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On January 28 2014 07:10 Adebisi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 05:55 Musicus wrote:
I am that guy, who wants an autograph?
But seriously, they need the money and I think they'd split if it's 100k or nothing or they'd be stupid. Missing out on that much money just because they don't like each other? I think they are smarter than that.
If anything. financially well off and competitive people like JD or MC wouldn't split. Yeah, I think they'd split as well!
Haha, thank you Adebisi, never doubted it  . It's hard to argue on twitter without 10.000 followers.
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Come on Taeja, Its pay day! Start 2014 with the gold for terrans everywhere! need to beat 5 so make this No.1
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On January 28 2014 07:13 BirdKiller wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 07:00 Shinta) wrote:On January 28 2014 05:34 tuoli9 wrote:On January 28 2014 05:32 DinoMight wrote:On January 28 2014 04:38 shinobi112 wrote:On January 28 2014 04:35 Qwyn wrote:
This is really, really stupid. Thanks for giving all the other competitors in this thing no reward for their efforts whatsoever...
Honestly, what the fuck? This seems like more of the thing where a lot of talent would STAY AWAY just because there's no fucking point if they're just going to lose to a Korean... Really, you believe any foreigner just says well I am going to lose a Korean, I might as well not go… If you are going to lose to a korean mentality and there are 10 koreans you are not going to participate anyways because you will be knocked out first round before any money anyways… They all are INVITED to this tournament after getting other prize money earlier in the year… THIS is like a BONUS tournament… with a BONUS prize of 100,000 so… All these players already got paid for their efforts. 90% of Tennis players who get to the finals are eliminated by Nadal, Djokovic, or Federer. They still show up and compete. They are getting exposure, they are getting paid by their sponsors. AND there is a chance they could win. Aaannd they make much more money than SC2 pros... AND they make a fuck ton of money from losing to Djokavic. The problem is not that only a few players have a solid chance at winning, it's that everyone else needs to get paid and get points. Even if they lose to Djokavic in the first round, they make good money for qualifying and they get good points that will help them get qualified to play the highest level of tournaments (which give a lot of prize money, even to last place, because they are the highest level tournaments). Can you imagine Rolland Garros or something saying "okay guys, this time we'll fuck around and not give points to anyone, and only give prize money to first place" Rolland Garros probably wouldn't be a major after that. The association would kick the Rolland Garros out of the majors. Like I said before, the idea of a winner takes all tournament is fun and cool, but not for a high level tournament. That sort of thing needs to be done as a side event, on a much smaller scale. That's a lot of prizemoney that a lot of people won't be getting. It's not a joke that you fuck around with. Imagine if your boss at work said "hey guys, we've been paying everyone steady rates all this time, now let's have some fun and give everyone's wages to whoever is employee of the month!!" This isn't part time shit. IEM is supposed to be helping sc2 pros maintain something closer to a stable career. WCS can not do it by themselves. Not even close. And the IEM employee's view on this is what's most disgusting. No. IEM isn't an employer of SC2 professional gamers nor are they some kind of source of welfare for them. It's a form of entertainment for the viewers. It's their money with the help of sponsors. They get to use it how they want it. It didn't come from the government, gamers' employers, or from any association/organization that advocates a gamers' career.
I don't have an issue with them doing whatever they want with their money.
I just think their reasoning is going to backfire, and it's going to be the biggest joke of a finals when the top 4 all know they're getting an even split of the cash.
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A 100k final is super exciting I think. Its like the survivor tv show, the fact that everyone who loses gets nothing makes it really worthwhile to watch.
hopefully Mvp can win it all. I think he needs the cash the most.
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This is craaaaaaaaaazy! I mean its more exciting for me as a viewer but I think the players hate it overall. Anyway- I am looking forward to this!
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So I guess Sniper is somehow the favorite to win IEM WC.
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I just don't get what's good about it. I don't see that it makes the tournament more attractive for anyone just because there's a shot at winning $100k. Getting that #1 spot closer to what moba tournaments have doesn't make an SC2 tournament any more attractive or more competitive. SC2 is already really high variance without distributing prize pools like this.
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On January 28 2014 07:19 Boucot wrote:
So I guess Sniper is somehow the favorite to win IEM WC.
