EPTSoul to disband - Page 7
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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DiMano
Korea (South)2066 Posts
On December 20 2013 04:55 UmberBane wrote: Meh, I disagree with that. If you're talking about optimal practice environment then you should also compare it to the optimal Korean LoL practice environment, or else you're being unfair towards SC2. You definitely need two teams with at least 5 members each. Then many teams have practice partners for drills and lane matchups living with them who are not on any of the starting rosters. In conclusion you get a bare minimum of 10 people and easily up to 15 (in some extreme cases more obviously) or so to be able to be competitive as a team in Korea. For example CJ has 14 players just on their rosters, not including practice partners. (who can be seen like the League version of b-teamers I suppose). Sorry I do not follow the LoL scene as much and did not that they have so much players in teams. Thank you for the perfect answer I was a bit wrong then  | ||
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Caladan
Germany1238 Posts
Still sad. Bye Soul! More and more progaming teams from the golden Broodwar age find their end in SC2 as Koreans' interest in SC2 declined. Not much is left from the old progaming scene. Let's hope the best for the foreign team scene that they may stand strong. | ||
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DiMano
Korea (South)2066 Posts
On December 20 2013 05:25 Caladan wrote: Well that was to be expected after STX dropout and now Dear transfer. Still sad. Bye Soul! More and more progaming teams from the golden Broodwar age find their end in SC2 as Koreans' interest in SC2 declined. Not much is left from the old progaming scene. Let's hope the best for the foreign team scene that they may stand strong. Yeah the sad thing for me is that all I like about korean starcraft is almost gone. I lost so much this year I can not even believe so much bad things can happen during 1 year  | ||
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Kerence
Sweden1817 Posts
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Fus
Sweden1112 Posts
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thezanursic
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On December 20 2013 04:23 Zealously wrote: For Woongjin Stars and STX SouL (probably two of the less popular KeSPA teams) to work in the way they previously did, they would have required a corporate sponsorship or an unusually large sum of money from some kind of minor sponsor. The teams have Brood War history but very little to speak of in Starcraft II. Had SC2 Proleague been a 10-year old thing and two teams had disbanded without someone sweeping in to pick up the pieces, I would have been surprised. But when two teams with large corporate (Korean) sponsors disband after recently switching to a new game, due to the sponsor's own financial issues, it's not very strange that no one wants to keep the team together. Snatching only the good players is both cheaper and more profitable. They were some of the lesser known teams, but they were still a brand. The fact that that brand is worth less than the teams' existing obligations is quite telling. It's not strange or surprising. It's a signal from potential sponsors on what they think about the future of the scene. And the whole thing about switching games is a non-sequitur. It has nothing to do with games changing and everything to do what it is now. Kespa teams were in the best position to take over the SC2 market, and they eventually did. Their fanbase shrank because Korean viewers were just not that into SC2 not because they suddenly had to woo a new demographic. | ||
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HYRULE15
Germany72 Posts
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opterown
Australia54785 Posts
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BoB_KiLLeR
Spain620 Posts
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DiMano
Korea (South)2066 Posts
On December 20 2013 05:48 opterown wrote: kespa was struggling to find BW sponsors already, i don't see how this is that important for the BW vs. SC2 debate people seem to bring up. True, also when I watch last the BW SPL the crowd was very small to my surprise, BW was starting to have troubles with popularity too and when I watch MSL Survival Tournament there were almost no crowd at studio. I think if BW was still here the teams would disband anyway. | ||
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ClairvoyanceSC2
United States758 Posts
I totally second this. Him and Pigbaby just have so much potential, but it seems as though not many notice. | ||
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Damnight
Germany222 Posts
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WGT-Baal
France3577 Posts
On December 20 2013 02:53 StarStruck wrote: whoop there it is. if you aren't the cream of the crop then tough luck and lol Noocta. I remember when ToT used to be zergland. Ah the good old days... they had Cloud though | ||
