Lineup Appearance: +1 Point* Game Win: +2 Points Game Loss: -1 Point 3-Game Win Streak: +1 Point 6-Game Win Streak: +2 Points 9-Game Win Streak: +3 Points Ace Appearance: +1 Points Ace Win: +3 Ace Loss: -2 Break Another Player's Streak: +1 Point Your Player's Team Wins: +1 Point**
*This point is applied even if your player does not play; he only has to appear in the lineup **This counts for all players on the team's roster, even if they did not play in the match
SK Telecom T1: 2 Points (+2 for 3-2 Victory) MVP: 1 Point (+1 for 2-3 Defeat) Rain: 5 Points (+1 for lineup, -1 for loss, +1 for ace appearance, +3 for ace win, +1 for team win) soO: 4 Points (+1 for lineup, +2 for win, +1 for team win) Parting: 4 Points (+1 for lineup, +2 for win, +1 for team win) Soulkey: 1 Point (+1 for lineup, -1 for loss, +1 for team win) DongRaeGu: -1 Points (+1 for lineup, -1 for loss, +1 for ace appearance, -2 for ace loss) Dream: 3 Points (+1 for lineup, +2 for win) Shine: 3 Points (+1 for lineup, +2 for win) Super: 0 Points (+1 for lineup, -1 for loss) Everyone else on SK Telecom T1: 1 Point (+1 for team win) Everyone else on MVP: 0 Points
Check lineups each week! Players facing weak teams are generally more valuable.
Don't make trades just for sake of making trades, as they cost you trade tax points and you may get stuck with a player you don't want
The trade price formula takes into account number of matches remaining -- so players with more matches remaining will have higher prices
You must trade for players with less value, but try to minimize the value loss. For example, if you trade someone worth 30 for someone worth 20, next week you can only trade the 20 for someone less. It's much better to trade the 30 for someone worth 29.
Groups
You will be able to create and join groups so you can compare your results with a smaller subset of the players, for example there might be a Staff Group, a First Time FPL Group, a USA Players Group, or a group created by you with just your friends.
Easy choices. For anti, Flash is nub, Stork is busy playing mobile games, and well I dunno, someone was saying Nestea probably wont even get to play anymore for IM... Hence the choices.
As for the main team. I'm banking on CJ and Prime to do work. 3 top-notch players from CJ so I just hope they get to play and have a 66%+ winrate. Then I picked the two best players on Prime which means guaranteed playtime, and they are also players who should be the ones winning. Hopefully it was a wise decision. Added in Zest for guaranteed playtime on the KT bench. Also he's protoss, and they have been doing pretty well, so I think it's a safe bet.
I noticed there are some players (Barbie & eins) and a team (Prime) that actually cost 0 points to add to your team. Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but I don't think that has ever been done before, and I'd love to hear the reasoning for the decision. They are considered even worse than a normal b-team no-namer?
On December 28 2013 03:49 jubil wrote: I noticed there are some players (Barbie & eins) and a team (Prime) that actually cost 0 points to add to your team. Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but I don't think that has ever been done before, and I'd love to hear the reasoning for the decision. They are considered even worse than a normal b-team no-namer?
Barbie is a female player. I don't mean this to be a sexist kind of comment, but that alone makes it unlikely that she'll ever be fielded. On top of this, several of Prime's b-teamers have terrible records. Take a few minutes and look at their Aligulac pages and I think you'll find that very few, if any, have match-ups above 50% win rate, many of them at 0%. Not only that, but Byun isn't even playing (right now) and Creator is far from where he was, leaving them with no competitive ace and a very shallow line-up. I unfortunately feel like if Prime finishes anything but distant last this season it'll be a huge surprise. I imagine monk's reasoning was similar.
I decided to go for good players from each team, primarily tosses because PvProleague. I think the consistency of sOs, Trap and Classic will edge me ahead combined with the reliability of Hydra and Bbyong (CJ seem to be in good form lately). Picked Terror because I needed a 2 pointer and he is playing the first week. Team IM because they have lots of good protosses at only 3 points cost.
Anti was easy, MVP Shine has never been consistent, Creator has slumped all of HoTS so that left me with the need to get a 5 pointer and this is where the real dilema hit. TY is wicked good when he is on, but can be abysmally poor when off, so I went with him, even though I know I could regret it later.
On December 28 2013 03:49 jubil wrote: I noticed there are some players (Barbie & eins) and a team (Prime) that actually cost 0 points to add to your team. Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but I don't think that has ever been done before, and I'd love to hear the reasoning for the decision. They are considered even worse than a normal b-team no-namer?
It's been done in bw fpl before. In bw, I believe Air Force ace was worth -1 a few times.
Also I'm aware of the race problems. For now please pick with race restrictions in mind, that is sorry should be t and emotion should be p.
Also, I'll see what I can do about actual prizes for this season.
On December 28 2013 03:49 jubil wrote: I noticed there are some players (Barbie & eins) and a team (Prime) that actually cost 0 points to add to your team. Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but I don't think that has ever been done before, and I'd love to hear the reasoning for the decision. They are considered even worse than a normal b-team no-namer?
It's been done in bw fpl before. In bw, I believe Air Force ace was worth -1 a few times.
Also I'm aware of the race problems. For now please pick with race restrictions in mind, that is sorry should be t and emotion should be p.
Also, I'll see what I can do about actual prizes for this season.
Oh wow, that's harsh D: Makes me kind of sad for Ace, even though such a score was probably pretty reasonable.
On December 28 2013 05:33 ShakkaFL wrote: Mvp for 3 points, what a steal
Yeah but he's not in the lineup so it could still be a bad deal. Like Sacsri and Dark are in good form and may be the best players pound-for-point (I made that up) at a measly 2 but T1 is too stacked and the series too small. :/
Do I understand it right that if a player in my team is sitting on the bench I get a point? I base it on "**This counts for all players on the team's roster, even if they did not play in the match"
So Sora is my captain because I met the kid at WCG and he s a really nice and talented guy (and he s from CJ). Picked Soulkey cause he s good and he came to have drinks with us! Hero and Byong because CJ will win all! Same for the team choice (fan boyism, sorry). And picked Barbie for fun (and also I had no points left). Because it would be damn awesome if she could win even one single game!
Anti team, well I hope they won't do too well (I feel so mean for just saying that
EDIT: oh god I almost forgot about Fantasy, I picked him for what he was in BW, and hoping oov's coaching can bring the power out from him...
On December 28 2013 05:40 Karuramon wrote: Do I understand it right that if a player in my team is sitting on the bench I get a point? I base it on "**This counts for all players on the team's roster, even if they did not play in the match"
If a player is listed in the weekly lineup (here's this week's), you get a point, even if the match ends too early for them to actually play. If a player's team wins the overall match, all players on that team get a point whether they were listed in the week's lineup or not.
The player links for on the FPL feature should to /hots not /sc2-korean. Also, there is a bug on /proleague/Entry.php where it displays the sidebar in the content area.
has anyone picked prime as a team yet? If I was even a little confident in them for 0 points they'd really free up the ability to get another really good player
EDIT: I see someone on the previous page did, the balls on that man (or girl I suppose)
On December 28 2013 06:50 TheTopQuark wrote: Are player/team point values being updated on a weekly basis?
Yes, each week values will be changed to reflect their performances. The original costs of each player from the beginning of the round will not change, but each player/team will also get a "trade value" based on their original cost, performance, etc. that involves mathy stuff.
And yeah, Sora will probably be the most picked player
On December 28 2013 08:39 Ammanas wrote: But really. Can I pick up CJ.Hush without expecting too many problems? Cause he is not a Zerg player and definitely isn't worth only 1 point, imo.
His rating isn't very high, but that's not necessarily too reliable an indicator. His vP isn't so hot, but he did go 2-3 to Sora 2 months ago. Overall, I'd pass, but you can judge for yourself.
Him being one point makes things better, I suppose. And he is on CJ Entus which everybody expects to win a lot. So I don't know.
For the team, we all know CJ Entus will rock this season. As for the others, Yonghwa has a tradition of playing well in team leagues, same as Keen. And we all know that sOs makes the sexiest builds to snipe some nerds, so he is the captain.
As for the anti-team, sorry Soulkey, you are now a T1 Zerg. Creator is playing so bad recently that he will not be the Prime's ace: that will be Byun. Salvation is just a filler.
On December 28 2013 09:56 Apoteosis wrote: As for the anti-team, sorry Soulkey, you are now a T1 Zerg. Creator is playing so bad recently that he will not be the Prime's ace: that will be Byun. Salvation is just a filler.
creator will be prime's ace, byun isn't even fielded lol
KT combo for free points. Coca and MVP are great low points players who can win matches easy. HerO will probably have a lot of games. Let's see how RorO will be doing. IM for heart
Anti Team : Trap has yonghwa and HerO in his team, Classic has Rain and Parting. Super because i needed 5 points to complete.
On December 28 2013 09:56 Apoteosis wrote: As for the anti-team, sorry Soulkey, you are now a T1 Zerg. Creator is playing so bad recently that he will not be the Prime's ace: that will be Byun. Salvation is just a filler.
creator will be prime's ace, byun isn't even fielded lol
I'm hoping for jinair to do well, and MVP to do poorly. This can easily backfire, and I can see myself doing terribly. I'm more worried about jinair sucking than MVP doing well, though DRG on anti is not something I'm happy with. Also, I'm choosing to ignore the hype around sora, and sticking to squirtle instead, we'll see if this comes back to bite me as well lol.
Edit: Maybe replacing rogue with sora, and using some 1 cost guy, not sure yet :O
For example, Mvp is at 3 points, which I think is ridiculously low, except he doesn't play this week. But if he does play both matches next week, will his value increase to like 6-8 (because he is clearly at that level), or will it be a smaller increase, like 3.5?
I'm wondering if I should get him anyway while he is cheap.
On December 28 2013 21:36 dehydrogenaza wrote: So how does the trade value work?
For example, Mvp is at 3 points, which I think is ridiculously low, except he doesn't play this week. But if he does play both matches next week, will his value increase to like 6-8 (because he is clearly at that level), or will it be a smaller increase, like 3.5?
I'm wondering if I should get him anyway while he is cheap.
It's not 2011 anymore But it will be probably smaller increase, depending on points earned.
On December 28 2013 21:36 dehydrogenaza wrote: So how does the trade value work?
For example, Mvp is at 3 points, which I think is ridiculously low, except he doesn't play this week. But if he does play both matches next week, will his value increase to like 6-8 (because he is clearly at that level), or will it be a smaller increase, like 3.5?
I'm wondering if I should get him anyway while he is cheap.
Talk about expectation. Week 1 lineup can quite reflect how frequently one player could be fielded, except for Fantasy (cuz T1 has too many heavy hitters), RorO (he also disappeared for some time last year iirc) and (to a lesser extent) PigBaby.
