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pmp10
3321 Posts
On October 25 2013 12:51 Slasher wrote: A certain Blizzard member deleted me off Skype today after showing him this video.  Was it some low ranking employee ignoring you for spamming or someone responsible for WCS that didn't want to hear criticism? This discussion is pretty pointless anyway. It's way too late to save American scene and too late for serious region-lock. | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
This little guy is such a baller | ||
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Slasher
United States1095 Posts
On October 25 2013 16:27 rename wrote: Well TBH I'd delete people from my skype who spam me with video interviews with ads too. Where is the transcript? edit: i understand creating transcripts requires more effort, and video ads generate more money - but if you really wanted to help that blizzard employee with player insight, you should not make them waste their time on your ads and videos and get them a text version. I understand people want transcripts of these video features and interviews, but at the time it's not feasible to do so, at least on the current GameSpot site. There is something new coming soon though that will make things easier. At the same time, I think watching a video on the subject shouldn't be too much different than reading people's thoughts. | ||
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Huragius
Lithuania1506 Posts
So when a female-only tournament/cup comes out, they say it's great because it will allow to grow female scene (even thou more skilled male players can't get the money they would deserve more) which is kinda true. It's a tricky question if we start to think if it's right or wrong. But when we talk about region lock, these same people say that there is absolutely no need for it because foreigners just need to practice more. While this WCS system hurts EU/NA scene a lot more, and it's harder for foreigners to catch up korens in skill (because SK has a lot more experience and infrastructure for professional gaming and only hope to compete is to go to train in korea) than females to catch up males (they train on same server with same tools, opportunities and psychological inferiority feeling they would feel with male based audience is very similar how foreigners feel inferior against koreans)- they don't want the region lock. I don't like bringing these points out, but this hypocrisy is kinda annoying. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On October 25 2013 12:51 Slasher wrote: A certain Blizzard member deleted me off Skype today after showing him this video. Ha ha ha. Oh lordy. On October 26 2013 00:56 Huragius wrote: All I want a little bit of consistency from majority of posters considering this issue. So when a female-only tournament/cup comes out, they say it's great because it will allow to grow female scene (even thou more skilled male players can't get the money they would deserve more) which is kinda true. It's a tricky question if we start to think if it's right or wrong. But when we talk about region lock, these same people say that there is absolutely no need for it because foreigners just need to practice more. While this WCS system hurts EU/NA scene a lot more, and it's harder for foreigners to catch up korens in skill (because SK has a lot more experience and infrastructure for professional gaming and only hope to compete is to go to train in korea) than females to catch up males (they train on same server with same tools, opportunities and psychological inferiority feeling they would feel with male based audience is very similar how foreigners feel inferior against koreans)- they don't want the region lock. I don't like bringing these points out, but this hypocrisy is kinda annoying. I rather not rehash the same old arguments. There is hypocrisy throughout the whole scene and if you want my take on the formats just read a few of my recent posts in my history for an explanation on why some of the things like region locking are bad. Good luck calling me a hypocrite because I never embraced female only tournaments. Newsflash: they get really shitty exposure. On October 25 2013 14:14 vesicular wrote: Per QXC's point, they should have a mini-WCS that lets you play into Challenger league. IE, several short weekend tournaments where you accumulate points with the highest point total being seeded into Challenger for that season. This allows Code B type players to be able to play more games, cream to rise to the top, less "luck of the draw" based, more for fans to watch and perhaps ends up giving us better quality Challenger games as a result. This could be done for all regions including Korea. We sort of had something like that. Remember MLG had it's own technical circuit. DH had it's own technical circuit as well. Look, it would really help if you bunch them altogether to create a formal world circuit and you don't regionalize them. All players and certified teams play in them. It's time to legitimize teams formally. On October 25 2013 14:41 Yhamm wrote: NA players ask for region lock and Korean think it's fine how it is and even ask more money. not really surprising to be honest  I like the idea to use ladder and that Oz wish there was more tournaments in Korea. It should come as no surprise. Everyone has their own agenda and that's why you have to take such opinions with some salt. In this case it's better to hear from people who have practically no stakes in the scene, but have good knowledge of it. | ||
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geokilla
Canada8240 Posts
On October 25 2013 12:51 Slasher wrote: A certain Blizzard member deleted me off Skype today after showing him this video. Rob Simpson? | ||
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Huragius
Lithuania1506 Posts
On October 26 2013 00:59 StarStruck wrote: Ha ha ha. Oh lordy. I rather not rehash the same old arguments. There is hypocrisy throughout the whole scene and if you want my take on the formats just read a few of my recent posts in my history for an explanation on why some of the things like region locking are bad. Good luck calling me a hypocrite because I never embraced female only tournaments. Newsflash: they get really shitty exposure. And I'm not calling you a hypocrite, because you are being consistent and rational. The issure I talked about was how people tend to judge things differently based on their feelings on different social groups. It would still be okay, since these questions are never just black or white but at least they could explain why they think so. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
