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SC2 Balance Changes: Pros' Impressions - Page 9

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Winterhearted
Profile Joined October 2012
Ukraine28 Posts
February 02 2014 17:28 GMT
#161
I wish blizzard to have more adequate and responsible Starcraft 2 balance team.
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-02 17:37:49
February 02 2014 17:31 GMT
#162
Actually, this article gives me an idea how balancing should be done. Blizzard should take feedback only from pro gamers, so nothing new here. The new part is their opinions are published online (just like this article), and if they appear to be biased (which is judged by the community), then their reputation suffers, so they have incentive to be honest.

Obviously, such players should be top level with high reputation because they have something to lose. Otherwise, it may turn into player X is some pro gamer but on the very bottom level but doesn't care too much what others think.
Shebuha
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1335 Posts
February 02 2014 17:31 GMT
#163
On February 03 2014 02:10 ZenithM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2014 01:57 -HuShang- wrote:
On February 03 2014 01:43 TronJovolta wrote:
On February 03 2014 00:46 desRow wrote:
On February 02 2014 23:36 ImperialFist wrote:
On February 02 2014 23:22 KTP_TV wrote:
It's nice to know what a few pro's opinion.

I like the difference between desRow and minigun point of view,
desRow : * crying, don't nerf my race, crying, crying *
minigun : * proposes one of the best way to change PvT *


Desrow despises Terran so that is to be expected.


I don't despise terran. I agree that the mothershipcore vision range is too good but the terran whiners like Avilo who are a mile away from being a tournament player should sit down and play instead of spreading bullshit as much as they can.


And how much tournament winnings have you accumulated? LOL.


It doesn't matter, you don't see desrow whining about everything. Desrow's point was that, if you're not a tournament winning player then you can improve beyond minimal balance limitations whereas at the top level of play that might not actually be possible. Also, pvt is not nearly as imbalanced as people pretend it is.

It's pretty disgusting when after 80% of my ladder wins vs terran the terran will tell me how !@#$ing bull!@#$ and op my race is and how it takes no skill. This is mostly because of mob balance mentality. Players like avilo who whine constantly are just conditioning you to think that he's right. The more terrans that whine about balance the more other terran players start to think that the game is imbalanced.

Maybe protoss is slightly overpowered atm. I certainly think oracle/blink all in nerf would be a good idea but should I have to hear how op and how skill less I am after every game? Certainly not.

I think avilo is a mediocre player and don't read anything of what he writes on TL, yet I'm also of the opinion that playing Protoss is easier than playing Terran at some levels. And I don't say anything to my opponent after a game, but that's beside the point.
No "guru or mob balance mentality" here, please get over yourself.

I also think that Protoss players themselves have a hard time grasping how easy this matchup is really for them. They hear stuff from Terrans like "I have to prepare against a thousand builds and I can't scout!", yet, when they play the matchup, themselves practice only that 1 build that is working for them and they don't see how it could possibly be threatening beyond measure for Terran.
But Protoss Ladder Hero A does Build A, Protoss Ladder Hero B does Build B, and et caetera, until Terrans seemingly meet an infinite amount of random builds that are working really well and can't defend against them all.
Even those of you who are playing "standard" and defensive and not "abusing the race" as they say, you're benefitting from all of those we Terrans had to play before you who did some random all-in which insta-killed us. With the fear of XX all-in planted, Terrans make specific plans and allocate time to defend that all-in or at least scout it and you get away with your very standard build without noticing anything.

From the Terran side however, every build I can think of that would put you on the backfoot gets stopped dead by the all-mighty mothership core, except maybe that one mine drop which sometimes works...

hahahahahaha. What he says is true about balance whine from the majority of opponents. It's gotten so bad that I left NA ladder for KR because I'd rather get a GG than GM league. It's amazing how oblivious people can be to the hate mongering and balance whine produced by their own community, whether it's from a stream chat, the comments on SCreddit, LR threads, or the ladder. "Get over yourself." hahahaha
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
February 02 2014 17:31 GMT
#164
We need more of these for whenever new changes come around.
Moderatorlickypiddy
ssxsilver
Profile Joined June 2007
United States4409 Posts
February 02 2014 17:43 GMT
#165
On February 03 2014 02:31 NovemberstOrm wrote:
We need more of these for whenever new changes come around.

Unfortunately 1/2 this thread devolved into shit talking various players =\. This is why we can't have nice things.
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
February 02 2014 17:47 GMT
#166
As a zerg player I like the time warp change. Kinda indifferent towards the ghost change. The biggest change is obviously the hydra change which I think is a bad idea. As fun as it would be to do crazy ling-hydra aggression while stockpiling a boat load of gas and transitioning into a huge muta ball would be fun, but it would kinda break ZvP or at least make the matchup too one dimensional. I would feel better about some of the alternatives mentioned by TLO
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redviper
Profile Joined May 2010
Pakistan2333 Posts
February 02 2014 17:53 GMT
#167
Damn no one likes the hydra buff. I am so sick of mass muta games. Since the start of HOTS I thought it might be possible to have hydra focused games but always mutas.

