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Austria24417 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Waxangel/misc/lygfbanner.jpg) Banner picture totally unrelated; Photo by silverfire
With new Korean recruits like Genius and backed by a to-be-announced sponsor, Team Love Your Girlfriend looks to make a late splash in the StarCraft 2 scene.
Just a month ago, LoveYourGirlfriend was not a team most people had heard of. That all changed when they abruptly announced the signings of Korean players like Genius, Tassadar, and Mamuri when every other team seemed to be trimming their rosters.
The same question was on everyone's mind: What the hell was going on? When did a previous unknown team get such a huge roster of players?
To learn more about this mystery team and their intentions, I e-sat down with Pascal Anton, the owner and co-founder of LYGF, and James "FosTA" Foster, LYGF's SC2 Manager.
DarkLordOlli: Talk to me a bit about your team origins and where you came from in SC2.
Pascal Anton (owner and co-founder): I started LYGF with a friend of mine during the HotS beta, as a clan. When Pulse eSports was about to disband, we merged with them. That's where James came in. That merging was a big boost for both parties.
DLO: You've recently turned heads with a few big signings. What made you decide to take that big step forward into the competitive scene? Is it a passion project or are you looking for a return?
Pascal: Let's say it started as a business idea that I was passionate about (laughs). I'm definitely looking to make a return with it eventually but for now, the players have to be happy first. I didn't go into it inexperienced, I do have my own business and invested my money into LYGF.
James "FosTA" Foster (SC2 Manager): I was on LgN before they fused with FXO so this is not the first team I'm working on. It's definitely a passion project for me.
DLO: A big question that pops up whenever a rather unknown team starts signing player is "are they being paid?". And if so, "where's the money coming from?". Can you talk me through that?
Pascal: I was actually a bit surprised that people were saying that we came out of nowhere. We've been around for a good 5-6 months, even paying players for that amount of time. But we found an investor that is going to fund the entire professional team. Which means I won't have to invest any money anymore.
DLO: Now, about the signings themselves. You recently announced the addition of players like Genius, Tassadar, Mamuri and Bubble to your professional roster. How do you decide who to sign?
James: The main goal was always to establish a team that's able to compete in teamleagues such as ATC for example. And we'd been looking to sign a big Korean player for a while to really define ourselves as a professional team. But at the same time we were looking out for "middle tier" Koreans in the Korean GM league who we thought had potential.
Our translator "Kidding" used to live in Korea and he knows a lot of professional Korean players well. He's familiar with a lot of talented players and was able to help us decide who to approach. From there on we looked at our budget and asked ourselves what we could offer to who, and so on. There's always an idea, a dream in mind before we break down the possibilities and so forth. We work out a business plan for each player that contains what we can offer them and what goals we have in mind for that specific player.
Pascal: Oh and Motok. People should be talking about him a lot more because he's really, really good. But people seem to forget him a lot when talking about our signings.
James: Yeah, definitely watch out for Motok.
DLO: How did you eventually make contact with these players?
James: That was different for all of them. For Genius for example it took us about a month to contact him and talk to him about joining our team. He'd been teamless for a while so we'd been interested in signing him. We had to ask our way through a few Koreans to eventually reach him. He was immediately interested but requested that his friend, Sia (previously on NSHS and Zenith) could join as well. We were never going to say no to that opportunity.
Tassadar's story is different, him and Pascal have been friends for a while. They talk a lot and have been keeping in touch. One day Tassadar messaged Pascal, he said he was interested in our team. He was on fOu back then though so we told him that joining would be impossible right now. He knew about that of course so the conversation didn't bear fruit at first. We're not the sort of team that would try to steal players away from someone else. A day later however, fOu disbanded so we immediately got back to Tassadar and talked about it again.
DLO: An important thing for any team out there is definitely creating an image, a profile for yourself. There's teams that define themselves through their results in teamleagues and individual leagues and there's teams that are more focused on being close to the community and focusing on creating content. What type of team is LYGF going to be?
Pascal: We're really trying to do both of them. If you think about it, one really helps the other and both are equally important, at the very least from a business perspective. For example we're going to have a new website going up very soon, we're getting our players to stream a lot more (the Koreans too!) and we're going to have an AMaA on Reddit to clear up almost everything. We're trying to be active on Twitter as well as Facebook to stay in touch with the community.
DLO: An ask me almost everything?
James: Well, we wouldn't like to go into details about contracts for example.
DLO: So what happens if a girl joins the team?
James: Nothing would really change, we just hope that... if she had a significant other that she would love them.
DLO: No LYBF tag?
Pascal: Someone already took that so no (laughs).
DLO: Got it. Now for the fun part. Any shoutouts, where can people follow you? All that fun stuff.
James: You can follow us on Twitter @LYGFsc2 and on Facebook at www.facebook.com/LoveYourGirlfriend. There's also a Youtube channel to check out (youtube.com/lygfsc2). Thanks to sc2replaystats.com and to our new sponsor who's going to be announced very soon. So stay tuned!
Pascal: And definitely tune into some of our players' streams. For example, you can watch Genius at twitch.tv/genius3016 and Tassadar at twitch.tv/tassadarfou.
If everything goes the way LYGF says and hopes, then they have a bright future. However, by now we know it's all too easy for things to go awry in esports. All that remains is to wait and see what happens.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
If you don't like the team icon you probably don't love your gf just saying
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<3,
Thank you for the interview!
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What if investor would suddenly stop sponsoring?..........
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The fact that they are open to doing this kind of interview and seem relatively transparent about where they came from and so on already bodes well for them. I don't remember new Quantic or other startup teams doing something similar if they crashed after. Looking for bright things from them!
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Another mysterious investor that sponsors a team. I don't see this going well.
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On January 04 2014 05:38 Fearest wrote:
Another mysterious investor that sponsors a team. I don't see this going well.
Exactly what I was just thinking..
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Austria24417 Posts
I don't think it's going to be mysterious for long.
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On January 04 2014 05:34 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
What if investor would suddenly stop sponsoring?..........
Then we have Quantic 1.0.
Or the main guy would put his money back into it.
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On January 04 2014 05:39 TR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 05:38 Fearest wrote:
Another mysterious investor that sponsors a team. I don't see this going well. Exactly what I was just thinking..
Azuwho? But seriously I hope that this is something that will last, having teams that pay players outside of ATC/Proleague/GSTL caliber is really telling that there is a lot going on in the scene under the most visible surface. And by that I mean more possibilities and support for larger number of players should correlate to larger scene, right?
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United States33175 Posts
More than a few teams in SC2 have been run fully or partly out of the owner's pocket, Quantic was just a really terrible demonstration of what can happen in a worst case scenario
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I wasn't even aware of the signing of Genius. I feel like such a bad fan...
Still on the edge about things, especially after all the recent team controversies. I really hope things go well for this team though.
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Why would a sponsor stays in the shadow, it's the complete opposite of what sponsoring means.
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the name of the team still shockes me, but that is probably only me 
Anyways just wondering why would a investor want to be mysterious? what will he gain of funding a sc2 team anonymous?
or am i just reading stuff wrong 
anyways GL to LYGF and their new members
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I hope this mysterious investor works out for LYGF!
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On January 04 2014 05:39 TR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 05:38 Fearest wrote:
Another mysterious investor that sponsors a team. I don't see this going well. Exactly what I was just thinking..
Ditto. I have a bad feeling about this...
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 04 2014 05:26 DarkLordOlli wrote:
and to our new sponsor who's going to be announced very soon. So stay tuned!
I don't know guys but to me this sounds like "We'll tell you momentarily"
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On January 04 2014 05:51 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 05:26 DarkLordOlli wrote:
and to our new sponsor who's going to be announced very soon. So stay tuned!
I don't know guys but to me this sounds like "We'll tell you momentarily"
To me it sounds like "we're sponsored by Azubu, but we're still trying to figure out how to phrase it."