I thought Rob Simpson was no longer with Blizzard & with Red Bull? Regardless it doesn't really matter. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On October 26 2013 01:10 Huragius wrote: And I'm not calling you a hypocrite, because you are being consistent and rational. The issure I talked about was how people tend to judge things differently based on their feelings on different social groups. It would still be okay, since these questions are never just black or white but at least they could explain why they think so. I never said you were calling me a hypocrite. I said, good luck to those trying to call me out as one though and yes I agreed with your point with regards to the hypocrisy whether it be, "I like my game more than something else so I'll shit on it;" "I don't like player x but I like player y;" "x race is stupid;" etc. It's an endless cycle and it's stupid. When it comes to formatting there are a lot of shades of gray but believe it or not there are a few ways to make everyone happy. | ||
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Dingodile
4133 Posts
Is this common or is this video an exception? | ||
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Prplppleatr
United States1518 Posts
On October 26 2013 01:50 Dingodile wrote: Do you really need a permission from a blizzard member for before you can share your stuff to the community (like this video)? Is this common or is this video an exception? I doubt it had anything to do with permissions (otherwise the video wouldnt be out) but was probably because of it's content and criticisms. as a viewer, i prefer the original system, but i dont think we will ever see it again because it certainly had its flaws | ||
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Copymizer
Denmark2087 Posts
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kellymilkies
Singapore1393 Posts
They should just have minimum slots allocation for Koreans who want to be there or have strict rules for it somehow to have a fixed number. Locking them out of the region completely is just unfair and retarded. It's like saying foreignors cant go to korea to train or imagine if they banned NA or EU players out of GSL, then we would never have got players like Naniwa. Sure it sucks that the brackets are harder, but that's why gaming is about. A challenge. To make it fair they should just do it like GSL. Foreignors have to play a qualification, there is an unwritten rule of maximum foreignors allowed per season etc. And do some rules like, each team can lock a maximum of 3 player in each region. So big teams needs to pick what players they want to lock to what region. (This concept needs to be worked on, I know some teams have an insane amount of players. You can either lock a maximum amount of korean, or share the slot with your foreign players etc) so teams have to make a real choice on what region should they play in. Since people are talking about legitimatizing eSports and want teams to take more responsibilities for their players (Which I completely agree) - they should. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
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Dingodile
4133 Posts
On October 26 2013 02:39 teddyoojo wrote: im so surprised, ppl that would be favoured by a region lock are in favour of a region lock and those who wouldnt, arent. ? ppl never change their opinions! Especially at internet. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On October 26 2013 00:56 Huragius wrote: All I want a little bit of consistency from majority of posters considering this issue. So when a female-only tournament/cup comes out, they say it's great because it will allow to grow female scene (even thou more skilled male players can't get the money they would deserve more) which is kinda true. It's a tricky question if we start to think if it's right or wrong. But when we talk about region lock, these same people say that there is absolutely no need for it because foreigners just need to practice more. While this WCS system hurts EU/NA scene a lot more, and it's harder for foreigners to catch up korens in skill (because SK has a lot more experience and infrastructure for professional gaming and only hope to compete is to go to train in korea) than females to catch up males (they train on same server with same tools, opportunities and psychological inferiority feeling they would feel with male based audience is very similar how foreigners feel inferior against koreans)- they don't want the region lock. I don't like bringing these points out, but this hypocrisy is kinda annoying. What if the female had just as many tournaments with the same prize pool? I don't think the issue is with region lock as that there isn't enough prize money and tournaments in Korea. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 26 2013 02:54 vthree wrote: What if the female had just as many tournaments with the same prize pool? I don't think the issue is with region lock as that there isn't enough prize money and tournaments in Korea. That is because they are not enough viewers in Korea. Its not about which region is the most "worthy" prize money. It about where the viewers are. | ||
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mrRoflpwn
United States2618 Posts
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Smackzilla
United States539 Posts
On October 25 2013 13:46 Plexa wrote: qxc's opinion on WCS was interesting and well thought out. Clever guy! Par for the course with QXC. I always like listening to him, Grubby and Nony. The perspectives and insights they come up with on a variety of subjects are often impress me with their perceptiveness and even creativity. They're the warrior-philosophers of starcraft. | ||
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shockaslim
United States1104 Posts
However, saying that there are too many Koreans is kind of a cop out. If you don't think you are able to beat the Koreans that are in WCS NA and EU, how in Gods name are you gonna beat the Koreans from WCS KR? | ||
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