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ThePlagueJG
Sweden1010 Posts
On January 28 2014 06:30 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: I prefer Nani or sOs jumping :D Or Parting with some weird ceremony. But smiling herO will make finals a bit more fun for runner-up i guess. Need more Mvp smile! | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On January 28 2014 06:30 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: I prefer Nani or sOs jumping :D Or Parting with some weird ceremony. But smiling herO will make finals a bit more fun for runner-up i guess. Pretty sure herO would at least do some backflips or something  . | ||
Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
Yes it might push the players to the limit, but FWIW that's pretty much what they do all the time already.. (well, except a few of them...). | ||
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
Putting everything on the line for 100k or go home with nothing, can't wait to watch lol | ||
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
When I try to buy tickets for Katowice, day2 and 3 are not available. Already sold out or only 1 ticket for all 3 days (40 zlotych)? | ||
Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On January 28 2014 06:28 Ammanas wrote: But this is not a competition with dark horse-fan favourites etc. These are all event winners. These are players that already ARE at the top... 10 winners and runner ups are going and then there are 6 players invited or get in through online qualifiers according to liquipedia. You're going to tell me that all of those 16 players will be the top 16 players who are stable financially? | ||
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viasacra89
United States134 Posts
On January 28 2014 06:01 KingofdaHipHop wrote: I think you're missing Socke's point. Progaming isn't just a hobby for these competitors, it is a job. They spend hours every day practicing so that they can go to tournaments and compete as best they can. e-Sports is NOT a very sustainable environment and only a very small percentage of progamers actually make enough money in prize winnings to make this a sustainable jobs. What IEM is doing with Katowice is frankly disrespecting the players' time and effort that they pour into a job by only heavily rewarding the player that manages to make it all the way. Socke is saying that if you're going to reward the best player and disrespect the hard work of all the other competitors, why not as well do the same for the staff? Only ONE can win after all, and for a lot of players, getting to the finals, the semis, or even the quarterfinals is a great accomplishment that a lot of their hard work has been put into, and not being rewarded AT ALL for it? It creates a toxic attitude and doesn't help out the Starcraft scene in any conceivable way. You use the word toxic way too liberally. There is nothing "toxic" about the attitude. Creating an atmosphere of hyper competitiveness is in no way "toxic" as long as everyone behaves well and respects each other. The tournaments are there to appeal to the AUDIENCE, not the players and casters. If anything, an occasional tournament like this will help. And while this may be a job to the pro-gamers, their employers are the teams, not the tournaments. If they are being underpaid by the teams, getting a good ranking in the tournament, regardless of how much they make (from tournaments), should get them a better salary. If the teams don't have enough money, it's not the tournaments fault, so why pile blame on them? And yes, while things aren't ideal at this time, with alot of players barely scraping by, piling blame and pressure on the tournament creators isn't going to fix the problem (bitching when tournaments won't take initiative, yet also bitching when they won't take community advice is "retarded") . Yes people, pro-gaming is a job, but no matter what job you have, you have competition, sometimes to a cut-throat level. No matter what job you have, if you are an employee there are times when it will be unfair, there will be favorites, and there will be chances that your employer might not be able to take. The team infrastructure needs to be fixed, not the tournaments. And players need to think about this realistically too. In any other job, if you had an employer who paid late, you would leave or sue (granted, you can't always leave the job, but there are also times you can). Tournaments should be EXTRA money, a bonus, not the main source of income. If we, as a community, can help in any way, our efforts should be focused on improving the teams themselves. | ||
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malady
United States600 Posts
I hope who ever wins does not split the money =p | ||
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ssxsilver
United States4409 Posts
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Epamynondas
387 Posts
I guess my point didn't exactly connect. In a tournament, at each step you're competing against a single person and with a well-defined set of rules, and it lasts a set amount of time as well. In the "caster competition", every caster is competing agains every other caster all the time, without any given rules, and without a given organization watching over a competition. A sports tournament is not the same as the competition for a job, and the fact that some teams might have hired players based on a tournament says nothing against that point. Sorry for being a moron. | ||
nimdil
Poland3748 Posts
On January 28 2014 05:21 Carmac wrote: If you like flat prize distributions, you should send your best players to events that have them. With prize pool distribution like 75/20/5 it would be as impressive but it wouldn't be so much disappointing. | ||
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Yorkie
United States12612 Posts
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PaeZ
Mexico1627 Posts
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
On January 28 2014 06:36 Darkhoarse wrote: 10 winners and runner ups are going and then there are 6 players invited or get in through online qualifiers according to liquipedia. You're going to tell me that all of those 16 players will be the top 16 players who are stable financially? Well, they better be as it is world finals... | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On January 28 2014 06:40 Ammanas wrote: Well, they better be as it is world finals... Yeah make sure you don't win the online qualifiers if you aren't financially stable in your pro gaming career... | ||
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Deleted User 146783
5 Posts
Also for the viewers i think the finals will be mush more interesting, just because there is more at stake for the player. I don´t think that it is the tournaments responsibility to feed money to the players. It is their own responsibility by winning as much as they can. And come on. Why are you talking about how the loser is going to feel? you should be sad if you lose. | ||
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
On January 28 2014 06:42 Darkhoarse wrote: Yeah make sure you don't win the online qualifiers if you aren't financially stable in your pro gaming career... I certainly hope there won't be any foreigner only qualifiers, that would be just the waste of a tournament spot and spectator's time. And if you are Korean good enough to win such spot, you are most probably either on foreign team with good enough salary or in Kespa team where you are still probably paid good enough (even after salary cuts). Or Startale. But I can imagine Curious and Life have good enough income anyway. | ||
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dogmeatstew
Canada574 Posts
On January 28 2014 06:31 chaos021 wrote: That's the exactly the problem in my opinion. How often do you see someone get cheesed out of the game because their opponent clearly knew they weren't going to make it with macro play. That's fine and all either way, but I don't get excited by that sort of dynamic, no matter how it shakes out. .... The problem I have is that I don't think this format will help find the best player or help the SC2 scene as a whole. I don't see why it's a huge issue, you get an expense payed trip to try and win 100k, I imagine with the winner takes all setup we might see some weird risky shit from players, and people playing super safe expecting to be cheesed out... which adds excitement. Secondly, tournaments aren't actually about finding the best SC2 player and paying them accordingly, its about someone performing on the day of, and providing entertainment. Hopefully it mixes up the feel of the tournament. I mean really, if for whatever reason they invited my plat league ass to this tournament, you had better believe I would go, and cheese my hardest every game... a near zero % chance at $100k in a weekend is still a non zero chance at $100k in a weekend, sounds like a deal to me. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On January 28 2014 06:43 Slurk wrote: This is awesome. Think that there needs to more at stake for the players. This may be an overreaction, but i think it is better than giving money to the player who finishes at 16th place. Also for the viewers i think the finals will be mush more interesting, just because there is more at stake for the player. I don´t think that it is the tournaments responsibility to feed money to the players. It is their own responsibility by winning as much as they can. And come on. Why are you talking about how the loser is going to feel? you should be sad if you lose. It's possible that you have no soul. There's going to be more at stake for the players, but think of it as if Jaedong didn't win any money after losing to sOs. That would've gotten some serious community outrage. | ||
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