The 2013 HOT6ix CUP Last Big Match is here! Best players from the Korean SC2 tournaments which were held in 2013 will participate in HOT6ix CUP and only one will be left standing in this fierce battle. In addition, Best Player Award, Best Match Award, and Best Rookie Player Award will be given at the Grand Finals venue.
Does anyone found it curious that Innovation isn't in? All other finalists of Korean tournaments in 2013 are participating while he was apparently replaced by Bomber.
On November 26 2013 20:05 digmouse wrote: Does anyone found it curious that Innovation isn't in? All other finalists of Korean tournaments in 2013 are participating while he was apparently replaced by Bomber.
On November 26 2013 20:05 digmouse wrote: Does anyone found it curious that Innovation isn't in? All other finalists of Korean tournaments in 2013 are participating while he was apparently replaced by Bomber.
Someone posted in Bomber's fan club that Bomber replaced INnoVation because he was going to that ASUS ROG tournament
On November 26 2013 20:05 digmouse wrote: Does anyone found it curious that Innovation isn't in? All other finalists of Korean tournaments in 2013 are participating while he was apparently replaced by Bomber.
He's in Germany for ASUS ROG.
Oh that makes sense. It feels wrong without him here tho.
On November 26 2013 20:07 vjcamarena wrote: Why is Innovation (as the Season 1 finalist) not going? Is he unable to go and that's why Bomber get's a spot?
On November 26 2013 20:33 The_Red_Viper wrote: no zerg in the ro4, that is kinda sad :/
Are you serious? Soulkey will roll over Bomber
You mean like in Blizzcon where Bomber 3-1 him?
To be honest, everything can happen. I would like to see Soulkey - Dear or Soulkey - Maru finals.
Yes, it feels bad without Innovation, I would replace Roro with Innovation, so we would have 3-3-2 in terms of race distribution(and because Roro isn't that good obviously...), would be a lot better. Too bad that Inno can't play. :S
probably because Innovation was in the top 8 so they went to the next one
although I guess it's possible that the winners and runners up weren't necessarily the top 8 since idk if they counted OSL so I guess you might have a point
On November 26 2013 20:02 elmerpogs wrote: The winner of this match will be the best in the world.
By which division? :D
p.s. Even though I like Bomber and want him to do well, I think it would be fair that they included Innovation as the WCS S1 runner up. Every other season has both guys who were in the finals, it just doesn't make sense to me.
On November 26 2013 21:24 Shellshock wrote: probably because Innovation was in the top 8 so they went to the next one
although I guess it's possible that the winners and runners up weren't necessarily the top 8 since idk if they counted OSL so I guess you might have a point
Ah right, Innovation is playing in DH this weekend, so if he were eligible by GSL points he probably couldn't attend anyways.
On November 26 2013 21:24 Shellshock wrote: probably because Innovation was in the top 8 so they went to the next one
although I guess it's possible that the winners and runners up weren't necessarily the top 8 since idk if they counted OSL so I guess you might have a point
Ah right, Innovation is playing in DH this weekend, so if he were eligible by GSL points he probably couldn't attend anyways.
InnoVations GSL points don't matter, he's the one being replaced here; he was qualified because he was WCS S1 Korea Champion. He forfeit because of DH.
On November 26 2013 21:24 Shellshock wrote: probably because Innovation was in the top 8 so they went to the next one
although I guess it's possible that the winners and runners up weren't necessarily the top 8 since idk if they counted OSL so I guess you might have a point
Ah right, Innovation is playing in DH this weekend, so if he were eligible by GSL points he probably couldn't attend anyways.
InnoVations GSL points don't matter, he's the one being replaced here; he was qualified because he was WCS S1 Korea Champion. He forfeit because of DH.
On November 26 2013 21:24 Shellshock wrote: probably because Innovation was in the top 8 so they went to the next one
although I guess it's possible that the winners and runners up weren't necessarily the top 8 since idk if they counted OSL so I guess you might have a point
Ah right, Innovation is playing in DH this weekend, so if he were eligible by GSL points he probably couldn't attend anyways.
InnoVations GSL points don't matter, he's the one being replaced here; he was qualified because he was WCS S1 Korea Champion. He forfeit because of DH.
On November 26 2013 22:53 Ketch wrote: Interesting that Inno prefers Asus Rog over Hot6ixcup
He himself wants to play in Hot6ix but Acer wants him to play in ASUS ROG, so he has no choice.
