2013 was a great year for the Twitch streaming community, and many Twitch streamers have dedicated themselves to creating unique content based on Blizzard games. In recognition of their efforts, Blizzard is proud to announce the 2013 Blizzard Stream Awards powered by Twitch. These awards will provide recognition and cash prizes for the best Blizzard content streamers of 2013.
Award nominees will be announced on Thursday, January 30, and award winners will be announced on Friday, February 7, right here on Blizzard’s official community sites and on Blog.Twitch.tv.
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Award Categories: Together Blizzard and Twitch have established 14 unique award categories representing streamers from four Blizzard franchises (Diablo III, Hearthstone, StarCraft II and World of Warcraft). Half of these categories are data-driven (example: Most number of hours streamed for Blizzard titles in 2013) while the other half are qualitative categories that will be voted on by you, the community (example: Favorite community show of 2013).
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The votes just started, and people who happen to be streaming right now and pushing for votes are bound to be ahead. It will even up over the next week.
I don't understand -- why isn't BasetradeTV nominated for favorite community channel when they're far more dedicated and have produced way more content in the past year than Artosis and JP combined? JP has practically declared he's done with Starcraft content, and Artosis can't stay consistent to save his life. Is Blizzard really this oblivious to what the word "community" really means? Or do they just care about giving money to established figureheads and the old guard?
On January 31 2014 10:24 nerpderp wrote: I don't understand -- why isn't BasetradeTV nominated for favorite community channel when they're far more dedicated and have produced way more content in the past year than Artosis and JP combined? JP has practically declared he's done with Starcraft content, and Artosis can't stay consistent to save his life. Is Blizzard really this oblivious to what the word "community" really means? Or do they just care about giving money to established figureheads and the old guard?
established and known will win in most cases if everyone can vote. You might dislike it, but way more would dislike it if Artosis or JP would be missing. It is a popularity contest after all and you could probably read the result from the viewer numbers, if it wasn't for the "who can mobilize their masses better" factor.
On January 31 2014 10:24 nerpderp wrote: I don't understand -- why isn't BasetradeTV nominated for favorite community channel when they're far more dedicated and have produced way more content in the past year than Artosis and JP combined? JP has practically declared he's done with Starcraft content, and Artosis can't stay consistent to save his life. Is Blizzard really this oblivious to what the word "community" really means? Or do they just care about giving money to established figureheads and the old guard?
I second this! They are way more dedicated to producing SC2 content then anyone else on that list to be honest. Show matches, community tournaments, supports local players on NA and even EU. It's blasphemy! aceKait
Hopefully Chanman wins. I don't watch most of the other shows outside of Unfiltered, but there's no denying he puts in as much, if not more, effort than anyone on these lists.
On January 31 2014 11:15 ETisME wrote: Why are people so surprised at destiny getting highest vote? He has always been the viewer magnet
Not even that; he's got the most rabid fans.
The majority of the people on the SC2 poll play more StarCraft than Destiny (who plays more League than SC, afaik), are better than Destiny (i.e. pro-gamers), and have more viewers than Destiny - but they won't win like he will.
On January 31 2014 11:15 ETisME wrote: Why are people so surprised at destiny getting highest vote? He has always been the viewer magnet
Not even that; he's got the most rabid fans.
The majority of the people on the SC2 poll play more StarCraft than Destiny (who plays more League than SC, afaik), are better than Destiny (i.e. pro-gamers), and have more viewers than Destiny - but they won't win like he will.
Its all about speaking your mind. Destiny knows the core elements that constitute an electronic sport and isn't afraid to speak out his mind when one abolishes one aspect.
On January 31 2014 11:15 ETisME wrote: Why are people so surprised at destiny getting highest vote? He has always been the viewer magnet
Not even that; he's got the most rabid fans.
The majority of the people on the SC2 poll play more StarCraft than Destiny (who plays more League than SC, afaik), are better than Destiny (i.e. pro-gamers), and have more viewers than Destiny - but they won't win like he will.
Destiny hasn't played LoL in like 5+ months. He streamed 621 hours of Starcraft 2 in 2013. The only people from that list who streamed significantly more were Catz (1,659 hours) and Dragon (1,873 hours). Everyone else was either a bit higher or a bit lower.
On January 31 2014 11:15 ETisME wrote: Why are people so surprised at destiny getting highest vote? He has always been the viewer magnet
Not even that; he's got the most rabid fans.
The majority of the people on the SC2 poll play more StarCraft than Destiny (who plays more League than SC, afaik), are better than Destiny (i.e. pro-gamers), and have more viewers than Destiny - but they won't win like he will.
You must not look at the live stream side bar much, because he has been playing SC2 again for quite some time now, and he plays a lot, at all hours, with at least 1.5k viewers.
Of course this is a popularity contest (so Hearthstone streamers win right, they have their ten minutes of fame right now), but I still think it's a great way by blizz to pay back to the community builders.
On January 31 2014 17:11 echO [W] wrote: I'm not sure how I feel about this. Is this the best way to spend $45,000 in the scene at the moment?
why not? considering streaming scene is getting bigger and bigger, this will encourage more people to stream and host shows etc. don't forget this isn't just for SC2, this is for heartstone, diablo and WoW as well.
Except for when he played a lot of DotA 2 I have always tuned into CatZ's stream, always entertaining and high quality play. Destiny plays too many other games that has no interest to me.
On January 31 2014 17:11 echO [W] wrote: I'm not sure how I feel about this. Is this the best way to spend $45,000 in the scene at the moment?
45k for all those games combined is not much. I'm pretty sure Kripp alone made them more profit with his 20-25k viewers every day he's playing HS. You know like casual people who are not sure what they want to watch. They open channels tab and browse through most popular channels. Some might like the game enough to download it, some of those may even spend some cash. So yeah, a bit of "reward" to top streamers seems reasonable and nice of Blizzard.
This is a great idea from Blizzard. I don't care if it's a popularity contest. The fact the Blizzard and Twitch put this up is great and show support. 45K$ is a huge pool.
On January 31 2014 18:01 Headnoob wrote: What an incredibly pointless thing to do.
Blizzard in a nutshell i guess.
Pointless indeed. Blizzard should just have thrown a pool party for its management with the 45k... and then live stream it on twitch for the whole community to see.
Some people will always complain, I guess, even when Blizz gives away money and lets the community decide where it goes
oh god... the Destiny fandom is too stronk... and shouldnt Destiny be objected from even being a candidate from the award? seeing how he did switch to League of Legends for quiet a while? If any unholy alliance should be united upon this announcement it should be Dragon's god forsaken alliance... tbh i dont like either of them, let alone having them as candidates for an award. But after all, my opinion doesnt matter, Dragon does deserves the award a bit more for his antics and his shenanigans that he pulls to entertain his audience.
This is a really great idea, it's pretty cool to see them do something like this.
I am however really disappointed Destiny will win the SC2 category. :/ But that's just how it is I guess (Personally I think Grubby's stream is absolutely amazing). Hopefully Jaedong can clinch New Streamer and Day9 might be able to barely overtake Trump still in Most Educational.
I really like this idea. in addition to the money, it's about getting a sense of what the community is like and how the streamers can benefit from this.
I voted for Destiny since I think he provides the best stream. He's really funny and has a transparent/genuine personality which a lot of people like.
On January 31 2014 19:13 tshi wrote: I really like this idea. in addition to the money, it's about getting a sense of what the community is like and how the streamers can benefit from this.
I voted for Destiny since I think he provides the best stream. He's really funny and has a transparent/genuine personality which a lot of people like.
Doesn't Destiny mostly play LoL though? Or did he start playing SC2 again recently? :s
Also, I think it's interesting how he's dominating that particular poll over people who usually have 2, 3 or even 4 times his viewership. Goes to show what a dedicated fanbase can do. ;o
I don't really understand why is everyone freaking out like this. If you watch twitch streams regularly you would realize that those results pretty much reflect the reality. Hearthstone is getting more popular and with a release on ipads its gonna explode. Their 5 minutes of glory is just coming. The game hasnt even been released yet and there are shows and tournaments.
In general I am pretty happy with results altough I cant see them in poll 2 - best community stream. Who is winning there? There are plenty other people who deserve an award but we will see what twitch comes up with.
On January 31 2014 19:21 ujonecro wrote: I don't really understand why is everyone freaking out like this. If you watch twitch streams regularly you would realize that those results pretty much reflect the reality. Hearthstone is getting more popular and with a release on ipads its gonna explode. Their 5 minutes of glory is just coming. The game hasnt even been released yet and there are shows and tournaments.
In general I am pretty happy with results altough I cant see them in poll 2 - best community stream. Who is winning there? There are plenty other people who deserve an award but we will see what twitch comes up with.
This is true, I was just discussing this with a friend yesterday, how top Hearthstone streamers tend to have more viewers on an individual basis than SC2 as a whole unless there's a big LAN / WCS going on. I mean people like Trump and Kripp break 20k viewers fairly often (something that to my knowledge only IdrA and Stephano have managed in SC2, and only once each; feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) and then there's like half a dozen others who are in the 5k-12k range consistently so...
I think what helps Hearthstone is that your top personalities are also top players, so you get entertainment and really good plays/games at the same time. Also it's a "great" game for backseat gaming, where often viewers may see other/better plays (also, chat lethal lol) even at the top level, so there's that.
On January 31 2014 19:21 ujonecro wrote: Their 5 minutes of glory is just coming.
For some reason this sounds a little harsh, almost as if you're implying the game doesn't deserve longevity and popularity. I may just be misinterpreting that. ;s
OK, so now I know why Stephano did stream last night.. rofl
@OT though - I really hope that ChanmanV wins his category.. He is by far the most deserving for community shows
Then maybe Day[9], but only as educational.. IDK about Hearthstone, the only real thing I watch from that is fight-night.. Don't think you could learn much about the game from streams, rofl
IDK - the fact that Destiny and KingKongor are winning is really hurting my soul right now.. o.O
On January 31 2014 19:13 tshi wrote: I really like this idea. in addition to the money, it's about getting a sense of what the community is like and how the streamers can benefit from this.
I voted for Destiny since I think he provides the best stream. He's really funny and has a transparent/genuine personality which a lot of people like.
Doesn't Destiny mostly play LoL though? Or did he start playing SC2 again recently? :s
Also, I think it's interesting how he's dominating that particular poll over people who usually have 2, 3 or even 4 times his viewership. Goes to show what a dedicated fanbase can do. ;o
He hasn't played LoL in months and the only streamers who get more average viewers than him are those who stream for 10 hours or less a month.
On January 31 2014 19:13 tshi wrote: I really like this idea. in addition to the money, it's about getting a sense of what the community is like and how the streamers can benefit from this.
I voted for Destiny since I think he provides the best stream. He's really funny and has a transparent/genuine personality which a lot of people like.
Doesn't Destiny mostly play LoL though? Or did he start playing SC2 again recently? :s
Also, I think it's interesting how he's dominating that particular poll over people who usually have 2, 3 or even 4 times his viewership. Goes to show what a dedicated fanbase can do. ;o
He hasn't played LoL in months and the only streamers who get more average viewers than him are those who stream for 10 hours or less a month.
