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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
December 19 2013 19:48 GMT
#101
On December 20 2013 04:38 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2013 04:35 Xiphos wrote:
On December 20 2013 04:23 Zealously wrote:
On December 20 2013 03:58 hypercube wrote:
On December 20 2013 03:09 Zealously wrote:
On December 20 2013 03:01 LongShot27 wrote:
1st and 2nd place proleague teams from last season cease to exist.....yes this bodes so well....

And both diskanded for reasons unrelated to SC2.


They were successful teams with history, fanbase and an existing infrastructure. The fact that noone wanted to pick them up as a whole speaks volumes.


For Woongjin Stars and STX SouL (probably two of the less popular KeSPA teams) to work in the way they previously did, they would have required a corporate sponsorship or an unusually large sum of money from some kind of minor sponsor. The teams have Brood War history but very little to speak of in Starcraft II. Had SC2 Proleague been a 10-year old thing and two teams had disbanded without someone sweeping in to pick up the pieces, I would have been surprised. But when two teams with large corporate (Korean) sponsors disband after recently switching to a new game, due to the sponsor's own financial issues, it's not very strange that no one wants to keep the team together. Snatching only the good players is both cheaper and more profitable.


It means that sponsors have no faith in the scene.

Jin Air had faith tho.


JinAir have been dealing with Kespa for a while now. Btw JinAir was also in negotiation with Kespa when Team 8 was still playing BW as a potential sponsor so sponsorship from them is to be expected.
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-19 19:52:43
December 19 2013 19:51 GMT
#102
On December 20 2013 04:44 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2013 04:23 Zealously wrote:
On December 20 2013 03:58 hypercube wrote:
On December 20 2013 03:09 Zealously wrote:
On December 20 2013 03:01 LongShot27 wrote:
1st and 2nd place proleague teams from last season cease to exist.....yes this bodes so well....

And both diskanded for reasons unrelated to SC2.


They were successful teams with history, fanbase and an existing infrastructure. The fact that noone wanted to pick them up as a whole speaks volumes.


For Woongjin Stars and STX SouL (probably two of the less popular KeSPA teams) to work in the way they previously did, they would have required a corporate sponsorship or an unusually large sum of money from some kind of minor sponsor. The teams have Brood War history but very little to speak of in Starcraft II. Had SC2 Proleague been a 10-year old thing and two teams had disbanded without someone sweeping in to pick up the pieces, I would have been surprised. But when two teams with large corporate (Korean) sponsors disband after recently switching to a new game, due to the sponsor's own financial issues, it's not very strange that no one wants to keep the team together. Snatching only the good players is both cheaper and more profitable.


The model and entire infrastructure is changing. Before you had a teamhouse in Korea and could fill it up with both A-teamers and B-teamers / practice partners. Korea was the scene, and everything eSports was largely in Korea. You had large teams, and many players who would never see the light of a televised match. You didn't have to fly players all around the world, and the cost of adding another player was minimal.

Now the scene is global. There are tournaments that are located on the opposite sides of the planet, and travel costs are suddenly very very significant. Many teams are getting leaner rosters, and there has been many more individual tournaments and less emphasis on team leagues.

When saying about it we always should look at LoL scene as it is the main focus now and there the teams need only 5-6 players to make a team which is more cost-efficient + the game is insanely popular. For sponsors LoL is very profitable business compare to SC2 where the team need at least 3 player of every race to get a perfect training enviroment. So in conclusion:
LoL is more popular and a team needs 5-6 players.
SC2 has lets be honest big troubles with popularity in Korea and a team needs 9-12 players.
Lets be honest if you were a sponsor what would you choose?
I would choose SC2 but it is only because SC2 is everything for me all my memories, passion and players who I all know.
FakePseudo
Profile Joined January 2012
Belgium716 Posts
December 19 2013 19:52 GMT
#103
Acer'Hyvaaaaaaaa plz.
He and Bly would be the one-two cheesy punch.
I am the 0.0007% /forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17208334|| Big Black Women Vocals Is Like Porn to my Ears ||San Antonio Spurs|Boston Celtics||#1EZToss Hater;
DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
December 19 2013 19:53 GMT
#104
On December 20 2013 04:52 FakePseudo wrote:
Acer'Hyvaaaaaaaa plz.
He and Bly would be the one-two cheesy punch.