"I actually wanted to take part in the Hot6ix Cup, but the team wanted me to take part in the ASUS ROG tournament." from the GSTL winners' interview.
A bit surprising, since I would put this significantly ahead of ASUS ROG in prominence. Bomber's his replacement though, so I guess I can't be disappointed. Looking forward to this.
On November 26 2013 21:21 JustPassingBy wrote: Not that I mind seeing Bomber, but why would you invite somebody based on GSL points that is 9th in the ranking and not one of number 1 to number 8?
Maybe because he is top WCS points from the WCS/GSL/OSL KR players? Or do you think they should invite JD, Polt and Hero? Please think before you post.
On November 26 2013 20:41 c0olL wrote: Wont be able to watch live, will the vods be free?
Unlikely.
Woot? I thought GSL stuff had free, but maybe shitty quality vods now a days. With all the tournaments that are free with high quality vods, I can't believe they still cling to this model.
On November 26 2013 22:53 Ketch wrote: Interesting that Inno prefers Asus Rog over Hot6ixcup
He himself wants to play in Hot6ix but Acer wants him to play in ASUS ROG, so he has no choice.
"I actually wanted to take part in the Hot6ix Cup, but the team wanted me to take part in the ASUS ROG tournament." from the GSTL winners' interview.
A bit surprising, since I would put this significantly ahead of ASUS ROG in prominence. Bomber's his replacement though, so I guess I can't be disappointed. Looking forward to this.
Like you said, YOU would put it significantly as a fan on TL(more hardcore). But to Acer? Probably ASUS. ROG in EU compare to hot6ix in KR.
Why do you think Jaedong is playing in NA? Because EG wants him there.
On November 26 2013 20:33 The_Red_Viper wrote: no zerg in the ro4, that is kinda sad :/
Are you serious? Soulkey will roll over Bomber
You mean like he did at Blizzcon?
On November 26 2013 20:41 c0olL wrote: Wont be able to watch live, will the vods be free?
Unlikely.
Woot? I thought GSL stuff had free, but maybe shitty quality vods now a days. With all the tournaments that are free with high quality vods, I can't believe they still cling to this model.
What's the alternative? Do you know of a model that generates more revenue?
On November 26 2013 21:21 JustPassingBy wrote: Not that I mind seeing Bomber, but why would you invite somebody based on GSL points that is 9th in the ranking and not one of number 1 to number 8?
Maybe because he is top WCS points from the WCS/GSL/OSL KR players? Or do you think they should invite JD, Polt and Hero? Please think before you post.
But they implicitly justified their invitation by the GSL points.
On November 26 2013 22:53 Ketch wrote: Interesting that Inno prefers Asus Rog over Hot6ixcup
He himself wants to play in Hot6ix but Acer wants him to play in ASUS ROG, so he has no choice.
"I actually wanted to take part in the Hot6ix Cup, but the team wanted me to take part in the ASUS ROG tournament." from the GSTL winners' interview.
A bit surprising, since I would put this significantly ahead of ASUS ROG in prominence. Bomber's his replacement though, so I guess I can't be disappointed. Looking forward to this.
I would much prefer the two spots from GSL S1(the Wings one) to go to the Global Finalists instead of the finalists from that Wings season everyone forgot about. Without sOs and Jaedong I think Dear pretty much rolls everything in his path. Hoping for Dear V Maru finals because they have a sprouting rivalry and have played some amazing games
On November 26 2013 20:05 digmouse wrote: Does anyone found it curious that Innovation isn't in? All other finalists of Korean tournaments in 2013 are participating while he was apparently replaced by Bomber.
afaik it's winners cup, and innovation didnt win a korean tournament.
On November 26 2013 20:05 digmouse wrote: Does anyone found it curious that Innovation isn't in? All other finalists of Korean tournaments in 2013 are participating while he was apparently replaced by Bomber.
afaik it's winners cup, and innovation didnt win a korean tournament.
Nah, it is finalists cup, and Innovation was initially invited, but Acer chose ROG for him (probably because small time interval between DH:W and ROG) so he was replaced by Bomber (9th in GSL rankings, as Inno and other 7 are top8 of them).
