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Come to think of it guys. If Najin pulls out of LoL, 200 corporations would surely line up to pick up Sword/Shield.
Will it happen to Stars/Soul? Would Jinair secure T8 if it's not for LoL and one starcraftmaniac daughter? Unlikely. Because of either (or both) reasons:
- Sc2 is an inferior game and/or LoL is a superior game, play-wise and spectating-wise
- Blizzard's marketing/strategy sucks.
The fact that the game/the company are having lots of issues has as much to do as sponsors going bankrupt. Who to blame when OGN seems to drop sc2 100%? Collapsed sponsors or Riot or Blizzard?
BW was facing the same issues back then? You are comparing 12 years old scene with one hell of a scandal against 3 years old one which should be at its prime.
Well Im talking almost strictly about Korea. But the scene going global? It's Koreans taking all the money vs 1 competitive foreigners. Asides of the timezone, it's not better than a healthy domestic individual/teamleague system for me. Korean scene is still the root of starcraft success and it's apparently shaking.
So maybe instead of denying the negativity, we should acknowledge it and urge Blizzard to make really drastic changes to LotV. Something other than adjusting movement 300 times or removing upgrade requirement.
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guess they ran outta soul
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On December 20 2013 12:57 Arceus wrote:
Come to think of it guys. If Najin pulls out of LoL, 200 corporations would surely line up to pick up Sword/Shield.
Will it happen to Stars/Soul? Would Jinair secure T8 if it's not for LoL and one starcraftmaniac daughter? Unlikely. Because of either (or both) reasons:
- Sc2 is an inferior game and/or LoL is a superior game, play-wise and spectating-wise
- Blizzard's marketing/strategy sucks.
The fact that the game/the company are having lots of issues has as much to do as sponsors going bankrupt. Who to blame when OGN seems to drop sc2 100%? Collapsed sponsors or Riot or Blizzard?
BW was facing the same issues back then? You are comparing 12 years old scene with one hell of a scandal against 3 years old one which should be at its prime.
Well Im talking almost strictly about Korea. But the scene going global? It's Koreans taking all the money vs 1 competitive foreigners. Asides of the timezone, it's not better than a healthy domestic individual/teamleague system for me. Korean scene is still the root of starcraft success and it's apparently shaking.
So maybe instead of denying the negativity, we should acknowledge it and urge Blizzard to make really drastic changes to LotV. Something other than adjusting movement 300 times or removing upgrade requirement.
but sword sucks :x
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"Was BW facing these issues?"
Lol! It's easy to be number one when your the only one playing and the government has your back. Different times in an era with less compitition.
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Ar yes, the "starcraft 2 is dead" is finally back
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On December 20 2013 12:57 Arceus wrote:
Come to think of it guys. If Najin pulls out of LoL, 200 corporations would surely line up to pick up Sword/Shield.
Will it happen to Stars/Soul? Would Jinair secure T8 if it's not for LoL and one starcraftmaniac daughter? Unlikely. Because of either (or both) reasons:
- Sc2 is an inferior game and/or LoL is a superior game, play-wise and spectating-wise
- Blizzard's marketing/strategy sucks.
The fact that the game/the company are having lots of issues has as much to do as sponsors going bankrupt. Who to blame when OGN seems to drop sc2 100%? Collapsed sponsors or Riot or Blizzard?
BW was facing the same issues back then? You are comparing 12 years old scene with one hell of a scandal against 3 years old one which should be at its prime.
Well Im talking almost strictly about Korea. But the scene going global? It's Koreans taking all the money vs 1 competitive foreigners. Asides of the timezone, it's not better than a healthy domestic individual/teamleague system for me. Korean scene is still the root of starcraft success and it's apparently shaking.
So maybe instead of denying the negativity, we should acknowledge it and urge Blizzard to make really drastic changes to LotV. Something other than adjusting movement 300 times or removing upgrade requirement.
Why do people always make it LoL vs SC2 and Riot vs Blizzard instead of MOBA vs RTS?
What if MOBAs are the future to esports, and nothing Blizzard could do could actually change this?
Your argument fails to address that question, and instead makes a lot of assumptions about a lot of things.
