EPTRather, the failure that was the overall 2013 WCS format in telling a year long story.
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
Rather, the failure that was the overall 2013 WCS format in telling a year long story. | ||
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TheMagicianSC2
France74 Posts
Cmon sOs !! | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On November 23 2013 10:16 aZealot wrote: sOs and JD are not the point the OP is making though, I think. Rather, the failure that was the overall 2013 WCS format in telling a year long story. It's not just the format though. In this day and age and this game it is very hard to win these tournaments consistently. That's why a lot of us say on any given Sunday when it comes events and players need to catch on fire. They really aren't hard to predict once you've seen a guy play several games. | ||
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Roboroadkill
United States16 Posts
But sOs surprised me, like really surprised me on how well he out played Jaedong, and although i am not afan of sOs and still mad that he won and not Jaedong, must give credit where credit is do. Great Job sOs. | ||
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syroz
France249 Posts
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E.L.V.I.S
Belgium458 Posts
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etherealfall
Australia476 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On November 23 2013 10:05 Qwyn wrote: Excuse me? Jaedong is the hero of that story. And WCS had nothing to do with it! It's times like these that I...that I... The writer is Stuchio you say? Jaekong is Jaekong, and while it hurts to see him choke miserably in the finals/semis all the time, there is not much you can do about it. And no, Jaekong is not the hero of the story here. Because he choked in finals :3 | ||
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mage36
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glzElectromaster
Japan2474 Posts
This ain't broodwar, mechanics isn't THAT necessary. Look where Innovation is now. | ||
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RaiKageRyu
Canada4773 Posts
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fx9
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Destructicon
4713 Posts
On November 23 2013 03:57 awesomoecalypse wrote: SC2 is not an apm demo, it is a strategy game. Winning by outthinking your opponent, mindgaming him, tricking him, etc. is just as valid as outmacroing or outmicroing him. This goes all the way back to BoxeR using "weird" strat after weird strat to fool his opponents (some of whom, like YellOw, had arguably superior mechanics, especially when it came to macro). Bizarrely, only foreigners seem to have this idiotic "the only legitimate wins are those that come from superior mechanics" perspective, despite most foreigners having truly terrible mechanics. In Korea, where stellar mechanics are much more the norm, strategic play tends to get more respect. As for sOs, my favorite thing about his win is that this'll be the last time we have to deal with him being seen as an "unheralded" player or a "faceless korean." He's a world champion, and every match he goes into from now on, people are going to know who he is and there will be fans rooting for him. I think that's because foreigners, with their poorer mechanics often try and fail to cheese and/or mindgame Koreans and due to that they consider proper macro games where mechanics shine, to be the only legit way to play. But as you said, in Korea the players are so mechanically apt that, they need other ways to distinguish themselves. Some become outliners in terms of mechanics; like DRG or Innovation, being straight up faster, crisper and more precise, some focus on micro and control to pick apart and obliterate their opponents, like Maru, Life, PartinG, and some few players just try to always be on the cutting edge of innovation and out think their opponents, like NesTea of old and now sOs. Thing is all those play styles are viable, but only once you reach the highest level of play. A guy that can mind game one of the strongest mechanical players in the world deserves just as much recognition as a guy that can dance circles around him with micro. Ok, I went off topic a lot with that but, again, much respect for sOs, I hope we see good news regarding his team Woongjin and I hope we get to see him compete in more often as well. He is very entertaining and, unfortunately people fail to notice he is not just a 1 trick pony. I think it was at DH Bucharest, he played a crazy good long macro game vs JD himself on WW and nearly won, he definitely has strong mechanics. | ||
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simmeh
Canada2511 Posts
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On November 23 2013 10:16 aZealot wrote: sOs and JD are not the point the OP is making though, I think. Rather, the failure that was the overall 2013 WCS format in telling a year long story. How is this the fault of the WCS format? The only stories that would actually be a year-long would have been: Innovation coming back and winning Blizzcon after his minor slump compared to the beginning of 2013 where he looked unbeatable; and JaeDong winning who would have come a long way from getting destroyed in WCS AM S1 by Theognis (something a lot of people don't remember lol). | ||