On November 26 2013 20:05 digmouse wrote: Does anyone found it curious that Innovation isn't in? All other finalists of Korean tournaments in 2013 are participating while he was apparently replaced by Bomber.
afaik it's winners cup, and innovation didnt win a korean tournament.
wrong, wrong wrong wrong.
Innos at asus rog. He, like many others, was a gsl runnerup.
On November 26 2013 20:02 elmerpogs wrote: The winner of this match will be the best in the world.
No, it depends on who is the winner. Just like with Blizzcon. If Dear or Jaedong had won the tournament, people would've had no issue proclaiming them as the best. But sOs won, and now people just say it was a fluke.
So if Dear wins, then people will say he is the best. But if RoRo wins, people will say it's another fluke.
On November 26 2013 20:02 elmerpogs wrote: The winner of this match will be the best in the world.
No, it depends on who is the winner. Just like with Blizzcon. If Dear or Jaedong had won the tournament, people would've had no issue proclaiming them as the best. But sOs won, and now people just say it was a fluke.
So if Dear wins, then people will say he is the best. But if RoRo wins, people will say it's another fluke.
Roro winning will always be a fluke no matter what
On November 26 2013 20:02 elmerpogs wrote: The winner of this match will be the best in the world.
No, it depends on who is the winner. Just like with Blizzcon. If Dear or Jaedong had won the tournament, people would've had no issue proclaiming them as the best. But sOs won, and now people just say it was a fluke.
So if Dear wins, then people will say he is the best. But if RoRo wins, people will say it's another fluke.
Roro winning will always be a fluke no matter what
What if it's the "who is the biggest fluke" contest that he wins?
On November 27 2013 04:00 zEEzz wrote: innovation competing for 10k/16 players instead of 18k/8 "players" (including the ones which won just because of wol?)
come on innovation.. what are you searching for?
He said in his interview that his team is making him go to ASUS ROG but he personally wanted to play in this
On November 26 2013 20:02 elmerpogs wrote: The winner of this match will be the best in the world.
No, it depends on who is the winner. Just like with Blizzcon. If Dear or Jaedong had won the tournament, people would've had no issue proclaiming them as the best. But sOs won, and now people just say it was a fluke.
So if Dear wins, then people will say he is the best. But if RoRo wins, people will say it's another fluke.
Roro winning will always be a fluke no matter what
What if it's the "who is the biggest fluke" contest that he wins?
On November 27 2013 04:00 zEEzz wrote: innovation competing for 10k/16 players instead of 18k/8 "players" (including the ones which won just because of wol?)
come on innovation.. what are you searching for?
He said in his interview that his team is making him go to ASUS ROG but he personally wanted to play in this
On November 27 2013 04:00 zEEzz wrote: innovation competing for 10k/16 players instead of 18k/8 "players" (including the ones which won just because of wol?)
come on innovation.. what are you searching for?
Well, Acer is a foreign team, and having its players at foreign events might have higher ROI than having them play in a Korean tournament.
Also, the lineup at ASUS is a bit more manageable than the Hot6 (which is pretty stacked), and it is not single elimination, so Innovation has a better chance to make a deeper run.
And finally, Innovation is going to be in Europe anyways for Dreamhack Winter, and for the Acer Teamstory Cup Finals anyways, might want to reduce the travelling (lower costs perhaps for Acer?) and just live in EU for a bit.
On November 26 2013 20:02 elmerpogs wrote: The winner of this match will be the best in the world.
No, it depends on who is the winner. Just like with Blizzcon. If Dear or Jaedong had won the tournament, people would've had no issue proclaiming them as the best. But sOs won, and now people just say it was a fluke.
So if Dear wins, then people will say he is the best. But if RoRo wins, people will say it's another fluke.
Roro winning will always be a fluke no matter what
What if it's the "who is the biggest fluke" contest that he wins?
Doesn't even deserve to win that
Sniper and Seed fight it out for biggest fluke.
Sniper's run was less impressive, but Seed's results after his win are a bit worse. hmm
On November 26 2013 20:02 elmerpogs wrote: The winner of this match will be the best in the world.
No, it depends on who is the winner. Just like with Blizzcon. If Dear or Jaedong had won the tournament, people would've had no issue proclaiming them as the best. But sOs won, and now people just say it was a fluke.
So if Dear wins, then people will say he is the best. But if RoRo wins, people will say it's another fluke.