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On December 20 2013 13:38 dcemuser wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 12:57 Arceus wrote:
Come to think of it guys. If Najin pulls out of LoL, 200 corporations would surely line up to pick up Sword/Shield.
Will it happen to Stars/Soul? Would Jinair secure T8 if it's not for LoL and one starcraftmaniac daughter? Unlikely. Because of either (or both) reasons:
- Sc2 is an inferior game and/or LoL is a superior game, play-wise and spectating-wise
- Blizzard's marketing/strategy sucks.
The fact that the game/the company are having lots of issues has as much to do as sponsors going bankrupt. Who to blame when OGN seems to drop sc2 100%? Collapsed sponsors or Riot or Blizzard?
BW was facing the same issues back then? You are comparing 12 years old scene with one hell of a scandal against 3 years old one which should be at its prime.
Well Im talking almost strictly about Korea. But the scene going global? It's Koreans taking all the money vs 1 competitive foreigners. Asides of the timezone, it's not better than a healthy domestic individual/teamleague system for me. Korean scene is still the root of starcraft success and it's apparently shaking.
So maybe instead of denying the negativity, we should acknowledge it and urge Blizzard to make really drastic changes to LotV. Something other than adjusting movement 300 times or removing upgrade requirement. Why do people always make it LoL vs SC2 and Riot vs Blizzard instead of MOBA vs RTS? What if MOBAs are the future to esports, and nothing Blizzard could do could actually change this? Your argument fails to address that question, and instead makes a lot of assumptions about a lot of things.
err it's you who make the assumption of whether MOBAs are the future of eSport. Even if thats true, it falls ino "LoL is a superior game". Do you even read my post?
Im not trying to address any question, let alone MOBA v RTS debate. Im only proving that recent dissolutions have lots to do with the game itself, not just economy.
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On December 20 2013 13:38 dcemuser wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 12:57 Arceus wrote:
Come to think of it guys. If Najin pulls out of LoL, 200 corporations would surely line up to pick up Sword/Shield.
Will it happen to Stars/Soul? Would Jinair secure T8 if it's not for LoL and one starcraftmaniac daughter? Unlikely. Because of either (or both) reasons:
- Sc2 is an inferior game and/or LoL is a superior game, play-wise and spectating-wise
- Blizzard's marketing/strategy sucks.
The fact that the game/the company are having lots of issues has as much to do as sponsors going bankrupt. Who to blame when OGN seems to drop sc2 100%? Collapsed sponsors or Riot or Blizzard?
BW was facing the same issues back then? You are comparing 12 years old scene with one hell of a scandal against 3 years old one which should be at its prime.
Well Im talking almost strictly about Korea. But the scene going global? It's Koreans taking all the money vs 1 competitive foreigners. Asides of the timezone, it's not better than a healthy domestic individual/teamleague system for me. Korean scene is still the root of starcraft success and it's apparently shaking.
So maybe instead of denying the negativity, we should acknowledge it and urge Blizzard to make really drastic changes to LotV. Something other than adjusting movement 300 times or removing upgrade requirement. Why do people always make it LoL vs SC2 and Riot vs Blizzard instead of MOBA vs RTS? What if MOBAs are the future to esports, and nothing Blizzard could do could actually change this? Your argument fails to address that question, and instead makes a lot of assumptions about a lot of things.
More like social fun-times vs solo work.
The majority of BW players were NOT doing 1 vs 1 competition but simply BGH Free-fo-All, unlimited mineral map, and UMS games. They were casual players. SC2, while supposedly advertised as a more "casual" game ironically failed to capture the heart of the non-hardcore audience.
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On December 20 2013 13:03 Kergy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 12:57 Arceus wrote:
Come to think of it guys. If Najin pulls out of LoL, 200 corporations would surely line up to pick up Sword/Shield.
Will it happen to Stars/Soul? Would Jinair secure T8 if it's not for LoL and one starcraftmaniac daughter? Unlikely. Because of either (or both) reasons:
- Sc2 is an inferior game and/or LoL is a superior game, play-wise and spectating-wise
- Blizzard's marketing/strategy sucks.