IM.hyvaa or KT.hyvaa plz they have troubles with zergs and I want to see hyvaa in SPL.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19397 Posts
December 19 2013 19:54 GMT
#105
On December 20 2013 03:01 LongShot27 wrote:
1st and 2nd place proleague teams from last season cease to exist.....yes this bodes so well....

This is why SKT wins every time. They know how to handle the crown. Long live the Humble Kingdom!
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-19 20:01:57
December 19 2013 19:55 GMT
#106
On December 20 2013 04:51 DiMano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2013 04:44 Bagration wrote:
On December 20 2013 04:23 Zealously wrote:
On December 20 2013 03:58 hypercube wrote:
On December 20 2013 03:09 Zealously wrote:
On December 20 2013 03:01 LongShot27 wrote:
1st and 2nd place proleague teams from last season cease to exist.....yes this bodes so well....

And both diskanded for reasons unrelated to SC2.


They were successful teams with history, fanbase and an existing infrastructure. The fact that noone wanted to pick them up as a whole speaks volumes.


For Woongjin Stars and STX SouL (probably two of the less popular KeSPA teams) to work in the way they previously did, they would have required a corporate sponsorship or an unusually large sum of money from some kind of minor sponsor. The teams have Brood War history but very little to speak of in Starcraft II. Had SC2 Proleague been a 10-year old thing and two teams had disbanded without someone sweeping in to pick up the pieces, I would have been surprised. But when two teams with large corporate (Korean) sponsors disband after recently switching to a new game, due to the sponsor's own financial issues, it's not very strange that no one wants to keep the team together. Snatching only the good players is both cheaper and more profitable.


The model and entire infrastructure is changing. Before you had a teamhouse in Korea and could fill it up with both A-teamers and B-teamers / practice partners. Korea was the scene, and everything eSports was largely in Korea. You had large teams, and many players who would never see the light of a televised match. You didn't have to fly players all around the world, and the cost of adding another player was minimal.

Now the scene is global. There are tournaments that are located on the opposite sides of the planet, and travel costs are suddenly very very significant. Many teams are getting leaner rosters, and there has been many more individual tournaments and less emphasis on team leagues.
compare to SC2 where the team need at least 3 player of every race to get a perfect training enviroment.


Meh, I disagree with that. If you're talking about optimal practice environment then you should also compare it to the optimal Korean LoL practice environment, or else you're being unfair towards SC2.
You definitely need two teams with at least 5 members each. Then many teams have practice partners for drills and lane matchups living with them who are not on any of the starting rosters. In conclusion you get a bare minimum of 10 people and easily up to 15 (in some extreme cases more obviously) or so to be able to be competitive as a team in Korea.

For example CJ has 14 players just on their rosters, not including practice partners. (who can be seen like the League version of b-teamers I suppose).
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12071 Posts
December 19 2013 19:57 GMT
#107
On December 20 2013 04:54 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2013 03:01 LongShot27 wrote:
1st and 2nd place proleague teams from last season cease to exist.....yes this bodes so well....

This is why SKT wins every time. They know how to handle the crown. Long live the Humble Kingdom!


Even ex-SKT still manages to be the best.
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
December 19 2013 20:00 GMT
#108
Soul disbanding sooner rather than later was given. Hopefully hyvaa doesn't retire. Wouldn't mind seeing him on KT.
Flash | Mvp
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44312 Posts
December 19 2013 20:04 GMT
#109
KT hyvaa please .. they need his proleague power
this is a quote
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19397 Posts
December 19 2013 20:10 GMT
#110
On December 20 2013 04:57 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2013 04:54 BisuDagger wrote:
On December 20 2013 03:01 LongShot27 wrote:
1st and 2nd place proleague teams from last season cease to exist.....yes this bodes so well....