For Mvp specifically, when was the last time he performed in teamleague? beating Bomber on TDA in '11 maybe. And the fact that IM maxing on tosses? and the fact that he plays WCS EU? You decide man
On December 28 2013 21:36 dehydrogenaza wrote: So how does the trade value work?
For example, Mvp is at 3 points, which I think is ridiculously low, except he doesn't play this week. But if he does play both matches next week, will his value increase to like 6-8 (because he is clearly at that level), or will it be a smaller increase, like 3.5?
I'm wondering if I should get him anyway while he is cheap.
Talk about expectation. Week 1 lineup can quite reflect how frequently one player could be fielded, except for Fantasy (cuz T1 has too many heavy hitters), RorO (he also disappeared for some time last year iirc) and (to a lesser extent) PigBaby.
For Mvp specifically, when was the last time he performed in teamleague? beating Bomber on TDA in '11 maybe. And the fact that IM maxing on tosses? and the fact that he plays WCS EU? You decide man
Well, you are probably right, it just seems wrong that Mvp is valued at 3 when comparing his skill level to other 3-pointers. It's easy to overlook the fact that he might not bring that many points to the team despite his skill.
On December 28 2013 22:42 Sharkken wrote: lol nice hack to the players picture!! that was not like this (with X's) this morning :D
lol yah, I also laughed when I saw this right now. When I signed up for the team yesterday I was like, WOW, most of these guys are not even in proleague anymore...
On December 28 2013 21:36 dehydrogenaza wrote: So how does the trade value work?
For example, Mvp is at 3 points, which I think is ridiculously low, except he doesn't play this week. But if he does play both matches next week, will his value increase to like 6-8 (because he is clearly at that level), or will it be a smaller increase, like 3.5?
I'm wondering if I should get him anyway while he is cheap.
Trade values increase based on victories and losses, not whether they are in the lineup. Therefore, I would wait until he's actually in the lineup before getting him ^^
On December 29 2013 03:01 crimsonlink wrote: Surprised that people are picking Barbie Prime over Eins Prime who is also 0 but actually has a chance of playing in the rounds lol. Too late now. ;P
Well chances are close to 0 that we will ever see him getting playtime. Plus every good team needs a motivator, and who would be a better one than Barbie!?
Except for the CJ stars, every player I chose is either playing twice or is on a team that plays twice. This gives me the opportunity to gain the most freebie team win points if all goes well. Also, I could stand to lose the most :S
A bit hard this time. Soulkey is probably the only Zerg I'd feel comfortable in picking, but I can't find enough points for him. And I must of course make sure that I can trade in Fantasy as soon as Oov has whipped him into shape.
On December 29 2013 06:07 Ophe wrote: A bit hard this time. Soulkey is probably the only Zerg I'd feel comfortable in picking, but I can't find enough points for him. And I must of course make sure that I can trade in Fantasy as soon as Oov has whipped him into shape.
I feel the same, picked Terror out of hope he turns out to be really good and for value. Terran also sucks, I have faith in Fantasy turning things around this season however.
I feel the bravery inside me... I couldn't have myself pick Flash because its simply too safe, so I picked DRG in hopes of the true dong shining strong in this Proleague
Maru is a must - seems relentlessly hardworking and still room for improvement especially now that he's in a kespa team environment. Mvp - i think proleague format will suit him perfectly. His intelligence and ability just to win makes him a steal at 3. I think DRG is relatively easy to snipe and MVP will struggle a lot. I don't mind being proved wrong though
Note that signups are closed manually. In the event they are closed late, keep in mind teams entered or modified after the deadline will be disqualified!
Is there any chance that a "% owned" category could ever be added to the system? I've seen it in football fantasy leagues, and I'm always curious about the number of people who have main or anti teamed the popular proleague players.
At any rate, looking forward to the start of the season! I hope herO[join] is worth all the points I paid for him...
On December 29 2013 15:41 TLPlusPlus wrote: Is there any chance that a "% owned" category could ever be added to the system? I've seen it in football fantasy leagues, and I'm always curious about the number of people who have main or anti teamed the popular proleague players.
At any rate, looking forward to the start of the season! I hope herO[join] is worth all the points I paid for him...
There isn't a % owned, but you will be able to see the straight up numbers on each player, including "on main team", "on antiteam", "bought", and "sold", and also order the list of players by each metric.
Happy birthday! I hope herO does well too, since I also got him
Oh, that's even better, thanks bacon! I was hoping that he had not gotten too hyped up and I could get him for cheap, but alas the FPL staff is ahead of the curve.
Ugh I'm at -2 after day 1, but my roster is heavy with players on day 2. Was really rooting for Hero though. I also spent a ton of play money on him at egamingbets. Oh well, I just hope he gets fielded often this season.
On December 29 2013 22:56 Kettchup wrote: Kinda sucks when your anti-team player doesn't play, team doesn't win and he still costs you a point.
That is life. When you pick the player you pick the team as well.
On December 29 2013 23:20 kinGChaos wrote: Ugh I'm at -2 after day 1, but my roster is heavy with players on day 2. Was really rooting for Hero though. I also spent a ton of play money on him at egamingbets. Oh well, I just hope he gets fielded often this season.
P.s. Add one more for Shine on my anti
Only? I think a lot of people would be happy with a -2 right now
514 teams have CoCa. Sacsri and Dark are in 219 combined. Both of them are better 2p zergs and on a better team. Will they get play time? Nah. But will CoCa? Nah. So what am I missing here?
On December 29 2013 23:52 AlternativeEgo wrote: 514 teams have CoCa. Sacsri and Dark are in 219 combined. Both of them are better 2p zergs and on a better team. Will they get play time? Nah. But will CoCa? Nah. So what am I missing here?
I think Coca is slightly more likely to play but slightly less likely to pull in bonus points from his team's wins. I guess it's the name value
sacsri and dark are competing with players like fanta, soo and classic for the last playtime slot while jin air has two slots which are pretty flexible, and coca is probably their second string zerg. he'll see play.
On December 29 2013 23:52 AlternativeEgo wrote: 514 teams have CoCa. Sacsri and Dark are in 219 combined. Both of them are better 2p zergs and on a better team. Will they get play time? Nah. But will CoCa? Nah. So what am I missing here?
On December 29 2013 23:52 AlternativeEgo wrote: 514 teams have CoCa. Sacsri and Dark are in 219 combined. Both of them are better 2p zergs and on a better team. Will they get play time? Nah. But will CoCa? Nah. So what am I missing here?
CoCa will definitely get play time.
and he's a cheap pick. one who doesn't cost much but has potential to score some points.
sacsri will at least get some points from SKT winning.
On December 29 2013 23:52 AlternativeEgo wrote: 514 teams have CoCa. Sacsri and Dark are in 219 combined. Both of them are better 2p zergs and on a better team. Will they get play time? Nah. But will CoCa? Nah. So what am I missing here?
Coca will definitely get to play. There are 4 players competing for spots #3 and #4 on the lineups - Terminator, Rogue, Pigbaby and Coca. I believe they will be alternating a lot.
On December 30 2013 02:30 R1CH wrote: Results for Day 1 are entered. Due to the format changes there may be some bugs, let me know if some scoring seems off.
there werne't any 2 point players I really liked, so I just downgraded to the 1 point SKT_sorry to see how many team win points I could get from him, while using that 1 point to upgrade hydra to hero
On December 30 2013 02:37 Estancia wrote: Can someone tell me how i lost 1 point with fantasy in my anti team?
SKT won their match
Oh thanks. I forgot your players gain 1 point for winning games. Now that I think of it I think I screwed up. Lets just hope I won't see fantasy for next 3/4 rounds
On December 30 2013 02:40 Waxangel wrote: there werne't any 2 point players I really liked, so I just downgraded to the 1 point SKT_sorry to see how many team win points I could get from him, while using that 1 point to upgrade hydra to hero
A good move
I'm really afraid not getting parting was a bad decision ;;
On December 30 2013 02:50 Wingblade wrote: I noticed a Byul only scored 7 points. Shouldn't he get 8, since he won his match and the ace match, which meant that his team won...
he forgot to add the 1+ ace apperance, which is why creator only has 1 points instead of 2. they'll fix it soon i bet
On December 30 2013 02:30 R1CH wrote: Results for Day 1 are entered. Due to the format changes there may be some bugs, let me know if some scoring seems off.
i think you forgot ace appearance, byul should have 8, creator should have 2. (they have 7 and 1 respectively as of now)
On December 30 2013 03:44 KrazyTrumpet wrote: A tad confused, Shine on my anti team, didn't play, MVP lost, but -1 point? I'm still a bit nub when it comes to FPL so forgive my ignorance.
On December 30 2013 04:01 sidusknight wrote: Why exactly do I get +1 from players like Fantasy and Mvp, when they haven't been fielded in any match yet?
On December 30 2013 03:44 KrazyTrumpet wrote: A tad confused, Shine on my anti team, didn't play, MVP lost, but -1 point? I'm still a bit nub when it comes to FPL so forgive my ignorance.
I have a problem with creator : he has 1pt. 1 for lineup, 2 for game won, 1 for ace selection, -2 for ace loss. He should have 2. I guess he got double dipped with -1 for game loss AND -2 for ace loss? Thats a bug ! In that case since he was on the lineup twice why not give him 2 pts for 2 lineup appearances...
Could have 3, should have 2, has 1. Or did i miss something?
Eing selected as an ace usually couldnt make you lose points. When was this put in place? Worst case they broke even last time i checked :-o too risky ><
On December 30 2013 05:28 R1CH wrote: Ace appearance gives 0 points (OP was wrong) since you already get the +1 from regular appearance too.
Is that right? So a player only get a point for ace selection if he's NOT already in the regular lineup? If so I might have to trade Creator--one of the reasons I chose him is because I feel like he's going to be Prime's ace whenever they have an ace match, but he's always going to be in their regular lineup too so then ace is not as valuable...
On December 30 2013 05:28 R1CH wrote: Ace appearance gives 0 points (OP was wrong) since you already get the +1 from regular appearance too.
If a player does not appear in the usual lineup but is sent for ace, does he still get the appearance point? That is to say, is the appearance point for normal matches only, or for both normal and ace matches, but only counts once?
Anyway this new way of counting changes FPL strategy by quite a bit, as picking an ace is riskier if he doesn't perform.
On December 30 2013 05:28 R1CH wrote: Ace appearance gives 0 points (OP was wrong) since you already get the +1 from regular appearance too.
you sure about this? I thought FPL points always have worked like that. cause otherwise ace match loss completely denies "regular" wins which to me makes no sense.
plus having not said that in the OP, the drafting for "serious" fantasy players would have been different, since i picked creator for his ACE point potential over other good 4 pointers. Now me having creator is hella risky as he will most definately play as ace, but might not make points at all.