The fact that the game/the company are having lots of issues has as much to do as sponsors going bankrupt. Who to blame when OGN seems to drop sc2 100%? Collapsed sponsors or Riot or Blizzard?
BW was facing the same issues back then? You are comparing 12 years old scene with one hell of a scandal against 3 years old one which should be at its prime.
Well Im talking almost strictly about Korea. But the scene going global? It's Koreans taking all the money vs 1 competitive foreigners. Asides of the timezone, it's not better than a healthy domestic individual/teamleague system for me. Korean scene is still the root of starcraft success and it's apparently shaking.
So maybe instead of denying the negativity, we should acknowledge it and urge Blizzard to make really drastic changes to LotV. Something other than adjusting movement 300 times or removing upgrade requirement. but sword sucks :x
They went a combined 2-4 vs KT, SGB and IM2. They arent great, but they arent terrible or even close to it.
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On December 20 2013 13:38 dcemuser wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 12:57 Arceus wrote:
Come to think of it guys. If Najin pulls out of LoL, 200 corporations would surely line up to pick up Sword/Shield.
Will it happen to Stars/Soul? Would Jinair secure T8 if it's not for LoL and one starcraftmaniac daughter? Unlikely. Because of either (or both) reasons:
- Sc2 is an inferior game and/or LoL is a superior game, play-wise and spectating-wise
- Blizzard's marketing/strategy sucks.
The fact that the game/the company are having lots of issues has as much to do as sponsors going bankrupt. Who to blame when OGN seems to drop sc2 100%? Collapsed sponsors or Riot or Blizzard?
BW was facing the same issues back then? You are comparing 12 years old scene with one hell of a scandal against 3 years old one which should be at its prime.
Well Im talking almost strictly about Korea. But the scene going global? It's Koreans taking all the money vs 1 competitive foreigners. Asides of the timezone, it's not better than a healthy domestic individual/teamleague system for me. Korean scene is still the root of starcraft success and it's apparently shaking.
So maybe instead of denying the negativity, we should acknowledge it and urge Blizzard to make really drastic changes to LotV. Something other than adjusting movement 300 times or removing upgrade requirement. Why do people always make it LoL vs SC2 and Riot vs Blizzard instead of MOBA vs RTS? What if MOBAs are the future to esports, and nothing Blizzard could do could actually change this?Your argument fails to address that question, and instead makes a lot of assumptions about a lot of things.
mobas ARE the future of esports and blizzard is hopping on with their new game heros of the storm 
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On December 20 2013 13:52 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 13:38 dcemuser wrote:On December 20 2013 12:57 Arceus wrote:
Come to think of it guys. If Najin pulls out of LoL, 200 corporations would surely line up to pick up Sword/Shield.
Will it happen to Stars/Soul? Would Jinair secure T8 if it's not for LoL and one starcraftmaniac daughter? Unlikely. Because of either (or both) reasons:
- Sc2 is an inferior game and/or LoL is a superior game, play-wise and spectating-wise
- Blizzard's marketing/strategy sucks.
The fact that the game/the company are having lots of issues has as much to do as sponsors going bankrupt. Who to blame when OGN seems to drop sc2 100%? Collapsed sponsors or Riot or Blizzard?
BW was facing the same issues back then? You are comparing 12 years old scene with one hell of a scandal against 3 years old one which should be at its prime.
Well Im talking almost strictly about Korea. But the scene going global? It's Koreans taking all the money vs 1 competitive foreigners. Asides of the timezone, it's not better than a healthy domestic individual/teamleague system for me. Korean scene is still the root of starcraft success and it's apparently shaking.
So maybe instead of denying the negativity, we should acknowledge it and urge Blizzard to make really drastic changes to LotV. Something other than adjusting movement 300 times or removing upgrade requirement. Why do people always make it LoL vs SC2 and Riot vs Blizzard instead of MOBA vs RTS? What if MOBAs are the future to esports, and nothing Blizzard could do could actually change this? Your argument fails to address that question, and instead makes a lot of assumptions about a lot of things. More like social fun-times vs solo work. The majority of BW players were NOT doing 1 vs 1 competition but simply BGH Free-fo-All, unlimited mineral map, and UMS games. They were casual players. SC2, while supposedly advertised as a more "casual" game ironically failed to capture the heart of the non-hardcore audience.
