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TLO, HerO, HuK, Demuslim, Suppy on WCS 2013 & 2014 - Page 2

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ChoDing
Profile Joined November 2009
United States740 Posts
October 25 2013 05:00 GMT
#21
region lock...

why u so scared? lol....

i agree but its just foreigners are so scared of koreans...
why dont u all practice more?
관광 since 2008. Master of Cheese. God of Heartbreak Ridge.
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-25 05:03:51
October 25 2013 05:01 GMT
#22
Qxc: more events please
Blizzard: we had 3 seasons this year, starting in March (when Hots released), with season finals. Next year, you get 3 seasons, period.

I don't want region lock to happen.. it will benefit foreigners in the sense they'll get deeper in tournaments and whatnot, but that's not going to fix the 10k viewership the WCS NA currently gets on the average day (THE AVERAGE day, don't come at me with playoff being at 30k, that's not what I'm referring to). I also don't want ALL the koreans to fight over gsl/osl.. there are way too many good players that a ro32 doesn't do them justice. I can visualize lots more retirements if a region lock happened
Refer to my post.
TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
October 25 2013 05:03 GMT
#23
HerO with the gosu english!
eeZe
Profile Joined April 2011
United States54 Posts
October 25 2013 05:03 GMT
#24
Interesting insights, thanks for the interviews.
Swiipii
Profile Joined January 2012
2195 Posts
October 25 2013 05:09 GMT
#25
On October 25 2013 14:00 ChoDing wrote:
region lock...

why u so scared? lol....

i agree but its just foreigners are so scared of koreans...
why dont u all practice more?

Because the practice you get on NA/EU ladder is not NEARLY as good at what you get on KR ladder?
vesicular
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1311 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-25 05:16:37
October 25 2013 05:14 GMT
#26
Per QXC's point, they should have a mini-WCS that lets you play into Challenger league. IE, several short weekend tournaments where you accumulate points with the highest point total being seeded into Challenger for that season. This allows Code B type players to be able to play more games, cream to rise to the top, less "luck of the draw" based, more for fans to watch and perhaps ends up giving us better quality Challenger games as a result. This could be done for all regions including Korea.
STX Fighting!
LockeTazeline
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
2390 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-25 05:16:47
October 25 2013 05:16 GMT
#27
On October 25 2013 13:46 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
Nearly unanimously, the players said they would like some type of region locking for 2014, including the Korean players.
That seems pretty misleading to me. I didn't see any of the Koreans say that they would like region locking. The only one to make reference was Hero, who said it was a system that benefited him and not foreigners (which isn't the same as asking for a region lock). The Koreans mostly complained about reductions in prize pool and increasingly limited options within Korea. Again, not the same as a region lock (and it's not unreasonable to expect that prize pool inside Korea won't change much under a region lock, if anything the amount of money earned by Koreans will decrease overall).

Hell, Hyun even said that he hope things don't change because it will screw over a bunch of Koreans.

qxc's opinion on WCS was interesting and well thought out. Clever guy!

My thoughts exactly.

Overall a pretty interesting video. Gives a good impression of how a variety of different AM and KR pros feel about WCS.
SCST
Profile Joined November 2011
Mexico1609 Posts
October 25 2013 05:32 GMT
#28
Great job exposing the truth, Slasher!

Not surprised to hear about that Skype incident - Blizzard no doubt wanting to continue living inside it's fantasy bubble that it can do no wrong and that WCS is perfect. Hopefully the bubble will pop before too much damage to the scene.

"The weak cannot forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the strong." - Gandhi
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
October 25 2013 05:41 GMT
#29
NA players ask for region lock and Korean think it's fine how it is and even ask more money. not really surprising to be honest

I like the idea to use ladder and that Oz wish there was more tournaments in Korea.
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Slasher
Profile Joined September 2007
United States1095 Posts
October 25 2013 05:58 GMT
#30
On October 25 2013 13:46 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
Nearly unanimously, the players said they would like some type of region locking for 2014, including the Korean players.
That seems pretty misleading to me. I didn't see any of the Koreans say that they would like region locking. The only one to make reference was Hero, who said it was a system that benefited him and not foreigners (which isn't the same as asking for a region lock). The Koreans mostly complained about reductions in prize pool and increasingly limited options within Korea. Again, not the same as a region lock (and it's not unreasonable to expect that prize pool inside Korea won't change much under a region lock, if anything the amount of money earned by Koreans will decrease overall).

Hell, Hyun even said that he hope things don't change because it will screw over a bunch of Koreans.

qxc's opinion on WCS was interesting and well thought out. Clever guy!

This is true, I've edited the description
Slasher
Profile Joined September 2007
United States1095 Posts
October 25 2013 05:59 GMT
#31
On October 25 2013 13:51 Pandain wrote:
Slasher was the Life answer focused around region-locking or WCS as a whole?

