United States2126 Posts
on a side note: I wonder if this will encourage more esports visas for people like Jaedong and MC. Gotta increase that US talent pool somehow | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On February 24 2014 23:55 Thorantham wrote: Foreigners in the open bracket are just practice targets for Koreans. Goswser vs Polt MLG Orlando never 4get | ||
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Bjarne
Germany192 Posts
On February 23 2014 19:37 Zealously wrote: We do? Like what? I mean besides national LANs but do we count those? Sure we have! I could not imagine that this is questionable. As good as every EU Tournament has many EU-Player-Invites and/or Spots for European Players. Even if some of them are online, it provides chances for local talent. And the big ones are offline though... Maybe you take a look at: Asus ROG Group Stage 1 Invites for Asus Noth Con Dreamhack Bucharest Groupe Stage 1 Dreamhack Stockholm Groupe Stage 1 ESL Numericable M-House Cup 3 Fragbite Masters ESET Masters 2013 I like the way MLG is doin it. I´d perfer no American invites but 1 or 2 Open-Bracket Rosters only for Americans and 1 or 2 only for Europeans. But its ok. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On February 24 2014 23:55 Thorantham wrote: Seems contrary to the original post: "The background: After taking a close look at the SC2 activity in 2013, we wanted to build something in 2014 that the SC2 community needed and wanted. We all follow the major tournaments in Europe, the team leagues in Korea, and the overarching WCS, but we realized that outside of Shoutcraft America, the Americas have very little in the way of online or offline competition. So we began asking players if they would be interested in Americas-only competition. Not surprisingly, the response was a resounding, unanimous, YES.... ...We really want to work towards creating something that is enjoyable to watch, fun for players, and helps to develop talent within the Americas. ..." We can already watch American players getting spanked by Korean players many weekends of the year. Foreigners in the open bracket are just practice targets for Koreans. Pool play is a show match qualifier for the real bracket. Freed up my weekend. Frankly I think MLG has realised that this community doesn't support NA talent enough for it to even remotely viable to execute a live NA only event. I don't blame them, it's a fools errand. The numbers speak for themselves on these events. If you want people to actually watch, you need to bring in the big popular players and right now, those are pretty much Koreans with a smattering of the top foreigners. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
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MLG_Adam
United States994 Posts
On February 24 2014 22:05 Lorch wrote: The same reason why they "broke up" with Starcraft over twitter, MLG's PR handling is just pretty shitty. Whoever talked about Lockout, Midship FFA all day baby Can't wait for H2 Anniversary later this year.Maybe because the event is less than 4 months away and we want people to be able to plan potentially expensive travel in advance of us making an official announcement? | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On February 24 2014 23:55 Thorantham wrote: Seems contrary to the original post: "The background: After taking a close look at the SC2 activity in 2013, we wanted to build something in 2014 that the SC2 community needed and wanted. We all follow the major tournaments in Europe, the team leagues in Korea, and the overarching WCS, but we realized that outside of Shoutcraft America, the Americas have very little in the way of online or offline competition. So we began asking players if they would be interested in Americas-only competition. Not surprisingly, the response was a resounding, unanimous, YES.... ...We really want to work towards creating something that is enjoyable to watch, fun for players, and helps to develop talent within the Americas. ..." We can already watch American players getting spanked by Korean players many weekends of the year. Foreigners in the open bracket are just practice targets for Koreans. Pool play is a show match qualifier for the real bracket. Freed up my weekend. Vast difference between having Americas only tournaments, and having every tournament be Americas only. Hell, I'm pretty sure they've hosted 3 in the last month and a half alone. | ||
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Farmer Poopy