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thoradycus
Malaysia3262 Posts
On November 23 2013 05:24 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I mean if it wasn't bad enough that he beat Jaedong, he left a guy hanging. Unforgivable! + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/WjesfJ5.jpg) oh dear my eyes LOL that was painful to see.. felt bad for him  But yea even though i was sad and angry after the finals Ive learned to appreciate his play more  | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On November 23 2013 19:44 ZAiNs wrote: How is this the fault of the WCS format? The only stories that would actually be a year-long would have been: Innovation coming back and winning Blizzcon after his minor slump compared to the beginning of 2013 where he looked unbeatable; and JaeDong winning who would have come a long way from getting destroyed in WCS AM S1 by Theognis (something a lot of people don't remember lol). While I did argue against him as well, but it's actually a combination of things. The current format certainly doesn't help transcend the players. Who do I say this? Because you have everyone playing in different qualifiers meaning they rarely get to play one another and even then you still only have a few kicks at the can (something I've used over and over again to drill it through people's heads). So in terms of exposure. This system sucks. In terms of meaningful games. This system is an abomination. We have to get rid of thee yee olde group stages and get all the players as long as they meet a certain criteria to not only get exposure but get to compete on a global scale and play against the best of the best. Meaning more games. They will still get to practice but they will all get to play in more meaningful games and build story lines with each individual player. Think of it as Pro League but with every player. Take a model like DH or MLG in terms of tours and think of it as one big tour. With all the tournaments happening and how many players can win yes it's next to impossible to tell a linear story that has natural flow, but there are ways to get rid of the jagged edges and make it flow a little more naturally. This is a premise I explored in vivid detail. On November 23 2013 11:00 Roboroadkill wrote: Jaedong is by far my favorite SC2 player, and them when this sOs guys comes up, i'm like "psh, Jaedong took down dear, sOs prepare to die, the tyrant is getting his trophy!" But sOs surprised me, like really surprised me on how well he out played Jaedong, and although i am not afan of sOs and still mad that he won and not Jaedong, must give credit where credit is do. Great Job sOs. This rage you guys speak of I believe is misdirected. I consider myself a Jaedong fan as well, but when I look at the ways he loses maps it is maddening because we can pin point the decisions that make you go, "What the hell does he think he's doing." It's funny because there was another EG player you'd question all the time when it came to their star sense and decision-making ability. Anyway, that tournament came full circle for Jaedong. HyperX, yep he did beat MC but in the end his struggles against Protoss continue. I liked my analogy of climbing K2 though and that's what was in front of him at Blizzcon. He made it to the peak by beating Dear, but that's not really the hard part considering it's only the halfway point (ro8). It's getting your ass safely down the mountain in the unpredictable weather. That's why not a lot of people make it out a live and that's what he was facing. Two Protoss players playing like behemoths kind of makes things difficult to win. | ||
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
Theres no way sOs would be a simple cheeser, uninteresting, unsatisfying, gimmicky kind of player or a worse player if you watch starcraft in Korea for the last 12 months or so. Yes starleagues & proleague. So yeah, after skills mattered, you guys talked about storytelling, hero and stuffs. I call bs | ||
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The_Darkness
United States910 Posts
On November 23 2013 23:35 Arceus wrote: I think the problem with most of the naysayers here is that they watch mostly WCS NA, DH & Jaedong. Theres no way sOs would be a simple cheeser, uninteresting, unsatisfying, gimmicky kind of player or a worse player if you watch starcraft in Korea for the last 12 months or so. Yes starleagues & proleague. So yeah, after skills mattered, you guys talked about storytelling, hero and stuffs. I call bs Exactly, this guy was a total beast in terms of execution, micro game planning, everything -- skills which were principally on display in Proleague. He was the best protoss for the first half / quarter of HoTS when Protoss were struggling in premier tournaments. After reading these comments and this article i went back and watched some of his games from earlier this year and the guy was simply ahead of his times. Doing things that were new and innovative (or gimmicky if you want to be negative). Now the meta has shifted and people go skytoss regularly, etc. | ||
ArTiFaKs
United States1229 Posts
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