IEM World Championship to be Winner Takes All for $100,000…

BigFan

TLADT24920 Posts

January 27 2014 22:29 GMT

#501

As much as I can see what the problem is, this outcry over such a big tourney is going way overboard. IEM chooses how they want to hand out the prize money and they've decided on this method. Does the method have some flaws? of course, they are kind of obvious. Does that mean it should be changed? that's IEM's decision but I can see where they're going with this. This will make the games more high stake and emotional which can lead to a stronger atmosphere than in past tourneys. Even previous GSLs didn't have 100k for the winner(~90k or so) so this is one of the biggest payouts in SCII's history for 1st place(Blizzcon was onpar or left, right?). I for one will likely tune in to IEM unless the timing is messed up with my schedule lol.

On January 28 2014 07:25 Darkhoarse wrote:

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Kind of weird to see this from someone who has little to no chance of coming close to that money except maybe by hanging out with Jaedong.

cmon, be nicer even if I do agree with your point lol.

Shinta)

United States1716 Posts

January 27 2014 22:30 GMT

#502

On January 28 2014 07:23 danl9rm wrote:

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Honestly, I don't know how the IEM tourney works. I didn't even know there was a season. However, if the winners of the previous qualifier-tourneys already got paid and this is some 'winner's tourney,' then it's only a matter of being inconsiderate. They should have let the pros know sooner.

What ticks me off most though is just HOW inconsiderate they are being. Basically saying "what? You hate the idea for legitimate reasons? Well, even though you're the reason we make money, we'll fuck you over at the world championship to secure ourselves some dirty, end of the season profit money"

iamcaustic

Canada1509 Posts

January 27 2014 22:30 GMT

#503

I think the SaintSnorlax tweets are my favourite part about the whole thing. I get what IEM is trying to do, but that doesn't make it any less of a bad idea.

Zeon0

Austria2995 Posts

January 27 2014 22:31 GMT

#504

deals like in power inc?

if i play the finals, i go to the other guy and ask if he wanna make 75/25 or 60/40 or something

playa

United States1284 Posts

January 27 2014 22:32 GMT

#505

Tournaments like these are a good reason for players to bet against themselves. Bring back match fixing and agreements. Good times.

shinobi112

19 Posts

January 27 2014 22:32 GMT

#506

To bring up another point, if this tournament does do well, it can bring more interest into the scene, a lot of big heads like to up the stakes when they see once tournament offering a 100,000 prize pool they will look to increase their prize pool as well. NO I am not saying they will do winner takes all format also but they will be more inclined to RAISE their prize pool, just look at other sports, you need competitiveness in the prize pool area to help boost all prize pools.

shinobi112

19 Posts

January 27 2014 22:33 GMT

#507

On January 28 2014 07:30 Shinta) wrote:

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Secure themselves end of season profit? They are a business trying to be profitable? Would you rather they go out of business instead? Seriously? Besides this is a HUGE sum of money they are giving away.

Eliezar

United States481 Posts

January 27 2014 22:34 GMT

#508

Why this is a great decision:

1) It has already generated tons of free publicity. What other tournament gets this much attention?
2) It has a marketable feel to it. "Playing for $100k" sure sounds better than "Playing for $40K, but second gets $20K, so really each have won $20k and they are playing to double it".
3) If their prize pool is $100k this might be the best way to use it for IEMs benefit.

Why this is a bad decision:

1) Pro players are showing up and working and not getting paid.
2) Benefits one individual and everybody else loses
3) SC needs to look towards how tennis or golf reward their players. Wimbledon in 2013 for instance had this structure

23,500 for appearing with more each round
...
105,000 for round of 16
205,000 for round of 8
400,000 for round of 4
800,000 for 2nd
1.6M for 1st

so the 16th round gets about 6.25% of what the winner gets, runner up gets 50% of what the winner gets

Done similarly you are talking $6250 per player that comes. This would make this tournament cost way too much so you would have to drastically lower the total payout. Even at $50k for the winner under a ratio like that you are spending $100k on just the top 4 and then like $24k on the round of 8 losers and then could give $25k appearance money to first round losers. This would cost around $150k for the same prize distribution model with a $50k top prize. But the players would be happy...but IEM may not have that in their budget and it definitely wouldn't have the same marketing appeal.

Darkhorse

United States23455 Posts

January 27 2014 22:35 GMT

#509

On January 28 2014 07:33 shinobi112 wrote:

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Even though I don't agree with this prize pool, I also agree with your point here. The business should be profitable, and they aren't actually decreasing the overall prize pool so they aren't making any more profit than previous years. The last world championship still had a prize pool of 100k, it was just split, so this "dirty, end of season profit money" argument is pretty bad.

Danish3

United States12 Posts

January 27 2014 22:35 GMT

#510

Who ever drops out of this tournament, will just show how cowardly you are, and have no faith in your own game. I know there a plenty of players out there that believe they can win this, and who ever has that mind set, has the best chance of winning this tourny

Darkhorse

United States23455 Posts

January 27 2014 22:37 GMT

#511

On January 28 2014 07:34 Eliezar wrote:
Why this is a great decision:

1) It has already generated tons of free publicity. What other tournament gets this much attention?

There is such thing as bad press, which is certainly at play here.