Really? That's surprising, I thought Grubby, Jaedong and the odd Korean like Polt / Bogus / who have you rarely got below 4-6k :s
On January 31 2014 19:13 tshi wrote: I really like this idea. in addition to the money, it's about getting a sense of what the community is like and how the streamers can benefit from this.
I voted for Destiny since I think he provides the best stream. He's really funny and has a transparent/genuine personality which a lot of people like.
Doesn't Destiny mostly play LoL though? Or did he start playing SC2 again recently? :s
Also, I think it's interesting how he's dominating that particular poll over people who usually have 2, 3 or even 4 times his viewership. Goes to show what a dedicated fanbase can do. ;o
He hasn't played LoL in months and the only streamers who get more average viewers than him are those who stream for 10 hours or less a month.
Really? That's surprising, I thought Grubby, Jaedong and the odd Korean like Polt / Bogus / who have you rarely got below 4-6k :s
On January 31 2014 19:13 tshi wrote: I really like this idea. in addition to the money, it's about getting a sense of what the community is like and how the streamers can benefit from this.
I voted for Destiny since I think he provides the best stream. He's really funny and has a transparent/genuine personality which a lot of people like.
Doesn't Destiny mostly play LoL though? Or did he start playing SC2 again recently? :s
Also, I think it's interesting how he's dominating that particular poll over people who usually have 2, 3 or even 4 times his viewership. Goes to show what a dedicated fanbase can do. ;o
He hasn't played LoL in months and the only streamers who get more average viewers than him are those who stream for 10 hours or less a month.
Really? That's surprising, I thought Grubby, Jaedong and the odd Korean like Polt / Bogus / who have you rarely got below 4-6k :s
On January 31 2014 19:53 tokinho wrote: Poor FORGG not on Twitch. One of the best streaming players definitely worth a mention
You see ForGG - and enter in the channel, have that "takeTV script" thing below if you wanna chat.. And when you do - a bunch of Korean sentences in the chat swow up..
But yah - one thing I really can't understand though - how does Dragon have soooooo much viewers ??
And what I can't understand even more is - why the f*ck would people watch Avilo ??
The world is really upside-down as far as Terran viewership goes..
On January 31 2014 10:14 Penguinator wrote: Trump is beating Day9 for most educational stream? Wtf is this shit?
You do realize that votes like this only measure who has the larger fanbase of rabid followers that actually vote on things like this and not a single vote is done objectively? Not to mention that destiny and his unholy alliance is actually working hard to win this.
On January 31 2014 10:14 Penguinator wrote: Trump is beating Day9 for most educational stream? Wtf is this shit?
You do realize that votes like this only measure who has the larger fanbase of rabid followers that actually vote on things like this and not a single vote is done objectively? Not to mention that destiny and his unholy alliance is actually working hard to win this.
You are very much correct, but Trump beating Day9 has nothing to do with fanbase size, in fact I would have expected quite the opposite to be true if mindless rabid fanboys were that much of a factor, fortunately that was not the case. ^^
On January 31 2014 20:58 Ghanburighan wrote: The real question is, where's HUI? Fifth most viewers during peak time, the most hours streamed (by a lot) with over 2000h in 2013.
A lot of people have never heard of him for some reason, in fact I'd even go so far as to say the only reason he has as much attention as he does outside of Taiwan is because of his insane streamed hours being logged in Conti's monthly lists.
On January 31 2014 21:20 NukeD wrote: Why all the Destiny hate? U jelly of his social skill yes?
You realize you do his fanbase no favors by posting like this, right?
Just saying, whats with all the hate. Leave the guy alone hes alright. People here treat his stream as Jerry Springer show for no reason.
Still reinforcing the stereotype.
What is the stereotype? Im not his fan. I dont watch sc2.
The stereotype is that Destiny caters to trollish and antagonistic people, `fans' who get off attacking (even ddos'ing) other people (including Destiny himself). Furthermore, that his fans are loud and unrefined, unlike the more pleasant and articulate sc2 community members. (On that note, you might want to look into spelling guides.)
On January 31 2014 21:20 NukeD wrote: Why all the Destiny hate? U jelly of his social skill yes?
You realize you do his fanbase no favors by posting like this, right?
Just saying, whats with all the hate. Leave the guy alone hes alright. People here treat his stream as Jerry Springer show for no reason.
Still reinforcing the stereotype.
What is the stereotype? Im not his fan. I dont watch sc2.
The stereotype is that Destiny caters to trollish and antagonistic people, `fans' who get off attacking (even ddos'ing) other people (including Destiny himself). Furthermore, that his fans are loud and unrefined, unlike the more pleasant and articulate sc2 community members. (On that note, you might want to look into spelling guides.)
I say Basil, give the young ruffian what he deserves. Good show! Why, I myself might box his ears if the need arises. Hear, hear! Fancy a drop of port and a game of bridge in the drawing room my good man?
Good to see Destiny leading in the votes. He's incredibly dedicated when it comes to streaming, mostly entertaining and one of the most open, honest and intelligent community personalities we have.
On January 31 2014 21:20 NukeD wrote: Why all the Destiny hate? U jelly of his social skill yes?
You realize you do his fanbase no favors by posting like this, right?
Just saying, whats with all the hate. Leave the guy alone hes alright. People here treat his stream as Jerry Springer show for no reason.
Still reinforcing the stereotype.
What is the stereotype? Im not his fan. I dont watch sc2.
The stereotype is that Destiny caters to trollish and antagonistic people, `fans' who get off attacking (even ddos'ing) other people (including Destiny himself). Furthermore, that his fans are loud and unrefined, unlike the more pleasant and articulate sc2 community members. (On that note, you might want to look into spelling guides.)
In my opinion, generalizing a players fan base like that is on the same level of what you accuse his stream viewers of doing. This is the industry of video games, is it not? You should reasonably expect trolling, ddos, etc., within most popular streams. Destiny and his website offer fans a chance to let off steam in a less-strictly moderated chat. I wish people would not be so obtuse on the situation. I can't tell if it is jealousy, or if people are still mad for past events.
On January 31 2014 21:20 NukeD wrote: Why all the Destiny hate? U jelly of his social skill yes?
You realize you do his fanbase no favors by posting like this, right?
Just saying, whats with all the hate. Leave the guy alone hes alright. People here treat his stream as Jerry Springer show for no reason.
Still reinforcing the stereotype.
What is the stereotype? Im not his fan. I dont watch sc2.
The stereotype is that Destiny caters to trollish and antagonistic people, `fans' who get off attacking (even ddos'ing) other people (including Destiny himself). Furthermore, that his fans are loud and unrefined, unlike the more pleasant and articulate sc2 community members. (On that note, you might want to look into spelling guides.)
Just from reading that you seem to fit the stereotype of an elitist little prig who has an overwhelming superiority complex when it comes to “your expert knowledge on SC2 streamers”. Whoop-de-fucking-shit. Also I find it hilarious that you’d stoop to the lowest form for internet douchebagery and attempt to tarnish someone because they misspelt a word. If you are going to do that (probably because your arguments are baseless and you need as much misdirection as possible) you may want to think about drastically improving your grammar my dear. One would think English isn't your first language
I don’t watch Destiny’s stream that often (this is valid for SC2 in general, I've enjoyed watching a lot more Hearthstone as of late) but when I do it’s highly enjoyable. It’s quite refreshing to watch someone playing videogames who doesn’t have to bask in the “nerdy awkwardness” in order to fit some weird archetype everyone has about the ‘progamer’ scene. I also love that his humour is dryer than the sun, perhaps the only other personality that comes close to him is Incontrol. All those qualities also make him great guests on Skype talk shows and he always sets up a great talking point. Very refreshing as opposed to most guests who just sit there with the look in their eyes that says they can’t wait for the show to be over so they can go back to being alone in a room (nothing necessarily bad with that, some people are introverts, they just don’t make good guests on shows that focus on a debate).
You mention how his fans are a blight on the scene, I’m sure he does attract his fair share of weirdo’s. Not really his fault, every major personally has them, don’t get me started on the Totalbiscuit “fanbois” or the DeMuslim Zealots who take any and every opportunity to go over to Idra’s stream and tell him what a terrible person he is. Or the trolls who snipe Trump just so they can play a Paladin and spam “well met” over and over (was a little funny first two or three times, the next 50 or so it loses its charm).
The big sense of irony here is that in this quote stream there are two people who instantly rip on a guy and talk about the “stereotypes” of his fans when it turns out he’s not even involved with any of it (yes, totally possible that he is a troll, the point still stands that you both had a premeditated image that every fan of Destiny is the same).
When you talk about "more pleasant and articulate sc2 community members" I bet you see yourself as a fan of those more 'proper' and 'refined' people and are therefore a better type of 'sort'. In my country there are thousands of people who claim that Big Brother is a blight on modern media and should be taken off the air. They then talk for hours about the last episode of The Apprentice. It's the same fucking show, just marketed for a different sort of people. At the end of the day we're still two people who get their kicks from sitting down and watching someone else play a videogame. I'll let you in on a little secret, you're nothing special, you're still just a guy sat behind a computer.
On January 31 2014 23:13 MasterOfPuppets wrote: ^ TotalBiscuit has made it clear on numerous occasions that he despises his fanbois and fanbois in general so...
That's my entire point, it's not his fault that a bunch of arsepundits latch onto his fandom and do act like morons under some misconstrued guise of 'defending' him. Same goes for Destiny, and every other major personality.
On January 31 2014 21:20 NukeD wrote: Why all the Destiny hate? U jelly of his social skill yes?
You realize you do his fanbase no favors by posting like this, right?
Just saying, whats with all the hate. Leave the guy alone hes alright. People here treat his stream as Jerry Springer show for no reason.
Still reinforcing the stereotype.
What is the stereotype? Im not his fan. I dont watch sc2.
The stereotype is that Destiny caters to trollish and antagonistic people, `fans' who get off attacking (even ddos'ing) other people (including Destiny himself). Furthermore, that his fans are loud and unrefined, unlike the more pleasant and articulate sc2 community members. (On that note, you might want to look into spelling guides.)
Just from reading that you seem to fit the stereotype of an elitist little prig who has an overwhelming superiority complex when it comes to “your expert knowledge on SC2 streamers”. Whoop-de-fucking-shit. Also I find it hilarious that you’d stoop to the lowest form for internet douchebagery and attempt to tarnish someone because they misspelt a word. If you are going to do that (probably because your arguments are baseless and you need as much misdirection as possible) you may want to think about drastically improving your grammar my dear. One would think English isn't your first language
If he indeed is an elitist little prig (a lot to assume from a few phrases), isn't it ironic you actually sat down and spent time on writing a 5 paragraph post on why he's wrong? :D
On January 31 2014 23:32 tomastaz wrote: Why is Trump ahead and not Day 9? You can't get a more educational stream! Y'all heartstone players delusional
Surely you jest?
But if not, then here: Trump is one of the best players in Hearthstone, and when he streams he always analyses all his moves and possible options and their outcomes, explaining his thought process all the while to the viewers. He also answers chat questions every once in a while, especially those that ask for advice.
Not only is it an educational stream, but the viewers are educated by someone who is actually a top player.
The game's popularity certainly contributes a little bit to it, sure, but it's hard to deny his stream's usefulness.
