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So, now to the rage: Life for me is #3. #6 is way too low for him. Also JD should rather be around 5-8.
Also Innovation more like #10 or totally out... apart from some nice games in DH winter he showed nearly nothing in the last months!
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Caladan
Germany1238 Posts
So, now to the rage: Life for me is #3. #6 is way too low for him. Also JD should rather be around 5-8. Also Innovation more like #10 or totally out... apart from some nice games in DH winter he showed nearly nothing in the last months! | ||
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Prixm
Sweden145 Posts
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BakedButters
United States748 Posts
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KnowNothing
69 Posts
On December 04 2013 08:08 Neemi wrote: So who are the top players he can beat to prove his worth? From left to right in order of significance: Dear, Soulkey, Jaedong, Maru. It's hard to tell who else belongs with them, but these are the four that stand out right now. | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
On December 04 2013 08:13 Supert0fu wrote: How can you rate some one number one if they don't do well in THE PREMIER TOURNAMENT. Not in season 3 or in the global finals. He couldn't hack it in Korea and so went to America where the competition is easier. Sure he maybe great at foreign tournaments, but so was Stephano. Stephano won lone star clash, NASL 3, and WCS Europe over 4 months, but was never #1. The two dream hacks were very impressive, but I just don't think that the level of competition was all that high in HomeStory Cup roster was that impressive. No one can be crowned rank 1 in the world unless they have been competing in Korea's most prestigious tournaments, GSL, WCS, or OSL. (Or beats the korean champion at WCS finals, but even then...) Edit: This be like ranking Boise State (Taeja) # 1 after Alabama (Dear) wins the SEC and the national championship. After a team/player wins the super bowl/wcs finals shouldn't they automatically be ranked #1? totally agree. How the fuck can Taeja be Nr. 1, when he only really shines in beating 2nd tier competition. He beat sOs 2-1, which is nice, but sOs played very very bad in that series and lost to very simple moves. He finished top4 in WCS season 2 finals, which is nice. But Bomber won this tournament above him and even got top4 at Blizzcon and isn´t even in the top10. Besides WCS season 2 finals, Taeja has no results in any tournament with stacked Code S level competition. Maru on the other hand won WCS korea season 2 and got top4 in WCS Korea season 3, season 3 finals and blizzcon. 4 of the hardest 5 tournaments in the last months. Dear won WCS Korea season 3 and season 3 finals. Taeja is a good player and he uses his skills to earn as many prize money as he can get. But Nr.1?? TL bias is strong here. | ||
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
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Popkiller
3415 Posts
On December 04 2013 08:21 opterown wrote: hrmmm i honestly think maru is 1-2 ranks too low Has Maru had better results than Life or SK since the last PR? | ||
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BakedButters
United States748 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On December 04 2013 08:23 Popkiller wrote: Has Maru had better results than Life or SK since the last PR? yeah, 3 top4s in some of the most stacked tournaments is more impressive than either life or soulkey. heck i'd almost say it's more impressive than jaedong. certainly more consistent than sOs too. | ||
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DifuntO
Greece2376 Posts
Some people are complaining about Taeja being #1.I guess that's because he didn't win any WCS events but i think he totally deserves it.Very solid play for a long time now and just take a look at the opponents he beat. | ||
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perfidiusrex
Belgium78 Posts
On December 04 2013 08:23 TeeTS wrote: totally agree. How the fuck can Taeja be Nr. 1, when he only really shines in beating 2nd tier competition. He beat sOs 2-1, which is nice, but sOs played very very bad in that series and lost to very simple moves. He finished top4 in WCS season 2 finals, which is nice. But Bomber won this tournament above him and even got top4 at Blizzcon and isn´t even in the top10. Besides WCS season 2 finals, Taeja has no results in any tournament with stacked Code S level competition. Maru on the other hand won WCS korea season 2 and got top4 in WCS Korea season 3, season 3 finals and blizzcon. 4 of the hardest 5 tournaments in the last months. Dear won WCS Korea season 3 and season 3 finals. Taeja is a good player and he uses his skills to earn as many prize money as he can get. But Nr.1?? TL bias is strong here. i think the exact same thing.besides sos taeja beat only koreans who ran from korea in the first place or the ones who are in a slump.i seriously doubt that waxangel believes taeja is number 1.either that or too many people have stopped watching sc2 in korea.which is a bit weird cause teamliquid is usually a bastion for korea lovers. | ||