Even if SC2 had Bnet 1.0 and all the same maps like BGH, fastest, and other UMS maps, it wouldn't be able to get people to play those over F2P mobas.
There's no point in releasing a pay to play RTS in 201x when MOBAs offer a free to play casual RTS experience.
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On December 20 2013 14:18 Cheren wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 13:52 Xiphos wrote:On December 20 2013 13:38 dcemuser wrote:On December 20 2013 12:57 Arceus wrote:
Come to think of it guys. If Najin pulls out of LoL, 200 corporations would surely line up to pick up Sword/Shield.
Will it happen to Stars/Soul? Would Jinair secure T8 if it's not for LoL and one starcraftmaniac daughter? Unlikely. Because of either (or both) reasons:
- Sc2 is an inferior game and/or LoL is a superior game, play-wise and spectating-wise
- Blizzard's marketing/strategy sucks.
The fact that the game/the company are having lots of issues has as much to do as sponsors going bankrupt. Who to blame when OGN seems to drop sc2 100%? Collapsed sponsors or Riot or Blizzard?
BW was facing the same issues back then? You are comparing 12 years old scene with one hell of a scandal against 3 years old one which should be at its prime.
Well Im talking almost strictly about Korea. But the scene going global? It's Koreans taking all the money vs 1 competitive foreigners. Asides of the timezone, it's not better than a healthy domestic individual/teamleague system for me. Korean scene is still the root of starcraft success and it's apparently shaking.
So maybe instead of denying the negativity, we should acknowledge it and urge Blizzard to make really drastic changes to LotV. Something other than adjusting movement 300 times or removing upgrade requirement. Why do people always make it LoL vs SC2 and Riot vs Blizzard instead of MOBA vs RTS? What if MOBAs are the future to esports, and nothing Blizzard could do could actually change this? Your argument fails to address that question, and instead makes a lot of assumptions about a lot of things. More like social fun-times vs solo work. The majority of BW players were NOT doing 1 vs 1 competition but simply BGH Free-fo-All, unlimited mineral map, and UMS games. They were casual players. SC2, while supposedly advertised as a more "casual" game ironically failed to capture the heart of the non-hardcore audience. Even if SC2 had Bnet 1.0 and all the same maps like BGH, fastest, and other UMS maps, it wouldn't be able to get people to play those over F2P mobas. There's no point in releasing a pay to play RTS in 201x when MOBAs offer a free to play casual RTS experience.
Its really a timing issue. While Blizzard, Kespa were arguing over BW lawsuits and SC2 transition, the "casuals" were trying LoL. Have Blizzard not done anything negative to Kespa, SC2 would have had a much more positive PR for players to try out. Many Koreans were appalled by Blizzard's behavior during that time frame.
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Oh, I saw that and didn't absorb the key information before: Legend made a team.
I'll probably support them in GSTL.
On December 20 2013 02:47 Waxangel wrote:Source: Daily EsportsHead Coach Kim Min Gi stated that the original goal of SouL was to give opportunities to players who were unable to find teams after STX dropped their sponsorship of STX SouL. Saying that all the SouL players had either been able to find new teams or decided to retire, Head Coach Kim declared SouL to have fulfilled its purpose.
Yes, that's a good mentality and it's great that it's already worked out for them, except that there are still a couple of players remaining. I hope they both get picked up! We need to see Hyvaa continue in proleague, too!
On December 20 2013 14:00 for_the_swarm wrote:MOBAs ARE the future of esports and blizzard is hopping on with their new game heros of the storm
Perhaps, but gawd, that's a bloody shame for all the people who find it's a dreadfully mind-numbingly boring genre to watch.
ㅠ__ㅠ
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On December 20 2013 02:55 geokilla wrote:
That was the goal of Soul? To help their players find teams? If so, then good guy Soul.
Yep, seems like they were doing it for shear love for the game and their players
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On December 20 2013 13:03 Kergy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 12:57 Arceus wrote:
Come to think of it guys. If Najin pulls out of LoL, 200 corporations would surely line up to pick up Sword/Shield.