RorO vs. Sniper grand finals.
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On January 28 2014 07:13 BirdKiller wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 07:00 Shinta) wrote:On January 28 2014 05:34 tuoli9 wrote:On January 28 2014 05:32 DinoMight wrote:On January 28 2014 04:38 shinobi112 wrote:On January 28 2014 04:35 Qwyn wrote:
This is really, really stupid. Thanks for giving all the other competitors in this thing no reward for their efforts whatsoever...
Honestly, what the fuck? This seems like more of the thing where a lot of talent would STAY AWAY just because there's no fucking point if they're just going to lose to a Korean... Really, you believe any foreigner just says well I am going to lose a Korean, I might as well not go… If you are going to lose to a korean mentality and there are 10 koreans you are not going to participate anyways because you will be knocked out first round before any money anyways… They all are INVITED to this tournament after getting other prize money earlier in the year… THIS is like a BONUS tournament… with a BONUS prize of 100,000 so… All these players already got paid for their efforts. 90% of Tennis players who get to the finals are eliminated by Nadal, Djokovic, or Federer. They still show up and compete. They are getting exposure, they are getting paid by their sponsors. AND there is a chance they could win. Aaannd they make much more money than SC2 pros... AND they make a fuck ton of money from losing to Djokavic. The problem is not that only a few players have a solid chance at winning, it's that everyone else needs to get paid and get points. Even if they lose to Djokavic in the first round, they make good money for qualifying and they get good points that will help them get qualified to play the highest level of tournaments (which give a lot of prize money, even to last place, because they are the highest level tournaments). Can you imagine Rolland Garros or something saying "okay guys, this time we'll fuck around and not give points to anyone, and only give prize money to first place" Rolland Garros probably wouldn't be a major after that. The association would kick the Rolland Garros out of the majors. Like I said before, the idea of a winner takes all tournament is fun and cool, but not for a high level tournament. That sort of thing needs to be done as a side event, on a much smaller scale. That's a lot of prizemoney that a lot of people won't be getting. It's not a joke that you fuck around with. Imagine if your boss at work said "hey guys, we've been paying everyone steady rates all this time, now let's have some fun and give everyone's wages to whoever is employee of the month!!" This isn't part time shit. IEM is supposed to be helping sc2 pros maintain something closer to a stable career. WCS can not do it by themselves. Not even close. And the IEM employee's view on this is what's most disgusting. No. IEM isn't an employer of SC2 professional gamers nor are they some kind of source of welfare for them. It's a form of entertainment for the viewers. It's their money with the help of sponsors. They get to use it how they want it. It didn't come from the government, gamers' employers, or from any association/organization that advocates a gamers' career.
But guess what, it fucks over the gamers whom the tournament counts on to get viewers and sponsors.
Regardless of the argument you try to pull, it's never good enough to support IEM's decision here.
Like I said before, the idea is cool, but this is not how you execute it.
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On January 28 2014 07:20 NovaMB wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 07:19 Boucot wrote:
So I guess Sniper is somehow the favorite to win IEM WC. RorO vs. Sniper grand finals.
More like MvP vs Sniper
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Now you guys can see more progamers coming out in favor of the idea, this is a huge opportunity for them! Yes, some people disagree as with everything in life… but this provides one of the BEST opportunities for korean players, look at the international payout, the sc2 scene just does not have THAT kind of money to throw around where even 2nd 3rd and the rest make nice money
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On January 28 2014 07:12 Epamynondas wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 07:10 danl9rm wrote:
I'm not seeing the huge problem here. If you dislike the tournament, don't sign up. It seems just that simple.
This point kind of falls flat since IEM is like halfway through their season though, no?
Honestly, I don't know how the IEM tourney works. I didn't even know there was a season. However, if the winners of the previous qualifier-tourneys already got paid and this is some 'winner's tourney,' then it's only a matter of being inconsiderate. They should have let the pros know sooner.
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On January 28 2014 07:10 Kergy wrote:
better one
Kind of weird to see this from someone who has little to no chance of coming close to that money except maybe by hanging out with Jaedong.
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On January 28 2014 06:52 styleworks79 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 06:13 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
More i think about this IEM, more i like it lol.