On December 30 2013 05:28 R1CH wrote: Ace appearance gives 0 points (OP was wrong) since you already get the +1 from regular appearance too.
you sure about this? I thought FPL points always have worked like that. cause otherwise ace match loss completely denies "regular" wins which to me makes no sense.
You're right. In the past Ace appearances counted as an additional point. But they seem to have changed it this time round.
On a side note, some interesting statistics:
Top 5 most popular players on main" Sora 1252 HerO 965 Maru 929 Soulkey 903 Fantasy 898
Top 5 most popular players on anti: DongRaeGu 1194 Super 697 TY(Baby) 588 Creator 524 RorO 503
On December 30 2013 05:28 R1CH wrote: Ace appearance gives 0 points (OP was wrong) since you already get the +1 from regular appearance too.
you sure about this? I thought FPL points always have worked like that. cause otherwise ace match loss completely denies "regular" wins which to me makes no sense.
You're right. In the past Ace appearances counted as an additional point. But they seem to have changed it this time round.
On a side note, some interesting statistics:
Top 5 most popular players on main" Sora 1252 HerO 965 Maru 929 Soulkey 903 Fantasy 898
Top 5 most popular players on anti: DongRaeGu 1194 Super 697 TY(Baby) 588 Creator 524 RorO 503
yeah i guess...
lol these stats interesting... sora 1252! the bandwagon is so heavy; when it crashes, poor families... my sincere condolences in advance.
On December 30 2013 05:28 R1CH wrote: Ace appearance gives 0 points (OP was wrong) since you already get the +1 from regular appearance too.
you sure about this? I thought FPL points always have worked like that. cause otherwise ace match loss completely denies "regular" wins which to me makes no sense.
You're right. In the past Ace appearances counted as an additional point. But they seem to have changed it this time round.
On a side note, some interesting statistics:
Top 5 most popular players on main" Sora 1252 HerO 965 Maru 929 Soulkey 903 Fantasy 898
Top 5 most popular players on anti: DongRaeGu 1194 Super 697 TY(Baby) 588 Creator 524 RorO 503
yeah i guess...
lol these stats interesting... sora 1252! the bandwagon is so heavy; when it crashes, poor families... my sincere condolences in advance.
It is not really a bandwagon if you can get a really solid player for 4 points who in the worst case scenario only wins around 50%.
But who the fuck takes TY on their antis? I think that is suicidal
Please fix this issue:If you go to the Fantasy PL rules by clicking on Features -> Fantasy Starcraft -> PL Rules you get linked to the old thread. So i got confused with the rules. You might wanna fix the link to this thread.
I noticed I didn't miss any of the FPL's since round 13. This is the first one I missed . Noo, I broke my own participation streak >.<. I didn't know I had good attendance until I actually checked which ones I participated in and noticed I participated in them all since round 13 >.<. Now my streak is gone .
I just want everyone to know I would have picked RorO and Soo (Captain) and DRG on my team and I never would have traded them.
That is all.
And I just found this post. Hmm I forgot about that.
After day 1, I come out with -1 from my anti-team. Not too shabby seeing as my team is all KT all the time. Time for KT to be awesome and gimme all da points. :D
Ace lineup was not counting correctly due to the switch from Bo7 to Bo5. This has been fixed and scores have been re-calculated. I also fixed the highest rankings.
On December 31 2013 00:12 opterown wrote: ace appearance is now +1 point, OP was corrected incorrectly
The OP is correct, you still don't get any points for ace appearance. Regular appearance is counted when appearing for ace, just like regular win / loss. All the ace scoring is in addition to regular scoring.
On December 31 2013 02:57 insitelol wrote: Can someone clarify the situation: HerO and Flash both lost but gave me 1 point. For appearance i guess. But what about -1 for the loss?
On December 31 2013 00:12 opterown wrote: ace appearance is now +1 point, OP was corrected incorrectly
The OP is correct, you still don't get any points for ace appearance. Regular appearance is counted when appearing for ace, just like regular win / loss. All the ace scoring is in addition to regular scoring.
Hu ? Am I correct in understanding the following :
So you get 1 point for appearing in a regular match, AND 1+0 point for appearing again (+1 regular appearance, +0 specifically for the ace) ? You get your +2/-1 for the non ace match. Then for this Ace match you get either +3 or -2 (but not added to another +2/-1),
Head hurts. what's the difference with the usual +1 regular appearance, +1 ace appearance -_- Complicates things needlessly ? Or have I missed something ?
Bolded part is confusing to me, it makes me think for ace scoring you add regular scoring for the ace match and ace match scoring.
Both Flash and Stork earn me 1 point only . But I have faith in Flash bringing me many points. Stork on the other hand . .maybe Maru is too imbal . So I hope for best
On December 31 2013 00:12 opterown wrote: ace appearance is now +1 point, OP was corrected incorrectly
The OP is correct, you still don't get any points for ace appearance. Regular appearance is counted when appearing for ace, just like regular win / loss. All the ace scoring is in addition to regular scoring.
Hu ? Am I correct in understanding the following :
So you get 1 point for appearing in a regular match, AND 1+0 point for appearing again (+1 regular appearance, +0 specifically for the ace) ? You get your +2/-1 for the non ace match. Then for this Ace match you get either +3 or -2 (but not added to another +2/-1),
Head hurts. what's the difference with the usual +1 regular appearance, +1 ace appearance -_- Complicates things needlessly ? Or have I missed something ?
Bolded part is confusing to me, it makes me think for ace scoring you add regular scoring for the ace match and ace match scoring.
The scoring internally and the scoring outlined in the OP are different. Just ignore what I said and go by the (again edited) OP.
On December 31 2013 04:32 RoyalFlush89 wrote: I had Flash on my anti-team. He lost today, and I still got -1? Thought I should have gotten + points for that.
How does that work and where can I read about points system?
In first post? :D Flash appeared in roster, so it's +1. He lost, so it's -1, you have 0 already. But KT won, so it's +1. And he's in your anti-team, so it's -1 instead of +1. Easy.
On December 31 2013 06:26 Dingodile wrote: I dont understand anti-team... I pick players which I think they will play bad at proleague or pick players will play good but aren't in my team?
try to pick 3 players around the 3-6 range that you think will do poorly compared to the other guys there is one strategy. another strat is picking one ace-level player and two noobs, and hope the ace really chokes.
On December 31 2013 06:49 dehydrogenaza wrote: So yesterday I had 7 points for ByuL, and now I have 8. I'm pretty sure I don't understand something. Not that I mind the extra point...
Ace match fielding awarded you 1 point, It did not yesterday because system was set up for bo7 format, it is fixed now so you got your extra point.
On December 31 2013 05:23 esdf wrote: why did i get neg point for reality on my anti? the guy didn't play and WAS NOT on the team today...
some of you really need to pay more attention to the rules. good thing other guys are nice and informed you already but come on already. It's getting ridiculous with regards to how many people have posed questions that you can find pretty easily.
On December 31 2013 06:49 dehydrogenaza wrote: So yesterday I had 7 points for ByuL, and now I have 8. I'm pretty sure I don't understand something. Not that I mind the extra point...
Ace match fielding awarded you 1 point, It did not yesterday because system was set up for bo7 format, it is fixed now so you got your extra point.
Thanks, I thought I read that Ace appearance won't award a point in this FPL. I was probably too tired to understand, and by tired I mean drunk.
Was it a mistake not picking players from teams that play twice this week? Or even the teams. It seems somewhat unfair that you can trade after the week and some teams have played twice. O_o Or am I missing something?
On December 31 2013 08:23 HolydaKing wrote: Was it a mistake not picking players from teams that play twice this week? Or even the teams. It seems somewhat unfair that you can trade after the week and some teams have played twice. O_o Or am I missing something?
no, not at all! you might get a slight lead in the first week, but the teams that play once this week will be playing twice in the next, and vice versa. it shouldn't make much of a difference at all.
On December 31 2013 08:23 HolydaKing wrote: Was it a mistake not picking players from teams that play twice this week? Or even the teams. It seems somewhat unfair that you can trade after the week and some teams have played twice. O_o Or am I missing something?
Players with less games remaining will lose a bit of value...
On December 31 2013 08:23 HolydaKing wrote: Was it a mistake not picking players from teams that play twice this week? Or even the teams. It seems somewhat unfair that you can trade after the week and some teams have played twice. O_o Or am I missing something?
no problem, you can't really trade players who played twice since the trade points accounts for the amount of games left to play.
I hate that I done this to me. I picked MVP as my team but all they are doing is losing They cost 3 $ but soon MVP is worth of 2$ anymore and then 1$ (
On December 31 2013 07:02 TT1 wrote: i dont like the current pts system. too much emphasis on ace wins and not enough on team wins
Team wins used to be worth more, it was 8 points for a 4-0 iirc. But they nerfed it because the optimum strategy was to go allin on one team - some guy actually won a season using SKT allin.
On December 31 2013 07:02 TT1 wrote: i dont like the current pts system. too much emphasis on ace wins and not enough on team wins
Team wins used to be worth more, it was 8 points for a 4-0 iirc. But they nerfed it because the optimum strategy was to go allin on one team - some guy actually won a season using SKT allin.
R1 of SPL last year was dominated by KT allins, they changed it after that.
On December 31 2013 07:02 TT1 wrote: i dont like the current pts system. too much emphasis on ace wins and not enough on team wins
Team wins used to be worth more, it was 8 points for a 4-0 iirc. But they nerfed it because the optimum strategy was to go allin on one team - some guy actually won a season using SKT allin.
The first sc2 round was pretty funny with everyone at the top rocking the KT lineups
Yea Byul doing good in week1. But SPL is not only about week 1, so everything is still uncertain .
My wish : Flash perform well starting next year : Stork get better each time : Jila will become Monster. : Sniper able to becoming better and better. : TY becoming a must in every KT match, just like Flash. His sidekick? : Squirtle evolving to next level.
Ah, I am curious about week 2 lineup. Flash looks so sad after he lost that game vs Sora. .
On December 31 2013 23:31 shid0x wrote: Sasquatch #1 ! for now.
Happy with my top 200 atm :p
I don't see you in Millenium's group. Come in
I made my team too swiftly this thime so I don't know how I'll fare. I initially wanted ByuL but due to the re-introduction of the 1 player of each race rule, I decided to go with Soulkey instead. Oh well. It would be very surprising to see him fail every time.
On December 31 2013 23:31 shid0x wrote: Sasquatch #1 ! for now.
Happy with my top 200 atm :p
I don't see you in Millenium's group. Come in
I made my team too swiftly this thime so I don't know how I'll fare. I initially wanted ByuL but due to the re-introduction of the 1 player of each race rule, I decided to go with Soulkey instead. Oh well. It would be very surprising to see him fail every time.