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On February 25 2014 06:02 TotalBiscuit wrote: Frankly I think MLG has realised that this community doesn't support NA talent enough for it to even remotely viable to execute a live NA only event. I don't blame them, it's a fools errand. The numbers speak for themselves on these events. If you want people to actually watch, you need to bring in the big popular players and right now, those are pretty much Koreans with a smattering of the top foreigners. "I don't blame them, it's a fools errand" It's not about "the scene not supporting NA talent". Nor is it about EU talent or KR talent, or any region-only based talent. Running a "NA talent" tournament is not not viable because everyone hates americans. Running a "NA talent" is not viable because compared to the competition, "AM talent" degenerates to "diamond/masters" (just like EU). You can hype up AM players as much as you want, they're not gonna be code S level anytime soon. That's the scene, that's how it is. You'd let, instead of Seahawks facing Broncos at Superbowl, send Verysmalltown Bulls vs. Evensmallertown Eagles because the tournament is fucking Alabama only (no offense, dear Alabama residents). Oh yeah, and if noone except Alabama guys watch, you'd say "Oh those who do not watch just don't support Alabama scene, they're a bunch of fuck-ups". I might be overexaggerating, but I hope you just get my point! "If you want people to actually watch, you need to bring in the big popular players and right now, those are pretty much Koreans with a smattering of the top foreigners." HELL YEAH! You got the point! If you do know that already, why the fuck do you wonder about the fact that people are pissed that MLG tries to go NA only, when they managed to run great MLGs with international competititon in the past already? Seriously, you basically always brag about those who do not like your decision, or the decision of the guys you support. If things are not going well with the original plan that was or is supported by you, then of course those guys not enjoying what you do just suck. You're running tournaments your way, and you accept the people that are supporting you and your tournaments. But, if I get your post correctly (reading between the lines), everyone who does not share your opinion and dares to disagree publicly, is just stupid (anyone remembering Genna vs. Take?!) How much hybris can a human being show by basically saying "I don't blame them, it's a fool's errand"? It's like "Ah, you know, you guys are all wrong, you're just being stupid, but hey, you're so stupid, I can't even blame you! I know what's right because I'm the Great TotalBiscuit! Worship me, or stay fools forever!" I just can't stand your posts anymore, seriously. I developed an aversion against the shoutcraft series (which actually is a really great(!!) series!) just because of you, yeah right, the guy who's running it. I don't know what's wrong with your mindset, there's even a saying on the internet: "Oh, he pulled a TotalBiscuit". Just think about that once. Edit: looks like grammar and puncuation partially fell victim to emotions while writing. Still think it's easily readable, so I won't correct it right now. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
[QUOTE]On February 25 2014 08:09 MLG_Adam wrote: [QUOTE]On February 24 2014 22:05 Lorch wrote: [QUOTE]On February 24 2014 21:18 GohgamX wrote: Why does MLG announce these things over twitter? Or did OP choose to link tweet oppose to actual press release?[/QUOTE] The same reason why they "broke up" with Starcraft over twitter, MLG's PR handling is just pretty shitty. Whoever talked about Lockout, Midship FFA all day baby Can't wait for H2 Anniversary later this year.[/QUOTE]Maybe because the event is less than 4 months away and we want people to be able to plan potentially expensive travel in advance of us making an official announcement? [/QUOTE] I must have missed the announcement of twitter being a realiable and solid source for information. #email | ||
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Penguinator
United States837 Posts
On February 25 2014 08:54 boxerfred wrote: I must have missed the announcement of twitter being a realiable and solid source for information. #email What's wrong with using twitter to announce things?... | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On February 25 2014 09:06 Penguinator wrote: What's wrong with using twitter to announce things?... Well, I might just be old fashioned then | ||
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Firestorm
Canada341 Posts
On February 25 2014 06:02 TotalBiscuit wrote: Frankly I think MLG has realised that this community doesn't support NA talent enough for it to even remotely viable to execute a live NA only event. I don't blame them, it's a fools errand. The numbers speak for themselves on these events. If you want people to actually watch, you need to bring in the big popular players and right now, those are pretty much Koreans with a smattering of the top foreigners. Also, the best/popular casters. Let's face it, if Shoutcraft America was hosted by Axeltoss, who is a competent but not universally popular caster, probably half of the people would not have watched. Also, the people who advocated the buzz phrase of "growing the scene" have yet to explain how "growing the scene" equals getting closer to the Koreans. | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On February 25 2014 08:47 boxerfred wrote: "I don't blame them, it's a fools errand" It's not about "the scene not supporting NA talent". Nor is it about EU talent or KR talent, or any region-only based talent. Running a "NA talent" tournament is not not viable because everyone hates americans. Running a "NA talent" is not viable because compared to the competition, "AM talent" degenerates to "diamond/masters" (just like EU). You can hype up AM players as much as you want, they're not gonna be code S level anytime soon. That's the