Woongjin_sOs and the greatest story never told - Page 4

On November 23 2013 03:36 ZAiNs wrote:
It really feels like people didn't even bother watching sOs' PvTs at Blizzcon.

On November 22 2013 19:55 Random_0 wrote:
What sOs needs is sick nickname, something that makes people remember his achievements and crystallize his play style in their minds.

Because his wins aren't through astounding micro or amazing mechanics. They're just weird. That's all. He does weird stuff and wins, in a freaking inconsistent manner (winning blizzcon after being completely absent post season 1? Give me a break).

On November 22 2013 18:35 GTPGlitch wrote:


Playing casually is the easiest way into mindgames.

For instance: "there's no way he can recover from this, i killed all his scvs at his third and nat and he has no other bases muahahaha"

Jokes on you, i have terrible macro, lemme get rid of that 3k/3k bank~

On November 22 2013 18:53 duckk wrote:



i would not doubt it, his actual ingame skill is far behind other top players IMO, but he plays smart and is able to win tournaments because of this.

On November 23 2013 03:57 awesomoecalypse wrote:


SC2 is not an apm demo, it is a strategy game. Winning by outthinking your opponent, mindgaming him, tricking him, etc. is just as valid as outmacroing or outmicroing him. This goes all the way back to BoxeR using "weird" strat after weird strat to fool his opponents (some of whom, like YellOw, had arguably superior mechanics, especially when it came to macro).

Bizarrely, only foreigners seem to have this idiotic "the only legitimate wins are those that come from superior mechanics" perspective, despite most foreigners having truly terrible mechanics. In Korea, where stellar mechanics are much more the norm, strategic play tends to get more respect.

As for sOs, my favorite thing about his win is that this'll be the last time we have to deal with him being seen as an "unheralded" player or a "faceless korean." He's a world champion, and every match he goes into from now on, people are going to know who he is and there will be fans rooting for him.

On November 23 2013 03:12 StarStruck wrote:


Not like we didn't know the caster's failure beforehand. Reoccurring themes man.

On November 23 2013 04:19 Yakikorosu wrote:
I think the significance of sOs's "weird" or "cheesy" play is overstated. Yeah, he did cannon rushes against Jaedong and proxy oracles against Terrans but there were only a few wins where those made a big difference, and in others they just put him behind. Watch his game 1 against Jaedong--his cannon rush failed badly, but he held on against overwhelming odds in the midgame with great control and took advantage of Jaedong's passivity in the lategame to crush him. He won that game DESPITE his gimmicky opening, not BECAUSE of it. Heck, the game where he succeeded with the biggest "mind game" against Jaedong--hiding a base on Whirlwind--was the only game he LOST.

There's a little bit of a double standard here with Protoss. When Mvp cheesed against opponents--Squirtle, anyone?--he was called a genius who would do anything it would take to win and would always pick the right builds. When sOs does a few cheeses suddenly he's an unworthy champion? That's silly.

On November 23 2013 03:57 awesomoecalypse wrote:


Bizarrely, only foreigners seem to have this idiotic "the only legitimate wins are those that come from superior mechanics" perspective, despite most foreigners having truly terrible mechanics. In Korea, where stellar mechanics are much more the norm, strategic play tends to get more respect.

On November 23 2013 04:08 The_Darkness wrote:


Well, this is just wrong. His in game skill, mechanics, etc. are right there with Rain and Dear, and pretty much better or as good as everyone else's. Watch any of his pvps. He is always a half step, half probe, half pylon ahead of his opponent. His mechanics in the early game of pvp are perfect. His mechanics in the other match up are better than pretty much everyone other than probably Rain and Dear and probably Parting. Somehow sOs got pigeonholed as just a wonky player, which is an incomplete description of him.

On November 23 2013 03:25 chairmobile wrote:

Sure, he plays to win with cheese and weirdness.
I did not say for a moment that he has no right to cheese, or that players should play for things other than winning.

I just said I don't find such wins impressive or entertaining, and that they aren't the mark of a champion like MVP (who occasionally does use cheese/weird builds, but not all the time and not as a replacement for mechanics/micro/tactics).

I suppose you prefer shitty games you can catch on silver NA to intense micro battles between players like Maru and Dear.
Makes perfect sense to me.

On November 23 2013 03:49 TaNaa wrote:
I actually never watched the last day of the finals, which is what I'm doing right now, and man crowd is cold to sOs after he beats Bomber. He basically asks them for cheers, and gets none. When he was asked about who he wants to play, his "vs. Zerg" comment yielded more cheers. Everyone was biased. sOs basically took out all these elite prolific nerds out from the shadow. But from now on he will have higher expectations, and as was seen from his interview and during game 1 vs. Bomber, his nerves did affect him negatively (i.e., x2 templar archives, sloppy play).

On November 22 2013 19:01 Dodgin wrote:


HEY bomber won an mlg one time or something