TeeTS

Germany2762 Posts

January 27 2014 22:38 GMT

#512

This is turning an SC2 tournament into a "cash cow". This is only for the show and will only work short time, because it just fucks up with every but one participating player. We have more and more signs of this being the last year of SC2 as professional esport. We should enjoy it.

Darkhorse

United States23455 Posts

January 27 2014 22:38 GMT

#513

On January 28 2014 07:35 Danish3 wrote:
Who ever drops out of this tournament, will just show how cowardly you are, and have no faith in your own game. I know there a plenty of players out there that believe they can win this, and who ever has that mind set, has the best chance of winning this tourny

No one is going to "drop out" of this tournament, you qualify by making the finals of another IEM event. You're calling out people who don't exist absurdly early for no particular reason.

Skidmeyer

United States10 Posts

January 27 2014 22:38 GMT

#514

I don't understand all the hate for this tournament.....

nkr

Sweden5451 Posts

January 27 2014 22:38 GMT

#515

Probably late to the party, but I liked Sockes idea of only the best caster getting paid :D

WolfintheSheep

Canada14127 Posts

January 27 2014 22:39 GMT

#516

On January 28 2014 07:26 shinobi112 wrote:

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On January 28 2014 04:35 Qwyn wrote:
This is really, really stupid. Thanks for giving all the other competitors in this thing no reward for their efforts whatsoever...

Honestly, what the fuck? This seems like more of the thing where a lot of talent would STAY AWAY just because there's no fucking point if they're just going to lose to a Korean...

Really, you believe any foreigner just says well I am going to lose a Korean, I might as well not go… If you are going to lose to a korean mentality and there are 10 koreans you are not going to participate anyways because you will be knocked out first round before any money anyways… They all are INVITED to this tournament after getting other prize money earlier in the year… THIS is like a BONUS tournament… with a BONUS prize of 100,000 so… All these players already got paid for their efforts.

90% of Tennis players who get to the finals are eliminated by Nadal, Djokovic, or Federer.

They still show up and compete. They are getting exposure, they are getting paid by their sponsors. AND there is a chance they could win.

Aaannd they make much more money than SC2 pros...

AND they make a fuck ton of money from losing to Djokavic.
The problem is not that only a few players have a solid chance at winning, it's that everyone else needs to get paid and get points.
Even if they lose to Djokavic in the first round, they make good money for qualifying and they get good points that will help them get qualified to play the highest level of tournaments (which give a lot of prize money, even to last place, because they are the highest level tournaments).
Can you imagine Rolland Garros or something saying "okay guys, this time we'll fuck around and not give points to anyone, and only give prize money to first place"
Rolland Garros probably wouldn't be a major after that. The association would kick the Rolland Garros out of the majors.

Like I said before, the idea of a winner takes all tournament is fun and cool, but not for a high level tournament. That sort of thing needs to be done as a side event, on a much smaller scale.
That's a lot of prizemoney that a lot of people won't be getting. It's not a joke that you fuck around with.
Imagine if your boss at work said "hey guys, we've been paying everyone steady rates all this time, now let's have some fun and give everyone's wages to whoever is employee of the month!!"

This isn't part time shit. IEM is supposed to be helping sc2 pros maintain something closer to a stable career. WCS can not do it by themselves. Not even close.
And the IEM employee's view on this is what's most disgusting.

No. IEM isn't an employer of SC2 professional gamers nor are they some kind of source of welfare for them. It's a form of entertainment for the viewers. It's their money with the help of sponsors. They get to use it how they want it. It didn't come from the government, gamers' employers, or from any association/organization that advocates a gamers' career.

I don't have an issue with them doing whatever they want with their money.

I just think their reasoning is going to backfire, and it's going to be the biggest joke of a finals when the top 4 all know they're getting an even split of the cash.

Really the top 4 are going to split it? lol how do you know this? You speak with these programers that are going to be in the top 4? If I was in the top 4 I would not split it, why would they? because they doubt their ability to win? That creates a healthy mentality. Even in other events sometimes the dropoff from first to second in pay is huge, whats stopping deal from occurring in these? Players compete to win, they will go for the total money, not sharing it.

I know there's going to be a prize split because that's what happens. It wouldn't be the first time, and it's happened for lesser reasons. There is absolutely no player that is confident enough to give up $50,000 when they could get absolutely nothing.

Maybe not Top 4, but almost assuredly the two finalists.

And prize splitting has happened with other events. But when the distribution is good enough, it's less likely to be put on the table...and when it's players making the offer, they tend to be a lot more even with their splitting.

odaxium

United States356 Posts

January 27 2014 22:39 GMT

#517

A one time, winner take all tournament of this magnitude isn't that bad

IncubusSC

Canada57 Posts

January 27 2014 22:41 GMT

#518

This uproar just goes to show how phobic to change a large portion of this community is. Something unique gets presented and all these people get scared and nestle up inside their little imaginary safety bubbles.

TheBB

Switzerland5133 Posts

January 27 2014 22:42 GMT

#519

If anyone still cares about my opinion after 25 pages, I think this is retarded.

Yes, $100,000 is great. Yes, it's just for one time. Yes, it's only one tournament among many. A reasonable prize money distribution wouldn't interfere with any of those things.

I don't care that it's different and unique. It could be different and unique by having a flatter distribution and I'd be stoked.

Josh_Video

Canada798 Posts

January 27 2014 22:42 GMT

#520

Im usually ok with very top heavy tournaments, but 100k for 1st, 0 for 2nd? thats way to far.

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