Also, I have nothing with the guy, but there's a lot of people in this community, mostly lower levels, who seem to think Day9 is some pro god guru of StarCraft who has 10 accounts in GM or something and the knowledge of 50 Artosis, which is simply not true. He's a cool guy, he's a smart guy, he's on the analytical side for sure, but for god's sake get a grip.
On January 31 2014 23:13 MasterOfPuppets wrote: ^ TotalBiscuit has made it clear on numerous occasions that he despises his fanbois and fanbois in general so...
That's my entire point, it's not his fault that a bunch of arsepundits latch onto his fandom and do act like morons under some misconstrued guise of 'defending' him. Same goes for Destiny, and every other major personality.
It's hard to compare someone who endorses and sometimes uses his fanbase with someone who proactively speaks out against fanboism and the stupidity of it, and never seeks to reap benefit from it even when he could (see all kinds of dumb internet drama) was my point. You make a fair one too, that some people just seem to attract stupid fans and there's little they can do about it, but let's be honest Destiny is the one who makes his place a breeding ground for those kinds of tryhard "trolly" edgy redditor kiddies who want to be a part of something.
Anyway this discussion serves little purpose and is most likely off-topic.
On January 31 2014 21:20 NukeD wrote: Why all the Destiny hate? U jelly of his social skill yes?
You realize you do his fanbase no favors by posting like this, right?
Just saying, whats with all the hate. Leave the guy alone hes alright. People here treat his stream as Jerry Springer show for no reason.
Still reinforcing the stereotype.
What is the stereotype? Im not his fan. I dont watch sc2.
The stereotype is that Destiny caters to trollish and antagonistic people, `fans' who get off attacking (even ddos'ing) other people (including Destiny himself). Furthermore, that his fans are loud and unrefined, unlike the more pleasant and articulate sc2 community members. (On that note, you might want to look into spelling guides.)
Just from reading that you seem to fit the stereotype of an elitist little prig who has an overwhelming superiority complex when it comes to “your expert knowledge on SC2 streamers”. Whoop-de-fucking-shit. Also I find it hilarious that you’d stoop to the lowest form for internet douchebagery and attempt to tarnish someone because they misspelt a word. If you are going to do that (probably because your arguments are baseless and you need as much misdirection as possible) you may want to think about drastically improving your grammar my dear. One would think English isn't your first language
If he indeed is an elitist little prig (a lot to assume from a few phrases), isn't it ironic you actually sat down and spent time on writing a 5 paragraph post on why he's wrong? :D
On January 31 2014 23:32 tomastaz wrote: Why is Trump ahead and not Day 9? You can't get a more educational stream! Y'all heartstone players delusional
Surely you jest?
But if not, then here: Trump is one of the best players in Hearthstone, and when he streams he always analyses all his moves and possible options and their outcomes, explaining his thought process all the while to the viewers. He also answers chat questions every once in a while, especially those that ask for advice.
Not only is it an educational stream, but the viewers are educated by someone who is actually a top player.
The game's popularity certainly contributes a little bit to it, sure, but it's hard to deny his stream's usefulness.
Also, I have nothing with the guy, but there's a lot of people in this community, mostly lower levels, who seem to think Day9 is some pro god guru of StarCraft who has 10 accounts in GM or something and the knowledge of 50 Artosis, which is simply not true. He's a cool guy, he's a smart guy, he's on the analytical side for sure, but for god's sake get a grip.
On January 31 2014 23:13 MasterOfPuppets wrote: ^ TotalBiscuit has made it clear on numerous occasions that he despises his fanbois and fanbois in general so...
That's my entire point, it's not his fault that a bunch of arsepundits latch onto his fandom and do act like morons under some misconstrued guise of 'defending' him. Same goes for Destiny, and every other major personality.
It's hard to compare someone who endorses and sometimes uses his fanbase with someone who proactively speaks out against fanboism and the stupidity of it, and never seeks to reap benefit from it even when he could (see all kinds of dumb internet drama) was my point. You make a fair one too, that some people just seem to attract stupid fans and there's little they can do about it, but let's be honest Destiny is the one who makes his place a breeding ground for those kinds of tryhard "trolly" edgy redditor kiddies who want to be a part of something.
Anyway this discussion serves little purpose and is most likely off-topic.
It would be rather a shame to see Day[9] lose in both the SC2 and HearthStone categories. I'd say it'd be more embarrassing to lose to Destiny for SC2 than Trump for HS, though. Sure, Destiny streams more hours, but Day[9] has more viewers. Frankly, I don't watch Hearthstone, because I'd rather watch an 80-year-old woman playing bridge.
On January 31 2014 23:32 tomastaz wrote: Why is Trump ahead and not Day 9? You can't get a more educational stream! Y'all heartstone players delusional
Surely you jest?
But if not, then here: Trump is one of the best players in Hearthstone, and when he streams he always analyses all his moves and possible options and their outcomes, explaining his thought process all the while to the viewers. He also answers chat questions every once in a while, especially those that ask for advice.
Not only is it an educational stream, but the viewers are educated by someone who is actually a top player.
The game's popularity certainly contributes a little bit to it, sure, but it's hard to deny his stream's usefulness.
Also, I have nothing with the guy, but there's a lot of people in this community, mostly lower levels, who seem to think Day9 is some pro god guru of StarCraft who has 10 accounts in GM or something and the knowledge of 50 Artosis, which is simply not true. He's a cool guy, he's a smart guy, he's on the analytical side for sure, but for god's sake get a grip.
On January 31 2014 23:27 Greendotz wrote:
On January 31 2014 23:13 MasterOfPuppets wrote: ^ TotalBiscuit has made it clear on numerous occasions that he despises his fanbois and fanbois in general so...
That's my entire point, it's not his fault that a bunch of arsepundits latch onto his fandom and do act like morons under some misconstrued guise of 'defending' him. Same goes for Destiny, and every other major personality.
It's hard to compare someone who endorses and sometimes uses his fanbase with someone who proactively speaks out against fanboism and the stupidity of it, and never seeks to reap benefit from it even when he could (see all kinds of dumb internet drama) was my point. You make a fair one too, that some people just seem to attract stupid fans and there's little they can do about it, but let's be honest Destiny is the one who makes his place a breeding ground for those kinds of tryhard "trolly" edgy redditor kiddies who want to be a part of something.
Anyway this discussion serves little purpose and is most likely off-topic.
It would be rather a shame to see Day[9] lose in both the SC2 and HearthStone categories. I'd say it'd be more embarrassing to lose to Destiny for SC2 than Trump for HS, though. Sure, Destiny streams more hours, but Day[9] has more viewers. Frankly, I don't watch Hearthstone, because I'd rather watch an 80-year-old woman playing bridge.
Not sure why you had to add the last part in there, but eh.
And no, it's no shame for Day[9] to lose to Trump in the educational stream category.
On January 31 2014 21:20 NukeD wrote: Why all the Destiny hate? U jelly of his social skill yes?
You realize you do his fanbase no favors by posting like this, right?
Just saying, whats with all the hate. Leave the guy alone hes alright. People here treat his stream as Jerry Springer show for no reason.
Still reinforcing the stereotype.
What is the stereotype? Im not his fan. I dont watch sc2.
The stereotype is that Destiny caters to trollish and antagonistic people, `fans' who get off attacking (even ddos'ing) other people (including Destiny himself). Furthermore, that his fans are loud and unrefined, unlike the more pleasant and articulate sc2 community members. (On that note, you might want to look into spelling guides.)
Just from reading that you seem to fit the stereotype of an elitist little prig who has an overwhelming superiority complex when it comes to “your expert knowledge on SC2 streamers”. Whoop-de-fucking-shit. Also I find it hilarious that you’d stoop to the lowest form for internet douchebagery and attempt to tarnish someone because they misspelt a word. If you are going to do that (probably because your arguments are baseless and you need as much misdirection as possible) you may want to think about drastically improving your grammar my dear. One would think English isn't your first language
If he indeed is an elitist little prig (a lot to assume from a few phrases), isn't it ironic you actually sat down and spent time on writing a 5 paragraph post on why he's wrong? :D
On January 31 2014 21:20 NukeD wrote: Why all the Destiny hate? U jelly of his social skill yes?
Is this really the epitome of a person you want to be defending here?
NukeD has a talent for shit posting about SC2 dying and other non-sense. He admits to not watching SC2 and most just comes to threads to annoy people who do.
People need to not take this too personally, this is the kind of thing where the most popular kid wins. In the current hierarchy of popularity Hearthstone > SC2. Trump gets 20,000 concurrent viewers when ever he streams, that's more than some SC2 tournaments pull in, so it's hardly surprising he's beating Day9 in the 'educational' category. In all fairness though I would vote for Trump anyway, his stream IS educational to watch if you need help in arena, and his constructed knowledge is good enough. He interacts with his fans a lot and he puts a lot of effort into editing his youtube vids to make them the most enjoyable experience possible.
Sure Day9's stuff is great, and it's pretty much impossible to find anything to hate about the guy (would explain why his fans are so aggressively loyal) but he has essentially been doing the same thing for the last 3 years with very little change to his format or style. I'm sure you could find several daily's that essentially give the same lesson but with different replays. Also there doesn't appear to be much preparation in his shows. I get that this suites his style and works best for him but it can hurt the quality of some episodes. He can be talking about something and just completely losses his trail of thought, ends up completely dropping the subject without tieing anything off (despite talking about it for 5 minutes) and moves on to a totally different topic.
Sure, when Trump has been doing the same thing over and over for three years then feel free to criticise away. But right now the novelty of Hearthstone is really working in his favour.
On January 31 2014 23:32 tomastaz wrote: Why is Trump ahead and not Day 9? You can't get a more educational stream! Y'all heartstone players delusional
Surely you jest?
But if not, then here: Trump is one of the best players in Hearthstone, and when he streams he always analyses all his moves and possible options and their outcomes, explaining his thought process all the while to the viewers. He also answers chat questions every once in a while, especially those that ask for advice.
Not only is it an educational stream, but the viewers are educated by someone who is actually a top player.
The game's popularity certainly contributes a little bit to it, sure, but it's hard to deny his stream's usefulness.
Also, I have nothing with the guy, but there's a lot of people in this community, mostly lower levels, who seem to think Day9 is some pro god guru of StarCraft who has 10 accounts in GM or something and the knowledge of 50 Artosis, which is simply not true. He's a cool guy, he's a smart guy, he's on the analytical side for sure, but for god's sake get a grip.
On January 31 2014 23:27 Greendotz wrote:
On January 31 2014 23:13 MasterOfPuppets wrote: ^ TotalBiscuit has made it clear on numerous occasions that he despises his fanbois and fanbois in general so...
That's my entire point, it's not his fault that a bunch of arsepundits latch onto his fandom and do act like morons under some misconstrued guise of 'defending' him. Same goes for Destiny, and every other major personality.
It's hard to compare someone who endorses and sometimes uses his fanbase with someone who proactively speaks out against fanboism and the stupidity of it, and never seeks to reap benefit from it even when he could (see all kinds of dumb internet drama) was my point. You make a fair one too, that some people just seem to attract stupid fans and there's little they can do about it, but let's be honest Destiny is the one who makes his place a breeding ground for those kinds of tryhard "trolly" edgy redditor kiddies who want to be a part of something.