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On January 04 2014 05:48 Faust852 wrote:
Why would a sponsor stays in the shadow, it's the complete opposite of what sponsoring means.
An investor isn't a sponsor.
They seem to have a guy who invested into the team.
And then they got a sponsor they are about to announce.
The investor doesn't need to reveal themselves, and they might have reasons for not doing so (e.g. avoiding having others asking for money etc)
Still not really a great piece of news given what just happened with Quantic though, but really we shouldn't assume every investor is going to screw people over just because one guy did very recently.
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Really interesting, let's see how this will turn out. Best of luck!
Edit: Also thanks for the interview Olli! Everybody should follow him at @OlliHP!
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On January 04 2014 05:48 Faust852 wrote:
Why would a sponsor stays in the shadow, it's the complete opposite of what sponsoring means.
Gotta wait for the right time to announce it. Probably want to wait for the website update they spoke about to be completed and stuff. Want to put the best foot forward, ya know?
Announcing that there's a 100% sponsor is big but doesn't require that the sponsor be revealed to earn the hype.
On the other hand, it could mean that the sponsor is planning on making their money back on earnings percentages, which would probably end up looking negatively on them, or require that they just don't need to ever be known. "Hey, I'll pay your living expenses, travel, etc, but I want 10% of all your winnings" could be a really good deal for a pro gamer, and a really good deal for a sponsor with a lot of faith in the team. I'm almost completely sure this isn't the case, but just kinda devil's advocating it.
An investor isn't a sponsor.
They seem to have a guy who invested into the team.
And then they got a sponsor they are about to announce.
The investor doesn't need to reveal themselves, and they might have reasons for not doing so (e.g. avoiding having others asking for money etc)
Just wanted to address this too. An investor implies that there's an investment being made. Investors are sponsors, they're really synonymous for all intents and purposes in this case. In fact, I'd argue that if there is any difference, sponsors don't necessarily expect anything in return, they're simply providing the team a way to get by. Investors by name alone imply that they plan on getting something out of it.
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On January 04 2014 05:48 Faust852 wrote:
Why would a sponsor stays in the shadow, it's the complete opposite of what sponsoring means.
I heard that they are going to announce the main sponson in a few days.
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Lol'd at the banner picture completely unrelated
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On January 04 2014 05:59 Aeromi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 05:48 Faust852 wrote:
Why would a sponsor stays in the shadow, it's the complete opposite of what sponsoring means. I heard that they are going to announce the main sponson in a few days.
Larry Flynt of Hustler Magazine
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Cool !! You guys deserve it!
I will be cheering for your success!
GL LYGF!
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I'm always a bit suspicious when I hear this kind of " We found a guy that will give all the money " thing, especially in esport. Always end up somewhat bad in the end. Hope I'm wrong, because I love the players they picked up.
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On January 04 2014 06:01 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 05:59 Aeromi wrote:On January 04 2014 05:48 Faust852 wrote:
Why would a sponsor stays in the shadow, it's the complete opposite of what sponsoring means. I heard that they are going to announce the main sponson in a few days. Larry Flynt of Hustler Magazine
The guy who told me that is the former manager of LYGF.
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Rofl at the banner image.
Skeptical as usual but hopefully they prove to be a long term stable organization.
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I absolutely love the banner.
At first I thought it LYGF had ninja'd flo AND thorzain.
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When I read about this team for the very first time it was the topic "Team Love Your Girlfriend Recruits Genius" and at first I expected that to be some kind of joke meaning that Genius got a girlfriend now, so that his results will get worse. I was surprised to see that there is actually a team with such a name. 
I would agree that they came out of nowhere at least for the professional scene though and it is surprising that they already paid some of their previous players because those are almost all very unknown and not people you would expect to get a salary at all.
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It shouldn't matter but if they want to be taken 100% seriously by everyone they kind of need to change the team name.
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Interesting read, I look forward to more from this team!
Great interview, keep up the good work! Followed the player streams
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Good luck LYGF. God knows this scene needs it.
Also I once beat an LYGF member on ladder : D
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I chuckled at the "e-sat down"
nice interview.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 04 2014 06:21 WhizPower wrote:
It shouldn't matter but if they want to be taken 100% seriously by everyone they kind of need to change the team name.
KT Fingerboom
this is nothing
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Wait so LYBF is already taken? Wow LYGF got scouted hard.
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another broken promise in the making.. hopefully not.
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"I'm definitely looking to make a return with it"
Wrong business.
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On January 04 2014 05:38 Fearest wrote:
Another mysterious investor that sponsors a team. I don't see this going well.
These things usually involve negotiations, timing, having banners and stuff drawn up, announcements edited and re-edited to have just the right wording, etc, etc. The all-the-eggs-in-one-basket-issue is definitely a problem, but that's about the only one and even EG had a first sponsor.
All that said, SC2 isn't a good place for startups and it shows.
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Sick! Hope to see more LYGF at DH this year!
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LYGF is such a shit name in my opinion.
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I mean LYGF has been around, and HTOMario has been satisfied with the team for a while. So, we don't need to worry that much.
The reason why some people are scared is because the sMi, now disbanded, had an unknown investor, which turned out to be a total scam. However, we have seen other startups such as Core Gaming creating a pretty stable scene, so anything goes!
Regardless of how ALL of us feel, we really hope that things work out well! Since LYGF has been pretty stable for a long time, there are some reasons to believe that the fall-out won't happen.
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gl hf in future (maybe they will get Revival alive and Oz;)
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Banner picture totally related.
Nice to hear some good news, hope these players can get developed.
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On January 04 2014 06:21 WhizPower wrote:
It shouldn't matter but if they want to be taken 100% seriously by everyone they kind of need to change the team name.
I sincerely disagree, I think its hilarious and I love the attitude that they bring.
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On January 04 2014 06:21 WhizPower wrote:
It shouldn't matter but if they want to be taken 100% seriously by everyone they kind of need to change the team name.
yep like noone ever took MYM or SK serious cuz of their name
or like the evil geniuses or of course the ninjas in pyjamas what fucking joke teams
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Papua New Guinea1058 Posts
Can't help but sniff the next big scam in a few months. Mysterious investors? This just can't be right. Not in this industry.
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On January 04 2014 07:33 HornyHerring wrote:
Can't help but sniff the next big scam in a few months. Mysterious investors? This just can't be right. Not in this industry.
why dont you just wait until "very soon" so they announce their sponsor until you call something a big scam
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Interview so heteronormative. SMH.
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Always good to see new teams being formed in those hard times for SC2. GL in the future!
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On January 04 2014 07:40 ASoo wrote:
Interview so heteronormative. SMH.
Can't tell if serious...
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On January 04 2014 06:21 WhizPower wrote:
It shouldn't matter but if they want to be taken 100% seriously by everyone they kind of need to change the team name.
Exactly. Imagine coming to Microsoft and introduce yourself. "Our team name is Love Your Girlfriend... please give us a sponsorship"
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Estonia4644 Posts
Way to go Olli
misspelling your own nickname in the first instance lol
whats Dard : D
also you guys are just weird, LYGF is a brilliant name
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On January 04 2014 08:07 Fearest wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 06:21 WhizPower wrote:
It shouldn't matter but if they want to be taken 100% seriously by everyone they kind of need to change the team name. Exactly. Imagine coming to Microsoft and introduce yourself. "Our team name is Love Your Girlfriend... please give us a sponsorship"
"Hey my team is called ninjas in pyjamas, please give us a sponsorship"
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Estonia4644 Posts
Guys they didn't call themselves National Socialist Farting or Full Metal Gracket or whatever, it's not really that bad
Fusilero's example of NiP is great for this
How is this a bad name for a team and how is a message like this going to hinder sponsors
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 04 2014 08:07 Fearest wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 06:21 WhizPower wrote:
It shouldn't matter but if they want to be taken 100% seriously by everyone they kind of need to change the team name. Exactly. Imagine coming to Microsoft and introduce yourself. "Our team name is Love Your Girlfriend... please give us a sponsorship"
You're right, a team only saying "this is our team name sponsorship pls" won't get shit
But if you have something besides your name which you should have, that's what going to matter and not the team name (unless it's something obscene)
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Austria24417 Posts
On January 04 2014 08:15 fusefuse wrote:
Way to go Olli
misspelling your own nickname in the first instance lol
whats Dard : D
also you guys are just weird, LYGF is a brilliant name
I had 3 different skype chats mocking me with DardLordOlli until someone was kind enough to actually quote it. Goddamnit Wax.