On December 31 2013 23:31 shid0x wrote: Sasquatch #1 ! for now.
Happy with my top 200 atm :p
I don't see you in Millenium's group. Come in
I made my team too swiftly this thime so I don't know how I'll fare. I initially wanted ByuL but due to the re-introduction of the 1 player of each race rule, I decided to go with Soulkey instead. Oh well. It would be very surprising to see him fail every time.
On January 03 2014 04:15 DaveyGLoBaL wrote: Anyone know if proleague actually has standardized roster lineup announcements and if so when those would be? The anticipation is killing me!!!
It's killing me as well but mostly because I can't write the preview tt
I wish they'd be a little quicker with the announcements, but I suppose they might already be available on the Korean sites
next time i'll get players from teams that play twice in the weeks. everyone at top has IM / SKT players. and as they're worth a lot now, they can be traded away easily to the teams that play twice next week. just need some good prediction skills while doing such strategy. xD
On January 03 2014 09:07 lokes wrote: Anyone knows where are the line ups posted in the first place? So I don't have to wait for someone to post them here or in reddit
Well, xpaperclip got the lineups from last week here. So if you can read Korean, that site in general should have everything.
Rain - Will face hot ByuL Solar - Up against Zest. It's ok Squirtle - Soulkey in the fourth game Sora - Played twice! ..but against RorO and sOs, and both in the fourth games of the series Bbyung - Nope Pigbaby - Nope T1 - One match
RorO - Will lose against both Sora and Stats. No worries Byun - haha DRG - hihi
ByuL for sOs (ByuL only plays once, and it's against Rain; Sora will be tough but sOs undervalued now and I'm going all-in on my Jin Air investment)
YongHwa for Reality (YH only plays once, and it's against the best PvP in the world (PartinG); Reality plays twice, neither Hydra nor TY are terrifying, and from what I saw of him in WCS KR, Reality is a little undervalued)
I didn't get him because he doesn't have much synergy with my team (since KT is playing Jin Air this week) but I have a feeling Zest is a good pick for W2.
Edit: Poor DRG now only appeared in 1 out of 3 MVP matches; doesn't seem like they have a lot of confidence in him. If Hydra crushes face this week I'll regret being a hipster nerd and not taking DRG for my anti-team like seemingly everyone did.
oh god, two of my anti-team players are playing twice brb heart attack PartinG --> Zest SKT --> KT (anti) Reality --> Classic I'm keeping Stats on my anti-team I guess ._. I might change my mind
Bbyong -> Dream: playing once is better than nothing, plus I think he'll murder Terror and MVP will win that
Stats -> Byul : this one hurts since I like Byul so much and really thought he was underrated coming into this. Playing only once and against Rain on what looks like a pretty good protoss map is too good not to have on anti though.
Now I'm debating whether I should trade Soulkey for Hydra. The ROI for Soulkey has been disappointing so far, but he's probably the best Zerg in the league. Yet, Hydra could be good in the short-term and down the line he's probably going to be played just as much for CJ as Soulkey is for SKT. Decisions decisions...
On January 03 2014 20:16 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Bbyong -> Dream: playing once is better than nothing, plus I think he'll murder Terror and MVP will win that
^This
Squirtle -> Rogue: Playing 2 times, against managable opponents.
Reality -> soO: Playing only once and against opponent I don't think he will beat.
Why on earth sOs and Flash have higher trade value than Soulkey?
Meh, I consider trading Bbyong out, since he doesn't appear this week in either of 2 games, but the only viable options are Keen and Dream, so I'm not sure.
I'm also considering swapping Soulkey for Hydra, since he has 1 more game and is guaranteed to play, while Soulkey is in 4th spot again, and might not do so good against Squirtle. Plus I have both those guys on my team (Soulkey and Squirtle). Additionally I think it might be a good idea to trade Squirtle for Kal, mostly due to hype, but Kal showed some good stuff so far and is guaranteed to play in every match. Any suggestions guys?
Main team Bbyong OUT => KeeN IN 2 weeks in and no sign of bbyong, i didn't pay for this, also keen seems to be fielded in a lot ! and he's not bad vs protoss.
Anti Super OUT => Stork IN AHAHAAHAHAHA LOL STURK. Saw him in some online qualifiers about a month ago he got his ass kicked twice by an unkown european player so yeah...he ghanna get raped.
I was thinking about this too and decided to keep herO since he's more likely to be fielded in ace matches. (and has 1 more game left to play than Soulkey)
herO is going to play Stork, so his win and CJ Entus win is highly expected. Also he's going to face Maru, so, total different result to previous line is expected as well. So, in the worst case, you're not getting anything. In best case, which is real (at least, 1/2 wins and 2 CJ Entus wins), it's ok to have him.
Hydra is playing ZvP and ZvT, and i'm not sure that he will beat Reality, so it's same result as herO.
Soulkey is playing only once, but there are tons of things. Ofc, we're expecting SKT T1 to win. Soulkey is playing 4th, and PartinG, Rain and soO can finish everything before he plays, even though i think that Trap will beat soO. Also Soulkey-Squirtle will be played on Yeonsu, so chance of some kind of all-in is highly expected and Soulkey has already lost to Kal.
But if you want to risk - ofc. (there is no information about ace matches, but i'm not expecting Soulkey to come in ace, as well as Hydra. herO or Effort will play ace for CJ Entus probably and PartinG or Rain - for SKT T1).
On January 04 2014 03:59 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: herO is going to play Stork, so his win and CJ Entus win is highly expected. Also he's going to face Maru, so, total different result to previous line is expected as well. So, in the worst case, you're not getting anything. In best case, which is real (at least, 1/2 wins and 2 CJ Entus wins), it's ok to have him.
Hydra is playing ZvP and ZvT, and i'm not sure that he will beat Reality, so it's same result as herO.
Soulkey is playing only once, but there are tons of things. Ofc, we're expecting SKT T1 to win. Soulkey is playing 4th, and PartinG, Rain and soO can finish everything before he plays, even though i think that Trap will beat soO. Also Soulkey-Squirtle will be played on Yeonsu, so chance of some kind of all-in is highly expected and Soulkey has already lost to Kal.
But if you want to risk - ofc. (there is no information about ace matches, but i'm not expecting Soulkey to come in ace, as well as Hydra. herO or Effort will play ace for CJ Entus probably and PartinG or Rain - for SKT T1).
Link to my post My point in doing hero -> soulkey/hydra and soO -> Kal was to ditch soO and get Kal who has 2 matches and I believe will do good overall. To do that I need another zerg to replace soO so I have to trade one of my protosses for a zerg.
On January 03 2014 23:45 shid0x wrote: Main team Bbyong OUT => KeeN IN 2 weeks in and no sign of bbyong, i didn't pay for this, also keen seems to be fielded in a lot ! and he's not bad vs protoss.
Anti Super OUT => Stork IN AHAHAAHAHAHA LOL STURK. Saw him in some online qualifiers about a month ago he got his ass kicked twice by an unkown european player so yeah...he ghanna get raped.
I have Stork in my team . After those loss, do u guys tink Stork is still regular in the lineup?
Why Roro is the most picked? I noe RoRo win OSL before. So I am wary of picking him.
I picked Hydra because I noe nothing about him hahahaha.
Any1 picked SOS as anti?
Anyway, this is only week 2, so it is hard to predict. Because, seeing the Champion lose 2 games, I just feel this is not his true worth? Need more time to judge ur FPL.
So maybe RoRo will perform bad after this.
Maybe CJ will perform better from week 3 . Then I will be sad.
Maybe Flash will play better soon. I remember Flash vs TY & Flash vs Innovation last year.
He doesn't look lost in his games. Now TY still perform as good as I remember him. But Flash seems playing a little bit bad, after he went to Thailand vacation after SPL.
On January 03 2014 23:45 shid0x wrote: Main team Bbyong OUT => KeeN IN 2 weeks in and no sign of bbyong, i didn't pay for this, also keen seems to be fielded in a lot ! and he's not bad vs protoss.
Anti Super OUT => Stork IN AHAHAAHAHAHA LOL STURK. Saw him in some online qualifiers about a month ago he got his ass kicked twice by an unkown european player so yeah...he ghanna get raped.
I have Stork in my team . After those loss, do u guys tink Stork is still regular in the lineup?
stork will probably be send more. But he sucks hard, most of his team is better than him (Reality,Solar,RorO (deal with it) TrendShine and probably even eMotion )
On January 03 2014 23:45 shid0x wrote: Main team Bbyong OUT => KeeN IN 2 weeks in and no sign of bbyong, i didn't pay for this, also keen seems to be fielded in a lot ! and he's not bad vs protoss.
Anti Super OUT => Stork IN AHAHAAHAHAHA LOL STURK. Saw him in some online qualifiers about a month ago he got his ass kicked twice by an unkown european player so yeah...he ghanna get raped.
I have Stork in my team . After those loss, do u guys tink Stork is still regular in the lineup?
stork will probably be send more. But he sucks hard, most of his team is better than him (Reality,Solar,RorO (deal with it) TrendShine and probably even eMotion )
It's Samsung. They'll keep sending Stork out as long as he's in their roster. I wonder if he can beat his long ass losing streak last season.
ByuL pls. One of my biggest regrets so far is not picking him. Tomorrow shall be fun, sOs vs Sora, win win situation there either way. But come on Jin Air, I need more points from you than I do CJ.
On January 06 2014 22:49 gedatsu wrote: There's people competing for the last place in fpl, but the guy currently in second last place, I think he made an honest team :D
Haha I noticed that too, with sOs as team captain? For sure.
ByuL is pretty much defining who's winning, far behind, or ruined at this point in FPL.
I should've stuck with my original FPL list (had Byul on it). I last second switched to a different one. Oh well, that's life, I just have to deal with it.
Have sOs as team captain, still in middle of the pack :D #believe But will have to work with trades srsly next week, it's getting out of control. At least anti-team works nice and don't steal everything like Roro or Sniper does.
I am #295. Is it @ the middle of the pack or I am doing well?
My anti team have not cost me any point yet. I wan to end week 2 with -0 point.
Hydra game tml is important.
And Flash & TY can win me more points
Stork earn me 2 points kkkk. As long as he is regular he will help me earn some tips. Hope stork will win next week. Of course, he must be field out first.
Good god. For some horrid reason I put Stats on my anti and lost 4 there. Now I lost another 5 for having RorO. Meanwhile I traded Classic away for Kal. T_T
On January 07 2014 04:46 XiaoJoyce- wrote: I am #295. Is it @ the middle of the pack or I am doing well?
My anti team have not cost me any point yet. I wan to end week 2 with -0 point.
Hydra game tml is important.