Anyway this discussion serves little purpose and is most likely off-topic.
It would be rather a shame to see Day[9] lose in both the SC2 and HearthStone categories. I'd say it'd be more embarrassing to lose to Destiny for SC2 than Trump for HS, though. Sure, Destiny streams more hours, but Day[9] has more viewers. Frankly, I don't watch Hearthstone, because I'd rather watch an 80-year-old woman playing bridge.
Not sure why you had to add the last part in there, but eh.
And no, it's no shame for Day[9] to lose to Trump in the educational stream category.
My way of pointing out that I don't watch Hearthstone and can only talk from the perspective of an SC2 viewer. I'm unable to say whether Day[9] or Trump is more awesome / educational of a stream for Hearthstone.
Either way, what I am saying is if Day[9] just auto-loses to Trump in HS, he deserves to win something for what he's done for the SC2 scene far more than Destiny needs a reward for consistently annoying us.
EDIT: I guess Destiny wins favourite SC2 streamer. I had no idea he was the scene's favourite. Guess I better watch what I say....
People should likely stop looking for social justice and for the "more deserving" party to win in constests like this. The only thing you can do is cast your vote and cheer for who you like. Complaining about other people you don't like getting more votes goes against the spirit of the whole event.
On February 01 2014 00:35 Plansix wrote: People should likely stop looking for social justice and for the "more deserving" party to win in constests like this. The only thing you can do is cast your vote and cheer for who you like. Complaining about other people you don't like getting more votes goes against the spirit of the whole event.
I disagree with that standpoint. It's like watching an election with 20% voter turnout unfold in an undesirable way and then being disappointed in the 80% of the population who didn't vote. Not only do you have a right to vote and watch the results, but you have the right to be appalled by the outcome and feel ashamed for the population to which you belong.
People don't look for social justice in an election or vote, or whatever you want to call it, but you do get what I'll call a measurement of the collective will of the society or community in question. If Destiny is this scene's "favourite stream" it speaks poorly for the scene, although he has made some personal growth in recent times...
On February 01 2014 00:35 Plansix wrote: People should likely stop looking for social justice and for the "more deserving" party to win in constests like this. The only thing you can do is cast your vote and cheer for who you like. Complaining about other people you don't like getting more votes goes against the spirit of the whole event.
I disagree with that standpoint. It's like watching an election with 20% voter turnout unfold in an undesirable way and then being disappointed in the 80% of the population who didn't vote. Not only do you have a right to vote and watch the results, but you have the right to be appalled by the outcome and feel ashamed for the population to which you belong.
People don't look for social justice in an election or vote, or whatever you want to call it, but you do get what I'll call a measurement of the collective will of the society or community in question. If Destiny is this scene's "favourite stream" it speaks poorly for the scene, although he has made some personal growth in recent times...
I hadn't even heard of these polls until a Hearthstone player mentioned it on stream. I doubt most people knew about this. Of course it was in Destiny's best interest to inform his fans and have them vote for him, why wouldn't he, but it's pretty obvious very few people voted overall.
You're reading to much into this IMO. People should vote for who they like and hope they win. Looking for deeper meaning or the health is the scene in the results it's sort of meaningless. I don't think the music world is goj f to hell just because people like J. Beiber and I don't think they have shitty music tastes because they do.
On February 01 2014 00:35 Plansix wrote: People should likely stop looking for social justice and for the "more deserving" party to win in constests like this. The only thing you can do is cast your vote and cheer for who you like. Complaining about other people you don't like getting more votes goes against the spirit of the whole event.
I disagree with that standpoint. It's like watching an election with 20% voter turnout unfold in an undesirable way and then being disappointed in the 80% of the population who didn't vote. Not only do you have a right to vote and watch the results, but you have the right to be appalled by the outcome and feel ashamed for the population to which you belong.
People don't look for social justice in an election or vote, or whatever you want to call it, but you do get what I'll call a measurement of the collective will of the society or community in question. If Destiny is this scene's "favourite stream" it speaks poorly for the scene, although he has made some personal growth in recent times...
I hadn't even heard of these polls until a Hearthstone player mentioned it on stream. I doubt most people knew about this. Of course it was in Destiny's best interest to inform his fans and have them vote for him, why wouldn't he, but it's pretty obvious very few people voted overall.
That's cool and I get it. You're saying that things are lob-sided because he got a head start and the number of votes are low. So, they can either change, or get progressively more lob-sided as more votes are cast.
If the SC2 community genuinely loves Destiny, I'd like to see his victory spelled out with like 80,000 votes, rather than a thousand. The higher the number of voters, the more accurate the results, assuming no foul play.
Also, "Twitch will distribute a prize pool of approximately $45,000" to the winners of these 6 or 7 categories... It's not like the outcome of the "contest" is completely meaningless. The community is literally rewarding, with money, the people who win. If we don't love Destiny as a community and are just "letting him win", that paints a very trollish picture of what we are. I hope that explains my viewpoint a little better?
Also, "Twitch will distribute a prize pool of approximately $45,000" to the winners of these 6 or 7 categories... It's not like the outcome of the "contest" is completely meaningless. The community is literally rewarding, with money, the people who win. If we don't love Destiny as a community and are just "letting him win", that paints a very trollish picture of what we are. I hope that explains my viewpoint a little better?
This is actually a fair point and I don't think many people are aware that there's money involved.
Also, "Twitch will distribute a prize pool of approximately $45,000" to the winners of these 6 or 7 categories... It's not like the outcome of the "contest" is completely meaningless. The community is literally rewarding, with money, the people who win. If we don't love Destiny as a community and are just "letting him win", that paints a very trollish picture of what we are. I hope that explains my viewpoint a little better?
This is actually a fair point and I don't think many people are aware that there's money involved.
Are you implying that some people are not reading the OP ? I'm mind blown !
Also, "Twitch will distribute a prize pool of approximately $45,000" to the winners of these 6 or 7 categories... It's not like the outcome of the "contest" is completely meaningless. The community is literally rewarding, with money, the people who win. If we don't love Destiny as a community and are just "letting him win", that paints a very trollish picture of what we are. I hope that explains my viewpoint a little better?
This is actually a fair point and I don't think many people are aware that there's money involved.
Are you implying that some people are not reading the OP ? I'm mind blown !
Most people who voted I'd assume never even got to read the thread, they were just given a link in streamchat like "hey vote pls kthx" :/ So that's a thing to consider.
Also, "Twitch will distribute a prize pool of approximately $45,000" to the winners of these 6 or 7 categories... It's not like the outcome of the "contest" is completely meaningless. The community is literally rewarding, with money, the people who win. If we don't love Destiny as a community and are just "letting him win", that paints a very trollish picture of what we are. I hope that explains my viewpoint a little better?
This is actually a fair point and I don't think many people are aware that there's money involved.
Are you implying that some people are not reading the OP ? I'm mind blown !
Most people who voted I'd assume never even got to read the thread, they were just given a link in streamchat like "hey vote pls kthx" :/ So that's a thing to consider.
Damn, I haven't logged into my blizz account in forever, so had to look up my password because Day9 must win! Besides voting for day9, I based my other votes on who I thought needed the money the most. Except for d3/wow. I abstained from voting in those cats since I know nothing about those streamers and didn't want to risk voting for a douchebag.
I have nothing against Destiny. I don't watch his stream. But I gotta say the SC2 community isn't representing itself well right now in the best SC2 stream category when I think of all the other names on there of people who invest 24/7 to sc2. I'm honestly disappointed. Do you guys want new comers to see SC2's best stream and have them go to Destiny first? If you feel he's the best SC2 can offer then cast that vote.
On February 01 2014 02:18 BisuDagger wrote: I have nothing against Destiny. I don't watch his stream. But I gotta say the SC2 community isn't representing itself well right now in the best SC2 stream category when I think of all the other names on there of people who invest 24/7 to sc2. I'm honestly disappointed. Do you guys want new comers to see SC2's best stream and have them go to Destiny first? If you feel he's the best SC2 can offer then cast that vote.
His stream was on when the polls opened.. His % of the lead is slowly diminishing, so I think it will end up being someone else.
On February 01 2014 02:18 BisuDagger wrote: I have nothing against Destiny. I don't watch his stream. But I gotta say the SC2 community isn't representing itself well right now in the best SC2 stream category when I think of all the other names on there of people who invest 24/7 to sc2. I'm honestly disappointed. Do you guys want new comers to see SC2's best stream and have them go to Destiny first? If you feel he's the best SC2 can offer then cast that vote.
You must overrate the sc2 community because you forget the sc2 community is the reason destiny rose to fame in the first place. The voting results are predictable and nothing new. The sc2 community loves players like destiny, idra, naniwa, etc. People like to rag on the lol/dota community, but the sc2 community is no shining example either really.
On February 01 2014 02:18 BisuDagger wrote: I have nothing against Destiny. I don't watch his stream. But I gotta say the SC2 community isn't representing itself well right now in the best SC2 stream category when I think of all the other names on there of people who invest 24/7 to sc2. I'm honestly disappointed. Do you guys want new comers to see SC2's best stream and have them go to Destiny first? If you feel he's the best SC2 can offer then cast that vote.
Of all the names on the list, Destiny is by far the most prolific and dedicated streamer. He has made it his main profession to stream. It's not a poll for "Most important SC2 personality", I hope people bear that in mind.
On January 31 2014 10:14 Liman wrote: i see painuser getting something for most hours :D
*Clear throat* Snipealot?
Snipealot just restreams other player's content doesn't he? Painuser is actually put out original content himself.
The snipealot channels pull Korean BW streams from Afreeca and restream them on Twitch. They're online almost all the time.
Also this was about most hours, not about content. And personally I'd argue that, restreams or not, the snipealot channels are some of the best content out there on Twitch.
Although it would be nice to be considered I'm sure they will ignore the snipealot streams for that award There would be no competition at all considering snipealot2 was online and streaming for a total of 8655 hours in 2013.
On February 01 2014 02:47 snipealot wrote: Although it would be nice to be considered I'm sure they will ignore the snipealot streams for that award There would be no competition at all considering snipealot2 was online and streaming for a total of 8655 hours in 2013.
You have our appreciation and gratitude though, so there's that. ^^
On February 01 2014 02:47 snipealot wrote: Although it would be nice to be considered I'm sure they will ignore the snipealot streams for that award There would be no competition at all considering snipealot2 was online and streaming for a total of 8655 hours in 2013.
How many people streaming;because, that is 360 days worth of streaming 24 hours a day....
On February 01 2014 02:47 snipealot wrote: Although it would be nice to be considered I'm sure they will ignore the snipealot streams for that award There would be no competition at all considering snipealot2 was online and streaming for a total of 8655 hours in 2013.
How many people streaming;because, that is 360 days worth of streaming 24 hours a day....
It's more or less an automated system afaik. It restreams Korean streams from Afreeca.
On February 01 2014 02:18 BisuDagger wrote: I have nothing against Destiny. I don't watch his stream. But I gotta say the SC2 community isn't representing itself well right now in the best SC2 stream category when I think of all the other names on there of people who invest 24/7 to sc2. I'm honestly disappointed. Do you guys want new comers to see SC2's best stream and have them go to Destiny first? If you feel he's the best SC2 can offer then cast that vote.