WCS as a whole, doesn't matter so much to him
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
October 25 2013 06:01 GMT
#32
hmm lots of work just to have someone remove you from skype because you don't want to be the one ending the relationship.

Also we are not scared, we just want the easy money and remove the competition foreigner style . Don't want a region lock mostly because some Koreans I like would probably retire. Since I don't see more tournaments happening in Korea next year. Kespa just did to much damage, even if the ones they caused now are unwillingly and a result of their first stance when sc2 was released.
gosublade
Profile Joined May 2011
632 Posts
October 25 2013 06:17 GMT
#33
Isnt the problem here that forigners just suck?
Not even death can save you from me.
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8760 Posts
October 25 2013 06:24 GMT
#34
On October 25 2013 13:06 stuchiu wrote:
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On October 25 2013 12:51 Slasher wrote:
A certain Blizzard member deleted me off Skype today after showing him this video.


Burned a bridge. True journalism reached.


#fuckslasher4trueEsportsJournalism.

I loved Life's last line lol.



On October 25 2013 15:17 gosublade wrote:
Isnt the problem here that forigners just suck?


The problem is an uneven playing field. Yes foreigners need to step it up, but that is not easily possible when Koreans have the best practice and training environment at their doorstep. While the EU and NA server are decent, it's child's play in comparison.

Apart from the residency region lock idea, what about if Blizzard actually opens another ladder realm? It worked during the HotS beta, why not make it more competitive that way? I remember Grubby praising the great practice he got during Beta because he also got to play against all the good Koreans. I think that would make a huge impact for the better with relatively little efforts needed by Blizzard.
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
Insoleet
Profile Joined May 2012
France1806 Posts
October 25 2013 06:28 GMT
#35
On October 25 2013 15:24 Doublemint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2013 13:06 stuchiu wrote:
On October 25 2013 12:51 Slasher wrote:
A certain Blizzard member deleted me off Skype today after showing him this video.


Burned a bridge. True journalism reached.


#fuckslasher4trueEsportsJournalism.

I loved Life's last line lol.



Show nested quote +
On October 25 2013 15:17 gosublade wrote:
Isnt the problem here that forigners just suck?


The problem is an uneven playing field. Yes foreigners need to step it up, but that is not easily possible when Koreans have the best practice and training environment at their doorstep. While the EU and NA server are decent, it's child's play in comparison.

Apart from the residency region lock idea, what about if Blizzard actually opens another ladder realm? It worked during the HotS beta, why not make it more competitive that way? I remember Grubby praising the great practice he got during Beta because he also got to play against all the good Koreans. I think that would make a huge impact for the better with relatively little efforts needed by Blizzard.


I agree

Getting into a GM ladder could let you connect to this international server, that'd be cool.
iMrising
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States1099 Posts
October 25 2013 06:34 GMT
#36
Im not sure if region lock will actually solve the problem... What if we put more events + region lock? That way there are more opportunities to get into the scene, more games, and there will be a better storyline with region lock.
Just a thought though, not saying its the best :\

or we should all just follow life's advice and throw wcs offboard :D
$O$ | soO
hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-25 06:48:07
October 25 2013 06:45 GMT
#37
The main cause for Koreans moving to other regions is because of the oversaturation of Korean players in the diminishing SC2 scene in Korea. Unlike USA, Korea is a small country and tends to pretty homogeneous in terms of their culture and interests (like the domination of LoL). Region lock would be nice for the foreigners, but that would suck for the Koreans who suffer from a lack of opportunities. QXC nailed it! You need more tournaments, so there will be more opportunities for struggling players to develop the momentum they need to compete at higher levels.

Yeah, there should be a soft region lock like the ladder, but we shouldn't forget about the Koreans either. I hope Blizzard finds the best compromise for everyone!
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Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
October 25 2013 06:53 GMT
#38
Very nicely balanced interview, thanks!
GatsbyTheGreat
Profile Joined October 2013
68 Posts
October 25 2013 07:09 GMT
#39
Open tournaments for everyone plz, everyone can participate in any WCS. Not this current semi-open thing, nor region lock thing.
rename
Profile Joined February 2012
Estonia329 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-25 07:34:22
October 25 2013 07:27 GMT
#40
On October 25 2013 12:51 Slasher wrote:
A certain Blizzard member deleted me off Skype today after showing him this video.


Well TBH I'd delete people from my skype who spam me with video interviews with ads too.
Where is the transcript?


edit: i understand creating transcripts requires more effort, and video ads generate more money - but if you really wanted to help that blizzard employee with player insight, you should not make them waste their time on your ads and videos and get them a text version.
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