Depth of Micro - Page 15

On October 31 2013 09:27 Goldfish wrote:
Most micro in SC2 is one-dimensional and simply involves how fast you do it (splitting marines against banelings, etc).

On November 01 2013 01:09 XXXSmOke wrote:


Exactly. All of these "defenders" of the legacy of SC2 should be happy as can be because this could be a huge break through and make the game even way better, yet instead now they just bitch and moan saying O they said the Brood War word WAGHHHHH. Or even worse they feel like when we talk about BW were making SC2 feel like a "lesser" game. What is this kindergarten again????????

Did you guys think he was going to go pull videos of insane microabilty from Age of Empires? Derp.

On November 01 2013 01:10 ( bush wrote:
WE MUST HAVE a tournament with these settings, otherwise this work will be just another big waste of time, we can't just expect Blizzard to read this thread and apply major changes to the game.

On November 01 2013 02:01 Sissors wrote:
The previous huge breakthroughs like this also weren't huge breakthroughs in the end (like stuff with unit pathing). And did you maybe ever consider that other people have different opinions about what constitutes a better game? I do get you feel superior to everyone with a different opinion, but maybe I am against it because I don't think it will be an improvement to the game, with as pretty much only reason to implement it that it was also that way in BW.

I think it is really hard to argue vesicular's point, that it makes little sense that a viking needs a small amount of time to fire. What I consider even making less sense is that all air units should have 0 firing delay because they are air units. Why should it only be for air units and not ground units? Thats a completely arbitrary distinction.
Add that the video is basicly that BW was so much better, and that he didn't even comment on how he thinks it would affect balance and the meta game, and I am simply not that impressed.

On November 01 2013 02:09 Plansix wrote:

I want to see it just to see how upset people get when the colossi can just walk back and fire with no delay because it's turret doesn't move.

On November 01 2013 02:04 grunge wrote:
I don't think its about "balance" so much as it is about increasing the skill ceiling and opening a wider range for variety in play-styles.

On November 01 2013 01:06 lolfail9001 wrote:

Your post is great, but you misused word 'bug'. Neither of those are bugs. Oracle one is especially just a demonstration of overkill prevention.

On November 01 2013 02:10 maartendq wrote:I cringed when I saw those two tanks lose to a mere 5 or so zealots.

On November 01 2013 02:09 Plansix wrote:

I want to see it just to see how upset people get when the colossi can just walk back and fire with no delay because it's turret doesn't move.

On November 01 2013 02:21 Plexa wrote:

I think a point that has been lost from Lalush's posts is that enabling that kind of micro potential does very little to enhance the offensive capabilities of the colossus, but it GREATLY enhances the defensive capabilities which just does so much for the game in terms of excitement and build order optimisation.

On November 01 2013 02:36 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
The game is fine as it is. SC2's micro ceiling has yet to be reached (just take a look at the sc2 bot videos to see what I'm talking about).

The reason why BW had most of these micro mechanics is because it's an older game that required multiple key presses to do some actions.

SC2's engine is much more updated and effecient so you don't have to do things like move each scv to it's mining location which is tedious and boring and add's no value to the game.

On November 01 2013 01:55 DinosaurPoop wrote:

Most micro in SC2 is one-dimensional and simply involves how fast you do it (splitting marines against banelings, etc).

On November 01 2013 02:39 HaN- wrote:
Awesome video!

This is really depressing to imagine what SC2 could have been..

Blizzard won't listen unless we voice ourselves loud enough, look what is happening with D3, they really listened the community for Reaper of Souls, implementing almost everything people wanted.

On November 01 2013 01:58 Nirel wrote:
I have a feeling that if this video was made before SC2s lunch all of these changes would've been implemented, sadly after 2 expansions I find it very hard to believe they are going to change anything of value with the mechanics.

I’m not saying every change was unwarranted, or that every change was for the worse. Most of us can by now agree on the fact that MBS and unlimited unit selection turned out to be pretty good changes. But the fact of the matter is: we’re constantly settling for less and less without even putting up a real fight.

It disgusts me that every time I see someone on these forums bash down on a flaw in the game, all he’s ever met with is the same generic response: “Yes but Starcraft II is a different game, ’other’ types of micro/whatever might show up in the future as it develops and evolves”.

Who knows, those arguments might hold true, although I personally doubt they will. We’re entirely missing the point arguing in such a way though. Why in the first place should we be accepting that Starcraft II is regressing in to a more primitive form than its predecessor? Isn’t this, after all, the sequel, as opposed to the prequel?

How does Dustin Browder explain the fact that air units in SC2, the sequel, suddenly regressed and lost their ability to maneuver while firing? Is there perhaps a disturbance in the Khala?