Red Bull TLMC Results - Page 5

On November 14 2013 22:41 KingLeonardo wrote:
Can't believe Habitation Station got second place. Gold minerals at potential third base will be a huge problem in ZvP.

On November 14 2013 23:58 Barrin wrote:

I coulda sworn I looked everywhere :o

Apparently there are two finalist threads. It's funny that I didn't realize this because I was posting in both of them >.< Here's the other one (no judge names in OP). Playin' tricks on me ^^

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So I quickly judged all the map overviews that were shown publicly. Thoroughly unimpressed, I shall redirect my criticism back to the maps/mapmakers (and go back to making my own damn maps, of course). If this was a flop, it was the mapmaking community's fault and certainly not the judges'/system's/etc. (that's not to say they couldn't use more outside feedback). With 6/7 of the same finalists I would have chosen, I feel the judges did a fine job. I wouldn't even worry that much about giving feedback on the losing maps; a lot of the [fatal] mistakes are fairly elementary and most of these people should know better by now. If(when?) I get around to it I'd probably make quick work of highlighting the errors.

White Storm I would place above SB and maybe even JV. With how each player will, in the mid/late game, want to position their army on the high ground -- and how the high grounds are pretty close to each other combined with a slow reinforcement time if the rocks are down -- games might get pretty "unstable" with eventual lack of defender's reinforcement advantage (actually, only if the attacking player doesn't block his rocks). I do like the aggressive opportunities of the middle bases, but in the very late game, when the rocks are down and most bases are filled it might even get a little circle-syndromey (also "unstable"). If it weren't for that, I might even place it above Graveside and Synapse. Hell, maybe I would anyway.

Any of the judges want to highlight any problems with White Storm (own opinion and/or opinion that was brought up in discussion)? Perhaps it was for fear of neobowman winning two prizes? I doubt it was that tbh.

I nominate White Storm for unofficial honorable mention

On November 15 2013 05:21 Barrin wrote:
a "no" vote + no comment = jelly xD

Atually, as far as I'm concerned the "results" aren't over until we see NPR in the Red Bull Battle Grounds. That could've been hyped a little more :X Those pros are gonna have a real chance and reason to practice first.

NPR is gonna have a real chance to "make it" there.

On November 14 2013 22:41 KingLeonardo wrote:
Can't believe Habitation Station got second place. Gold minerals at potential third base will be a huge problem in ZvP.

On November 15 2013 07:36 SidianTheBard wrote:


I believe it was only so bad on Metalopolis because of where the gold base was located. Right in the middle with a ton of surface area so zerg was able to get great surrounds / runbys / counter attacks if you were trying to punish that base. With Habitation Station, it's tucked away, a lot more choked off (just a double wide ramp into the base so 2 force fields will cut it off completely) where as it'll probably be a lot more tempting to take the regular mineral 3rd because it's more open and you're expanding away from your opponent.

I could see just doing a warp prism drop on that gold base with 2 sentires & 2 zealots. Dropping in, forcefielding the ramp, warp in 4 more zealots and that base is pretty much dead. Not even gonna mention how blink stalkers would probably wreck that gold base (watchtower gives you a bit of vision as well so you can blink up without needed an obs) as well as pretty much anything else protoss. (Collosus, Templar, any type of air play)

I believe it's a very risky base to take considering how "safe" it actually looks. Then again, it's gold and feels safe due to the small ramp. Risk vs Reward yo.

I'd love to hear some more of your feedback on why you believe it would be so terrible. Please post again here or send me a PM.

On November 15 2013 20:59 Qikz wrote:
How on earth is a gold base more valuable for a terran and zerg than it is a toss?

Nexus cost minerals, gateways cost minerals and more importantly your most made unit in the entire world, zealots cost 100 minerals each.

On November 15 2013 21:54 KingLeonardo wrote:

Terran players can drop all of their mules on the gold minerals, so mule efficiency is increased while it is balanced based on normal mineral patches.

On November 15 2013 22:03 19Meavis93 wrote:


this is not true, this has been patched ages ago, mules mine just as much from gold minerals as they do from normal minerals.

On November 15 2013 20:51 KingLeonardo wrote:

I don't think the map itself is terrible. I like the layout, it's fresh. I just dislike the idea of gold bases. The problem stems from the fact that a gold base has more value for zerg/terran than for protoss. So a protoss player has to shut down this base, and he has to do it fast. We all know that protoss can't expect to shut it down if there is no commitment to it. So tech will be delayed which, against zerg, leads to all-in-ish situations. Now there are two possibilities. Either it is theoretically possible for the zerg to hold this all in and win the game. Or he isn't and will lose the game. The fact that this gold base is easily scouted leads to the situation wherein this gold base will always or never be taken based on the theoretical feasibility of shutting down the gold base of the zerg. All just because a protoss player will not benefit enough of taking the gold base himself (due to properties of the protoss race). I could be wrong, but it's how I see it.

On November 12 2013 20:15 Plexa wrote:
...the map brings back the same height natural-main which has been absent since Tal'Darim Altar.

On November 17 2013 21:38 nakam wrote:

This is actually one of the reasons I voted for this map. Also, didn't Bel'shir Beach come after Tal'Darim Altar?

On November 24 2013 04:11 steventcyh wrote:
Will it be a problem that the New Polaris Rhapsody is adapted from BW map Polaris Rhapsody? The copyright?