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Ivory Coast3016 Posts
On December 20 2013 03:36 Zealously wrote: There were no major team leagues in Korea besides Proleague as far as I can remember. Kespa minor league/dream league, that's about it. i don't remember rookie league being a teamleague maybe STX Masters | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On December 20 2013 03:47 opterown wrote: I wonder what this means for esf now eSF is largely irrelevant. All that is left is Startale, Azubu and fOu. It's essentially powerless, and Azubu and fOu do not seem to be in great financial shape. It's kind of like Lord of the Flies, where the boys are split into two camps. Ralph's group slowly gets smaller and the members of his group are picked off or assimilated into Jack's group. Now Ralph's group is eSF, and Jack's group is Kespa. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_the_Flies | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On December 20 2013 03:59 Bagration wrote: eSF is largely irrelevant. All that is left is Startale, Azubu and fOu. It's essentially powerless, and Azubu and fOu do not seem to be in great financial shape. It's kind of like Lord of the Flies, where the boys are split into two camps. Ralph's group slowly gets smaller and the members of his group are picked off or assimilated into Jack's group. Now Ralph's group is eSF, and Jack's group is Kespa. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_the_Flies Does... does this mean soul is piggy? Startale is Ralph. This makes fou Simon by default then I suppose. Epic.Hyvaa pls | ||
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suicideyear
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
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hipo
France482 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On December 20 2013 03:58 hypercube wrote: They were successful teams with history, fanbase and an existing infrastructure. The fact that noone wanted to pick them up as a whole speaks volumes. I remember in some documentary about WCG, winning PL is the equivalence of securing a team sponsorship because of your exposure and fandom. People just ain't interested in it. | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On December 20 2013 03:58 hypercube wrote: They were successful teams with history, fanbase and an existing infrastructure. The fact that noone wanted to pick them up as a whole speaks volumes. I agree, its a shame, some people wont address problems | ||
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SuperHofmann
Italy1741 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 20 2013 03:58 hypercube wrote: They were successful teams with history, fanbase and an existing infrastructure. The fact that noone wanted to pick them up as a whole speaks volumes. For Woongjin Stars and STX SouL (probably two of the less popular KeSPA teams) to work in the way they previously did, they would have required a corporate sponsorship or an unusually large sum of money from some kind of minor sponsor. The teams have Brood War history but very little to speak of in Starcraft II. Had SC2 Proleague been a 10-year old thing and two teams had disbanded without someone sweeping in to pick up the pieces, I would have been surprised. But when two teams with large corporate (Korean) sponsors disband after recently switching to a new game, due to the sponsor's own financial issues, it's not very strange that no one wants to keep the team together. Snatching only the good players is both cheaper and more profitable. | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
On December 20 2013 04:23 Zealously wrote: For Woongjin Stars and STX SouL (probably two of the less popular KeSPA teams) to work in the way they previously did, they would have required a corporate sponsorship or an unusually large sum of money from some kind of minor sponsor. The teams have Brood War history but very little to speak of in Starcraft II. Had SC2 Proleague been a 10-year old thing and two teams had disbanded without someone sweeping in to pick up the pieces, I would have been surprised. But when two teams with large corporate (Korean) sponsors disband after recently switching to a new game, due to the sponsor's own financial issues, it's not very strange that no one wants to keep the team together. Snatching only the good players is both cheaper and more profitable. Yeah I really wouldn't say this particularly speaks towards the state of SC2. However, it says quite a bit about the state/position of ProLeague within the scene - which shouldn't be surprising, though. | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
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DiMano
Korea (South)2066 Posts
On December 20 2013 03:33 HeyImFinn wrote: I didn't follow Brood War too much. But were there multiple team leagues going on then as well? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Proleague#Events There were MBC PL and OGN PL but then they decided that it does not work well to have 2 PL and decided to merge in 1 PL. As usual the history repeats itself but the korean stubbornness is a great thing coz of which we have 2 team leagues instead of 1 with all teams which I am sure all of us want to see. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On December 20 2013 04:23 Zealously wrote: For Woongjin Stars and STX SouL (probably two of the less popular KeSPA teams) to work in the way they previously did, they would have required a corporate sponsorship or an unusually large sum of money from some kind of minor sponsor. The teams have Brood War history but very little to speak of in Starcraft II. Had SC2 Proleague been a 10-year old thing and two teams had disbanded without someone sweeping in to pick up the pieces, I would have been surprised. But when two teams with large corporate (Korean) sponsors disband after recently switching to a new game, due to the sponsor's own financial issues, it's not very strange that no one wants to keep the team together. Snatching only the good players is both cheaper and more profitable. It means that sponsors have no faith in the scene. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On December 20 2013 04:35 Xiphos wrote: It means that sponsors have no faith in the scene. Jin Air had faith tho. | ||
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DiMano
Korea (South)2066 Posts
On December 20 2013 04:35 Xiphos wrote: It means that sponsors have no faith in the scene. We all know that the scene is falling apart a bit but let's just to try to enjoy SC2. I am just happy that KT, SKT, CJ and SAMSUNG are still in business lets just hope that they will do this in the future. | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 20 2013 04:35 Xiphos wrote: It means that sponsors have no faith in the scene. Jin Air did. Other than that, I think all it means is that (Korean) sponsors are no longer as interested in Proleague in particular. | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
Maybe too much faith... + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/gCd0zK2.png) | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
With maru and sos there will be no more sad planes in SC2. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On December 20 2013 04:23 Zealously wrote: For Woongjin Stars and STX SouL (probably two of the less popular KeSPA teams) to work in the way they previously did, they would have required a corporate sponsorship or an unusually large sum of money from some kind of minor sponsor. The teams have Brood War history but very little to speak of in Starcraft II. Had SC2 Proleague been a 10-year old thing and two teams had disbanded without someone sweeping in to pick up the pieces, I would have been surprised. But when two teams with large corporate (Korean) sponsors disband after recently switching to a new game, due to the sponsor's own financial issues, it's not very strange that no one wants to keep the team together. Snatching only the good players is both cheaper and more profitable. The model and entire infrastructure is changing. Before you had a teamhouse in Korea and could fill it up with both A-teamers and B-teamers / practice partners. Korea was the scene, and everything eSports was largely in Korea. You had large teams, and many players who would never see the light of a televised match. You didn't have to fly players all around the world, and the cost of adding another player was minimal. Now the scene is global. There are tournaments that are located on the opposite sides of the planet, and travel costs are suddenly very very significant. Many teams are getting leaner rosters, and there has been many more individual tournaments and less emphasis on team leagues. Now I don't think it's necessarily a horrendous situation. With smaller rosters you really get the chance to know every player better. Look at Axiom, look at Liquid, look at EG, etc. | ||
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