Of all the names on the list, Destiny is by far the most prolific and dedicated streamer. He has made it his main profession to stream. It's not a poll for "Most important SC2 personality", I hope people bear that in mind.
What you bolded is the part that confuses me. Are you genuinely saying he is the most prolific and dedicated sc2 streamer of 2013? Can you really say he put in more effort then Day9 to the sc2 scene? Considering Day9 got featured in Forbes for his work in sc2 I'm going to give you some time to develop a well worded reply to this.
just to share my votes and why because well I have nothing else to do this morning lol Favorite New Streamer of 2013- Jaedong, its just fun to watch one of the legendary players, play the game. Even though I am not a zerg player, I am a fan of the game and it is awesome.
Best Community Channel of 2013-I went with JP on this one, I just like watching his stuff. Not so much because of state of the game anymore, but I like watching him do play throughs of games and rolleplay is entertaining.
Most Educational Stream-Day9 because I mean who else comes up with fun ways to teach me how to play better. Granted I don't watch that much anymore, but when I need inspiration he usually has a daily for me.
Favorite StarCraft II Stream-I went with Demuslim I play terran, and he plays terran. I have learned a lot from watching him, and he generally provides a really good interactive stream. I also wanted to vote for TLO, grubby, and Catz because these are all players I watch often. But I suppose terran pride (PS why is destiny winning he plays LoL often too, and isn't even a pro, I just don't think he deserves to be on it when there are far more players who should be, like select for example. But he has a huge fan base of die hard fans so I am sure he will get votes and win....)
Favorite Diablo III Stream- I really didn't know who to go for because I don't see any point in watching D3, I just play it....lol So grats Archon the Wizard you got my vote lol.
Favorite Hearthstone Stream- Haven't really been into hearthstone, I didn't really find it that fun so I don't really watch it, but voted for Artosis because he actually has shows and stuff about it that have been interesting.
Favorite WoW Stream-Same as D3 If i want to do anything with WoW I will play it(which I haven't since lich king). Watching it is well boring...so grats LegendaryLea I randomly chose you lol!
On February 01 2014 02:47 snipealot wrote: Although it would be nice to be considered I'm sure they will ignore the snipealot streams for that award There would be no competition at all considering snipealot2 was online and streaming for a total of 8655 hours in 2013.
How many people streaming;because, that is 360 days worth of streaming 24 hours a day....
I think there has been around 50+ different streamers on snipealot2, but it's the same 15~ or so being restreamed over and over. Another nice thing about afreeca is that there is always good content on - either live or rebroadcasts.
On February 01 2014 03:13 HeeroFX wrote: just to share my votes and why because well I have nothing else to do this morning lol Favorite New Streamer of 2013- Jaedong, its just fun to watch one of the legendary players, play the game. Even though I am not a zerg player, I am a fan of the game and it is awesome.
Best Community Channel of 2013-I went with JP on this one, I just like watching his stuff. Not so much because of state of the game anymore, but I like watching him do play throughs of games and rolleplay is entertaining.
Most Educational Stream-Day9 because I mean who else comes up with fun ways to teach me how to play better. Granted I don't watch that much anymore, but when I need inspiration he usually has a daily for me.
Favorite StarCraft II Stream-I went with Demuslim I play terran, and he plays terran. I have learned a lot from watching him, and he generally provides a really good interactive stream. I also wanted to vote for TLO, grubby, and Catz because these are all players I watch often. But I suppose terran pride (PS why is destiny winning he plays LoL often too, and isn't even a pro, I just don't think he deserves to be on it when there are far more players who should be, like select for example. But he has a huge fan base of die hard fans so I am sure he will get votes and win....)
Favorite Diablo III Stream- I really didn't know who to go for because I don't see any point in watching D3, I just play it....lol So grats Archon the Wizard you got my vote lol.
Favorite Hearthstone Stream- Haven't really been into hearthstone, I didn't really find it that fun so I don't really watch it, but voted for Artosis because he actually has shows and stuff about it that have been interesting.
Favorite WoW Stream-Same as D3 If i want to do anything with WoW I will play it(which I haven't since lich king). Watching it is well boring...so grats LegendaryLea I randomly chose you lol!
The awards feature categories for each of the popular Blizzard franchises and is decided by popular vote, adding suspense and excitement for nominees like Sean “Day9″ Plott, who hopes that winning an award could finally help him gain some exposure in the scene.
nominees like Sean “Day9″ Plott, who hopes that winning an award could finally help him gain some exposure in the scene.
Sean “Day9″ Plott, who hopes that winning an award could finally help him gain some exposure in the scene
Sean “Day9″ Plott [...] help him gain some exposure
I shit you not, I laughed so hard.
It's nice to see some positivity from Naniwa though.^^
On February 01 2014 02:18 BisuDagger wrote: I have nothing against Destiny. I don't watch his stream. But I gotta say the SC2 community isn't representing itself well right now in the best SC2 stream category when I think of all the other names on there of people who invest 24/7 to sc2. I'm honestly disappointed. Do you guys want new comers to see SC2's best stream and have them go to Destiny first? If you feel he's the best SC2 can offer then cast that vote.
Of all the names on the list, Destiny is by far the most prolific and dedicated streamer. He has made it his main profession to stream. It's not a poll for "Most important SC2 personality", I hope people bear that in mind.
What you bolded is the part that confuses me. Are you genuinely saying he is the most prolific and dedicated sc2 streamer of 2013? Can you really say he put in more effort then Day9 to the sc2 scene? Considering Day9 got featured in Forbes for his work in sc2 I'm going to give you some time to develop a well worded reply to this.
Well he's not incorrect. Out of everyone on that list (Day9 isn't in the favorite StarCraft II Stream), who else is as prolific a streamer as Destiny? Streaming is his job so that plays a huge role, but I don't think it's anything to get worked up about or surprised by should he win these contests. Mind you I voted for Grubby, but even he is sporadic in streaming due to other obligations.
Well, mostly voted for day9 and JD, except favorite new stream cause Innovation fanboy oblige. I'd love to vote Destiny for most entertaining but there wasn't this category
On February 01 2014 02:18 BisuDagger wrote: I have nothing against Destiny. I don't watch his stream. But I gotta say the SC2 community isn't representing itself well right now in the best SC2 stream category when I think of all the other names on there of people who invest 24/7 to sc2. I'm honestly disappointed. Do you guys want new comers to see SC2's best stream and have them go to Destiny first? If you feel he's the best SC2 can offer then cast that vote.
Of all the names on the list, Destiny is by far the most prolific and dedicated streamer. He has made it his main profession to stream. It's not a poll for "Most important SC2 personality", I hope people bear that in mind.
What you bolded is the part that confuses me. Are you genuinely saying he is the most prolific and dedicated sc2 streamer of 2013? Can you really say he put in more effort then Day9 to the sc2 scene? Considering Day9 got featured in Forbes for his work in sc2 I'm going to give you some time to develop a well worded reply to this.
I certainly would put destiny before day9.
He is a dedicated streamer. You might not like his content, his games aren't the best quality but I don't think anyone can argue that his stream has the most content.
He interacts a tonnes with chat. He would raise up debates of politics or economics and invite the qualified people from chat to debate on Skype, while he is playing sc2 and acting as a host. He streams his chats with his friends like desrow and catz. He shares a lot about his life, too much sometimes. He talks hot topics like bitcoin. He is controversial.
When people tune in his stream, they are not expecting hardcore sc2 contents nonstop or top level game play etc. They are expecting more than just sc2 or games.
That's why he is popular. No other stream (at least as far as sc2 goes) provides such a rich experience.
Most dedicated sc2 streamer. He is a sc2 streamer and he certainly is dedicated to his streaming which is why his stream has so much content. His stream is not the most dedicated to sc2 and I think that's what you don't like about him being ranked 1?
On February 01 2014 02:18 BisuDagger wrote: I have nothing against Destiny. I don't watch his stream. But I gotta say the SC2 community isn't representing itself well right now in the best SC2 stream category when I think of all the other names on there of people who invest 24/7 to sc2. I'm honestly disappointed. Do you guys want new comers to see SC2's best stream and have them go to Destiny first? If you feel he's the best SC2 can offer then cast that vote.
Of all the names on the list, Destiny is by far the most prolific and dedicated streamer. He has made it his main profession to stream. It's not a poll for "Most important SC2 personality", I hope people bear that in mind.
What you bolded is the part that confuses me. Are you genuinely saying he is the most prolific and dedicated sc2 streamer of 2013? Can you really say he put in more effort then Day9 to the sc2 scene? Considering Day9 got featured in Forbes for his work in sc2 I'm going to give you some time to develop a well worded reply to this.
I certainly would put destiny before day9.
He is a dedicated streamer. You might not like his content, his games aren't the best quality but I don't think anyone can argue that his stream has the most content.
He interacts a tonnes with chat. He would raise up debates of politics or economics and invite the qualified people from chat to debate on Skype, while he is playing sc2 and acting as a host. He streams his chats with his friends like desrow and catz. He shares a lot about his life, too much sometimes. He talks hot topics like bitcoin. He is controversial.
When people tune in his stream, they are not expecting hardcore sc2 contents nonstop or top level game play etc. They are expecting more than just sc2 or games.
That's why he is popular. No other stream (at least as far as sc2 goes) provides such a rich experience.
Most dedicated sc2 streamer. He is a sc2 streamer and he certainly is dedicated to his streaming which is why his stream has so much content. His stream is not the most dedicated to sc2 and I think that's what you don't like about him being ranked 1?
I don't dislike it. I just didn't understand it. Thanks for making it clear. I though he only recently started sc2 streaming in the past couple months. Not all of 2013. That was the only other thing I was unclear of. If he's doing a great job then he deserves it. Again thanks for informing me!
The awards feature categories for each of the popular Blizzard franchises and is decided by popular vote, adding suspense and excitement for nominees like Sean “Day9″ Plott, who hopes that winning an award could finally help him gain some exposure in the scene.
Sean “Day9″ Plott [...] help him gain some exposure
I shit you not, I laughed so hard.
It's nice to see some positivity from Naniwa though.^^
I can't tell or not if you know that the linked article is a satirical, fake news post (like The Onion). Under the satire, it does make an interesting point that these awards are a little like the ESL $100k winner-take-all tournament. Just the rich getting richer. There is little chance that up-and-coming streamers would dethrone some of these leading streamers in future years, so there is little reason to believe that the award would change in future years, if repeated.
That being said, I gave props to Trump and NL_Kripp in the voting. Didn't feel strongly about the SC2 streamer awards, D3, or the WoW streamer awards (I would have given it to Ducksauce, honestly). Hard to pick the community stream, however.
The awards feature categories for each of the popular Blizzard franchises and is decided by popular vote, adding suspense and excitement for nominees like Sean “Day9″ Plott, who hopes that winning an award could finally help him gain some exposure in the scene.
nominees like Sean “Day9″ Plott, who hopes that winning an award could finally help him gain some exposure in the scene.