It's like Hunger Games but without any deaths.
Good job, Carmac. Lmao, i'm even considering trip to Poland now. you are clearly not a real fan of the sc scene and your comparison proved it well. are you kidding me? hunger games? wow, just wow. we have tons of financial dramas within the sc2 scene, and that means it's a struggle already for many players. winner takes all is pretty much discounting those pros that puts in hard work, and their passion towards the game. you are entitle to your opinion, but hunger games? c'mon broski.
I think it was a good comparison honestly, IEM is grateful enough to support the SC2 community and with that much money at stake, just as much as the winner got at blizzcon, very respectable. It is no ones problem for the players struggle, you should not have become a pro gamer if you know you cant come to top 10 finishes in events, just depending on making through easier qualifiers and to get the pity 200$-1000$ gift most of the time tournaments give out isn't the way to go. Its like the superbowl, the winner will feel freaking awesome, while the loser will feel like the whole season is wasted, *E-SPORTS*.
If you can't come first place in tournaments like this, dont bother trying to go, simple as that. Look for easier smaller tournaments with less hype.
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On January 28 2014 07:20 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 07:13 BirdKiller wrote:On January 28 2014 07:00 Shinta) wrote:On January 28 2014 05:34 tuoli9 wrote:On January 28 2014 05:32 DinoMight wrote:On January 28 2014 04:38 shinobi112 wrote:On January 28 2014 04:35 Qwyn wrote:
This is really, really stupid. Thanks for giving all the other competitors in this thing no reward for their efforts whatsoever...
Honestly, what the fuck? This seems like more of the thing where a lot of talent would STAY AWAY just because there's no fucking point if they're just going to lose to a Korean... Really, you believe any foreigner just says well I am going to lose a Korean, I might as well not go… If you are going to lose to a korean mentality and there are 10 koreans you are not going to participate anyways because you will be knocked out first round before any money anyways… They all are INVITED to this tournament after getting other prize money earlier in the year… THIS is like a BONUS tournament… with a BONUS prize of 100,000 so… All these players already got paid for their efforts. 90% of Tennis players who get to the finals are eliminated by Nadal, Djokovic, or Federer. They still show up and compete. They are getting exposure, they are getting paid by their sponsors. AND there is a chance they could win. Aaannd they make much more money than SC2 pros... AND they make a fuck ton of money from losing to Djokavic. The problem is not that only a few players have a solid chance at winning, it's that everyone else needs to get paid and get points. Even if they lose to Djokavic in the first round, they make good money for qualifying and they get good points that will help them get qualified to play the highest level of tournaments (which give a lot of prize money, even to last place, because they are the highest level tournaments). Can you imagine Rolland Garros or something saying "okay guys, this time we'll fuck around and not give points to anyone, and only give prize money to first place" Rolland Garros probably wouldn't be a major after that. The association would kick the Rolland Garros out of the majors. Like I said before, the idea of a winner takes all tournament is fun and cool, but not for a high level tournament. That sort of thing needs to be done as a side event, on a much smaller scale. That's a lot of prizemoney that a lot of people won't be getting. It's not a joke that you fuck around with. Imagine if your boss at work said "hey guys, we've been paying everyone steady rates all this time, now let's have some fun and give everyone's wages to whoever is employee of the month!!" This isn't part time shit. IEM is supposed to be helping sc2 pros maintain something closer to a stable career. WCS can not do it by themselves. Not even close. And the IEM employee's view on this is what's most disgusting. No. IEM isn't an employer of SC2 professional gamers nor are they some kind of source of welfare for them. It's a form of entertainment for the viewers. It's their money with the help of sponsors. They get to use it how they want it. It didn't come from the government, gamers' employers, or from any association/organization that advocates a gamers' career. But guess what, it fucks over the gamers whom the tournament counts on to get viewers and sponsors. Regardless of the argument you try to pull, it's never good enough to support IEM's decision here. Like I said before, the idea is cool, but this is not how you execute it.
It doesn't fuck over any one.
Players are being told WAY in advance that these are the terms of the tournament. If players don't like it, they don't have to go.
Losing out on an opportunity for easy money by just qualifying for a tournament and being fucked over are two COMPLETELY different things.