Roro winning will always be a fluke no matter what
What if it's the "who is the biggest fluke" contest that he wins?
Doesn't even deserve to win that
Sniper and Seed fight it out for biggest fluke.
Sniper's run was less impressive, but Seed's results after his win are a bit worse. hmm
Both Sniper and Seed were very impressive before and after their wins. People just don't remember that.
The ominous title "Last Big Match" made me worried GOM were ending it all. Glad it's just to end out the year. Also glad that there'll be something to watch after DH.
On November 27 2013 04:54 mostwanted wrote: Why INnoVation gave up a more pricey Tourney for a lesser one? 1st place of this GSL thing is 20k while the Asus one is only 10k
Maybe because he thinks that his chances are a lot higher. Also he is participating in DH, as far as I know. So if he were to participate in this cup, he wouldn't be on top of his game because he had to travel recently (which in turn lowers his chances). And naybe he enjoys his trips abroad.
On November 26 2013 21:21 JustPassingBy wrote: Not that I mind seeing Bomber, but why would you invite somebody based on GSL points that is 9th in the ranking and not one of number 1 to number 8?
Maybe because he is top WCS points from the WCS/GSL/OSL KR players? Or do you think they should invite JD, Polt and Hero? Please think before you post.
Or maybe number 1 to number 8 are all already in the tournament?
On November 27 2013 04:00 zEEzz wrote: innovation competing for 10k/16 players instead of 18k/8 "players" (including the ones which won just because of wol?)
come on innovation.. what are you searching for?
Well, Acer is a foreign team, and having its players at foreign events might have higher ROI than having them play in a Korean tournament.
Also, the lineup at ASUS is a bit more manageable than the Hot6 (which is pretty stacked), and it is not single elimination, so Innovation has a better chance to make a deeper run.
And finally, Innovation is going to be in Europe anyways for Dreamhack Winter, and for the Acer Teamstory Cup Finals anyways, might want to reduce the travelling (lower costs perhaps for Acer?) and just live in EU for a bit.
According to Acer management it's for sponsor/business reasons - didn't hear anything about what inno's personal preferences were
Innovation: I actually wanted to take part in the Hot6ix Cup, but the team wanted me to take part in the ASUS ROG tournament. If I had known about the schedule earlier, we could have done some coordinating to resolve the issue, but it's too late now. The schedule for Dreamhack and TeamStory Cup will be connected, so I chose to take part in the overseas tournament. "
On November 27 2013 05:20 Wintex wrote: Bomber is going to wreck Soulkey again and we will have our champion. The best in the world will sit at the throne once again.
Yeah I agree. Dear has a pretty good chance at taking this tournament with his bracket.
On November 27 2013 05:20 Wintex wrote: Bomber is going to wreck Soulkey again and we will have our champion. The best in the world will sit at the throne once again.
Yeah I agree. Dear has a pretty good chance at taking this tournament with his bracket.
Awesome lineup, to bad it looks a bit smaller then the previous iterations of Blizzcup, would have loved to have the winner of DH Winter, Blizzcon and maybe 2 more players, but this is still gonna rock. I hope we get a TvZ or TvT finals!
On November 26 2013 20:02 elmerpogs wrote: The winner of this match will be the best in the world.
No, it depends on who is the winner. Just like with Blizzcon. If Dear or Jaedong had won the tournament, people would've had no issue proclaiming them as the best. But sOs won, and now people just say it was a fluke.
So if Dear wins, then people will say he is the best. But if RoRo wins, people will say it's another fluke.
How are you guna compare Roro to sOs ? sOs was much less fluky than roro winning anything. sOs at least has some history of sustained success, and is well respected among the progamer scene as a great player. Roro is just a joke.
On November 27 2013 07:09 Zaphid wrote: He has better pedigree than Roro and Symbol combined ...
I can name many players that do. What's your point? This tournament is meant for GSL/WCS finalists of this year + Bomber who replaces Innovation based on GSL rankings (presumably). sOs may have won Blizzcon but I don't see why he should have a spot.
On November 27 2013 07:09 Zaphid wrote: He has better pedigree than Roro and Symbol combined ...