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halfaspider
United States31 Posts
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hipo
France482 Posts
On December 04 2013 08:19 KnowNothing wrote: From left to right in order of significance: Dear, Soulkey, Jaedong, Maru. It's hard to tell who else belongs with them, but these are the four that stand out right now. Yea. I do understand why Taeja is ranked first in this powerrank (his run in Dreamhack was incredible) but imo, it's a bit unfair to rank him above Dear, Soulkey and Maru when none of them played in the tournaments won by Taeja. To make it more fair, it might be a good idea to create 2 powerranks: one for korean tournaments only (including WCS korea, GSTL, PL...) and one for international tournaments since a lot of korean players only play in korea. | ||
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skipdog172
United States331 Posts
Until he can prove his worth in a tourney stacked with Code S players, it's silly to claim he's #1 because of his foreign tourney wins that were quite light on true competition. | ||
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showBanquo
Sweden182 Posts
Nice to see Life back again, really look forward to (hopefully) see him rise to the top again. Also I hope that soon Naniwa will be able to get in the top 10. Congrats to Taeja, really well deserved #1 spot. Taeja and Life were obviously on another level than the other guys (and they were by no means bad!) at DH, and well look at the results.. Taeja was the stronger one. Such a beast. | ||
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BakedButters
United States748 Posts
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On December 04 2013 08:28 perfidiusrex wrote: i think the exact same thing.besides sos taeja beat only koreans who ran from korea in the first place or the ones who are in a slump.i seriously doubt that waxangel believes taeja is number 1.either that or too many people have stopped watching sc2 in korea.which is a bit weird cause teamliquid is usually a bastion for korea lovers. All those arguments can be applied to ANY player whatsoever. Absolutely no player except maybe Soulkey has any actual consistency to speak of using the strict criteria that some people here want applied. Put any of the top 25 players into a tournament and there is no way you will be able to predict the results of that tournament with any reasonable accuracy. At least you won't statistically do better than ranking systems like Aligulac. So basically what people using those arguments are trying to say that there is no way to determine number 1, and thus no ranking can be done. But that would be giving too much credit. I think people are just trying to vent their own biases. If Taeja is TL bias, for every proposed number 1 I can claim as strong a bias of the proponent. The only exception being machine/point created rankings, wait, Taeja is number 1 in many of those. | ||
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GulpyBlinkeyes
United States1449 Posts
Regardless of whether Taeja deserves the top spot or not, I find it a little strange that so many people use the fact that Taeja hasn't played much in Korea purely as a strike against him. In many ways, I find it more impressive that his results aren't just on his home turf. Yes, playing in global tournaments means he runs into a higher percentage of soft players than players who only enter GSL/WCS KR, but to me it is extraordinary that Taeja can play so consistently across such inconsistent conditions. Online, offline, in America, in Europe, well-rested, jet lagged, on a big stage, inside of Take's apartment... the type of resilience it takes to win and win often under these varied conditions is pretty remarkable. I know it's more difficult to quantify than something like "Dear beat X, and Taeja beat Y, and X is better than Y", but it's still something that I feel shouldn't be undervalued. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On December 04 2013 08:37 skipdog172 wrote: I don't understand how anybody who actually pays a lot of attention to the scene can honestly believe Taeja is the best player in the world right now. Until he can prove his worth in a tourney stacked with Code S players, it's silly to claim he's #1 because of his foreign tourney wins that were quite light on true competition. I think many people agreeing with the rank would disagree with the statement "Taeja is the best player in the world". There is so much volatility in SC2 that any such claim is completely arbitrary and meaningless. Rank #1 in some ranking is not the same as claiming that the player is the best player in the world with all the associated semantic baggage. | ||
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