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On January 04 2014 05:46 Waxangel wrote:
More than a few teams in SC2 have been run fully or partly out of the owner's pocket, Quantic was just a really terrible demonstration of what can happen in a worst case scenario
Correct me if im wrong, but most self-funded teams, or investor based teams in the west never last, or at least lose their ability to consistently be a top team. Examples: Quantic, Clarity and Eclypsia amongst others.
Hope for the best for LYGF for the sake of their players.
What about the Cologne teamhouse? Who will bw staying in it? Will Tassadar remain in WCS AM?
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Estonia4644 Posts
On January 04 2014 08:21 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 08:15 fusefuse wrote:
Way to go Olli
misspelling your own nickname in the first instance lol
whats Dard : D
also you guys are just weird, LYGF is a brilliant name
I had 3 different skype chats mocking me with DardLordOlli until someone was kind enough to actually quote it. Goddamnit Wax.
now i feel bad for ruining it by pointing it out for you :c
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I hope this mysterious investor is real. Would hate for them to offer their players a lot of promises without keeping them.
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TLADT24920 Posts
thanks for the interview! As mentioned, seems like they are trying to be transparent so I will await the sponsor announcement!
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On January 04 2014 08:07 Fearest wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 06:21 WhizPower wrote:
It shouldn't matter but if they want to be taken 100% seriously by everyone they kind of need to change the team name. Exactly. Imagine coming to Microsoft and introduce yourself. "Our team name is Love Your Girlfriend... please give us a sponsorship"
"We're Evil Geniuses, we're not actually evil. And we need sponsors."
"We're Incredible Miracles. We aren't actually praying for a miracle. Sponsor us please."
"We're Team Liquid. We need sponsors. No, we aren't a drink company. No, 'liquid' does not refer to our business model. Or staff changeovers. No, it has nothing to do with Porn. Look, it's just a name."
On January 04 2014 08:25 mikkmagro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 05:46 Waxangel wrote:
More than a few teams in SC2 have been run fully or partly out of the owner's pocket, Quantic was just a really terrible demonstration of what can happen in a worst case scenario Correct me if im wrong, but most self-funded teams, or investor based teams in the west never last, or at least lose their ability to consistently be a top team. Examples: Quantic, Clarity and Eclypsia amongst others. Hope for the best for LYGF for the sake of their players. What about the Cologne teamhouse? Who will bw staying in it? Will Tassadar remain in WCS AM?
You're wrong. The same applies to absolutely every team, regardless of their business model. Esports isn't nearly big enough to be stable, no matter how you're getting funding.
The same is also true whether the team is in the East or West. Korea got big bucks a decade ago because Brood War was actually mainstream for awhile - even LoL pales in comparison. Now Korea teams, across all games, are finding out they have to work to get sponsorship deals.
There's also plenty of exceptions. EG is entirely investor/sponsorship driven, and actually a solid business. Liquid is self-funded. Acer is backed by Acer (of course). Axiom is basically paid out of TotalBiscuit's pocket (though he's probably losing money).
(And this is even glossing over the fact that many Pro sport teams, like Hockey and Baseball in North America, are operating at a loss and backed by extremely rich owners who just want to own teams)
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i like how everyone ignored my post and just repeats what i said and get credit for that Q_Q
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its never good when you have a single shadow investor, if they pull out everyone is left out to hang. There have been dozens of these orgs started and the only one to survive is navi and their investor was a great guy and got them sponsors before he left.
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I don't get it, and the fake investor...why?
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and that sponsor is... azubu!
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i hated the team at first but then i thought about it and i think esports needs more goofy names. i like it more than the generic XtremeShot4Kingz E-Multigamingmindsport whatever the hell is trending now.
i mean, we used to have teams like Pirates of Space and Fingerboom. in real life one of the most popular non-MLB baseball teams is the Montgomery Biscuits.
if i had enough money i would've bought fOu, named it the Seoul Biscuits.
On January 04 2014 08:48 skatblast wrote:
and that sponsor is... azubu!
it's quantic.simon
source: my dad works for LYGF
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Investors who don't mind making a loss for quite a while are what the scene needs, just like in professional football. People who make enough money from other ventures to be able to fund a pro-gaming team as a hobby, almost. See: Roman Abramovich, Vincent Tan, Tony Fernandes etc etc.
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On January 04 2014 09:09 Larkin wrote:
Investors who don't mind making a loss for quite a while are what the scene needs, just like in professional football. People who make enough money from other ventures to be able to fund a pro-gaming team as a hobby, almost. See: Roman Abramovich, Vincent Tan, Tony Fernandes etc etc.
I know what I'll do if I ever was lucky enough to hit the jackpot.
Really interested in who the sponsor might be. Every new team is good for the SC2 scene so I welcome it and love the name.
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Wow pretty cool, but on a side note I think the team name is really stupid, they could have done better.
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LoveYourGuyfriend Scarlett works no?
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have we literally reached the point where an up and coming team announcing that they have a sponsor automatically means that something shady is going on? should they just not make announcements and pretend they don't exist?
as for the team name, anyone talking about "being taken seriously" etc. is basically trying to justify their personal opinion of the team name by acting as if there's some issue with "professionalism." no one has posted an actual reason the name is "bad" or that anyone "shouldn't take them seriously." rabble rabble rabble, it's goofy! we can't have goofiness in esports!
if you just personally think it's dumb, that's fine and you're entitled, but there's no objective metric that says your opinion matters any more than mine or anyone's
On January 04 2014 09:09 Larkin wrote:
Investors who don't mind making a loss for quite a while are what the scene needs, just like in professional football. People who make enough money from other ventures to be able to fund a pro-gaming team as a hobby, almost. See: Roman Abramovich, Vincent Tan, Tony Fernandes etc etc.
pretty sure "investors who don't mind taking a loss for a while" are what any industry needs lol
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To learn more about this mystery team and their intentions, I e-sat down with Pascal Anton, the owner and co-founder of LYGF, and James "FosTA" Foster, LYGF's SC2 Manager.
Rofl dat intro
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On January 04 2014 09:09 Larkin wrote:
Investors who don't mind making a loss for quite a while are what the scene needs, just like in professional football. People who make enough money from other ventures to be able to fund a pro-gaming team as a hobby, almost. See: Roman Abramovich, Vincent Tan, Tony Fernandes etc etc.
Investors who don't mind making a loss for a while and then likely seeing negligible if any profit at all might be a more accurate criteria. I have no idea what company has ever made money off of Sc2 even when it was booming. I doubt anyone is even making much money sponsoring LoL teams yet. Esports just is not profitable in the same way as televised sports.
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On January 04 2014 10:43 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 09:09 Larkin wrote:
Investors who don't mind making a loss for quite a while are what the scene needs, just like in professional football. People who make enough money from other ventures to be able to fund a pro-gaming team as a hobby, almost. See: Roman Abramovich, Vincent Tan, Tony Fernandes etc etc. Investors who don't mind making a loss for a while and then likely seeing negligible if any profit at all might be a more accurate criteria. I have no idea what company has ever made money off of Sc2 even when it was booming. I doubt anyone is even making much money sponsoring LoL teams yet. Esports just is not profitable in the same way as televised sports.
However, I'd assume the sponsorship costs of partially, or fully funding an esports team/organization is a lot lower than that of any televised sport team. Wouldn't that be a draw to smaller, less well known companies to perhaps make a splash in an albeit smaller market without having to spend a shit ton to get your company's name on a jersey or something?
