EPTI think this is gonna make the games much more intense because literally a single game is the difference between 100k and nothing. Should be interesting.
IEM World Championship to be Winner Takes All for $100,000…
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Stress
United States980 Posts
I think this is gonna make the games much more intense because literally a single game is the difference between 100k and nothing. Should be interesting. | ||
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Danish3
United States12 Posts
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Nyarly
France1030 Posts
I'm not a player though so it's easy for me to say that. | ||
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dogmeatstew
Canada574 Posts
On January 28 2014 06:48 Darkhoarse wrote: It's possible that you have no soul. There's going to be more at stake for the players, but think of it as if Jaedong didn't win any money after losing to sOs. That would've gotten some serious community outrage. Esports might have a little bit to much fixation on how much money people win, and not enough on players actually giving a shit about winning like you do in traditional sports... Obviously this has something to do with gamers not making millions a year just for being on a team, but you're not going to see the loosing team of the superbowl this weekend bitching about how they didn't get the $40k/player bonus they would have gotten if they won. | ||
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tribulator
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Kergy
Peru2011 Posts
gonna be fun to watch :D | ||
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ratty
New Zealand275 Posts
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styleworks79
United States127 Posts
On January 28 2014 06:13 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: More i think about this IEM, more i like it lol. It's like Hunger Games but without any deaths. Good job, Carmac. Lmao, i'm even considering trip to Poland now. you are clearly not a real fan of the sc scene and your comparison proved it well. are you kidding me? hunger games? wow, just wow. we have tons of financial dramas within the sc2 scene, and that means it's a struggle already for many players. winner takes all is pretty much discounting those pros that puts in hard work, and their passion towards the game. you are entitle to your opinion, but hunger games? c'mon broski. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
More likely is the top 2 (or even top 4-8) are all going to agree to split the money in some fairly even fashio, and you get a finals where very few fucks are given. | ||
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ffadicted
United States3545 Posts
On January 28 2014 06:51 dogmeatstew wrote: Esports might have a little bit to much fixation on how much money people win, and not enough on players actually giving a shit about winning like you do in traditional sports... Obviously this has something to do with gamers not making millions a year just for being on a team, but you're not going to see the loosing team of the superbowl this weekend bitching about how they didn't get the $40k/player bonus they would have gotten if they won. You answered your own question there lol 40K bonus when you're making 10 million is laughably irrelevant 40K bonus when you're making minimum age is a pretty massive deal | ||
Carmac
Poland375 Posts
On January 28 2014 06:36 Ammanas wrote: @Carmac, Kennigit, Redeye or whoever else from IEM reading this thread: When I try to buy tickets for Katowice, day2 and 3 are not available. Already sold out or only 1 ticket for all 3 days (40 zlotych)? Entry is free overall. IIRC there's going to be one more ticket batch and then that's it. | ||
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jakethesnake
Canada4948 Posts
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
On January 28 2014 04:34 shinobi112 wrote: What motivation if you know your going to get second or third? Who goes into a tournament thinking I am only going to get second or third? This encourages players to perform at their highest level for a great grand prize, 100,000 can make a players year or even TWO years. If a cheeser ends up winning that is the fault of the other players… Again this is only for the finals of the whole year… How is it fair if the top 4 get money and the other 12 get nothing? They came to compete also!! The money is not for everyone, it is for the BEST. A lot of people, in every individual sport. Tennis and golf for instance are filled with professional players who are very good but generally not able to contend with the top few in the world, but we still see them playing lots of tournaments every year because it's what they enjoy, it's what they're good at, and because they make enough money through sponsorships and whatever share of the prize money they get to continue playing and working at becoming better. Having that middle ground between getting all the money and getting nothing is very important because it makes it a more feasible option for people. Everyone may want to be the best, and everyone may be working to be the best, but the reality is only a select very few are ever going to actually achieve it. And if those few are the only ones able to financially sustain a career, how is that going to help foster new talent or keep current middling pros or up and comers interested in playing? All it does is put the most successful players in a position to continue being successful while everyone else has to battle for scraps and wonder what the hell they've gotten themselves into, and worry about what they're going to do with themselves after their foray into progaming is over. TLDR version if you want a healthy scene that can attract new talent, you gotta make sure people are getting paid enough to make it worth their time, even if they're not the ones collecting the trophies. | ||