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Griffith`
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On December 20 2013 05:25 Caladan wrote: Well that was to be expected after STX dropout and now Dear transfer. Still sad. Bye Soul! More and more progaming teams from the golden Broodwar age find their end in SC2 as Koreans' interest in SC2 declined. Not much is left from the old progaming scene. Let's hope the best for the foreign team scene that they may stand strong. welll everyone tell this "meh sc2 intrests fault" etc but thats all sry to say in caps BULLSHIT wj stars is just broke STX was just broke ... it happened in broodwar too, alot companys nowadays has just got insolvent or broke or have money problems so they cant afford them anymore, stx with their 1st place i guess would not closed sould if stx wasnt in such money problems ... don all say its because of sc2, its because of economy ps: even kespa had to make a kespa team in broodwar because there was so many companys gone etc ... and they not found a new one ... has NOTHING to do with sc2 and btw remember with jin air they NOW have a sponsor they had NOT in bw | ||
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VArsovskiSC
Macedonia563 Posts
Seems like SC2 is dying.. Some were saying it long ago, but that was just troll sh*t that was inspired by the comparisons with other "competitors" out there on the "Market" - say Dota2 and LoL.. Right now - SC2 seems to be dying from the INSIDE - which TBH is a concern.. Hope all the best guys and those who deserve get their best at the period to come.. Probably the first "survival" period of the game "living" is just ahead of us.. Yet I have faith in the newcomers to come.. Lets hope some new guys show up and fill up the scene as it once used to.. Both - Korean, as well as Foreigner.. Sure hope that Blizz might get more "involved" in this issue themselves as well.. Not saying that they weren't, but probably would need to fix a thing or two.. I surely hope they do that before start working on LotV - pretty sure it would be too late by then and many would retire before that day comes.. Not quite sure if the "metagame" "stalemate" is at least one of the reasons of why all these disbands occur though.. :/ | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On December 20 2013 06:45 VArsovskiSC wrote: TBH, never said it before, but probably saying it first time.. Seems like SC2 is dying.. Some were saying it long ago, but that was just troll sh*t that was inspired by the comparisons with other "competitors" out there on the "Market" - say Dota2 and LoL.. Right now - SC2 seems to be dying from the INSIDE - which TBH is a concern.. Hope all the best guys and those who deserve get their best at the period to come.. Probably the first "survival" period of the game "living" is just ahead of us.. Yet I have faith in the newcomers to come.. Lets hope some new guys show up and fill up the scene as it once used to.. Both - Korean, as well as Foreigner.. Sure hope that Blizz might get more "involved" in this issue themselves as well.. Not saying that they weren't, but probably would need to fix a thing or two.. I surely hope they do that before start working on LotV - pretty sure it would be too late by then and many would retire before that day comes.. Not quite sure if the "metagame" "stalemate" is at least one of the reasons of why all these disbands occur though.. :/ as i posted ahead of thatits bullshit, this teams stx sould, or wjs ... the companys are broke and you guys tell me its starcrafts fault lol ... then why jin air now sponsor the team that had no sponsor in sc1 ? xD | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 20 2013 06:45 VArsovskiSC wrote: TBH, never said it before, but probably saying it first time.. Seems like SC2 is dying.. Some were saying it long ago, but that was just troll sh*t that was inspired by the comparisons with other "competitors" out there on the "Market" - say Dota2 and LoL.. Right now - SC2 seems to be dying from the INSIDE - which TBH is a concern.. Hope all the best guys and those who deserve get their best at the period to come.. Probably the first "survival" period of the game "living" is just ahead of us.. Yet I have faith in the newcomers to come.. Lets hope some new guys show up and fill up the scene as it once used to.. Both - Korean, as well as Foreigner.. Sure hope that Blizz might get more "involved" in this issue themselves as well.. Not saying that they weren't, but probably would need to fix a thing or two.. I surely hope they do that before start working on LotV - pretty sure it would be too late by then and many would retire before that day comes.. Not quite sure if the "metagame" "stalemate" is at least one of the reasons of why all these disbands occur though.. :/ Do you know why STX SouL and Woongjin Stars disbanded? | ||
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