scene, that's how it is. You'd let, instead of Seahawks facing Broncos at Superbowl, send Verysmalltown Bulls vs. Evensmallertown Eagles because the tournament is fucking Alabama only (no offense, dear Alabama residents). Oh yeah, and if noone except Alabama guys watch, you'd say "Oh those who do not watch just don't support Alabama scene, they're a bunch of fuck-ups". I might be overexaggerating, but I hope you just get my point! "If you want people to actually watch, you need to bring in the big popular players and right now, those are pretty much Koreans with a smattering of the top foreigners." HELL YEAH! You got the point! If you do know that already, why the fuck do you wonder about the fact that people are pissed that MLG tries to go NA only, when they managed to run great MLGs with international competititon in the past already? Seriously, you basically always brag about those who do not like your decision, or the decision of the guys you support. If things are not going well with the original plan that was or is supported by you, then of course those guys not enjoying what you do just suck. You're running tournaments your way, and you accept the people that are supporting you and your tournaments. But, if I get your post correctly (reading between the lines), everyone who does not share your opinion and dares to disagree publicly, is just stupid (anyone remembering Genna vs. Take?!) How much hybris can a human being show by basically saying "I don't blame them, it's a fool's errand"? It's like "Ah, you know, you guys are all wrong, you're just being stupid, but hey, you're so stupid, I can't even blame you! I know what's right because I'm the Great TotalBiscuit! Worship me, or stay fools forever!" I just can't stand your posts anymore, seriously. I developed an aversion against the shoutcraft series (which actually is a really great(!!) series!) just because of you, yeah right, the guy who's running it. I don't know what's wrong with your mindset, there's even a saying on the internet: "Oh, he pulled a TotalBiscuit". Just think about that once. Edit: looks like grammar and puncuation partially fell victim to emotions while writing. Still think it's easily readable, so I won't correct it right now. This was quite possibly the stupidest thing I've read this morning. I love how you attack tb by backing up his statement. | ||
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DavoS
United States4605 Posts
On February 25 2014 09:35 bo1b wrote: This was quite possibly the stupidest thing I've read this morning. I love how you attack tb by backing up his statement. Right? I love the bit where he says "everyone hates Americans" and that there's no way Americans will ever be good. I really liked the part about no American ever being Code S level too. I liked the "everyone hates Americans" bit because right away you know this guy is way too caustic to take seriously, and then I like thinking about how back when MLG was mostly foreigners and HuK and IdrA were consistently in Code S. NA lacks a lot of stuff needed to create top level competition, but the biggest among them is the chance for NA players to have a serious chance to succeed in a tournament at home. I completely support what MLG is doing and hope we see more of this in the future | ||
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XDEKSDEEXD
622 Posts
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
can't wait to get me some Dr pepper and just watch the shit out of this tournament | ||
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never_Nal
Costa Rica676 Posts
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KaiserCommander
Mexico290 Posts
On February 23 2014 09:09 ArTiFaKs wrote: They've been doing it for about a month and a half now, it was announced at the beginning of 2014 they were picking up sc2 again and having NA, Open Bracket tournaments. Have you been living under a rock!?!?! lol I actually was. So, why the MLG dropped Starcraft II as game event and when? | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On February 25 2014 11:06 KaiserCommander wrote: I actually was. So, why the MLG dropped Starcraft II as game event and when? because not running sc2 at one event is abandoning the game apparently. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On February 25 2014 08:47 boxerfred wrote: "I don't blame them, it's a fools errand" It's not about "the scene not supporting NA talent". Nor is it about EU talent or KR talent, or any region-only based talent. Running a "NA talent" tournament is not not viable because everyone hates americans. Running a "NA talent" is not viable because compared to the competition, "AM talent" degenerates to "diamond/masters" (just like EU). You can hype up AM players as much as you want, they're not gonna be code S level anytime soon. That's the scene, that's how it is. You'd let, instead of Seahawks facing Broncos at Superbowl, send Verysmalltown Bulls vs. Evensmallertown Eagles because the tournament is fucking Alabama only (no offense, dear Alabama residents). Oh yeah, and if noone except Alabama guys watch, you'd say "Oh those who do not watch just don't support Alabama scene, they're a bunch of fuck-ups". I might be overexaggerating, but I hope you just get