• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 06:01
CEST 12:01
KST 19:01
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash8[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy13ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book20
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple6Aligulac acquired by REPLAYMAN.com/Stego Research6Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool49Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win4
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple Aligulac acquired by REPLAYMAN.com/Stego Research Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2) herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Season 4 announced for March-April StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) WardiTV Mondays World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open
Strategy
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
Mutation # 519 Inner Power The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone Mutation # 517 Distant Threat
Brood War
General
Pros React To: SoulKey vs Ample BW General Discussion Build Order Practice Maps [ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro24 Group F [ASL21] Ro24 Group E 🌍 Weekly Foreign Showmatches [ASL21] Ro24 Group B
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Darkest Dungeon
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9238 users

New Maps for Heart of the Swarm Balance Testing - Page 3

Forum Index > SC2 General
196 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 8 9 10 Next All
shin_toss
Profile Joined May 2010
Philippines2589 Posts
October 24 2013 05:21 GMT
#41
I love the tile set. Shak x Cloud <3
AKMU / IU
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 24 2013 05:24 GMT
#42
On October 24 2013 14:19 gobbledydook wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2013 13:35 Redrot wrote:
I like how the new map is nice and open, but I have no idea how on earth I'm supposed to scout for anything...


who needs to scout, double expand before gate/rax/pool please

Nah:
4 hatch gas pool as zerg;
CC->Rax->CC->CC as terran
Nexus first->gateway->Nexus->cybercore as toss.
Seems pretty good. I bet you can have zerglings/rines/zealots against 6 pool with those builds in time.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
October 24 2013 05:26 GMT
#43
Didn't MarineKing do like 3 CC before rax and 4 CC off 1 rax vs JYP on Atlantis Spacebear once (he was up by a couple of maps in fight club already if I remember right so it didn't really matter)? He lost the game to a 6 gate which was kind of funny but maybe we can see more crazy shit like that but serious
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
Monochromatic
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States998 Posts
October 24 2013 05:31 GMT
#44
On October 24 2013 14:21 shin_toss wrote:
I love the tile set. Shak x Cloud <3


Cloud Kingdom is Shakuras tileset...
MC: "Guys I need your support! iam poor make me nerd baller" __________________________________________RIP Violet
Radicalness
Profile Joined September 2011
United States271 Posts
October 24 2013 05:31 GMT
#45
New map looks fresh! Tile-set and expansions will both bring something new to the game and I don't really see any balance issues at first glance.
The Devil Terran - The Ambitious Terran - The Towel Terran - The Macro Master Terran - The Tyrant
Brian333
Profile Joined August 2010
657 Posts
October 24 2013 05:33 GMT
#46
I actually like this map and think it fits SC2's design better than a lot of the more traditional maps.
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8245 Posts
October 24 2013 05:48 GMT
#47
On October 24 2013 14:19 gobbledydook wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2013 13:35 Redrot wrote:
I like how the new map is nice and open, but I have no idea how on earth I'm supposed to scout for anything...


who needs to scout, double expand before gate/rax/pool please

It's doable for Protoss and Zergs. Not for Terran though.. There's literally no defense for Terrans. Protoss at the very least has a Photo Overcharge and Cannons.
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 05:53:23
October 24 2013 05:52 GMT
#48
God is this map a step in the wrong direction. Let's not give Protoss easy access to 4 bases, please!

Love the tileset, though.
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
ShowTheLights
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Korea (South)1706 Posts
October 24 2013 05:58 GMT
#49
Calm before the Storm..?!
•••Acer.MMA••• <> KT_Puzzle <> JinAir•GreenWings_CoCa <> CJ_herO <> Axiom CranK & Ryung <> IM_Seed <> IM_Squirtle <> le' ToD <> Innovation <> ROOT_CatZ <> inuh! <> Chobra <> SKT1_Fantasy
kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
October 24 2013 06:16 GMT
#50
I like the idea of this new map a lot. We'll have to see how it plays though, obviously.
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long." - Lao Tzu
EatThePath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3943 Posts
October 24 2013 06:20 GMT
#51
I hate to just parrot "bliz map, does suck", but....

This displays all the usual problems with blizzard map design and execution. Why are there no plates on the inbase ramp? I guess zerg is supposed to expand outside first so as not to get cannon rushed? Why make a rotational map if your explicit goal is positional balance?

Try to make 4 spawn enabled map, ends up huge with 20 bases. Noobest of mapmaking results.