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TheFlexN
Israel472 Posts
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
On January 28 2014 06:52 styleworks79 wrote: you are clearly not a real fan of the sc scene and your comparison proved it well. are you kidding me? hunger games? wow, just wow. we have tons of financial dramas within the sc2 scene, and that means it's a struggle already for many players. winner takes all is pretty much discounting those pros that puts in hard work, and their passion towards the game. you are entitle to your opinion, but hunger games? c'mon broski. rofl. SC scene cannot be sustained on tournament prize money forever. The players should be paid by their teams, if the are supposed to be called professionals. They are WORKING for their team, so they should receive salary. If they are not satisfied with their salary, they should either find a different employer or a different job. That's how it works in the world. In most real sports, tournaments and leagues are more about prestige than prize money. I mean sure, Champion's League has a big prize pool, but that's just a change for a team like Manchester United. Same goes for any other league you can imagine - NHL, olympics, NFL, FIFA World Cup etc etc... | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
On January 28 2014 06:48 Darkhoarse wrote: It's possible that you have no soul. There's going to be more at stake for the players, but think of it as if Jaedong didn't win any money after losing to sOs. That would've gotten some serious community outrage. Oh please. If that's going to be your argument, let's not even HAVE tournaments. Let's just pay people regular salaries for just being popular and completely forgo tournaments as the means to an income. When Jaedong lost to sOs I didn't care one iota, he got outplayed by a superior opponent and lost. The only money he was ENTITLED to was the money he had won for defeating the opponents before him as per the terms of the WCS tournament. This tournament is no different. If players don't like the winner take all tournament, they can opt out from attending. It doesn't matter. The tournament will fill up anyway, with or without them because for every popular player bitching that they aren't going to get paid for second or sixteenth place there's 3 more lining up to qualify for their shot at 100 thousand dollars. | ||
Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On January 28 2014 06:51 dogmeatstew wrote: Esports might have a little bit to much fixation on how much money people win, and not enough on players actually giving a shit about winning like you do in traditional sports... Obviously this has something to do with gamers not making millions a year just for being on a team, but you're not going to see the loosing team of the superbowl this weekend bitching about how they didn't get the $40k/player bonus they would have gotten if they won. That is a god awful example considering any starter on a professional american football team makes over 500k per year playing for the worst teams in the league and has no issue making a living. And your argument about "players not giving a shit" is ridiculous. As if players were okay with their 1k 8th/16th payout when there is a 25k grand prize. But that money does help keep them afloat and motivated to practice. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
I can't really understand why pepole are against this - it is a fucking competition. Or have you already forgotten, what a competition is? This is just the what the "everyone is a winner" attitude of modern western world does to people. | ||
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
On January 28 2014 06:56 Carmac wrote: Entry is free overall. IIRC there's going to be one more ticket batch and then that's it. RIght, I understand it's free overall but considering I am traveling from Slovakia, I would rather have a ticket tbh! I heard from my co-worker that last year it was sometimes hard to get in... So the question is, is the one ticket for 40zl covering the whole event or every day has separate ticket for 40zl? | ||
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On January 28 2014 05:34 tuoli9 wrote: Aaannd they make much more money than SC2 pros... AND they make a fuck ton of money from losing to Djokavic. The problem is not that only a few players have a solid chance at winning, it's that everyone else needs to get paid and get points. Even if they lose to Djokavic in the first round, they make good money for qualifying and they get good points that will help them get qualified to play the highest level of tournaments (which give a lot of prize money, even to last place, because they are the highest level tournaments). Can you imagine Rolland Garros or something saying "okay guys, this time we'll fuck around and not give points to anyone, and only give prize money to first place" Rolland Garros probably wouldn't be a major after that. The association would kick the Rolland Garros out of the majors. Like I said before, the idea of a winner takes all tournament is fun and cool, but not for a high level tournament. That sort of thing needs to be done as a side event, on a much smaller scale. That's a lot of prizemoney that a lot of people won't be getting. It's not a joke that you fuck around with. Imagine if your boss at work said "hey guys, we've been paying everyone steady rates all this time, now let's have some fun and give everyone's wages to whoever is employee of the month!!" This isn't part time shit. IEM is supposed to be helping sc2 pros maintain something closer to a stable career. WCS can not do it by themselves. Not even close. And the IEM employee's view on this is what's most disgusting. | ||
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