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I'm looking forward to the big drama of dirty and/or missing money in a year's time.
(No, I'm not.)
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Mysterious sponsor (sorry, I mean "investor")
Weird name
"wtf do they do?"
...sounds a bit familiar.
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if only they have a better team name...no offence
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On January 04 2014 11:23 lystier wrote:
if only they have a better team name...no offence
But thats the part that makes me want to root for them.
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On January 04 2014 11:26 TBone- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 11:23 lystier wrote:
if only they have a better team name...no offence But thats the part that makes me want to root for them.
So does their team name suggest a command (IE "Go love your girlfriend!"), or a jab at the reader ("We love your girlfriend!").
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Dat banner. I really hope the investors for this team aren't azubu :DDD
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On January 04 2014 11:29 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 11:26 TBone- wrote:On January 04 2014 11:23 lystier wrote:
if only they have a better team name...no offence But thats the part that makes me want to root for them. So does their team name suggest a command (IE "Go love your girlfriend!"), or a jab at the reader ("We love your girlfriend!").
I honestly find it quite humerus when you do something silly instead of it being professional. Regardless of what the name is or what it means, if its silly I'm gonna like it.
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What James neglected to state was that they were paying their players in fruit snacks.
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This team is so just... amazing... for people who have girlfriends and are in a complicated relationship I think this should be your #1 team. Just saying...
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On January 04 2014 11:58 Team .SCA wrote:
What James neglected to state was that they were paying their players in fruit snacks.
I would have thought they'd be paying their players with love and girlfriends.
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On January 04 2014 11:45 TBone- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 11:29 Bagration wrote:On January 04 2014 11:26 TBone- wrote:On January 04 2014 11:23 lystier wrote:
if only they have a better team name...no offence But thats the part that makes me want to root for them. So does their team name suggest a command (IE "Go love your girlfriend!"), or a jab at the reader ("We love your girlfriend!"). I honestly find it quite humerus when you do something silly instead of it being professional. Regardless of what the name is or what it means, if its silly I'm gonna like it.
Watching someone introduce himself to potential sponsors as Fishsticks would be rather amusing.
I would have thought they'd be paying their players with love and girlfriends.
Kind of like Clauf then.
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only one investor. that means if the investor is out, the team is dead. remember kids, always diversify! if the horrific disbanding and scandals with various esports teams have been any indication, this does not bode well.
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I'm happy to see LYGF flourish. Should we be suspicious? Maybe. But should we be damning them and calling them a scam when quite frankly none of us are privy to enough information about the team to know what's really up with their investor and sponsor? Nope. Let's keep an eye on them, if there players are happy and getting paid, then I'm happy too. They deserve the benefit of the doubt. Glad to see new SC2 teams sprout up to support high level talent, this is what we need.
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On January 04 2014 05:26 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Pascal:..I'm definitely looking to make a return with it eventually
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/L3Pio.gif)
Okay, that was mean, but if I've learnt anything from the past 3 years of SC2 involving foreign teams that come out of nowhere with big purchases and huge announcements it's to hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. On a plus side it is good to hear about a team that's actually starting rather than yet another one that's folding.
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On January 04 2014 12:51 fishjie wrote:
only one investor. that means if the investor is out, the team is dead. remember kids, always diversify! if the horrific disbanding and scandals with various esports teams have been any indication, this does not bode well.
You might try reading the damn write up before posting about shit. The owner has already said he runs his own business, and this is basically another project that he has funded himself already for awhile now. They seem like good guys judging by the effort they are making to reach out to the community and the time and effort they are putting into the scene. And it doesn't say "one investor" singular. Just one investor that has offered to fund the whole professional team. So there could easily be more sponsors and more investors willing to pitch in as well. Eventually, a team has to start somewhere if they are going to do anything, if they start getting some results more sponsors/investors can come on board.
I don't see why all these people have to come in here with this overwhelmingly negative attitude before even having all the information. It's quite ridiculous
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I don't see this going anywhere.
Too many players and many of them aren't pros.
The team started more like a community and now wants to be a pro team.
They will probably cut 2 thirds of the players or pay only 2-3 players total which also doesn't look good. (creates jealousy and etc)
And most importantly if you were a sponsor why would you sponsor exactly this team? What differs this team from the others? What is their biggest plus - popularity, fanbase, players, streamers, ... girlfriends?
I don't exclude the chance that someone wants to sponsor them for good but let's hope it'll last. It's just that if you analyze it, it's hard to believe.
P.S adorable banner. Even though it's said that it's irrelevant, it shows a good, healthy esports releationship. Something rare nowadays...
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good luck.
The one investor funding everything sounds quite risky though
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LMAO. Is this serious? Is this a troll thread?
Hyun just got scammed out of 23K. And this thread comes up? Lmao, this has to be a joke. How is this even allowed to happen lmao? This SC2 that big of a joke now? People are now making threads saying: "Attention SC2 community, we are going to start a team to scam some more players!" and no one does anything.
Someone please contact Genius and Tassadar and let them know that this will end up fucking them over.
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On January 04 2014 13:58 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:
LMAO. Is this serious? Is this a troll thread?
Hyun just got scammed out of 23K. And this thread comes up? Lmao, this has to be a joke. How is this even allowed to happen lmao? This SC2 that big of a joke now? People are now making threads saying: "Attention SC2 community, we are going to start a team to scam some more players!" and no one does anything.
Someone please contact Genius and Tassadar and let them know that this will end up fucking them over.
No, just because Quantic's CEO was a shitbag doesn't mean everyone is. While we should be wary, we should also welcome this investor putting money into the scene, and pray that they invest in a sustainable way and for the long term.
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On January 04 2014 14:01 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 13:58 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:
LMAO. Is this serious? Is this a troll thread?
Hyun just got scammed out of 23K. And this thread comes up? Lmao, this has to be a joke. How is this even allowed to happen lmao? This SC2 that big of a joke now? People are now making threads saying: "Attention SC2 community, we are going to start a team to scam some more players!" and no one does anything.
Someone please contact Genius and Tassadar and let them know that this will end up fucking them over. No, just because Quantic's CEO was a shitbag doesn't mean everyone is. While we should be wary, we should also welcome this investor putting money into the scene, and pray that they invest in a sustainable way and for the long term.
Lol....You think it's just Quantic? This thread is so painfully familiar that it's hilarious to me. It's happened with so many other "teams" that end up being scams. No legitimate team just pops up with no recognition/support behind it.
It's another scam. Wake up SC2 community. People need to contact Genius and Tassadar and tell them to stay away from these people.
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On January 04 2014 14:05 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:
Lol....You think it's just Quantic? This thread is so painfully familiar that it's hilarious to me. It's happened with so many other "teams" that end up being scams. No legitimate team just pops up with no recognition/support behind it.
It's another scam. Wake up SC2 community. People need to contact Genius and Tassadar and tell them to stay away from these people.
Then contact them and tell them what you think you know, otherwise you're not helping anyone out, you're just running a teams name through the mud for no reason. No player from LYGF has come forward saying they weren't paid and it's ridiculous of you to just assume otherwise....
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Maybe another Lazarus Gaming, that would be cool.
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This is super awsome :-) Hope this team dose insanly well :-) LYGF !!!
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Seems like another shady dealing. The usual red flags are there.
Maybe I'm wrong but with previous history I'd be very cautious....
BUT HEY FOR ESPORTS SC2 ESPORTS ESPORTS right?
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This seems pretty sketchy but hey apparently they paid Mario
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On January 04 2014 14:05 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 14:01 Bagration wrote:On January 04 2014 13:58 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:
LMAO. Is this serious? Is this a troll thread?
Hyun just got scammed out of 23K. And this thread comes up? Lmao, this has to be a joke. How is this even allowed to happen lmao? This SC2 that big of a joke now? People are now making threads saying: "Attention SC2 community, we are going to start a team to scam some more players!" and no one does anything.