Sean “Day9″ Plott, who hopes that winning an award could finally help him gain some exposure in the scene
Sean “Day9″ Plott [...] help him gain some exposure
I shit you not, I laughed so hard.
It's nice to see some positivity from Naniwa though.^^
I can't tell or not if you know that the linked article is a satirical, fake news post (like The Onion). Under the satire, it does make an interesting point that these awards are a little like the ESL $100k winner-take-all tournament. Just the rich getting richer. There is little chance that up-and-coming streamers would dethrone some of these leading streamers in future years, so there is little reason to believe that the award would change in future years, if repeated.
That being said, I gave props to Trump and NL_Kripp in the voting. Didn't feel strongly about the SC2 streamer awards, D3, or the WoW streamer awards (I would have given it to Ducksauce, honestly). Hard to pick the community stream, however.
Oh I know but it's just that reading that, combined with the view of him some people in this thread have just makes me laugh unreasonably hard. xD
Of course the reality of the situation is much grimmer but still...
On February 01 2014 04:51 ooDi wrote: How is destiny winning fav. stream by so much?
More than any other streamer so far, I think he is organizing his viewers to support him. Combined with a broader familiarity due to his time spent streaming for other communities (such as LoL), he's doing well early on in the voting.
On February 01 2014 04:51 ooDi wrote: How is destiny winning fav. stream by so much?
More than any other streamer so far, I think he is organizing his viewers to support him. Combined with a broader familiarity due to his time spent streaming for other communities (such as LoL), he's doing well early on in the voting.
Wow respect to Destiny for your popularity despite your expertise in douchebaggery. Abandons the starcraft 2 scene after a doomsaying campaign spitting on the game that made him successful to capitalize on the popularity of some casual game. Proceeds to comes back after failing to replicate his initial sc2 success in said casual game and blizzard is actually nominating him in year end awards when he played another game from rival developer half the year? And its not just a poll for !@#$s and giggles its actually a pretty penny on the line here? And his nomination is coming at the expense of other far more deserving streamers who actually stuck with this 'dying game' through thick and thin? Kudos Destiny best capitalist in starcraft if this were politics you'd be president.
Stop bitching about Destiny, holy fuck. Better than the 'never say anything negative about the game' crowd.
He went to play LoL, big deal? Maybe he enjoyed it more for a while, maybe he got bored of it and came back to play SC2. You aren't contractually bound to stick with a game, especially if you're not actually a progamer.
It's the principal. He's doing what's in his best interests I don't blame him I applaud his success. Good for him. I'm more concerned with blizzard's thought process. Also, where the fuck is basetradetv?
jaedong my favorite among those by far. i dont like all the talking streamers do. commentary and polarizing music are the two worst features of an SC2 stream for me. just show good SC2 games and im happy
On February 01 2014 02:18 BisuDagger wrote: I have nothing against Destiny. I don't watch his stream. But I gotta say the SC2 community isn't representing itself well right now in the best SC2 stream category when I think of all the other names on there of people who invest 24/7 to sc2. I'm honestly disappointed. Do you guys want new comers to see SC2's best stream and have them go to Destiny first? If you feel he's the best SC2 can offer then cast that vote.
Of all the names on the list, Destiny is by far the most prolific and dedicated streamer. He has made it his main profession to stream. It's not a poll for "Most important SC2 personality", I hope people bear that in mind.
What you bolded is the part that confuses me. Are you genuinely saying he is the most prolific and dedicated sc2 streamer of 2013? Can you really say he put in more effort then Day9 to the sc2 scene? Considering Day9 got featured in Forbes for his work in sc2 I'm going to give you some time to develop a well worded reply to this.
I certainly would put destiny before day9.
He is a dedicated streamer. You might not like his content, his games aren't the best quality but I don't think anyone can argue that his stream has the most content.
He interacts a tonnes with chat. He would raise up debates of politics or economics and invite the qualified people from chat to debate on Skype, while he is playing sc2 and acting as a host. He streams his chats with his friends like desrow and catz. He shares a lot about his life, too much sometimes. He talks hot topics like bitcoin. He is controversial.
When people tune in his stream, they are not expecting hardcore sc2 contents nonstop or top level game play etc. They are expecting more than just sc2 or games.
That's why he is popular. No other stream (at least as far as sc2 goes) provides such a rich experience.
Most dedicated sc2 streamer. He is a sc2 streamer and he certainly is dedicated to his streaming which is why his stream has so much content. His stream is not the most dedicated to sc2 and I think that's what you don't like about him being ranked 1?
aren't those great reasons why he shouldnt be winning? you're praising him specifically for doing things that aren't playing a blizzard game. and in addition to that, he spent most of 2013 playing LoL didn't he? the majority of his 2013 stream went to one of blizzard's biggest competitors. the main appeal of his stream is his personal life, not the gameplay. i dont have anything against that and i like destiny but for the purposes of this vote, he seems like a really inappropriate candidate
On February 01 2014 07:24 NonY wrote: jaedong my favorite among those by far. i dont like all the talking streamers do. commentary and polarizing music are the two worst features of an SC2 stream for me. just show good SC2 games and im happy
I love Jaedong's stream just for strength of games. Sometimes I enjoy the analytical guys, Artosis was always good at properly breaking down near enough every game he played afterwards, but equally sometimes I just want to marvel at a Korean pro's mechanical chops.
Speaking of music, your good self has some of the best music out there! Argh so many good streamers
I agree with music being such a polarizing thing because everyone has different tastes. I remember jinro had some of the worst music I've ever heard in my life. Was always some swedish rap/metal or something like that. I forget exactly what genre, but he routinely posts similar links to songs on his twitter and each one is just as awful as I remember on his stream.
On February 01 2014 05:33 IncubusSC wrote: lol they don't even let us vote and choose all the contenders, it's just hand picked goodie goods by blizzard.
Yeah, like that Destiny guy. The only reason he's on the list is because of how much he sucks up to Blizzard all the time.
On February 01 2014 09:48 kasumimi wrote: The butthurt in this thread is fascinating to say the least over a fun-popularity contest.
Also the arguments, reasoning and hate in here are the epitome of how to apply double-standards.
45,000 to be divvied amongst the winners probably means its substantially more than a popularity contest in theory if not in practice.
Some people care enough about the scene to devote a few seconds of our time posting our bewilderment about apparent appropriation of these funds. If that constitutes 'butt-hurt' by your definition so be it. To each his own, we'll agree to disagree. Hey, if Destiny is charismatic enough by your definition to be more worthy than other people who were actually involved in sc for the majority of the calender year then more power to the guy. He was always relatively well spoken, articulate, and rather insightful when he wants to be (the other times... well...) nothing against him personally. Something against blizzard though for nominating a guy that only came back to our little corner of the esports world in sep winning an award for a calender year. I'm more inclined to worry how out of touch blizzard is with our community to do such a thing and if they can't handle something as 'miniscule' as this, as you implied, are they to handle much more pressing issues...
I know why Destiny is so popular. He's the Justin Bieber of Sc2. So for those of you wondering the same thing, Destiny is famous for the same reason Bieber has so many Beliebers. There are many people who love those that act like trash while having no talent. However, I do not know why. It would be very helpful if someone can explain Bieber and Destiny's popularity. They are NOT handsome. If "looks" defined popularity, LiquidHero would be the most popular player in the world.
Take note: I DID NOT SAY that any of them are trash. Therefore this message does not contain personal attacks and therefore moderators should not be concerned.
Dragon, on the other hand, is the Kim Kardashian of Sc2. I can totally understand why these two are popular. Porn is a big industry...
EDIT: nvm, I just read this post. I now understand.
On February 01 2014 03:42 ETisME wrote: I certainly would put destiny before day9.
He is a dedicated streamer. You might not like his content, his games aren't the best quality but I don't think anyone can argue that his stream has the most content.
He interacts a tonnes with chat. He would raise up debates of politics or economics and invite the qualified people from chat to debate on Skype, while he is playing sc2 and acting as a host. He streams his chats with his friends like desrow and catz. He shares a lot about his life, too much sometimes. He talks hot topics like bitcoin. He is controversial.
When people tune in his stream, they are not expecting hardcore sc2 contents nonstop or top level game play etc. They are expecting more than just sc2 or games.
That's why he is popular. No other stream (at least as far as sc2 goes) provides such a rich experience.
On February 01 2014 02:18 BisuDagger wrote: I have nothing against Destiny. I don't watch his stream. But I gotta say the SC2 community isn't representing itself well right now in the best SC2 stream category when I think of all the other names on there of people who invest 24/7 to sc2. I'm honestly disappointed. Do you guys want new comers to see SC2's best stream and have them go to Destiny first? If you feel he's the best SC2 can offer then cast that vote.
Of all the names on the list, Destiny is by far the most prolific and dedicated streamer. He has made it his main profession to stream. It's not a poll for "Most important SC2 personality", I hope people bear that in mind.
What you bolded is the part that confuses me. Are you genuinely saying he is the most prolific and dedicated sc2 streamer of 2013? Can you really say he put in more effort then Day9 to the sc2 scene? Considering Day9 got featured in Forbes for his work in sc2 I'm going to give you some time to develop a well worded reply to this.
I certainly would put destiny before day9.
He is a dedicated streamer. You might not like his content, his games aren't the best quality but I don't think anyone can argue that his stream has the most content.
He interacts a tonnes with chat. He would raise up debates of politics or economics and invite the qualified people from chat to debate on Skype, while he is playing sc2 and acting as a host. He streams his chats with his friends like desrow and catz. He shares a lot about his life, too much sometimes. He talks hot topics like bitcoin. He is controversial.
When people tune in his stream, they are not expecting hardcore sc2 contents nonstop or top level game play etc. They are expecting more than just sc2 or games.
That's why he is popular. No other stream (at least as far as sc2 goes) provides such a rich experience.
Most dedicated sc2 streamer. He is a sc2 streamer and he certainly is dedicated to his streaming which is why his stream has so much content. His stream is not the most dedicated to sc2 and I think that's what you don't like about him being ranked 1?
aren't those great reasons why he shouldnt be winning? you're praising him specifically for doing things that aren't playing a blizzard game. and in addition to that, he spent most of 2013 playing LoL didn't he? the majority of his 2013 stream went to one of blizzard's biggest competitors. the main appeal of his stream is his personal life, not the gameplay. i dont have anything against that and i like destiny but for the purposes of this vote, he seems like a really inappropriate candidate
On February 01 2014 11:25 riceant wrote: I know why Destiny is so popular. He's the Justin Bieber of Sc2. So for those of you wondering the same thing, Destiny is famous for the same reason Bieber has so many Beliebers. There are many people who love those that act like trash while having no talent. However, I do not know why. It would be very helpful if someone can explain Bieber and Destiny's popularity. They are NOT handsome. If "looks" defined popularity, LiquidHero would be the most popular player in the world.
Take note: I DID NOT SAY that any of them are trash. Therefore this message does not contain personal attacks and therefore moderators should not be concerned.
Dragon, on the other hand, is the Kim Kardashian of Sc2. I can totally understand why these two are popular. Porn is a big industry...
EDIT: nvm, I just read this post. I now understand.
On February 01 2014 03:42 ETisME wrote: I certainly would put destiny before day9.