This is why SKT wins every time. They know how to handle the crown. Long live the Humble Kingdom!


Even ex-SKT still manages to be the best.

You cannot fight its power. They also won in League too!
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
December 19 2013 20:11 GMT
#111
On December 20 2013 05:10 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2013 04:57 Qikz wrote:
On December 20 2013 04:54 BisuDagger wrote:
On December 20 2013 03:01 LongShot27 wrote:
1st and 2nd place proleague teams from last season cease to exist.....yes this bodes so well....

This is why SKT wins every time. They know how to handle the crown. Long live the Humble Kingdom!


Even ex-SKT still manages to be the best.

You cannot fight its power. They also won in League too!


But only by the might of StarTale
AdministratorBreak the chains
vesicular
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1311 Posts
December 19 2013 20:14 GMT
#112
/salute
STX Fighting!
shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
December 19 2013 20:14 GMT
#113
after the dear switch i think we all kinda assumed.
It was a good run.
RIP MKP
Paragleiber
Profile Joined June 2009
413 Posts
December 19 2013 20:14 GMT
#114
On December 20 2013 02:54 NovaMB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2013 02:52 Noocta wrote:
And GSTL is now 4 teams lol

5 teams
AxA, StarTale, foU, Claufzubu and Team Epic


Claufzubu?
http://www.twitter.com/Paragleiber
Swiv
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany3674 Posts
December 19 2013 20:15 GMT
#115
please hyvaa, stay sc2 player ♥
[_] Terran [_] Zerg [_] Protoss [X] Random ------- Fantasy - hyvaa - sOs
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
December 19 2013 20:16 GMT
#116
On December 20 2013 05:11 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2013 05:10 BisuDagger wrote:
On December 20 2013 04:57 Qikz wrote:
On December 20 2013 04:54 BisuDagger wrote:
On December 20 2013 03:01 LongShot27 wrote:
1st and 2nd place proleague teams from last season cease to exist.....yes this bodes so well....

This is why SKT wins every time. They know how to handle the crown. Long live the Humble Kingdom!


Even ex-SKT still manages to be the best.

You cannot fight its power. They also won in League too!


But only by the might of StarTale


Damn, you're actually right! Athough funnily enough 4 of the old ST guys went to KT, only to be dominated by SKT.
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
December 19 2013 20:17 GMT
#117
On December 20 2013 05:14 Paragleiber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2013 02:54 NovaMB wrote:
On December 20 2013 02:52 Noocta wrote:
And GSTL is now 4 teams lol

5 teams
AxA, StarTale, foU, Claufzubu and Team Epic


Claufzubu?


Azubu shell company Clauf™
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Paragleiber
Profile Joined June 2009
413 Posts
December 19 2013 20:20 GMT
#118
On December 20 2013 05:17 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2013 05:14 Paragleiber wrote:
On December 20 2013 02:54 NovaMB wrote:
On December 20 2013 02:52 Noocta wrote:
And GSTL is now 4 teams lol

5 teams
AxA, StarTale, foU, Claufzubu and Team Epic


Claufzubu?


Azubu shell company Clauf™


Any link with further information? I did read about Clauf on a German website (weird that there is nothing on TL about it) but that didn't say anything about it being related to Azubu in any way.
http://www.twitter.com/Paragleiber
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
December 19 2013 20:21 GMT
#119
On December 20 2013 05:20 Paragleiber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2013 05:17 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On December 20 2013 05:14 Paragleiber wrote:
On December 20 2013 02:54 NovaMB wrote:
On December 20 2013 02:52 Noocta wrote:
And GSTL is now 4 teams lol

5 teams
AxA, StarTale, foU, Claufzubu and Team Epic


Claufzubu?


Azubu shell company Clauf™


Any link with further information? I did read about Clauf on a German website (weird that there is nothing on TL about it) but that didn't say anything about it being related to Azubu in any way.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406145
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
December 19 2013 20:23 GMT
#120
Sadsadsad
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
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