Someone please contact Genius and Tassadar and let them know that this will end up fucking them over. No, just because Quantic's CEO was a shitbag doesn't mean everyone is. While we should be wary, we should also welcome this investor putting money into the scene, and pray that they invest in a sustainable way and for the long term. Lol....You think it's just Quantic? This thread is so painfully familiar that it's hilarious to me. It's happened with so many other "teams" that end up being scams. No legitimate team just pops up with no recognition/support behind it. It's another scam. Wake up SC2 community. People need to contact Genius and Tassadar and tell them to stay away from these people.
What's hilarious to me is how idiotic your attitude is. For one, no teams were "scams". Scamming implies an intent to make money off people by tricking them, not starting a business and failing miserably, until you have to bail with unpaid bills and a lot of lost money. For another, I'd love to see how you live your life if you scream about the sky falling every time you hear about something going poorly.
The proper answer to situations like Quantic or Eclypsia or Azubu are proper checks and balances between the players and the management, and contracts that make it clear where and when responsibilities lie. That's how the real business world works, by having more accountability between employees and employers...not by taking the nuclear option and wiping out every organization as soon as one goes rotten.
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Austria24417 Posts
On January 04 2014 13:58 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:
LMAO. Is this serious? Is this a troll thread?
Hyun just got scammed out of 23K. And this thread comes up? Lmao, this has to be a joke. How is this even allowed to happen lmao? This SC2 that big of a joke now? People are now making threads saying: "Attention SC2 community, we are going to start a team to scam some more players!" and no one does anything.
Someone please contact Genius and Tassadar and let them know that this will end up fucking them over.
Alright I was gonna stay quiet because I know some people's opinions are dumb as hell but you just took the cake. Genius was teamless for months, he paid for his WCS EU attendence himself and now a team that has financial backing from its owner and has found an investor and a sponsor in sc2replaystats is willing to pay him and his flights.
How in the hell is he getting scammed? He's making money where there was none before. If say the sponsors/investors pull out and payment issues do come up it still isn't a fucking scam, it's a business problem.
If every time a team finds someone willing to invest their money the reaction looks like this then there's never going to be any teams and I 100% blame people like you for it.
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I dont think there is anything sketchy. Since when did we become a bunch of naysayers? Where is our sense of support as a community?
I look foward to hearing more from this team with a funny name :-P GL !!
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Russian Federation1016 Posts
Now when the team LYGF is officially recognisable, could we have their symbol in the bottom right corner of the post? I mean I still can't choose LYGF as my favorite SC2 progaming team in my profile.
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Late splash? The SC2 scene just started 
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 04 2014 19:47 IAmWithStupid wrote:
Now when the team LYGF is officially recognisable, could we have their symbol in the bottom right corner of the post? I mean I still can't choose LYGF as my favorite SC2 progaming team in my profile.
That usually only comes with team league participation, and usually takes a while. I mean, Jin Air Green Wings still don't have an icon and they've been a thing (and highly recognisable) for months
I must say, though, that I find the general attitude in this thread quite disappointing. By accepting an interview at all, they are already better than Azubu. Further, I'm a little confused by the idea that LYGF having acquired a (or several) sponsors is strange. Naturally, if you have no recognisable players attracting sponsors is difficult, and the same goes for the other way around - it's difficult to attract known players without sponsors. Lastly, LYGF isn't as new as some people seem to think. They didn't just pop up and for crying out loud, please keep the hostility to yourselves until there is even the slightest sign it will be necessary.
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Russian Federation1016 Posts
On January 04 2014 20:06 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 19:47 IAmWithStupid wrote:
Now when the team LYGF is officially recognisable, could we have their symbol in the bottom right corner of the post? I mean I still can't choose LYGF as my favorite SC2 progaming team in my profile. That usually only comes with team league participation, and usually takes a while. I mean, Jin Air Green Wings still don't have an icon and they've been a thing (and highly recognisable) for months
Thanks for the info. I'll wait!
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On January 04 2014 20:06 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 19:47 IAmWithStupid wrote:
Now when the team LYGF is officially recognisable, could we have their symbol in the bottom right corner of the post? I mean I still can't choose LYGF as my favorite SC2 progaming team in my profile. That usually only comes with team league participation, and usually takes a while. I mean, Jin Air Green Wings still don't have an icon and they've been a thing (and highly recognisable) for months I must say, though, that I find the general attitude in this thread quite disappointing. By accepting an interview at all, they are already better than Azubu. Further, I'm a little confused by the idea that LYGF having acquired a (or several) sponsors is strange. Naturally, if you have no recognisable players attracting sponsors is difficult, and the same goes for the other way around - it's difficult to attract known players without sponsors. Lastly, LYGF isn't as new as some people seem to think. They didn't just pop up and for crying out loud, please keep the hostility to yourselves until there is even the slightest sign it will be necessary.
Not like SPEED GAMING has a logo yet -_-
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If you guys care about the missing icons so much why don't you make a website feedback thread? -_-
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 04 2014 20:29 Dodgin wrote:
If you guys care about the missing icons so much why don't you make a website feedback thread? -_-
What, you mean every thread isn't website feedback?
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I'll give this a year and if it's still running by 2015 with the sponsor (ie not investor) on board, well done.
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They seem like pretty good people. I hope they stay for a while and don't get into the whole drama stuff.
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On January 04 2014 19:25 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 13:58 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:
LMAO. Is this serious? Is this a troll thread?
Hyun just got scammed out of 23K. And this thread comes up? Lmao, this has to be a joke. How is this even allowed to happen lmao? This SC2 that big of a joke now? People are now making threads saying: "Attention SC2 community, we are going to start a team to scam some more players!" and no one does anything.
Someone please contact Genius and Tassadar and let them know that this will end up fucking them over. Alright I was gonna stay quiet because I know some people's opinions are dumb as hell but you just took the cake. Genius was teamless for months, he paid for his WCS EU attendence himself and now a team that has financial backing from its owner and has found an investor and a sponsor in sc2replaystats is willing to pay him and his flights. How in the hell is he getting scammed? He's making money where there was none before. If say the sponsors/investors pull out and payment issues do come up it still isn't a fucking scam, it's a business problem. If every time a team finds soneone willing to invest their money the reaction looks like this then there's never going to be any teams and I 100% blame people like you for it.
Why am I not allowed to report this post for flaming? Why are some people's posts on TL untouchable?
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 04 2014 23:26 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 19:25 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2014 13:58 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:
LMAO. Is this serious? Is this a troll thread?
Hyun just got scammed out of 23K. And this thread comes up? Lmao, this has to be a joke. How is this even allowed to happen lmao? This SC2 that big of a joke now? People are now making threads saying: "Attention SC2 community, we are going to start a team to scam some more players!" and no one does anything.
Someone please contact Genius and Tassadar and let them know that this will end up fucking them over. Alright I was gonna stay quiet because I know some people's opinions are dumb as hell but you just took the cake. Genius was teamless for months, he paid for his WCS EU attendence himself and now a team that has financial backing from its owner and has found an investor and a sponsor in sc2replaystats is willing to pay him and his flights. How in the hell is he getting scammed? He's making money where there was none before. If say the sponsors/investors pull out and payment issues do come up it still isn't a fucking scam, it's a business problem. If every time a team finds soneone willing to invest their money the reaction looks like this then there's never going to be any teams and I 100% blame people like you for it. Why am I not allowed to report this post for flaming? Why are some people's posts on TL untouchable?
Staff members cannot be reported.
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On January 04 2014 23:26 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 19:25 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2014 13:58 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:
LMAO. Is this serious? Is this a troll thread?
Hyun just got scammed out of 23K. And this thread comes up? Lmao, this has to be a joke. How is this even allowed to happen lmao? This SC2 that big of a joke now? People are now making threads saying: "Attention SC2 community, we are going to start a team to scam some more players!" and no one does anything.