He is a dedicated streamer. You might not like his content, his games aren't the best quality but I don't think anyone can argue that his stream has the most content.
He interacts a tonnes with chat. He would raise up debates of politics or economics and invite the qualified people from chat to debate on Skype, while he is playing sc2 and acting as a host. He streams his chats with his friends like desrow and catz. He shares a lot about his life, too much sometimes. He talks hot topics like bitcoin. He is controversial.
When people tune in his stream, they are not expecting hardcore sc2 contents nonstop or top level game play etc. They are expecting more than just sc2 or games.
That's why he is popular. No other stream (at least as far as sc2 goes) provides such a rich experience.
Haha, your post was full of asinine nonsense but not report-worthy, you're correct in that I guess?
Not really sure, what the issue is. He has a lot of content which people respond to in differing ways, I haven't really watched him for a while but the anger of people who appear butthurt he dared to stream another game is just silly.
On February 01 2014 02:18 BisuDagger wrote: I have nothing against Destiny. I don't watch his stream. But I gotta say the SC2 community isn't representing itself well right now in the best SC2 stream category when I think of all the other names on there of people who invest 24/7 to sc2. I'm honestly disappointed. Do you guys want new comers to see SC2's best stream and have them go to Destiny first? If you feel he's the best SC2 can offer then cast that vote.
Of all the names on the list, Destiny is by far the most prolific and dedicated streamer. He has made it his main profession to stream. It's not a poll for "Most important SC2 personality", I hope people bear that in mind.
What you bolded is the part that confuses me. Are you genuinely saying he is the most prolific and dedicated sc2 streamer of 2013? Can you really say he put in more effort then Day9 to the sc2 scene? Considering Day9 got featured in Forbes for his work in sc2 I'm going to give you some time to develop a well worded reply to this.
I certainly would put destiny before day9.
He is a dedicated streamer. You might not like his content, his games aren't the best quality but I don't think anyone can argue that his stream has the most content.
He interacts a tonnes with chat. He would raise up debates of politics or economics and invite the qualified people from chat to debate on Skype, while he is playing sc2 and acting as a host. He streams his chats with his friends like desrow and catz. He shares a lot about his life, too much sometimes. He talks hot topics like bitcoin. He is controversial.
When people tune in his stream, they are not expecting hardcore sc2 contents nonstop or top level game play etc. They are expecting more than just sc2 or games.
That's why he is popular. No other stream (at least as far as sc2 goes) provides such a rich experience.
Most dedicated sc2 streamer. He is a sc2 streamer and he certainly is dedicated to his streaming which is why his stream has so much content. His stream is not the most dedicated to sc2 and I think that's what you don't like about him being ranked 1?
aren't those great reasons why he shouldnt be winning? you're praising him specifically for doing things that aren't playing a blizzard game. and in addition to that, he spent most of 2013 playing LoL didn't he? the majority of his 2013 stream went to one of blizzard's biggest competitors. the main appeal of his stream is his personal life, not the gameplay. i dont have anything against that and i like destiny but for the purposes of this vote, he seems like a really inappropriate candidate
I guess you can see it this way, he also has been on the other side (lol) and came back because it just isn't the game for him. That would be some good marketing for blizzard there too. I am not sure if the reward is only for this year? But he certainly deserve it if it isn't only for this year since he has always always been one of the top streamers in the scene, his viewer numbers and hours streams had always been really impressive.
I don't really care too much about him switching to LoL anyway, I know many hold grudge against him because of his "SC2 is dead" talk and his switch to LoL and when he returns, he was treated as a hero because he quickly became one of the popular streamer again and people didn't like that. When he switched to LoL, I just stopped watching his stream because I find moba boring to watch.
there have not been any other streamers that made me a fan of him because of his stream (maybe except Golden since I always had been a fan of his since he streamed back in 2011 when he was in SlayerS and he was awesome back then as well) I watch a tonnes of Taeja and JD's stream as well, but that's only because I am already a fan of theirs. and if their skill level isn't this high, I won't find their stream very interesting since the main selling point is their amazing games and mechanics (JD mechanics imo, is the cleanest of all.)
Destiny for me, is the only streamer that isn't about hitting that play button again and again and again and again. He is a SC2 player, just like me, who would try out other games and talk about some hot topics with others. And I only watch SC2 stream, so I guess for me, that would qualify him as a SC2 streamer lol
The poll asks me who is my favorite sc2 streamer, well my vote goes to destiny because of all the reasons I put up earlier. I don't really ask myself what his contents are, how much of it is good for the scene, does he deserve the prize money or how much of it is sc2 related. I always tune in when he plays sc2, and I find the experience to be good enough that even if it isn't the top level sc2, it is more than enough for me to stay watching
[update]
Even IdrA didn't manage to make a living out of streaming, so let's give Destiny some more recognition for staying in the scene by more or less nothing but streaming
On February 01 2014 11:25 riceant wrote: I know why Destiny is so popular. He's the Justin Bieber of Sc2. So for those of you wondering the same thing, Destiny is famous for the same reason Bieber has so many Beliebers. There are many people who love those that act like trash while having no talent. However, I do not know why. It would be very helpful if someone can explain Bieber and Destiny's popularity. They are NOT handsome. If "looks" defined popularity, LiquidHero would be the most popular player in the world.
Take note: I DID NOT SAY that any of them are trash. Therefore this message does not contain personal attacks and therefore moderators should not be concerned.
Dragon, on the other hand, is the Kim Kardashian of Sc2. I can totally understand why these two are popular. Porn is a big industry...
EDIT: nvm, I just read this post. I now understand.
On February 01 2014 03:42 ETisME wrote: I certainly would put destiny before day9.
He is a dedicated streamer. You might not like his content, his games aren't the best quality but I don't think anyone can argue that his stream has the most content.
He interacts a tonnes with chat. He would raise up debates of politics or economics and invite the qualified people from chat to debate on Skype, while he is playing sc2 and acting as a host. He streams his chats with his friends like desrow and catz. He shares a lot about his life, too much sometimes. He talks hot topics like bitcoin. He is controversial.
When people tune in his stream, they are not expecting hardcore sc2 contents nonstop or top level game play etc. They are expecting more than just sc2 or games.
That's why he is popular. No other stream (at least as far as sc2 goes) provides such a rich experience.
Haha, your post was full of asinine nonsense but not report-worthy, you're correct in that I guess?
Not really sure, what the issue is. He has a lot of content which people respond to in differing ways, I haven't really watched him for a while but the anger of people who appear butthurt he dared to stream another game is just silly.
You seem like a reasonable guy. If you were a blizzard employee in charge of this year end event would you nominate him within this very same context for this very same award? Answer me that. Yes, no, and why? I'm curious as to why. But comparing him to Bieber is just cruel. He's way better at starcraft than bieber is at whatever he's supposed to be good at. He's polarizing to be sure but I believe he's more than capable to be a productive member of the community. But the question is he so good that he can produce content at quarter the rate of his peers and still be deserving of his piece of the 45 k pie?
Kinda dumb, StarCraft 2 is a intelligent game. The fact that so many D-bags like Destiny that people watch for Entertainment is annoying. So many better SC2 streamers that stream daily that provide beneficial help. Surprised Desrow is not on that list, Destiny streamed League of Legends for the past year, why the heck is he on the starcraft 2 list when he just started playing SC2 again? But w/e guess America is based on looks and popularity these days instead of helpful intelligent streams.
On February 01 2014 19:19 NukeD wrote: ^Oh you dont watch streams for entertainment? You also dont play games for entertainment I guess?
Also dont use the word intelligent, it makes you look bad.
This post makes you look bad. No one watches SC2 streams to watch someone act like a D-bag. Especially if that person has not streamed SC2 in over a year, and only streamed LOL. The fact that person gets awarded over someone like Desrow(who helps the sc2 community) is pathetic. And your pathetic if you watch SC2 streams to watch people rage or act like idiots, it makes you look bad.
On February 01 2014 19:19 NukeD wrote: ^Oh you dont watch streams for entertainment? You also dont play games for entertainment I guess?
Also dont use the word intelligent, it makes you look bad.
LingBling's post was terrible but no, some people do not watch streams for entertainment, or at least don't associate entertainment with the same things you do. God forbid some people just want to see really good plays, regardless of game. And likewise, look at many pros, they don't play for entertainment, they play because it's their job, and when their job becomes too frustrating they retire or switch to games they like better.
On February 01 2014 19:19 NukeD wrote: ^Oh you dont watch streams for entertainment? You also dont play games for entertainment I guess?
Also dont use the word intelligent, it makes you look bad.
This post makes you look bad. No one watches SC2 streams to watch someone act like a D-bag. Especially if that person has not streamed SC2 in over a year, and only streamed LOL. The fact that person gets awarded over someone like Desrow(who helps the sc2 community) is pathetic. And your pathetic if you watch SC2 streams to watch people rage or act like idiots, it makes you look bad.
Shut up already. 'no one watches' - Destiny's stream numbers.
I hate pious little fucks like you who whine that other people dare to like something they don't see as meritorious. Not even a Destiny fan just this incessant bitching is beyond annoying.
On February 01 2014 19:19 NukeD wrote: ^Oh you dont watch streams for entertainment? You also dont play games for entertainment I guess?
Also dont use the word intelligent, it makes you look bad.
LingBling's post was terrible but no, some people do not watch streams for entertainment, or at least don't associate entertainment with the same things you do. God forbid some people just want to see really good plays, regardless of game. And likewise, look at many pros, they don't play for entertainment, they play because it's their job, and when their job becomes too frustrating they retire or switch to games they like better.
Really good plays falls under the category of entertainment in my book. I agree on the pros not playing for entertainment tho.
^ i can't belive people will whine even when the companies are throwing money at SC2... i guess it's better than the whole "esports dying" thing but still, pretty annoying...
as for Destiny, there is a reason why his viewership is always most numerous, no matter who he competes with at the time. saying it's just cuz "people stupid" and calling him "entertainer" as if that was something bad is ridiculous. if anything, other personal streams should be more like his, and for top notch games we would always have tournaments.
one could say that if we had less tournaments (ie. right now asus vs iem at the same timeslot is just hurting my brain), maybe the hype for the really really good players showing their skill would be bigger, cause you wouldn't get that dose of competitiveness from personal streams. in that way, more guys following destinies recipe would actually be helping "esports". easier to hate i guess...
On February 01 2014 02:18 BisuDagger wrote: I have nothing against Destiny. I don't watch his stream. But I gotta say the SC2 community isn't representing itself well right now in the best SC2 stream category when I think of all the other names on there of people who invest 24/7 to sc2. I'm honestly disappointed. Do you guys want new comers to see SC2's best stream and have them go to Destiny first? If you feel he's the best SC2 can offer then cast that vote.
Of all the names on the list, Destiny is by far the most prolific and dedicated streamer. He has made it his main profession to stream. It's not a poll for "Most important SC2 personality", I hope people bear that in mind.
What you bolded is the part that confuses me. Are you genuinely saying he is the most prolific and dedicated sc2 streamer of 2013? Can you really say he put in more effort then Day9 to the sc2 scene? Considering Day9 got featured in Forbes for his work in sc2 I'm going to give you some time to develop a well worded reply to this.