And Flash & TY can win me more points
Stork earn me 2 points kkkk. As long as he is regular he will help me earn some tips. Hope stork will win next week. Of course, he must be field out first.
God damn I have had some bad luck, or I'm just really overestimating how good my predictions were. I mean, on paper my team should be good, but I guess there are just some things you can't account for, like roro being good T_T
On January 07 2014 15:57 9-BiT wrote: God damn I have had some bad luck, or I'm just really overestimating how good my predictions were. I mean, on paper my team should be good, but I guess there are just some things you can't account for, like roro being good T_T
lol, RorO wrecking antiteams is knowledge that has been passed on through the generations since time immemorial.
On January 07 2014 15:57 9-BiT wrote: God damn I have had some bad luck, or I'm just really overestimating how good my predictions were. I mean, on paper my team should be good, but I guess there are just some things you can't account for, like roro being good T_T
roro is doing fine at 5 points, it's mainly byul at 16 which is killing people lol
On January 07 2014 15:57 9-BiT wrote: God damn I have had some bad luck, or I'm just really overestimating how good my predictions were. I mean, on paper my team should be good, but I guess there are just some things you can't account for, like roro being good T_T
lol, RorO wrecking antiteams is knowledge that has been passed on through the generations since time immemorial.
I put him on my anti-team and named the team "Roro pls". Didn't help.
On January 07 2014 15:57 9-BiT wrote: God damn I have had some bad luck, or I'm just really overestimating how good my predictions were. I mean, on paper my team should be good, but I guess there are just some things you can't account for, like roro being good T_T
lol, RorO wrecking antiteams is knowledge that has been passed on through the generations since time immemorial.
I put him on my anti-team and named the team "Roro pls". Didn't help.
u please RoRo to lose. He will work extra hard not to lose.
I have a really important question concerning the scoring system in the round playoffs: Does the scoring continue by sticking to the original rules? If yes, I think that might be a problem. Think about it: Only players and teams that play in the playoffs are still able to score you points while all others cant. This way players from bad teams get way less attractive while players from good teams get way more attractive for the main team due to the different ability to score further points in the playoffs. Same counts vice versa for the anti team. And then players from bad teams will be way too expensive (in terms of trading points) compared to the ability to score points due to the playoffs.
This will lead to a decline in variety of the FPL rosters (everybody will try to get mostly players from good teams since the point scoring abilty of the other players is not adequately reflected in their trading points), which is a bad thing in my opinion. Honestly I dont have a solution yet, since I just noticed that problem. So are you going to make any changes or is it just the way it is?
On January 08 2014 01:09 KatatoniK wrote: Just looking at my trade options. GG everyone I'm done. Can't trade Flash at all and my rOrO trade options aren't ideal either
Haha, I'm screwed too, traded PartinG for Zest instead of Squirtle away
I'm rank 3 ^_^ trading ByuL for sOs hasn't worked out great (at least this week) but Maru and Rogue are coming through like the bosses I knew they'd be. And Hydra on anti has worked like a charm.
Holy crap, did i lose this week or what! Down from 261 to the 800's.
And Sasquatch, what kind of sorcery trades are those? Who moves a player from their main to their anti (Squirtle)? That's like, inside trading kinda stuff.
Who do you guys think I should support this season Im no to sure :/
Poll: Who should I support?
CJ Entus (9)
39%
Prime (4)
17%
Jin Air (3)
13%
SKT T1 (2)
9%
IM (2)
9%
KT Rolster (1)
4%
Samsung Khan Galaxy (1)
4%
MVP (1)
4%
23 total votes
Your vote: Who should I support?
(Vote): SKT T1 (Vote): KT Rolster (Vote): CJ Entus (Vote): Samsung Khan Galaxy (Vote): IM (Vote): MVP (Vote): Prime (Vote): Jin Air
And a reason to support would be nice not sure where to post this! I am a hardcore acer fan and supported SKT in BW but not sure in sc2 due to it not being the team I originally fell in love with. And I can asure you once I support a team I do it fanatically!
On January 08 2014 04:48 XiaoJoyce- wrote: What happens if u trade RoRo, and he gets start losing.
It is possible too. .
its easy with roro: if too many have roro in his main team then he will lose, however if the amount of roro antiteams increases so does his chances of winning.
Roro would never win a single game of PL if everyone FPLer had him in their main team XD
On January 08 2014 00:11 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: And shouldnt Flash have 5 points? 3 wins, 2 team wins
Flash has +1 for lineup appearance +2 for win and +1 for team win against Jin Air. Against Samsung, he has +1 for lineup appearance, +2 for win, +1 for ace appearance, +3 for ace win, +1 for team win, +1 for 3-game winstreak, +1 for breaking Solar's 3-game winstreak. It adds up to 14 total.
On January 08 2014 03:40 ggofthejungle wrote: And Sasquatch, what kind of sorcery trades are those? Who moves a player from their main to their anti (Squirtle)? That's like, inside trading kinda stuff.
Soulkey is too good and Reality was a bigger risk, also if IM keeps getting Squirtle played vs Zerg I have much less faith in him then what I thought he was going to be (a PvP sniper).
On January 08 2014 03:40 ggofthejungle wrote: And Sasquatch, what kind of sorcery trades are those? Who moves a player from their main to their anti (Squirtle)? That's like, inside trading kinda stuff.
Soulkey is too good and Reality was a bigger risk, also if IM keeps getting Squirtle played vs Zerg I have much less faith in him then what I thought he was going to be (a PvP sniper).
Yeah squirtle off your main is pretty obvious, he's an awful player he just had 2 easy week 1 matches.
On January 08 2014 09:23 ZenithM wrote: Shit, I'm #43, I've never been that high. My Terran champions have done well. I'm rank 1 of the notrade ballers, btw :D
I really prefer no trading, but Zest is REALLY trying my patience. If he and Rain were doing better I'd be sitting awful pretty right now.
On January 08 2014 09:23 ZenithM wrote: Shit, I'm #43, I've never been that high. My Terran champions have done well. I'm rank 1 of the notrade ballers, btw :D
I really prefer no trading, but Zest is REALLY trying my patience. If he and Rain were doing better I'd be sitting awful pretty right now.
Hopefully Zest draw some Protoss opponents. Anyway, for his team to send him as ace, he must actually be quite good in practice, just that he screwed up on stage.
On January 08 2014 09:23 ZenithM wrote: Shit, I'm #43, I've never been that high. My Terran champions have done well. I'm rank 1 of the notrade ballers, btw :D
On January 08 2014 09:23 ZenithM wrote: Shit, I'm #43, I've never been that high. My Terran champions have done well. I'm rank 1 of the notrade ballers, btw :D
On January 08 2014 09:23 ZenithM wrote: Shit, I'm #43, I've never been that high. My Terran champions have done well. I'm rank 1 of the notrade ballers, btw :D
On January 08 2014 09:23 ZenithM wrote: Shit, I'm #43, I've never been that high. My Terran champions have done well. I'm rank 1 of the notrade ballers, btw :D
On January 08 2014 09:23 ZenithM wrote: Shit, I'm #43, I've never been that high. My Terran champions have done well. I'm rank 1 of the notrade ballers, btw :D
On January 08 2014 20:55 R1CH wrote: Trading is open.
Would it be possible to get some sort of icon or text next to the FPL link in the header to indicate this? It'd be easier than going to the trade tab every once in a while (or lurking this thread).
On January 10 2014 11:01 XiaoJoyce- wrote: I see so many players do trading and get positive points. I never do trading, but if I trade last week I know I will get negative point instead.
Any secret to trading?
It feels like losing out of not learning to do trading.
A couple of tips are to check who's playing for teams on a specific week, sometimes you can trade someone with a very close point value playing once for a double playing player. Trading someone not playing for someone playing is always positive potential point value, even better if they're on a more solid team that will make up with team points if they lose their match. Weigh that against their record though, some players in non-favored matches on non-favored maps MAY not be worth it, unless you want to gamble on a cheese play.
For week 3 I traded: Creator for HerO (IM). Creator's personal play looks okay but I don't like his chances against RorO after how crushed he looked after his loss to KeeN. HerO is playing twice--I think he'll beat Hydra, who has looked kind of like a punching bag, and has a shot against Flash, whose TvP doesn't look so hot to me.
Reality for Squirtle. Reality is not playing this week. Squirtle is playing twice--he is a good PvPer and has a shot against Sora, and if KT doesn't 3-0 IM I have to believe he can beat this Action guy.
My team name is "CJ/SKT T1 vs the world". This week they are facing off, but I will only have PartinG vs herO[jOin] playing against each other. Really sad I didn't trade Bbyong last week for someone like Dream. Now it looks I'll be stuck with him. And he's my only Terran.
Tough matches coming up for herO - playing against YongHwa and PartinG. Wouldn't be surprised if he loses both. But then he might win both just as well
PartinG playing against Flash and herO. He should win at least one of these games.
sooo pretty much the options for trading roro off anti are gamble on soo against myungsik, or pray khan 3-0's prime so solar doesnt get to play.... whats the call there?
TEAM Trap OUT => Squirtle IN Trap does not play and IM plays 2 times along with squirtle (also squirtle is as good as trap )
ANTI Stork OUT => Mvp IN Mvp will not play (or maybe once ? ) and since he's going to europe for wcs i bet we're not gonna see him soon. Even if stork sucks really hard (yes really hard ) he faces kassia ( WHO ? ) he'll probably win for once.
considering Trading Trend for Ruin, not sure about it tho.
On January 12 2014 00:35 axej wrote: Should I trade jin air for kt? kt plays twice, but they don't have easy matchups.
I feel like trading teams is often a lot riskier than trading players because if a player trade doesn't work out you can typically find some other valuable player for next week that's lower rated to trade for, maybe someone who happens to play twice, maybe someone who happens to have a weak opponent. For teams that's just not the case.
The one time I consider trading for soO in my anti he and SKT loses. KT win means my point haemorrhage from Flash continues to be fatal. At least Sora and CJ won. Just gotta pray Creator beats RorO, who knows maybe Prime can pull off a miracle D:
13th place for me now. Never been this good. I think my past top placement was around 50, so I'm feeling somewhat proud.
TY has been a great choice. Fantastic builds every game, really enjoyable to watch.
CJ performing this week was the big gain, though. Trading Fantasy for effort turned out to be a good choice, and Sora won too. Even my biggest let-down, Bbyong, got a point from CJ winning. Happy week, definitely.
In some stroke of pure genius, I managed to trade Terminator for Squirtle this week. Keep in mind, I already had Sora on my team AND Sora played against Squirtle loooooooooool
Oh well..Maru, TY, and Savage are still carrying my team
Maru and Rogue still kicking butt, I'm back at #6.