Someone please contact Genius and Tassadar and let them know that this will end up fucking them over. Alright I was gonna stay quiet because I know some people's opinions are dumb as hell but you just took the cake. Genius was teamless for months, he paid for his WCS EU attendence himself and now a team that has financial backing from its owner and has found an investor and a sponsor in sc2replaystats is willing to pay him and his flights. How in the hell is he getting scammed? He's making money where there was none before. If say the sponsors/investors pull out and payment issues do come up it still isn't a fucking scam, it's a business problem. If every time a team finds soneone willing to invest their money the reaction looks like this then there's never going to be any teams and I 100% blame people like you for it. Why am I not allowed to report this post for flaming? Why are some people's posts on TL untouchable?
so that they won't be annoyed by some people
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Austria24417 Posts
On January 04 2014 23:26 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 19:25 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2014 13:58 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:
LMAO. Is this serious? Is this a troll thread?
Hyun just got scammed out of 23K. And this thread comes up? Lmao, this has to be a joke. How is this even allowed to happen lmao? This SC2 that big of a joke now? People are now making threads saying: "Attention SC2 community, we are going to start a team to scam some more players!" and no one does anything.
Someone please contact Genius and Tassadar and let them know that this will end up fucking them over. Alright I was gonna stay quiet because I know some people's opinions are dumb as hell but you just took the cake. Genius was teamless for months, he paid for his WCS EU attendence himself and now a team that has financial backing from its owner and has found an investor and a sponsor in sc2replaystats is willing to pay him and his flights. How in the hell is he getting scammed? He's making money where there was none before. If say the sponsors/investors pull out and payment issues do come up it still isn't a fucking scam, it's a business problem. If every time a team finds soneone willing to invest their money the reaction looks like this then there's never going to be any teams and I 100% blame people like you for it. Why am I not allowed to report this post for flaming? Why are some people's posts on TL untouchable?
You could however make an argument against what I said to make your standpoint look better. That's what someone who seeks actual intelligent debate would do. As did I, I explained to you why I think the arguments you made in your post are dumb.
But that's not what you came here for, you came here to try and put as many "lmao"s as possible in your post and accuse people of scamming players when there's no ground to do it on.
LMAO. Is this serious? Is this a troll thread?
No it's in fact time that was invested into this interview to try and clear up questions the community had about a team so if there's nothing else you have to say other than "LMAO how is this even allowed to happen" then I feel just fine calling you on it.
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On January 04 2014 23:28 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 23:26 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 04 2014 19:25 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2014 13:58 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:
LMAO. Is this serious? Is this a troll thread?
Hyun just got scammed out of 23K. And this thread comes up? Lmao, this has to be a joke. How is this even allowed to happen lmao? This SC2 that big of a joke now? People are now making threads saying: "Attention SC2 community, we are going to start a team to scam some more players!" and no one does anything.
Someone please contact Genius and Tassadar and let them know that this will end up fucking them over. Alright I was gonna stay quiet because I know some people's opinions are dumb as hell but you just took the cake. Genius was teamless for months, he paid for his WCS EU attendence himself and now a team that has financial backing from its owner and has found an investor and a sponsor in sc2replaystats is willing to pay him and his flights. How in the hell is he getting scammed? He's making money where there was none before. If say the sponsors/investors pull out and payment issues do come up it still isn't a fucking scam, it's a business problem. If every time a team finds soneone willing to invest their money the reaction looks like this then there's never going to be any teams and I 100% blame people like you for it. Why am I not allowed to report this post for flaming? Why are some people's posts on TL untouchable? Staff members cannot be reported.
Yeah you have to do it the hard way. So, find out which moderator dislikes this specific writer the most and send him a pm. Then you cross your fingers and wait.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 04 2014 23:42 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 23:28 Zealously wrote:On January 04 2014 23:26 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On January 04 2014 19:25 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2014 13:58 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:
LMAO. Is this serious? Is this a troll thread?
Hyun just got scammed out of 23K. And this thread comes up? Lmao, this has to be a joke. How is this even allowed to happen lmao? This SC2 that big of a joke now? People are now making threads saying: "Attention SC2 community, we are going to start a team to scam some more players!" and no one does anything.
Someone please contact Genius and Tassadar and let them know that this will end up fucking them over. Alright I was gonna stay quiet because I know some people's opinions are dumb as hell but you just took the cake. Genius was teamless for months, he paid for his WCS EU attendence himself and now a team that has financial backing from its owner and has found an investor and a sponsor in sc2replaystats is willing to pay him and his flights. How in the hell is he getting scammed? He's making money where there was none before. If say the sponsors/investors pull out and payment issues do come up it still isn't a fucking scam, it's a business problem. If every time a team finds soneone willing to invest their money the reaction looks like this then there's never going to be any teams and I 100% blame people like you for it. Why am I not allowed to report this post for flaming? Why are some people's posts on TL untouchable? Staff members cannot be reported. Yeah you have to do it the hard way. So, find out which moderator dislikes this specific writer the most and send him a pm. Then you cross your fingers and wait.
Feed Yoshi and Kadaver might be agreeable
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i would suggest players provide bank accounts for direct transfers of any prize moneys they win otherwise gl to all :/
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 04 2014 23:45 nickbalev wrote:
i would suggest players provide bank accounts for direct transfers of any prize moneys they win otherwise gl to all :/
Doing so makes you subject to (more) taxes in many cases.
On January 01 2014 22:23 Bumblebee wrote:
There are also domestic laws regarding taxes. The reason most players choose to have the team's receive the prizemoney is because they have to pay Swedish taxes off of them if they are not paid out to a registered company, where this way around they can pay taxes in their own country. DreamHack does offer to pay out to the player directly, but few choose this option.
MLG also offers to pay out to both, but as a standard they pay the players directly. If you are from outside the US, they are forced to keep 30 % of your prizemoney in America (or at least the States that are relevant for MLG) so here nothing can be done unless your team has an American company that they could pay out to and that way it would allow the player to pay taxes in his own country.
Without continuing to write about every organization, there's always been an option everywhere from the events to pay it to the team or the player(s). As Kennigit said that makes sense because some contracts will have a clause about a percentage of the prizemoney won goes to the team.
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On January 04 2014 08:32 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 08:07 Fearest wrote:On January 04 2014 06:21 WhizPower wrote:
It shouldn't matter but if they want to be taken 100% seriously by everyone they kind of need to change the team name. Exactly. Imagine coming to Microsoft and introduce yourself. "Our team name is Love Your Girlfriend... please give us a sponsorship" "We're Evil Geniuses, we're not actually evil. And we need sponsors." "We're Incredible Miracles. We aren't actually praying for a miracle. Sponsor us please." "We're Team Liquid. We need sponsors. No, we aren't a drink company. No, 'liquid' does not refer to our business model. Or staff changeovers. No, it has nothing to do with Porn. Look, it's just a name." Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 08:25 mikkmagro wrote:On January 04 2014 05:46 Waxangel wrote:
More than a few teams in SC2 have been run fully or partly out of the owner's pocket, Quantic was just a really terrible demonstration of what can happen in a worst case scenario Correct me if im wrong, but most self-funded teams, or investor based teams in the west never last, or at least lose their ability to consistently be a top team. Examples: Quantic, Clarity and Eclypsia amongst others. Hope for the best for LYGF for the sake of their players. What about the Cologne teamhouse? Who will bw staying in it? Will Tassadar remain in WCS AM? You're wrong. The same applies to absolutely every team, regardless of their business model. Esports isn't nearly big enough to be stable, no matter how you're getting funding. The same is also true whether the team is in the East or West. Korea got big bucks a decade ago because Brood War was actually mainstream for awhile - even LoL pales in comparison. Now Korea teams, across all games, are finding out they have to work to get sponsorship deals. There's also plenty of exceptions. EG is entirely investor/sponsorship driven, and actually a solid business. Liquid is self-funded. Acer is backed by Acer (of course). Axiom is basically paid out of TotalBiscuit's pocket (though he's probably losing money). (And this is even glossing over the fact that many Pro sport teams, like Hockey and Baseball in North America, are operating at a loss and backed by extremely rich owners who just want to own teams)
Some business models are obviously a lot more stable than others for esports teams, and I am talking about teams who have gradually built up a brand over the years, and at the end of the year, depending on their relationship with sponsors, and any other money-making activities such as streaming, subscriptions and merchandise, create a budget for the following year. Many top esport organisations follow this model, and have been doing so for as long as eSports has been around: SK Gaming, Fnatic, mousesports, Team Dignitas, Millenium and EG amongst others. I did read somewhere that after some 7 years of operation, Fnatic started turning a profit.