I just don't ever understand what they are trying to achieve, or how they manage to miss the mark all the same.
Comprehensive strategic intention: DNE
Mahanaim
Profile Joined December 2012
Korea (South)1002 Posts
October 24 2013 06:27 GMT
#52
Map is Fugging big! XDXDXDXDXD
Love it.... though no rush distance is too great for warpgates haha...
Nerf warpgates! XD
Celebrating Starcraft since... a long time ago.
lorestarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1049 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 06:37:12
October 24 2013 06:34 GMT
#53
Not to my taste. Yuk. It's just so stinking huge...
SC2 Mapmaker
Insoleet
Profile Joined May 2012
France1806 Posts
October 24 2013 06:43 GMT
#54
Well Whirldwind is huge and its the best map over there... So I think this map can be very cool to play on.

There are obvious problem (one army pos to defend 5 bases, no plates in the inbase...) but I really want to see games on this map.
Sissors
Profile Joined March 2012
1395 Posts
October 24 2013 06:46 GMT
#55
Generally I always think people complain too much when maps are a bit different than what is normal, but seriously, wtf Blizzard? I also don't get how this is popular in the poll.

I already in general don't like 4p maps considering the importance of the random number generator: where scouting purely depends on pre-determined luck, but this one is ridiculous. A free natural, easiest to defend third ever.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
October 24 2013 06:59 GMT
#56
On October 24 2013 15:46 Sissors wrote:
Generally I always think people complain too much when maps are a bit different than what is normal, but seriously, wtf Blizzard? I also don't get how this is popular in the poll.

I already in general don't like 4p maps considering the importance of the random number generator: where scouting purely depends on pre-determined luck, but this one is ridiculous. A free natural, easiest to defend third ever.

It's popular because people don't realise how large the map is.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
ftm
Profile Joined August 2013
Australia47 Posts
October 24 2013 07:02 GMT
#57
alterzim amazing looking and great name.

starcraft jizz fest
"Hell...ain't a man of 'em could catch you on a vulture Jimmy"
ReMinD_
Profile Joined May 2013
Croatia846 Posts
October 24 2013 07:06 GMT
#58
I guess this will replace Whirlwind. And Akilon Wastes for the most turtliest map. This design doesn't encourage any new strategies, just promotes the existing ones. Oh well, mutas and drops gg.
Parting: Well, even I can make better maps than these.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
October 24 2013 07:09 GMT
#59
On October 24 2013 15:59 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2013 15:46 Sissors wrote:
Generally I always think people complain too much when maps are a bit different than what is normal, but seriously, wtf Blizzard? I also don't get how this is popular in the poll.

I already in general don't like 4p maps considering the importance of the random number generator: where scouting purely depends on pre-determined luck, but this one is ridiculous. A free natural, easiest to defend third ever.

It's popular because people don't realise how large the map is.

Are the dimensions listed somewhere? I didn't see them. I feel like if I visualize overlaying a map like Derelict Watcher on it the new map is like 1.5x as big cross spawns at least
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 08:34:31
October 24 2013 08:21 GMT
#60
Digging the new map, it reminds me of calm before the storm... which was protoss heaven so yeah. Besides I've always loved big maps. I'm a big fan of expanding aggressively when I'm ahead and doing lots of small attacks everywhere.

Can't wait to see the reactions I get after going 3 nexus before gateway
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 8 9 10 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Afreeca Starleague
10:00
Ro24 Group F
BeSt vs Leta
Queen vs Jaedong
Afreeca ASL 2074
StarCastTV_EN45
LiquipediaDiscussion
Replay Cast
09:00
KungFu Cup 2026 Week 2
CranKy Ducklings81
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech133
SortOf 128
StarCraft: Brood War
Bisu 1754
Flash 1204
Calm 341
actioN 282
Stork 214
EffOrt 173
Soma 167
PianO 152
Rush 141
Hyuk 133
[ Show more ]
Dewaltoss 104
Killer 70
Sharp 68
ToSsGirL 64
ggaemo 53
Soulkey 48
Shine 42
Shinee 33
sSak 31
scan(afreeca) 31
Hm[arnc] 23
soO 16
Noble 14
Sacsri 10
yabsab 10
JulyZerg 9
Terrorterran 6
Hyun 0
Dota 2
XaKoH 632
XcaliburYe452
canceldota177
League of Legends
Reynor42
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1826
shoxiejesuss738
byalli705
zeus220
edward7
Other Games
singsing710
ceh9708
Happy307
Sick197
crisheroes188
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick535
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 25
lovetv 9
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 36
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP3
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 3
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1211
Upcoming Events
Kung Fu Cup
59m
Replay Cast
13h 59m
The PondCast
23h 59m
OSC
1d 13h
RSL Revival
1d 23h
TriGGeR vs Cure
ByuN vs Rogue
Replay Cast
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Maru vs MaxPax
BSL
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
[ Show More ]
BSL
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
WardiTV Winter 2026
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
ASL Season 21
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W1
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.