After seeing his micro, decisionmaking and bravado against Super, I'm calling it: Maru is the best Terran in the world, flat out. Sorry Bogus. Sorry TaeJa. Now I just need Squirtle and HerO to come through against KT.
On January 14 2014 05:39 Yakikorosu wrote: Maru and Rogue still kicking butt, I'm back at #6.
After seeing his micro, decisionmaking and bravado against Super, I'm calling it: Maru is the best Terran in the world, flat out. Sorry Bogus. Sorry TaeJa. Now I just need Squirtle and HerO to come through against KT.
Although Maru has a strong case I'm not totally convinced yet. TY has been playing pretty fucking well lately.
On January 14 2014 05:39 Yakikorosu wrote: Maru and Rogue still kicking butt, I'm back at #6.
After seeing his micro, decisionmaking and bravado against Super, I'm calling it: Maru is the best Terran in the world, flat out. Sorry Bogus. Sorry TaeJa. Now I just need Squirtle and HerO to come through against KT.
Although Maru has a strong case I'm not totally convinced yet. TY has been playing pretty fucking well lately.
If you're talking best Terran in Proleague so far I agree TY has as good a claim as Maru. But TY has no success in individual leagues in SC2 at all, while Maru has an OSL championship, Blizzcon Top 4, etc... To me for best Terran in the world the conversation is between Maru, INnoVation, TaeJa and Bomber. Flash, Polt, MMA, etc I think are not QUITE on the same level yet, or at least haven't proven that quite yet.
On January 14 2014 06:14 KatatoniK wrote: Come home to find rOrO wrecking my shit some more and sOs failing miserably again. I knew I should've gone for Soulkey over him from day 1 ;-;
Maru is literally carrying my team right now, none of my other players are above 10 points yet >_<
Same situation. But I've got soulkey, and he ain't above 10 either. So no big difference for you there anyhow Maru tho, wrecking proleague.
On January 14 2014 09:56 GolemMadness wrote: If you're still putting Roro on your anti-team in 2014, you are never going to win at anything ever.
Well, since RorO is doing quite well this round, enough people may put him in their main teams next round, thereby making RorO an excellent pick for the anti-team.
On January 14 2014 06:14 KatatoniK wrote: Come home to find rOrO wrecking my shit some more and sOs failing miserably again. I knew I should've gone for Soulkey over him from day 1 ;-;
Maru is literally carrying my team right now, none of my other players are above 10 points yet >_<
I would have gone for Flash if I knew Soulkey would be played on the 4th map and would lose this much.
Edit: That's despite being in top 40 based on Main Team rankings.
On January 14 2014 10:28 AWalker9 wrote: I thought Hydra was a good shout when I picked him but he has by far been my worst pick and then RorO has just been on my anti killing me.
I traded Soulkey for Hydra before last week, as I thought he would get 2 good wins for me...
My strategy this year was to just pick quickly without any research and put Roro on my anti-team. Strangely didn't work out that well. I have learning troubles.
I learnt the hard way not to anti Flash cause he doesn't do too well in individual leagues. Not a mistake I'm going to make twice. Next round should hopefully go better, PL has helped my knowledge of the KR scene greatly.
At least my Fantasy for Bravo trade seems to have paid off this week. As for my next trade, if I can still ditch RorO I might do it but sOs is going if I can get a decent trade for him, it hurts to do so but he's not playing like he should be
The strategy to pick one player from each team is working quite well so far. :D
My only hindsight is that #1) I chose CJ herO over Flash and #2) I chose two CJ players. =(
Same amount of points with 2/3 of players being from CJ and 1/3 from SKT T1. I think neither of our main team picks are great, we just lucked out on our antis
Traded SKT for KT, hoping they win both and somehow I will be able to trade KT for JinAir for the last week. Somehow I doubt it though :p Also, Coca out - Bunny in. Seems like JinAir coaches don't believe in Coca. On anti Mvp out, Byun in. Just to be sure since he is playing against newcomer.
KT playing 2 games, I can trade Flash for Solar. Still risky but Samsung with one match makes me haemorrhage less this way.
Fantasy over Bravo, time to trade back I guess. As much as I love sOs and the fact he's back in Code S, his PL performances recently make me feel like Rain is going to win. So Rain over sOs.
This is where Flash repeats his Code A performance just to upset me or something.
On January 17 2014 22:37 Ammanas wrote: Traded SKT for KT, hoping they win both and somehow I will be able to trade KT for JinAir for the last week. Somehow I doubt it though :p Also, Coca out - Bunny in. Seems like JinAir coaches don't believe in Coca. On anti Mvp out, Byun in. Just to be sure since he is playing against newcomer.
KT's last 2 games are this week. KT's point value will drop to 0, so you can't trade it anymore if you choose to get it.
On January 17 2014 22:37 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: What you think. Should I trade MVP for CJ_entus?
I think I will do that
CJ has 2 games left while MVP has 3, however, CJ's 2 games are much easier. CJ is a far safer pick, but if you want to do a risky allin FPL strategy, stick with MVP.
On January 17 2014 19:54 usopsama wrote: Traded Effort for MyuNgSiK and Pigbaby for True. I hope it doesn't backfire on me. :p
I need to trade away pigbaby as well. Its obvious now the dude is never going to play and is just taking up spot on my roster. So I traded him for KT.Action who I think should be able to dispense of Creator this week.
I also want to trade away Trap who isn't playing as much as I thought... Just not sure what to do there.
On January 17 2014 19:54 usopsama wrote: Traded Effort for MyuNgSiK and Pigbaby for True. I hope it doesn't backfire on me. :p
I need to trade away pigbaby as well. Its obvious now the dude is never going to play and is just taking up spot on my roster. So I traded him for KT.Action who I think should be able to dispense of Creator this week.
I also want to trade away Trap who isn't playing as much as I thought... Just not sure what to do there.
I traded him after week one seeing he wasn't fielded anymore when they even played 2 times. But you know what ? i'm pretty sure he will play at week 5, i base this on absolutely nothing but my intuition.
On January 17 2014 22:37 Ammanas wrote: Traded SKT for KT, hoping they win both and somehow I will be able to trade KT for JinAir for the last week. Somehow I doubt it though :p Also, Coca out - Bunny in. Seems like JinAir coaches don't believe in Coca. On anti Mvp out, Byun in. Just to be sure since he is playing against newcomer.
KT's last 2 games are this week. KT's point value will drop to 0, so you can't trade it anymore if you choose to get it.
On January 17 2014 22:37 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: What you think. Should I trade MVP for CJ_entus?
I think I will do that
CJ has 2 games left while MVP has 3, however, CJ's 2 games are much easier. CJ is a far safer pick, but if you want to do a risky allin FPL strategy, stick with MVP.
Yeah... Traded SKT -> Samsung in the end. Would have got JinAir, but cannot trade for them at all -.-
Can someone explain something to me please? I had Squirtle on my anti, and he gave me a -5 after the first two weeks. After the last two matches for the third week, I realized that he is now giving me a -6. How come? Squirtle didn't play and IM didn't win. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_Proleague/Round_1#Week_3
On January 18 2014 00:25 Seeker wrote: Can someone explain something to me please? I had Squirtle on my anti, and he gave me a -5 after the first two weeks. After the last two matches for the third week, I realized that he is now giving me a -6. How come? Squirtle didn't play and IM didn't win. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_Proleague/Round_1#Week_3
+1 lineup point from that match vs KT. He didn't get to play, so it was not erased by losing.
Super in my anti with 2 pvps this week...Very risky, even though he plays better players, zest and cj.hero. should I trade him away? The options are sniper reality stats. I think reality is the best bet because he plays only one match, liquid hero
On January 18 2014 00:48 ggofthejungle wrote: Super in my anti with 2 pvps this week...Very risky, even though he plays better players, zest and cj.hero. should I trade him away? The options are sniper reality stats. I think reality is the best bet because he plays only one match, liquid hero
Well i have traded Parting for CJ Hero and Stork for Sora. For my antiteam i traded Reality for Terminator. I really hate that i have to keep Roro in my antiteam >.< at least he is only playing once....
On January 18 2014 03:08 IamHobbyless wrote: This week is hard.
Well i have traded Parting for CJ Hero and Stork for Sora. For my antiteam i traded Reality for Terminator. I really hate that i have to keep Roro in my antiteam >.< at least he is only playing once....
You gotta be cold and emotionless in your picks. As much as I want Roro to lose, it would be a terrible idea to put him on my antiteam. I mean, he is up there on the points list. DRG on the other hand has been great on my antiteam. I like the guy, but lets be honest - his only place is on the antiteam.
I really really wanted to be cold but trading Roro for Maru is not an option... well it is the only option. I only have him in my antiteam for one week.... because i i really did not lieked the idea of having CJ hero playing 2 games while being in my antiteam. i really do not have th best antiteam >.< But still this is my best FPL season this far. My first season i am playing more or less serious.
On January 18 2014 00:48 ggofthejungle wrote: Super in my anti with 2 pvps this week...Very risky, even though he plays better players, zest and cj.hero. should I trade him away? The options are sniper reality stats. I think reality is the best bet because he plays only one match, liquid hero
Terminator?
Terminator is already in my anti, that's why I didn't list him as an option
On January 18 2014 03:40 IamHobbyless wrote: I really really wanted to be cold but trading Roro for Maru is not an option... well it is the only option. I only have him in my antiteam for one week.... because i i really did not lieked the idea of having CJ hero playing 2 games while being in my antiteam. i really do not have th best antiteam >.< But still this is my best FPL season this far. My first season i am playing more or less serious.
Squirtle -> MyuNgSiK (Squirtle doesn't play this week and I think we'll see more of Myungsik with Stats and Zest generally unimpressive and Myungsik getting into Code S)
Jin Air -> KT Rolster (I love Jin Air but they play SKT while KT plays Prime and MVP... that's just too good to pass up)
If you have the balls to go all-in on Hush this week with his current 1.40 trade value (he's apparently CJ's first attempt at replacing Hydra), much respect. Could be a big gain or a total disaster depending on how he does. I'm doing well enough that I don't want to take the risk. Same for Bunny or Billowy.
On January 18 2014 05:13 Yakikorosu wrote: Squirtle -> MyuNgSiK (Squirtle doesn't play this week and I think we'll see more of Myungsik with Stats and Zest generally unimpressive and Myungsik getting into Code S)
Jin Air -> KT Rolster (I love Jin Air but they play SKT while KT plays Prime and MVP... that's just too good to pass up)
If you have the balls to go all-in on Hush this week with his current 1.40 trade value (he's apparently CJ's first attempt at replacing Hydra), much respect. Could be a big gain or a total disaster depending on how he does. I'm doing well enough that I don't want to take the risk. Same for Bunny or Billowy.
You do realise Jin air plays prime + IM next week while KT has no games?