You can't compare eSport teams with pro sports teams, because before something becomes extravagant, it first has to become sustainable. There were many cases in the past in esports where teams tried to be extravagant, only to end up bankrupt (I'm obviously talking about MYM). Also, the investors you see investing in eSport teams are not Abramovich or Sheikh Mansour; most of them are just people who have a few extra thousands to spare, and once they lose interest, they stop the money. The possibility of return in eSport teams is too low to even consider proper investment, except perhaps for an organisation with marketing prowess of EG level, and even then, I think EG is run off sponsorship money, rather than investment.
There are a few success stories obviously...Natus Vincere started out as a team funded entirely by Ukrainian investor Arbalet, but after generating a huge following through their success, Na'Vi were able to continue on as a successful eSport organisation after Arbalet stopped injecting cash in the team. Invictus Gaming apparently have an extremely rich backer. AFAIK Complexity also started out with Jason Lake investing a significant amount of his own money in the team.
My point is that eSport teams do need to be somewhat self sufficient if they want to be stable in the way the traditional esport teams mentioned above have remained operational for a decade and more.
I really hope it all works out for LYGF, the owner looks very passionate and I will be following closely
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On January 04 2014 23:26 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 19:25 DarkLordOlli wrote:On January 04 2014 13:58 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:
LMAO. Is this serious? Is this a troll thread?
Hyun just got scammed out of 23K. And this thread comes up? Lmao, this has to be a joke. How is this even allowed to happen lmao? This SC2 that big of a joke now? People are now making threads saying: "Attention SC2 community, we are going to start a team to scam some more players!" and no one does anything.
Someone please contact Genius and Tassadar and let them know that this will end up fucking them over. Alright I was gonna stay quiet because I know some people's opinions are dumb as hell but you just took the cake. Genius was teamless for months, he paid for his WCS EU attendence himself and now a team that has financial backing from its owner and has found an investor and a sponsor in sc2replaystats is willing to pay him and his flights. How in the hell is he getting scammed? He's making money where there was none before. If say the sponsors/investors pull out and payment issues do come up it still isn't a fucking scam, it's a business problem. If every time a team finds soneone willing to invest their money the reaction looks like this then there's never going to be any teams and I 100% blame people like you for it. Why am I not allowed to report this post for flaming? Why are some people's posts on TL untouchable?
you could grow thicker skin
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Canada16217 Posts
Thanks for the interview, I look forward to see what the team can do in the future
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The name of this team is sooooo stupid, but then again.. many team names are completely dumb if you think too long about it.
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On January 05 2014 02:54 JacobShock wrote:
The name of this team is sooooo stupid, but then again.. many team names are completely dumb if you think too long about it.
i think it's funny. most teams are trying to sound "cool" with some cheesy or meaningless name. "evil geniuses" isn't exactly creative, and i doubt there's much behind "liquid" other than being a neat word either. like you said, anything sounds stupid if you think about it too long
the name LYGF takes a lighthearted approach that reminds us that we aren't video game warriors, we're just people playing starcraft, and we should remember that our loved ones/girlfriends/etc. come first before a silly computer game
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On January 05 2014 01:02 mikkmagro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 08:32 WolfintheSheep wrote:On January 04 2014 08:07 Fearest wrote:On January 04 2014 06:21 WhizPower wrote:
It shouldn't matter but if they want to be taken 100% seriously by everyone they kind of need to change the team name. Exactly. Imagine coming to Microsoft and introduce yourself. "Our team name is Love Your Girlfriend... please give us a sponsorship" "We're Evil Geniuses, we're not actually evil. And we need sponsors." "We're Incredible Miracles. We aren't actually praying for a miracle. Sponsor us please." "We're Team Liquid. We need sponsors. No, we aren't a drink company. No, 'liquid' does not refer to our business model. Or staff changeovers. No, it has nothing to do with Porn. Look, it's just a name." On January 04 2014 08:25 mikkmagro wrote:On January 04 2014 05:46 Waxangel wrote:
More than a few teams in SC2 have been run fully or partly out of the owner's pocket, Quantic was just a really terrible demonstration of what can happen in a worst case scenario Correct me if im wrong, but most self-funded teams, or investor based teams in the west never last, or at least lose their ability to consistently be a top team. Examples: Quantic, Clarity and Eclypsia amongst others. Hope for the best for LYGF for the sake of their players. What about the Cologne teamhouse? Who will bw staying in it? Will Tassadar remain in WCS AM? You're wrong. The same applies to absolutely every team, regardless of their business model. Esports isn't nearly big enough to be stable, no matter how you're getting funding. The same is also true whether the team is in the East or West. Korea got big bucks a decade ago because Brood War was actually mainstream for awhile - even LoL pales in comparison. Now Korea teams, across all games, are finding out they have to work to get sponsorship deals. There's also plenty of exceptions. EG is entirely investor/sponsorship driven, and actually a solid business. Liquid is self-funded. Acer is backed by Acer (of course). Axiom is basically paid out of TotalBiscuit's pocket (though he's probably losing money). (And this is even glossing over the fact that many Pro sport teams, like Hockey and Baseball in North America, are operating at a loss and backed by extremely rich owners who just want to own teams) Some business models are obviously a lot more stable than others for esports teams, and I am talking about teams who have gradually built up a brand over the years, and at the end of the year, depending on their relationship with sponsors, and any other money-making activities such as streaming, subscriptions and merchandise, create a budget for the following year. Many top esport organisations follow this model, and have been doing so for as long as eSports has been around: SK Gaming, Fnatic, mousesports, Team Dignitas, Millenium and EG amongst others. I did read somewhere that after some 7 years of operation, Fnatic started turning a profit. You can't compare eSport teams with pro sports teams, because before something becomes extravagant, it first has to become sustainable. There were many cases in the past in esports where teams tried to be extravagant, only to end up bankrupt (I'm obviously talking about MYM). Also, the investors you see investing in eSport teams are not Abramovich or Sheikh Mansour; most of them are just people who have a few extra thousands to spare, and once they lose interest, they stop the money. The possibility of return in eSport teams is too low to even consider proper investment, except perhaps for an organisation with marketing prowess of EG level, and even then, I think EG is run off sponsorship money, rather than investment. There are a few success stories obviously...Natus Vincere started out as a team funded entirely by Ukrainian investor Arbalet, but after generating a huge following through their success, Na'Vi were able to continue on as a successful eSport organisation after Arbalet stopped injecting cash in the team. Invictus Gaming apparently have an extremely rich backer. AFAIK Complexity also started out with Jason Lake investing a significant amount of his own money in the team. My point is that eSport teams do need to be somewhat self sufficient if they want to be stable in the way the traditional esport teams mentioned above have remained operational for a decade and more. I really hope it all works out for LYGF, the owner looks very passionate and I will be following closely
Yeah, but you have to realize that Dignitas, Millenium, EG, etc. are all teams that survived their early sunk cost period of growth until they could become sustainable. There were plenty of Quantics, Clarities and Eclypsias during that time as well.
Ever team starts off with some sketchy periods. The only real difference between 10 years ago and now is that there really was no comparison point back then, and every team looked like LYGF does right now.
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seems strange ... but i hope for the best.