Come on blizzard, do something to make hydras usable please.
castleeMg
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Canada759 Posts
February 02 2014 17:54 GMT
#168
lol the hydralisk buff?? really??
AKA: castle[eMg]@USEast/ iCCup
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
February 02 2014 17:57 GMT
#169
The hydra buff is kind of analogous to the oracle speed buff. No one asked for it, no one even thought about it. But here it is.
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AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
February 02 2014 17:58 GMT
#170
I have no idea why they ever let the hydra buff get even CLOSE to being in the game. It was okay when they initially announced it, because that was just them talking about their thoughts on balance, but that getting on the test map is just wasting everyone's time.
"How are you?" "I am fine, because it is not normal to scream in pain."
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
February 02 2014 17:59 GMT
#171
On February 03 2014 02:57 stuchiu wrote:
The hydra buff is kind of analogous to the oracle speed buff. No one asked for it, no one even thought about it. But here it is.


So if protoss got a random buff, then zerg, I guess terran is next. Maybe banshee or viking buff? "To help mech".
iHirO
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1381 Posts
February 02 2014 18:02 GMT
#172
Maybe the Blizzard balance team have been watching a lot of Starbow recently and are feeling nostalgic about hydra openings... this can only mean that the lurker is coming back in the next PTR.
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BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
February 02 2014 18:02 GMT
#173
MMA said what I was thinking basically.
ProgamerAustralian alcohol user follow @iaguzSC2
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
February 02 2014 18:02 GMT
#174
On February 03 2014 02:59 darkness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2014 02:57 stuchiu wrote:
The hydra buff is kind of analogous to the oracle speed buff. No one asked for it, no one even thought about it. But here it is.


So if protoss got a random buff, then zerg, I guess terran is next. Maybe banshee or viking buff? "To help mech".


Time for a bunker buff!
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Quixotic_tv
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Germany130 Posts
February 02 2014 18:03 GMT
#175
Generally buffing hyddras is not a bad thing, hehe.

But only 25 gas? Wow, crushing.

Maybe remove the speed or the range upgrade oder make both upgrades cheaper?
Life always finds a way.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-02 18:08:48
February 02 2014 18:04 GMT
#176
On February 03 2014 02:57 stuchiu wrote:
The hydra buff is kind of analogous to the oracle speed buff. No one asked for it, no one even thought about it. But here it is.


Throughout half of HotS Oracles (amongst others) have been said to be useless additions and that Protoss still cannot harass properly and is still forced into deathballing.

Noone asked for "the speed buff", but I guess that's what happens when people shittalk units for too long. Blizzard will try to buff those units.
Really, blizzard's balance patches just mirror the community's whines in a naive way.
Defenestrator
Profile Joined October 2011
400 Posts
February 02 2014 18:09 GMT
#177
Of all the hydra buffs, they choose this. As TLO said, the reasonable things to even CONSIDER for hydra is +1 armor/+10 HP. These ideas have been around for years, including when hydras were super shitty in WOL, but apparently Blizz doesn't give a shit about those ideas and thinks cutting their limiting resource cost in half is much better instead. WTF.
Ultras and banelings go together like peas and carrots
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
February 02 2014 18:11 GMT
#178
On February 03 2014 03:04 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2014 02:57 stuchiu wrote:
The hydra buff is kind of analogous to the oracle speed buff. No one asked for it, no one even thought about it. But here it is.


Throughout half of HotS Oracles (amongst others) have been said to be useless additions and that Protoss still cannot harass properly and is still forced into deathballing.

Noone asked for "the speed buff", but I guess that's what happens when people shittalk units for too long. Blizzard will try to buff those units.
Really, blizzard's balance patches just mirror the community's whines in a naive way.


Protoss is still deathballing after the patch =O
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
February 02 2014 18:13 GMT
#179
On February 03 2014 03:11 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2014 03:04 Big J wrote:
On February 03 2014 02:57 stuchiu wrote:
The hydra buff is kind of analogous to the oracle speed buff. No one asked for it, no one even thought about it. But here it is.


Throughout half of HotS Oracles (amongst others) have been said to be useless additions and that Protoss still cannot harass properly and is still forced into deathballing.

Noone asked for "the speed buff", but I guess that's what happens when people shittalk units for too long. Blizzard will try to buff those units.
Really, blizzard's balance patches just mirror the community's whines in a naive way.


Protoss is still deathballing after the patch =O


yeah. And Protoss always has and always will. And people will alway whine about it. And blizzard will increase the viability of other playstyles more. And then the community will whine more about Protoss being too unpredictable.
lowercase
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1047 Posts
February 02 2014 18:17 GMT
#180
On February 03 2014 02:28 Winterhearted wrote:
I wish blizzard to have more adequate and responsible Starcraft 2 balance team.


I just wish they balanced more from an intuitive, game-lover's perspective rather than a stats-based system. The problem with stats is that if you're metrics are off you can think the game is balanced when it's not. The community feels the disconnect and gets frustrated. And moreso than just "balance" I think they should rethink keeping some awful mechanics in the game (colossi, medivacs, mules, corruptors, force fields, etc) and just nix them in favour of more nuanced units that might make the game more interesting.

Also, it's 2014 and we don't have drop reconnects? Come on.
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