On January 18 2014 05:13 Yakikorosu wrote: Squirtle -> MyuNgSiK (Squirtle doesn't play this week and I think we'll see more of Myungsik with Stats and Zest generally unimpressive and Myungsik getting into Code S)
Jin Air -> KT Rolster (I love Jin Air but they play SKT while KT plays Prime and MVP... that's just too good to pass up)
If you have the balls to go all-in on Hush this week with his current 1.40 trade value (he's apparently CJ's first attempt at replacing Hydra), much respect. Could be a big gain or a total disaster depending on how he does. I'm doing well enough that I don't want to take the risk. Same for Bunny or Billowy.
You do realise Jin air plays prime + IM next week while KT has no games?
Debating trading HerO for Yonghwa due to how good he did in Code A.
I'll likely end up trading KT for another team next week. Heck, they might pass Jin Air with two easy wins this coming week and I'll get Jin Air back. If not I'll probably get Samsung.
On January 18 2014 05:13 Yakikorosu wrote: Squirtle -> MyuNgSiK (Squirtle doesn't play this week and I think we'll see more of Myungsik with Stats and Zest generally unimpressive and Myungsik getting into Code S)
Jin Air -> KT Rolster (I love Jin Air but they play SKT while KT plays Prime and MVP... that's just too good to pass up)
If you have the balls to go all-in on Hush this week with his current 1.40 trade value (he's apparently CJ's first attempt at replacing Hydra), much respect. Could be a big gain or a total disaster depending on how he does. I'm doing well enough that I don't want to take the risk. Same for Bunny or Billowy.
You do realise Jin air plays prime + IM next week while KT has no games?
Debating trading HerO for Yonghwa due to how good he did in Code A.
I'll likely end up trading KT for another team next week. Heck, they might pass Jin Air with two easy wins this coming week and I'll get Jin Air back. If not I'll probably get Samsung.
Exactly! Also CJ vs Prime could easily get to the ace match although I'd prefer 3-0 ^^
On January 18 2014 05:13 Yakikorosu wrote: Squirtle -> MyuNgSiK (Squirtle doesn't play this week and I think we'll see more of Myungsik with Stats and Zest generally unimpressive and Myungsik getting into Code S)
Jin Air -> KT Rolster (I love Jin Air but they play SKT while KT plays Prime and MVP... that's just too good to pass up)
If you have the balls to go all-in on Hush this week with his current 1.40 trade value (he's apparently CJ's first attempt at replacing Hydra), much respect. Could be a big gain or a total disaster depending on how he does. I'm doing well enough that I don't want to take the risk. Same for Bunny or Billowy.
You do realise Jin air plays prime + IM next week while KT has no games?
Debating trading HerO for Yonghwa due to how good he did in Code A.
I'll likely end up trading KT for another team next week. Heck, they might pass Jin Air with two easy wins this coming week and I'll get Jin Air back. If not I'll probably get Samsung.
Exactly! Also CJ vs Prime could easily get to the ace match although I'd prefer 3-0 ^^
You can't do that. I wanted to do the same (SKT -> KT this week and then KT->JinAir or KT->Samsung next week), but you actually cannot do that. When a team has no matches left, their trade value goes down to 0, meaning if you get KT this week, you stuck with them also next week.
On January 18 2014 05:13 Yakikorosu wrote: Squirtle -> MyuNgSiK (Squirtle doesn't play this week and I think we'll see more of Myungsik with Stats and Zest generally unimpressive and Myungsik getting into Code S)
Jin Air -> KT Rolster (I love Jin Air but they play SKT while KT plays Prime and MVP... that's just too good to pass up)
If you have the balls to go all-in on Hush this week with his current 1.40 trade value (he's apparently CJ's first attempt at replacing Hydra), much respect. Could be a big gain or a total disaster depending on how he does. I'm doing well enough that I don't want to take the risk. Same for Bunny or Billowy.
You do realise Jin air plays prime + IM next week while KT has no games?
Debating trading HerO for Yonghwa due to how good he did in Code A.
I'll likely end up trading KT for another team next week. Heck, they might pass Jin Air with two easy wins this coming week and I'll get Jin Air back. If not I'll probably get Samsung.
Exactly! Also CJ vs Prime could easily get to the ace match although I'd prefer 3-0 ^^
You can't do that. I wanted to do the same (SKT -> KT this week and then KT->JinAir or KT->Samsung next week), but you actually cannot do that. When a team has no matches left, their trade value goes down to 0, meaning if you get KT this week, you stuck with them also next week.
On January 18 2014 05:13 Yakikorosu wrote: Squirtle -> MyuNgSiK (Squirtle doesn't play this week and I think we'll see more of Myungsik with Stats and Zest generally unimpressive and Myungsik getting into Code S)
Jin Air -> KT Rolster (I love Jin Air but they play SKT while KT plays Prime and MVP... that's just too good to pass up)
If you have the balls to go all-in on Hush this week with his current 1.40 trade value (he's apparently CJ's first attempt at replacing Hydra), much respect. Could be a big gain or a total disaster depending on how he does. I'm doing well enough that I don't want to take the risk. Same for Bunny or Billowy.
You do realise Jin air plays prime + IM next week while KT has no games?
Debating trading HerO for Yonghwa due to how good he did in Code A.
I'll likely end up trading KT for another team next week. Heck, they might pass Jin Air with two easy wins this coming week and I'll get Jin Air back. If not I'll probably get Samsung.
Exactly! Also CJ vs Prime could easily get to the ace match although I'd prefer 3-0 ^^
You can't do that. I wanted to do the same (SKT -> KT this week and then KT->JinAir or KT->Samsung next week), but you actually cannot do that. When a team has no matches left, their trade value goes down to 0, meaning if you get KT this week, you stuck with them also next week.
O.o seriously?
Well, that's how it was explained to me a page or two back and it actually makes sense. I mean, it is known that the adjusted trade value is calculated also with remaining matches in mind, and if there are 0 remaining, any x * 0 = 0.
On January 18 2014 05:13 Yakikorosu wrote: Squirtle -> MyuNgSiK (Squirtle doesn't play this week and I think we'll see more of Myungsik with Stats and Zest generally unimpressive and Myungsik getting into Code S)
Jin Air -> KT Rolster (I love Jin Air but they play SKT while KT plays Prime and MVP... that's just too good to pass up)
If you have the balls to go all-in on Hush this week with his current 1.40 trade value (he's apparently CJ's first attempt at replacing Hydra), much respect. Could be a big gain or a total disaster depending on how he does. I'm doing well enough that I don't want to take the risk. Same for Bunny or Billowy.
You do realise Jin air plays prime + IM next week while KT has no games?
Debating trading HerO for Yonghwa due to how good he did in Code A.
I'll likely end up trading KT for another team next week. Heck, they might pass Jin Air with two easy wins this coming week and I'll get Jin Air back. If not I'll probably get Samsung.
Exactly! Also CJ vs Prime could easily get to the ace match although I'd prefer 3-0 ^^
You can't do that. I wanted to do the same (SKT -> KT this week and then KT->JinAir or KT->Samsung next week), but you actually cannot do that. When a team has no matches left, their trade value goes down to 0, meaning if you get KT this week, you stuck with them also next week.
O.o seriously?
Well, that's how it was explained to me a page or two back and it actually makes sense. I mean, it is known that the adjusted trade value is calculated also with remaining matches in mind, and if there are 0 remaining, any x * 0 = 0.
Hm, I guess that makes sense. The things you learn! Then investing in KT for this week is not a great idea for me; I undid both my trades and instead am trading Squirtle for Hush and Trap for Bunny. Both of them play twice and CJ has two relatively easy matches this week. They'll both zero out in value after this week too since CJ also has on matches next week, but no better options are really available that I see.
Caught up on last night's VODs, and man CJ did not come through for me but at least Hush won his game and they both play again. Creator coming through for Prime, this is why I got him to start the season, I thought Prime would get into some ace matches due to the short series but dumped him a few weeks ago. I wonder how many people still stuck it out with him.
Too bad DRG didn't take out Flash and punish everyone putting him on their anti-team. I thought he had it when he crushed Flash's first push but those two misplays with his infestors (failing to complete the chain fungal on the vikings and dumping 40 infested terrans on the planetary to no effect) really made the difference.
BTW why is the scoring "+1 for Ace appearance, -2 for Ace loss, +3 for Ace win" rather than "-1 for Ace loss, +4 for Ace win"? I think it looks better/cleaner this way.
On January 20 2014 08:33 opterown wrote: DRG actually lost points last night for losing ace I think
Best anti pick ever.
Though he did play very well against Flash in the ace.
I wonder what the value anti picks will be next round; I got 13 points out of Hydra/Shine(MVP)/ByuN this round and they've combined for a total of zero wins and -3 points to me. I figure next round they'll together be worth about 5 points. DRG probably will be a 2 or 3 pointer instead of 6.
I'm in second place!!! second worst trader in the entire FPL! Yay!!! I would be place 350 if I would have never traded... Now I'm #2100 instead... awesome
On January 21 2014 05:35 The_Templar wrote: I made a perfectly normal main team, 8 very reasonable trades and 1 questionable trade. I'm -9 in trades and near the bottom of the rankings. Sigh...
I feel the same. I finished top 10 last season with Roro on the main team. This time I put him on the anti-team and named the team "Roro pls" which obviously invoked his wrath. I started with normal trades but at this point I'm just looking for a Hail Mary.
On January 21 2014 05:48 mahrgell wrote: I'm in second place!!! second worst trader in the entire FPL! Yay!!! I would be place 350 if I would have never traded... Now I'm #2100 instead... awesome
Wait what second place?
I gotta admit, to the people at the top, they are very brave! Trading off someone after they already won you 10+ pointz? If never do that. For example thruth trading away Byul after giving him 13 points for Soulkey, ends up winning 9 points. So ballzy, Holy crap. Trading is risky business.
I pretty much gotta give up on round 1. I put Ty on my anti-team like an idiot, and even if I didn't do all of my hw, I'm not sure how many would have guessed that he would dominate so much in proleague. Really no way to come back at this point. Oh well! Gotta learn somehow.
Looking at how ty, flash, and maru are the top point scorers of round 1, I think everyone will have them in their team for round 2. They'll all be at 8,9or10 points though, so that will leave little space for fillers.
Moved back up to 25th this week after dropping to ~110 last week. Made some good trades moving Dream > Soulkey, and RorO > TY, although in hindsight I should have taken Flash instead of TY. I was wary given Flash's form last week in GSL, and TY still delivered with his one game.
Rain as my captain has been disappointing. Trading ByuL for Zest after week 1 was a bad move as well. Hopefully I can grab a few more points from Sora and TY this week, and hopefully DRG (anti-team) will lose to CJ's HerO.