I can name many players that do. What's your point? This tournament is meant for GSL/WCS finalists of this year + Bomber who replaces Innovation based on GSL rankings (presumably). sOs may have won Blizzcon but I don't see why he should have a spot.
every tournament should work like this. invite criteria: win some other major tournament or a qualifier. or, if you're Bomber, you're invited because you're Bomber. that's how i would do it if i ran tournaments.
On November 27 2013 14:26 RaiKageRyu wrote: Of course GOM wants to pretend sOs doesn't exist. This cup used to be the GRAND FINALE of the whole year. They don't want to acknowledge Blizzcon.
Read the text in the GOM post , it says :
Best players from the Korean SC2 tournaments which were held in 2013
Blizz-con isnt a korean tournament , it's a global tournament.
On November 27 2013 14:26 RaiKageRyu wrote: Of course GOM wants to pretend sOs doesn't exist. This cup used to be the GRAND FINALE of the whole year. They don't want to acknowledge Blizzcon.
Why would he skip this for a German lower level tourney? Feels bad. I wonder why Star Station is still in the map pool, hate it to death. TvZs should be great, thou.
On November 27 2013 19:50 Dragoonstorm7 wrote: Id be really surprised if the finals were anything other than Dear vs Maru or Dear vs Soulkey.
Get ready for disappointment.
Bomber will slay them all.
I guess Bomber's Law is on his side this time after losing at Red Bull
I wrote an article about the non-existence of said law before Red Bull but unfortunately it was never published. Once I post it it'll make you see the error of your ways.
On November 27 2013 19:50 Dragoonstorm7 wrote: Id be really surprised if the finals were anything other than Dear vs Maru or Dear vs Soulkey.
Get ready for disappointment.
Bomber will slay them all.
I guess Bomber's Law is on his side this time after losing at Red Bull
I wrote an article about the non-existence of said law before Red Bull but unfortunately it was never published. Once I post it it'll make you see the error of your ways.
On November 28 2013 02:13 never_Nal wrote: Interesting Pool, Bomber should'nt be there however he will give the best series of them all, I would picked Taeja for replacement tho XD
Uhem, TaeJa would better not forfeit Code S then :D
On November 28 2013 02:40 blackone wrote: Taeja doesn't even compete in GSL, that would be a horrible replacement.
Horrible? Or so awesome it would blow your mind!
No, I'm a big TaeJa fan, but this is not a random invitational, it's a tournament of the most succesful GSL/WCS Korea players of this season. It makes sense to replace an absent player with someone who's high in GSL rankings. I wouldn't make sense at all to replace him with a player who hasn't played in WCS Korea.
On November 28 2013 07:02 painkilla wrote: Is this the replacement for Blizzard cup but way smaller?
I wouldn't say way smaller. Blizzard Cups had 10 players and this one has eight. I don't doubt production values will be just as high as in years past.
I don't understand why Bomber got invited instead of sOs.
Hot6ix Cup is for GSL finalist, Innovation earn it as the WCS season 1 Champion, since he reject it, RO4 of that season should be invited (which are Symbol and sOs), since Symbol already earn it, so it's goes to sOs.
According to GSL ranking counting with WCS point, in this year: Bomber sOs GSL season 1: RO16(13-16: 200) CodeA (1-12: 100) WCS Season1: RO8(500) RO4(750) OSL : RO4(750) RO32(17-24:150) WCS Season3: RO32(17-24:150) RO16(9-12: 300)
I don't understand, is GOMTV putting this on separate from gomtv.net? There's no listing on the schedule on the site, only WoT. I'd be really disappointed if my monthly sub doesn't include this tournament.
On December 01 2013 07:11 TheJestOne wrote: I don't understand, is GOMTV putting this on separate from gomtv.net? There's no listing on the schedule on the site, only WoT. I'd be really disappointed if my monthly sub doesn't include this tournament.
The extra tournaments have never been included in normal GSL/GSTL packs. If you want that you either way a fee for only that tournament or a monthly subscription.
On December 01 2013 07:11 TheJestOne wrote: I don't understand, is GOMTV putting this on separate from gomtv.net? There's no listing on the schedule on the site, only WoT. I'd be really disappointed if my monthly sub doesn't include this tournament.
The extra tournaments have never been included in normal GSL/GSTL packs. If you want that you either way a fee for only that tournament or a monthly subscription.
I said (and pay way too much for honestly considering the limited amount of sc2 lately) monthly sub. It's not listed on the schedule or even anywhere on the gomtv.net site.
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