I don't see how a Forbes feature has anything to do with the qualities of their respective streams, but sure, that's cool. I wouldn't try to argue that Destiny is a more important eSports personality than Day[9]. But that is exactly my point - this isn't about who is the ambassador for Starcraft 2, this is about who puts out the best stream. Destiny streams way more than Day[9], any comparison between the two would look silly. Who puts in more effort? Day[9] has a professional and structured format, and probably spends several hours on preparations alone. Destiny on the other hand is more of an ad liber - he can get into almost any topic and make that funny or interesting, and he puts out way more hours of entertainment. But frankly, I don't give a damn who puts in more effort. What I do care about is what kind of entertainment I get. I know that for a large part of the day Destiny will be streaming, and I can watch that stream and have a good time. That's the only thing that matters. I'm not saying that the other streamers are bad though, it's just a matter of personal preference (and that's what we're voting on, isn't it?). I voted Day[9] in the educational category, I hope that satisfies your ego.
On February 01 2014 22:25 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote: Wow.. blizz is getting pretty desperate.. stream awards.. really? looks like a PR move to me
Desperate for what?
It is a PR move. Why is any PR/marketing move by Blizzard seen as desperate?
Nothing wrong with rewarding the people who promote your games and contribute to the community.
Seriously, what can we do that mutually improves starcraft and sponsors/investors without making people complain? -_-
By all means, but giving extra cash to the likes of Day9, or Destiny just strikes me as a bit pointless. You're giving the streamers who are self-sustaining and make money out of it, more money, because they are popular enough to get the votes. Because they already have big channels. It's the same problem with Youtube these days, bigger channels just get bigger and bigger due to cross-promotion and the way the site currently works.
It's Blizz's money so they can do what they wish with it, I just feel there are more intelligent ways to go about it. Publicising smaller streamers, more stuff in the client to show the varied content that people are producing.
On February 01 2014 22:25 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote: Wow.. blizz is getting pretty desperate.. stream awards.. really? looks like a PR move to me
Desperate for what?
It is a PR move. Why is any PR/marketing move by Blizzard seen as desperate?
Nothing wrong with rewarding the people who promote your games and contribute to the community.
Seriously, what can we do that mutually improves starcraft and sponsors/investors without making people complain? -_-
By all means, but giving extra cash to the likes of Day9, or Destiny just strikes me as a bit pointless. You're giving the streamers who are self-sustaining and make money out of it, more money, because they are popular enough to get the votes. Because they already have big channels. It's the same problem with Youtube these days, bigger channels just get bigger and bigger due to cross-promotion and the way the site currently works.
It's Blizz's money so they can do what they wish with it, I just feel there are more intelligent ways to go about it. Publicising smaller streamers, more stuff in the client to show the varied content that people are producing.
To be fair though, streamers hardly make alot of money from twitch nowadays. The ad-revenues are supposedly much lower than they were two years ago, and sustaining yourself by streaming relies alot on sponsorships, subscriptions and donations. And it's not like Blizzard are taking money from their game development budget - this is marketing resources being spent on dedicated streamers who have been promoting their games.
I agree though that it's problematic that small streams are experiencing very limited growth due to the way that these services are set up, but that's just the name of the game I guess.
On February 01 2014 22:25 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote: Wow.. blizz is getting pretty desperate.. stream awards.. really? looks like a PR move to me
Desperate for what?
It is a PR move. Why is any PR/marketing move by Blizzard seen as desperate?
Nothing wrong with rewarding the people who promote your games and contribute to the community.
Seriously, what can we do that mutually improves starcraft and sponsors/investors without making people complain? -_-
By all means, but giving extra cash to the likes of Day9, or Destiny just strikes me as a bit pointless. You're giving the streamers who are self-sustaining and make money out of it, more money, because they are popular enough to get the votes. Because they already have big channels. It's the same problem with Youtube these days, bigger channels just get bigger and bigger due to cross-promotion and the way the site currently works.
It's Blizz's money so they can do what they wish with it, I just feel there are more intelligent ways to go about it. Publicising smaller streamers, more stuff in the client to show the varied content that people are producing.
To be fair though, streamers hardly make alot of money from twitch nowadays. The ad-revenues are supposedly much lower than they were two years ago, and sustaining yourself by streaming relies alot on sponsorships, subscriptions and donations. And it's not like Blizzard are taking money from their game development budget - this is marketing resources being spent on dedicated streamers who have been promoting their games.
I agree though that it's problematic that small streams are experiencing very limited growth due to the way that these services are set up, but that's just the name of the game I guess.
I don't know about SC2 streams nowadays, but the bigname Hearthstone streamers have a lot of subscribers and tend to get a lot of donations too so ad-revenue is not that big of a deal for them...
On February 02 2014 04:30 NHL Fever wrote: Is there an anti-award we can give to twitch for 'worst streaming service of 2010 - 2013'?
No because they're still the best we've got.
I mean I don't know about you, but I have literally not a single time ever been able to watch a YouTube stream, they refuse to load under any circumstance whatsoever.
Meanwhile Own3d had worse quality and wasn't even paying its streamers the ad revenue so....
Gamecreds or whatever that service the Mill players use is also tends to break randomly for no discernible reason.
On February 02 2014 04:30 NHL Fever wrote: Is there an anti-award we can give to twitch for 'worst streaming service of 2010 - 2013'?
No because they're still the best we've got.
I mean I don't know about you, but I have literally not a single time ever been able to watch a YouTube stream, they refuse to load under any circumstance whatsoever.
Really? Youtube has always worked for me when twitch failed. The mlg service looked good during gameon as well, no? And azubu always ran smoothly for me.
But on the other hand, i've never gone to any of those sites to look for content, and I can't get enough of twitch chat, so idk.
I've never found twitch to be that problematic outside of a few given circumstances but that's to be expected given how much i've used them. People really exagerate those problems IMO.
Edit: btw i just checked hitbox.tv and the website won't load, did they just go down and i didn't hear about it or something?
On February 02 2014 04:30 NHL Fever wrote: Is there an anti-award we can give to twitch for 'worst streaming service of 2010 - 2013'?
No because they're still the best we've got.
I mean I don't know about you, but I have literally not a single time ever been able to watch a YouTube stream, they refuse to load under any circumstance whatsoever.
Really? Youtube has always worked for me when twitch failed. The mlg service looked good during gameon as well, no? And azubu always ran smoothly for me.
But on the other hand, i've never gone to any of those sites to look for content, and I can't get enough of twitch chat, so idk.
I've never found twitch to be that problematic outside of a few given circumstances but that's to be expected given how much i've used them. People really exagerate those problems IMO.
Yeah man I'm serious, no YouTube live stream has ever loaded for me on any browser, under any settings or circumstances. As for MLG, they've been better lately, but for the entirety of 2011 and the first half of 2012 their streams would not load either. Not sure about Azubu as I've not tried it.
Yeah I personally don't experience Twitch problems that often, but when they do happen they're infuriating.
And the armchair technicians always say "lol u hav shit internet". No I fucking don't, I live in Romania, I get the kind of internet that 90% of people in the USA and Canada would sell both their testes and several other organs for, and I only pay like 10 euro a month for it.
But even then, the problems with lag and stuttering for me are never as abundant as most European users report, and when they do they don't last that long. So yeah...
On February 02 2014 04:30 NHL Fever wrote: Is there an anti-award we can give to twitch for 'worst streaming service of 2010 - 2013'?
No because they're still the best we've got.
I mean I don't know about you, but I have literally not a single time ever been able to watch a YouTube stream, they refuse to load under any circumstance whatsoever.
Meanwhile Own3d had worse quality and wasn't even paying its streamers the ad revenue so....
Gamecreds or whatever that service the Mill players use is also tends to break randomly for no discernible reason.
idk mayne
You've obviously never tried to watch vods then. I have watched all the GSL matches on twitch this season, and without exemption, it's not possible to watch without significant problems that make them close to unwatchable. Tons of lagging all the time, and no ability to select quality. Meanwhile with same connection GOMtv used to work perfectly, not to mention every other type of streaming service on the internet.
And I live in NA, where twitch is actually supposed to be the best.
The other reason I criticize them is because even if you are a paying customer, it's impossible to contact them for help.
On February 02 2014 04:30 NHL Fever wrote: Is there an anti-award we can give to twitch for 'worst streaming service of 2010 - 2013'?
No because they're still the best we've got.
I mean I don't know about you, but I have literally not a single time ever been able to watch a YouTube stream, they refuse to load under any circumstance whatsoever.
Meanwhile Own3d had worse quality and wasn't even paying its streamers the ad revenue so....
Gamecreds or whatever that service the Mill players use is also tends to break randomly for no discernible reason.
idk mayne
You've obviously never tried to watch vods then. I have watched all the GSL matches on twitch this season, and without exemption, it's not possible to watch without significant problems that make them close to unwatchable. Tons of lagging all the time, and no ability to select quality. Meanwhile with same connection GOMtv used to work perfectly, not to mention every other type of streaming service on the internet.
And I live in NA, where twitch is actually supposed to be the best.
The other reason I criticize them is because even if you are a paying customer, it's impossible to contact them for help.
I don't watch SC2 VODs (only super old ones on youtube) so maybe you're right.
Twitch is incredibly bad at times for me, and I'm not really sure why.
Bear in mind I am primarily a Mac user, got my Windows 7 machine back up and running. The difference in experience between the two is massive, the Windows PC I have had no issues with whatsoever.
It frustrates me that Trump won "Most Educational" over Day9. I know Trump's stream certainly does teach a lot as a byproduct of simply streaming his play, but Day9 actually teaches and analyzes and has dedicated his stream to that for so many years now (Even if that has seemed to drop off to the wayside a bit, lately).
On February 11 2014 15:07 1Dhalism wrote: Does it count 43.5% of year as waking hours whatever they are, or actually 24hr? I'm just blown.
Well PainUser did fall asleep on stream once, for longer than Cella too, so why not? XD
Only once ?
I have to admit i laughed out loud when i read that award and painuser's nick.
I've never followed him but I did see people post about it once so I went to check it out and lo and behold it was true. So ye, only once is what I know. Given these stats, you're most likely right though. xD
On February 12 2014 00:33 Rehio wrote: It frustrates me that Trump won "Most Educational" over Day9. I know Trump's stream certainly does teach a lot as a byproduct of simply streaming his play, but Day9 actually teaches and analyzes and has dedicated his stream to that for so many years now (Even if that has seemed to drop off to the wayside a bit, lately).
Popularity polls can be frustrating, I guess. :D
It's not a popularity poll. Trump also explains and analyses his moves very in-depth most of the time, to the point where he can barely make all his plays because he's running out of time. He's even introduced a full day's worth of broadcast every week dedicated to such explanation.
Sry, but you're way off. With all due respect, Trump is doing a lot more for Hearthstone viewers right now than Day9 is for SC2 ones. It's basically like getting taught for free by a Code S Korean, someone who actually plays the game at the highest possible level. Not someone who claims to have an account in GM but never reveals it for fear of not meeting the public's expectations, and who physically doesn't have the time necessary to maintain himself at that skill level.
If it were a popularity contest alone, Day9 would've won it, I guarantee you that.
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