Will it happen to Stars/Soul? Would Jinair secure T8 if it's not for LoL and one starcraftmaniac daughter? Unlikely. Because of either (or both) reasons:
- Sc2 is an inferior game and/or LoL is a superior game, play-wise and spectating-wise
- Blizzard's marketing/strategy sucks.
The fact that the game/the company are having lots of issues has as much to do as sponsors going bankrupt. Who to blame when OGN seems to drop sc2 100%? Collapsed sponsors or Riot or Blizzard?
BW was facing the same issues back then? You are comparing 12 years old scene with one hell of a scandal against 3 years old one which should be at its prime.
Well Im talking almost strictly about Korea. But the scene going global? It's Koreans taking all the money vs 1 competitive foreigners. Asides of the timezone, it's not better than a healthy domestic individual/teamleague system for me. Korean scene is still the root of starcraft success and it's apparently shaking.
So maybe instead of denying the negativity, we should acknowledge it and urge Blizzard to make really drastic changes to LotV. Something other than adjusting movement 300 times or removing upgrade requirement. but sword sucks :x
Hey, but Shield is kinda decent now! Sword are solid to say the least, their group for Winter was brutal of course. It's weird for me to say this but they definitely have #potential to be back at the top.
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Damn. STX Soul was a fine team. I thought Soul was the never give up never surrender... But reality is a bitch.
STX, first proteam to break the gender barrier. I think that's another thing that we can remember (+ of course you know.. wins, championchips, yadadya)
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On December 20 2013 13:38 dcemuser wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 12:57 Arceus wrote:
Come to think of it guys. If Najin pulls out of LoL, 200 corporations would surely line up to pick up Sword/Shield.
Will it happen to Stars/Soul? Would Jinair secure T8 if it's not for LoL and one starcraftmaniac daughter? Unlikely. Because of either (or both) reasons:
- Sc2 is an inferior game and/or LoL is a superior game, play-wise and spectating-wise
- Blizzard's marketing/strategy sucks.
The fact that the game/the company are having lots of issues has as much to do as sponsors going bankrupt. Who to blame when OGN seems to drop sc2 100%? Collapsed sponsors or Riot or Blizzard?
BW was facing the same issues back then? You are comparing 12 years old scene with one hell of a scandal against 3 years old one which should be at its prime.
Well Im talking almost strictly about Korea. But the scene going global? It's Koreans taking all the money vs 1 competitive foreigners. Asides of the timezone, it's not better than a healthy domestic individual/teamleague system for me. Korean scene is still the root of starcraft success and it's apparently shaking.
So maybe instead of denying the negativity, we should acknowledge it and urge Blizzard to make really drastic changes to LotV. Something other than adjusting movement 300 times or removing upgrade requirement. Why do people always make it LoL vs SC2 and Riot vs Blizzard instead of MOBA vs RTS? What if MOBAs are the future to esports, and nothing Blizzard could do could actually change this? Your argument fails to address that question, and instead makes a lot of assumptions about a lot of things.
Perhaps it's mobas vs rts.
Just looking at my friends they all stopped playing SC2 due to SC2 not being strategy for a casual player but mechanics only.
I kind of agree. For mot players SC2 isn't strategy at all. It's about mechanics where in a game like LoL you can jump in an actually talk strategy without "yeah, but look at your worker count. You missed an inject, you missed a supply depo, you missed a chrono etc".
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Hearing LoL described as an RTS makes me sick. It's a strategy game like Diablo 3 is a strategy game, 'Which bosses should I farm for the best loot?! Which team would do best in the arena wearing what gear using what specs?!'
The degree to which that's not strategy is monolithic.
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On December 20 2013 16:44 pure.Wasted wrote:
Hearing LoL described as an RTS makes me sick. It's a strategy game like Diablo 3 is a strategy game, 'Which bosses should I farm for the best loot?! Which team would do best in the arena wearing what gear using what specs?!'
The degree to which that's not strategy is monolithic.
GG we reached that point again. I guess this thread is done.
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The two finalists of the last PL have both disbanded, such sadness
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