my point! "If you want people to actually watch, you need to bring in the big popular players and right now, those are pretty much Koreans with a smattering of the top foreigners." HELL YEAH! You got the point! If you do know that already, why the fuck do you wonder about the fact that people are pissed that MLG tries to go NA only, when they managed to run great MLGs with international competititon in the past already? Seriously, you basically always brag about those who do not like your decision, or the decision of the guys you support. If things are not going well with the original plan that was or is supported by you, then of course those guys not enjoying what you do just suck. You're running tournaments your way, and you accept the people that are supporting you and your tournaments. But, if I get your post correctly (reading between the lines), everyone who does not share your opinion and dares to disagree publicly, is just stupid (anyone remembering Genna vs. Take?!) How much hybris can a human being show by basically saying "I don't blame them, it's a fool's errand"? It's like "Ah, you know, you guys are all wrong, you're just being stupid, but hey, you're so stupid, I can't even blame you! I know what's right because I'm the Great TotalBiscuit! Worship me, or stay fools forever!" I just can't stand your posts anymore, seriously. I developed an aversion against the shoutcraft series (which actually is a really great(!!) series!) just because of you, yeah right, the guy who's running it. I don't know what's wrong with your mindset, there's even a saying on the internet: "Oh, he pulled a TotalBiscuit". Just think about that once. Edit: looks like grammar and puncuation partially fell victim to emotions while writing. Still think it's easily readable, so I won't correct it right now. Good to know I'm still killing esports after all these years. Would definitely be disappointing not to wake up and read this level of crazy. | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On February 25 2014 11:49 TotalBiscuit wrote: Good to know I'm still killing esports after all these years. Would definitely be disappointing not to wake up and read this level of crazy. Be honest do you not chuckle to yourself reading something like that? | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
On February 25 2014 10:31 Yes Im Otto wrote: Just seeing "MLG Anaheim" makes me happy lol...... Not me. GMT -8 | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
Cry me a river I have to wake up at 4 AM to watch anything in Korea and the start of some Dreamhacks/ASUS ROG's | ||
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crimsonlink
United States53 Posts
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KaiserCommander
Mexico290 Posts
On February 25 2014 11:49 TotalBiscuit wrote: Good to know I'm still killing esports after all these years. Would definitely be disappointing not to wake up and read this level of crazy. Mhe... Don't attend Mr. Biscuit, that post does not even got an interesting point of view, still very redundant... | ||
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tili
United States1332 Posts
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On February 25 2014 09:35 bo1b wrote: This was quite possibly the stupidest thing I've read this morning. I love how you attack tb by backing up his statement. After re-reading, it really looks like I gave myself a shot to the face. I re-wrote that post like 5 times and it seems like I lost my point during raging. Gotta excuse for being dumb. | ||
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Thorantham
United States221 Posts
On February 25 2014 06:02 TotalBiscuit wrote: Frankly I think MLG has realised that this community doesn't support NA talent enough for it to even remotely viable to execute a live NA only event. I don't blame them, it's a fools errand. The numbers speak for themselves on these events. If you want people to actually watch, you need to bring in the big popular players and right now, those are pretty much Koreans with a smattering of the top foreigners. What 'numbers' are you referring to? Have there been some detailed TL posts with this type of info on MLG or other events, online or off? | ||
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Thorantham
United States221 Posts
On February 25 2014 08:37 WolfintheSheep wrote: So, I'm assuming that travel expenses would only be allotted for group pool players? That alone is usually a good "Korean filter" (for lack of a better term). We'll still probably see EG, TL, Axiom and Acer Koreans dominating the Open Bracket, but probably not a major influx of Proleague and GSL players. Vast difference between having Americas only tournaments, and having every tournament be Americas only. Hell, I'm pretty sure they've hosted 3 in the last month and a half alone. U mean MLG Americas Only tournaments, which ones? | ||
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Firestorm
Canada341 Posts
On February 25 2014 23:24 Thorantham wrote: What 'numbers' are you referring to? Have there been some detailed TL posts with this type of info on MLG or other events, online or off? His own Shoutcraft America events. | ||
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