Plenty of players are going to jump at this chance for big money and plenty of people are going to watch due to the stakes. No one is being fucked over. People just love to complain.
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On January 28 2014 07:17 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 07:13 BirdKiller wrote:On January 28 2014 07:00 Shinta) wrote:On January 28 2014 05:34 tuoli9 wrote:On January 28 2014 05:32 DinoMight wrote:On January 28 2014 04:38 shinobi112 wrote:On January 28 2014 04:35 Qwyn wrote:
This is really, really stupid. Thanks for giving all the other competitors in this thing no reward for their efforts whatsoever...
Honestly, what the fuck? This seems like more of the thing where a lot of talent would STAY AWAY just because there's no fucking point if they're just going to lose to a Korean... Really, you believe any foreigner just says well I am going to lose a Korean, I might as well not go… If you are going to lose to a korean mentality and there are 10 koreans you are not going to participate anyways because you will be knocked out first round before any money anyways… They all are INVITED to this tournament after getting other prize money earlier in the year… THIS is like a BONUS tournament… with a BONUS prize of 100,000 so… All these players already got paid for their efforts. 90% of Tennis players who get to the finals are eliminated by Nadal, Djokovic, or Federer. They still show up and compete. They are getting exposure, they are getting paid by their sponsors. AND there is a chance they could win. Aaannd they make much more money than SC2 pros... AND they make a fuck ton of money from losing to Djokavic. The problem is not that only a few players have a solid chance at winning, it's that everyone else needs to get paid and get points. Even if they lose to Djokavic in the first round, they make good money for qualifying and they get good points that will help them get qualified to play the highest level of tournaments (which give a lot of prize money, even to last place, because they are the highest level tournaments). Can you imagine Rolland Garros or something saying "okay guys, this time we'll fuck around and not give points to anyone, and only give prize money to first place" Rolland Garros probably wouldn't be a major after that. The association would kick the Rolland Garros out of the majors. Like I said before, the idea of a winner takes all tournament is fun and cool, but not for a high level tournament. That sort of thing needs to be done as a side event, on a much smaller scale. That's a lot of prizemoney that a lot of people won't be getting. It's not a joke that you fuck around with. Imagine if your boss at work said "hey guys, we've been paying everyone steady rates all this time, now let's have some fun and give everyone's wages to whoever is employee of the month!!" This isn't part time shit. IEM is supposed to be helping sc2 pros maintain something closer to a stable career. WCS can not do it by themselves. Not even close. And the IEM employee's view on this is what's most disgusting. No. IEM isn't an employer of SC2 professional gamers nor are they some kind of source of welfare for them. It's a form of entertainment for the viewers. It's their money with the help of sponsors. They get to use it how they want it. It didn't come from the government, gamers' employers, or from any association/organization that advocates a gamers' career. I don't have an issue with them doing whatever they want with their money. I just think their reasoning is going to backfire, and it's going to be the biggest joke of a finals when the top 4 all know they're getting an even split of the cash.
Really the top 4 are going to split it? lol how do you know this? You speak with these programers that are going to be in the top 4? If I was in the top 4 I would not split it, why would they? because they doubt their ability to win? That creates a healthy mentality. Even in other events sometimes the dropoff from first to second in pay is huge, whats stopping deal from occurring in these? Players compete to win, they will go for the total money, not sharing it.
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I think for the finals they should stack $100,000 in cash on the table like they do in certain poker tournaments.
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On January 28 2014 07:10 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 07:10 danl9rm wrote:
I'm not seeing the huge problem here. If you dislike the tournament, don't sign up. It seems just that simple.
If you decided you wanted to host a $200k tournament and it was winner-take-all, it would your prerogative, right? You're not looking at anything but words. Try putting the pieces together. If you don't find a problem, then you've get a problem.
Fantastic argument. You can never lose. If I don't see it your way, I have a problem?
You must know lots of people with lots of problems.
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Everyone saying so and so does not even have a chance is just flat out wrong also, anyone can have a chance, this tournament is still far away to tell who may be looking the best or even how the meta game will change and what changes Blizzard will make to the game by the tournaments beginning.
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It will create a crazy tournament. That is for sure, I feel bad for the players here though.
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