On January 21 2014 06:40 HeavenResign wrote: I pretty much gotta give up on round 1. I put Ty on my anti-team like an idiot, and even if I didn't do all of my hw, I'm not sure how many would have guessed that he would dominate so much in proleague. Really no way to come back at this point. Oh well! Gotta learn somehow.
Terran players are quite easy to rate for me. If you know what to look for when they play, it's quite easy to distinguish a potentially monstrous Terran from a bench filling one. For example, multitasking and micro will always be capabilities that make good Terrans always push further what they can do with the race, even when the metagame isn't favoring Terran. TY was always top notch at both
On January 21 2014 06:40 HeavenResign wrote: I pretty much gotta give up on round 1. I put Ty on my anti-team like an idiot, and even if I didn't do all of my hw, I'm not sure how many would have guessed that he would dominate so much in proleague. Really no way to come back at this point. Oh well! Gotta learn somehow.
Well, I would not predict him being basically top performer (he is tied @ 6 wins with Maru and Flash iirc, although he is on 6-0 while both Maru and Flash have losses), but I knew he would probably be top player. I watched him a lot last Proleague and I always thought he is amazingly good.
Rough day for Jin Air = rough day for me (at least sOs and HerO got me a few points). I really need Hush, Bunny and CJ to come through against MVP tomorrow to salvage the week.
Looks like I'll be finishing top 100 again. I've almost won the whole thing twice minus one trade always biting me in the ass. Haven't really done anything bad this time minus roro on the anti team.
Trade limit is going to hurt me this week since my team currently over half CJ and KT who aren't going to play this week. I'm hoping I can still find a way to hang on to top 100.
My one trade for the last week of R1 is HerO (IM) -> Pigbaby. Not a lot of players I can trade HerO for, but Pigbaby's team plays twice (though he only plays once) and his only match is against DeParture, who is unproven to say the least. Plus this way I'm ALL in on Jin Air; if they crush face in both matches this week I'll do great, otherwise......
On January 24 2014 15:38 NovemberstOrm wrote: am i missing something or is there something wrong?
Players whose team doesn't play again (i.e., players on KT and CJ) have their trade value set to 0 (since there is literally no chance they could score any additional points)
On January 24 2014 15:38 NovemberstOrm wrote: am i missing something or is there something wrong?
Players whose team doesn't play again (i.e., players on KT and CJ) have their trade value set to 0 (since there is literally no chance they could score any additional points)
To confirm, this is the last week of this FPL round, it will be reset for round two of proleague and you'll get to pick an entire new team. At the end of season, aggregate scores from all of the rounds will be taken to determine the overall season winner. FPL does not extend into the playoffs, only regular season games will be counted.
I have 3 KT + 1 CJ... No chance I'm going to move up in the rankings this week. I'm just hoping I can hold on to a top 100 here. I did some very poor planning last week by trading for additional KT players...
The best would be if you had "money in bank". for example, If you sell Maru for 30 $ and buy PartinG for 25$ you would have 5 $ in bank. So you could use it for later trades.
On January 25 2014 02:23 Fyodor wrote: I don't understand why the trade tax exists.
trading is fun so it should be free lol. Maybe I don't understand something.
It's there to discourage casual trades, otherwise you could just trade for players that are on a lineup or a winning team each week and be guaranteed easy points with very little risk.
I like the fact that we have to choose 1 terran and zerg in addition to all the protosses, but it can sometimes be really annoying when trading. I wanted to trade my token terran for a zerg and vice versa, but its simply not possible.
Is this intentional or is it there for simplicity of implementation?
On January 25 2014 02:57 Estancia wrote: Is anyone having problem with the Fantasy proleague right now? Why are some of the players (edit : such as flash and TY) valued at 0?
They are not fielded on this last week ( I guess you could gamble on an ace appearance)
On January 25 2014 03:03 dehydrogenaza wrote: I like the fact that we have to choose 1 terran and zerg in addition to all the protosses, but it can sometimes be really annoying when trading. I wanted to trade my token terran for a zerg and vice versa, but its simply not possible.
Is this intentional or is it there for simplicity of implementation?
Well you just make sure you have 1 of each race after the trades are done so if you have 1 terran and want to trade him for a toss, you trade another player for a terran, or you don't trade.
On January 25 2014 02:57 Estancia wrote: Is anyone having problem with the Fantasy proleague right now? Why are some of the players (edit : such as flash and TY) valued at 0?
They are not fielded on this last week ( I guess you could gamble on an ace appearance)
On January 25 2014 02:57 Estancia wrote: Is anyone having problem with the Fantasy proleague right now? Why are some of the players (edit : such as flash and TY) valued at 0?
They are not fielded on this last week ( I guess you could gamble on an ace appearance)
On January 25 2014 02:57 Estancia wrote: Is anyone having problem with the Fantasy proleague right now? Why are some of the players (edit : such as flash and TY) valued at 0?
They are not fielded on this last week ( I guess you could gamble on an ace appearance)
An ace appearance for another team?
Yeah it's a proper gamble
Hopefully TY is able to play some aces then, on KT he has apparently no chance :/
On January 25 2014 02:57 Estancia wrote: Is anyone having problem with the Fantasy proleague right now? Why are some of the players (edit : such as flash and TY) valued at 0?
They are not fielded on this last week ( I guess you could gamble on an ace appearance)
An ace appearance for another team?
Yeah it's a proper gamble
Of course, I've already traded Flash for Jaedong and TY for Bisu. I am expecting to win some easy points
On January 25 2014 03:03 dehydrogenaza wrote: I like the fact that we have to choose 1 terran and zerg in addition to all the protosses, but it can sometimes be really annoying when trading. I wanted to trade my token terran for a zerg and vice versa, but its simply not possible.
Is this intentional or is it there for simplicity of implementation?
Well you just make sure you have 1 of each race after the trades are done so if you have 1 terran and want to trade him for a toss, you trade another player for a terran, or you don't trade.
Of course, but what I wanted to do is to trade my Terran (I have 1) for a Zerg and then my (different) Zerg (again, I have only 1) for a different Terran. Except I can't do this, because first I'd need to trade one of my Protosses for a Terran, then trade the Terran for a Zerg, and then I can't trade the Zerg because I have no trades left.
On January 25 2014 02:57 Estancia wrote: Is anyone having problem with the Fantasy proleague right now? Why are some of the players (edit : such as flash and TY) valued at 0?
KT and CJ have played all their games for this round, so they have no chance to earn any more points for this FPL.
On January 25 2014 04:23 vrok wrote: Does FPL continue into round playoffs? Or does FPL pause until next round?
resets between rounds, playoffs don't count
Lame. Round playoffs should still count.
That's a dumb system, as players whose teams get to the playoffs will be worth much more, and the point values will be impossible to calculate because one would not be able to know the number of remaining matches each player has.
Even the Proleague most wins award does not count playoffs as they recognise that it is inherently unfair.
On January 25 2014 20:48 gavrila87 wrote: Is someone gonna fix the Adjusted Trade Value for the players, or do we have any explanation for it?
There is completely no problem at all. Adjusted Trade Value = Trade Value X No. of remaining matches. KT and CJ have no matches left, so their Adjusted Trade Values are all 0.
On January 25 2014 21:03 Garnet wrote: Please add MVP and Samsung to both Shine's names or create a way to differentiate them.
Samsung Shine is the one with higher trade value. You can tell from clicking on the player under the trade section of FPL, which brings you to the TLPD page of the player. Also, the team is listed beside the player name.
HOLY MACKEREL I actually got to 4th place?! Grats to Thruth and Sasquatch who've been sparring up top for pretty much the whole time and esdf for going with a totally boss no-trade line-up!
Congrats to Thruth! Amazing that after all that he wins by a considerable margin. Also, honourable mention to Sasquatch who has been right up there the whole time.
Considering I started week 1 with a nice -13 from ByuL. Traded him away from the anti only to see him lose all remaining games. Creator on anti looked like a sure bet, but then he decided winning games could be fun. Picking CJ Entus players cost me in the end, but I guess nobody expected them to shit the bed that hard.
I finished #9. Would have been top 5 (too painful to calculate exactly where) if sOs had just won that ace match against HerO. I got kinda gypped by the fact that the ace match didn't matter to Jin Air for playoff purposes, otherwise they would have sent out Maru and he probably wins. Still very happy of course. Grats to Thruth.
Dayum, can't believe this :D congrats to Sasquath, who was basically tied with me most of the round and was one Solar win from taking this all also, props for the rOrO anti-teamers for balls of steel :D
On January 29 2014 07:07 Duecez wrote: Will I be able to join for the next round of Proleage?
Yes.
On January 24 2014 19:48 R1CH wrote: To confirm, this is the last week of this FPL round, it will be reset for round two of proleague and you'll get to pick an entire new team. At the end of season, aggregate scores from all of the rounds will be taken to determine the overall season winner. FPL does not extend into the playoffs, only regular season games will be counted.
On January 24 2014 19:48 R1CH wrote: To confirm, this is the last week of this FPL round, it will be reset for round two of proleague and you'll get to pick an entire new team. At the end of season, aggregate scores from all of the rounds will be taken to determine the overall season winner. FPL does not extend into the playoffs, only regular season games will be counted.
On January 29 2014 03:58 Yakikorosu wrote: I finished #9. Would have been top 5 (too painful to calculate exactly where) if sOs had just won that ace match against HerO. I got kinda gypped by the fact that the ace match didn't matter to Jin Air for playoff purposes, otherwise they would have sent out Maru and he probably wins. Still very happy of course. Grats to Thruth.
You'd be exactly in 5th position if sOs won at 114. If Maru got sent out and wins you'll probably end up 5th/6th; Sasquatch would be 3rd, esdf 2nd and I'd be 1 point behind Sasquatch for having Maru on ace. Top 4 was simply too far ahead of the rest by the end to shuffle much. Just for curiousity's sake, I checked out Week 4 trades, and it turns out that a trade of Soulkey for Shine (!) would have gotten me to within 2 points of winning IF I had not put him in as Captain. Them's the breaks. In any case, I had written off FPL this season as a lost cause that I was just having fun with since the first week had me at #400. Never expected to break into top ten in the end, as it's been only my second FPL where I've gotten to that point.
Can't believe I forgot to do trades for the last week, although I would have just traded Trap anyway and still lost. Grats Thruth! First time I lost rank 1 was the final week :D
On January 29 2014 04:18 Thruth wrote: Dayum, can't believe this :D congrats to Sasquath, who was basically tied with me most of the round and was one Solar win from taking this all also, props for the rOrO anti-teamers for balls of steel :D
Aye that, congratz on tetrachoric for topping anti-RorO, achieving nearly top 100 with a solid -22 in ur bag aint easy feat. On the other hand Heggy finishes in the bottom of anti-RorO with a -2 score overall.
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