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LoL why is FloZain. You can also put moonglade and Livibee
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Why is the team name so awful? :p It's hard to see them ever becoming a team anyone takes seriously. Even signing Genius doesn't cut it for me.
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On January 05 2014 07:23 IcedBacon wrote:
Why is the team name so awful? :p It's hard to see them ever becoming a team anyone takes seriously. Even signing Genius doesn't cut it for me.
The clan name may not be exactly appropriate for gaming and arguably a pretty crappy name in general to give a team. One thing is for sure though is that the name evokes interest whether positive or negative and gains attention, which may have been a cunning plan by the creator.
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Cool. Good luck in the future
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If SK Gaming can get away with Schroet Kommando for like 14 years I'm sure LYGF will be fine.
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On January 05 2014 08:06 Swift118 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2014 07:23 IcedBacon wrote:
Why is the team name so awful? :p It's hard to see them ever becoming a team anyone takes seriously. Even signing Genius doesn't cut it for me. The clan name may not be exactly appropriate for gaming and arguably a pretty crappy name in general to give a team. One thing is for sure though is that the name evokes interest whether positive or negative and gains attention, which may have been a cunning plan by the creator.
how is it not "appropriate" for gaming? people who game don't have girlfriends / shouldn't love them? i think it's positive and shows a good sense of humor and a willingness not to take themselves too seriously
do starcraft fans really want a bunch of tryhards, idras, huks, etc. who don't want to laugh about the game and are just sour and angry all the time?
or is it just that there are a lot of romantically frustrated bachelors in the midst of this community? no, couldn't be that :p
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But she would not be your girlfriend if you didn't love her so it's rather pointless. I think "Eat Your Vegetables" or "Hug Your Mom" are way better.
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On January 05 2014 10:16 Waise wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2014 08:06 Swift118 wrote:On January 05 2014 07:23 IcedBacon wrote:
Why is the team name so awful? :p It's hard to see them ever becoming a team anyone takes seriously. Even signing Genius doesn't cut it for me. The clan name may not be exactly appropriate for gaming and arguably a pretty crappy name in general to give a team. One thing is for sure though is that the name evokes interest whether positive or negative and gains attention, which may have been a cunning plan by the creator. how is it not "appropriate" for gaming? people who game don't have girlfriends / shouldn't love them? i think it's positive and shows a good sense of humor and a willingness not to take themselves too seriously do starcraft fans really want a bunch of tryhards, idras, huks, etc. who don't want to laugh about the game and are just sour and angry all the time? or is it just that there are a lot of romantically frustrated bachelors in the midst of this community? no, couldn't be that :p
I am going to start a football team called "grow your own carrots". Obviously any name for anything is viable, but some words/phrases just do not fit in smoothly in certain situations or for certain outfits by public acceptance, this seems to be one of those cases.
edit: also yes, I would prefer a pro scene with tryhards who take the game serious as a priority.
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Hope this "mystery" sponser isn't another French Canadian.
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On January 04 2014 14:12 cCav wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 14:05 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:
Lol....You think it's just Quantic? This thread is so painfully familiar that it's hilarious to me. It's happened with so many other "teams" that end up being scams. No legitimate team just pops up with no recognition/support behind it.
It's another scam. Wake up SC2 community. People need to contact Genius and Tassadar and tell them to stay away from these people. Then contact them and tell them what you think you know, otherwise you're not helping anyone out, you're just running a teams name through the mud for no reason. No player from LYGF has come forward saying they weren't paid and it's ridiculous of you to just assume otherwise....
Oh the irony... http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1x7m0x/my_only_wish_is_you_give_this_post_life_for_just/
Here is a skype conversation between HTOMario and Pascal Anton (LYGF owner)
[2/1/2014 10:42:07 AM] Pascal Anton: yeah
[2/1/2014 10:42:12 AM] HTOMario: any news on sponsor?
[2/1/2014 10:42:46 AM] HTOMario: it's february o.o
[2/1/2014 10:44:27 AM] Pascal Anton: seems like they are screwing us over
[2/1/2014 10:44:34 AM] HTOMario: yeah
[2/1/2014 10:45:47 AM] HTOMario: but my salary wasn't a problem before we had them?
[2/1/2014 10:46:35 AM] Pascal Anton: i will send you a good amount on monday
[2/1/2014 10:46:44 AM] HTOMario: ok ty
Mario later goes on to say in the thread that Pascal kept giving him the run-around and coming up with excuses and that he was never actually paid.
NAUG was the new sponsor Pascal was referring too. After a bit of being late I discovered through pascal that NAUG was either stalling or delaying payments in the sponsorship they promised. - HTOMario
That's 1 player
I had a very similar experience when I was on LYGF..i'm glad I left when I did. I had multiple late payments AND even CANCELLED payments. I'm sorry this happened to you Mario hopefully it doesn't happen to anyone else. - LYGFBails
In reply to Bails - Ah why didn't you say anything?! I'm sorry man I had no idea any of this was going on until it hit me as well. I thought everything was good and even replaced some gear which they never reimbursed me for back in early december - HTOMario
That's 2
Hi guys, this is SeOuLStEaL and I was on LYGF as well. When I woke up this morning, I must say that I didn't expect to hear that HTOMario had left LYGF... But when I asked Mario himself, I was shocked that not only did he leave the team, but that some of the rumors were true about some of the members not receiving payment. I thought that maybe the financial "issues" were resolved but it appears I was mistaken. When I saw that Mario had left LYGF, it struck me that maybe it was my time to leave too. - LYGFSeOuLStEaL
Wow, that makes 3!
It's also possible that Genius has not been paid either, while he was rumored to have been promised a 4k/month salary http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1wvm3j/lygfgenius_salary_leaked_see_inside_thoughts/
Confirmed on Skype genius has not been paid.
I was right from day 1. Check my post history LYGF was sketchy Day one yet LYGF down voted me and tried to make themselves look legit. LYGF should be ashamed. At least we caught scam now before it turned ink a hyun situation. Anton pascal has always been sketchy, from past teams. I hope this is a lesson to community to investigate and not be blinded. I wish Mario the best. - fxo_dragonflyss
If this is true, then that would make 4! And I'm sure there are others who have received late payments or not been paid at all that just haven't said anything yet. Honestly, if this isn't enough evidence, then you're blind.
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DAMN genius 4k a month DAMN.
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On February 15 2014 06:30 Smurfett3 wrote:
DAMN genius 4k a month DAMN.
Well, it's pretty easy to pay someone a 4k a month salary when, you know, you don't actually pay them...
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I still think my banner is awesome
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On February 15 2014 06:44 Waxangel wrote:
I still think my banner is awesome
Your banner is not related to this thread and also your post is not. Gratz!
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On February 15 2014 06:44 Waxangel wrote:
I still think my banner is awesome
Indeed
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4k a month should of been a red sign for genius to turn around. This is 2nd hand info but I thought 2k a month was considered really good.
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On February 15 2014 06:45 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Your banner is not related to this thread and also your post is not. Gratz!
Did you miss the joke or do girlfriends not exist in Finland
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On February 15 2014 06:48 TBone- wrote:
4k a month should of been a red sign for genius to turn around. This is 2nd hand info but I thought 2k a month was considered really good.
Yes it is second hand info, but put yourself in the position of the LYGF CEO. If people were saying things like this about your company and throwing around these accusations that aren't true, wouldn't you DO SOMETHING? There has been no official statement made by anyone on LYGF refuting any of these accusations... In fact, there hasn't been too many statements from them about anything. It's like they're just keeping their mouth shut about anything business/sponsor related and hoping that people just eventually stop caring... I mean go to their website and look at their list of sponsors (mainly Idea2create and AndroidTVCanada). I've never heard of either of them, and if you click the links to their websites, they're like the most sketchy/poorly designed websites I've ever seen, and after reading through them, I couldn't even tell you what they do, and there's no way in hell that they're able to fund a team with players like Genius and Tassadar... This entire organization just SCREAMS the word "scam."
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