On October 16 2013 12:28 tili wrote: Life is so dominant in bo7. He looks like a different player compared with bo3.
He watched a foreigner (albeit Nani is amazing) play a 5 game PvZ semi then beat him in a close Bo7. You're not making sense.
It was only close because life was overconfident and playing around. Had life tried his best it would have been a 4-0 bopping. Anyone who watched that series would know that. It only looked close because life let it look like that with his fooling around.
Naniwa only lost because he was overconfident. Had Naniwa tried his best it would have been a 4-0 bopping. Anyone who watches that series would know that. It only looked close because Naniwa let it look like this with his fooling around.
Because of course, imagine that a non-Korean would beat Life, impossible. In the end it doesn't even matter, if Life would have lost due to overconfidence he would still have lost because he couldn't handle it.
Lol believe what you want, but you obviously weren't watching the same games and didn't see life manner hatch two games in a row. You try to be cute by editing the quote, however your editing has no basis in reality as naniwa wasn't goofing around, whereas life goofing around is fact. Let me know when naniwa was throwing down manner nexi and goofing around.
On October 16 2013 12:28 tili wrote: Life is so dominant in bo7. He looks like a different player compared with bo3.
He watched a foreigner (albeit Nani is amazing) play a 5 game PvZ semi then beat him in a close Bo7. You're not making sense.
It was only close because life was overconfident and playing around. Had life tried his best it would have been a 4-0 bopping. Anyone who watched that series would know that. It only looked close because life let it look like that with his fooling around.
Naniwa only lost because he was overconfident. Had Naniwa tried his best it would have been a 4-0 bopping. Anyone who watches that series would know that. It only looked close because Naniwa let it look like this with his fooling around.
Because of course, imagine that a non-Korean would beat Life, impossible. In the end it doesn't even matter, if Life would have lost due to overconfidence he would still have lost because he couldn't handle it.
Lol believe what you want, but you obviously weren't watching the same games and didn't see life manner hatch two games in a row. You try to be cute by editing the quote, however your editing has no basis in reality as naniwa wasn't goofing around, whereas life goofing around is fact. Let me know when naniwa was throwing down manner nexi and goofing around.
Players at GSL level throw down manner hatches/nexi/cc's all the time, but it doesn't necessarily mean they're goofing around. They're just trying to get in their opponent's head.
The fact that Life dropped 2 games, and that game 4 came down to the wire and was really anyone's game, shows that the series was quite close and Naniwa gave Life a run for his money. Had Life had one less spore or hydra in game 4, we might have gone on to game 7, and game 7 might have ended with a Protoss victory.
I was legitimately excited, as that was one of the closest series we've ever had between a tip-top Korean pro and a foreigner. No need to downplay it by saying Life was messing around and not giving it his all. Naniwa is for real, and showed ballzy, Mvp-like nerves of steel when he went for that proxy against Hyun in their 5th game. Naniwa is the Stephano, or foreign hope, for Protoss.
However, congratulations to Life, his ability to abuse zerglings is impressive to watch. Hope to see him back in action in Code S soon.
On October 16 2013 12:28 tili wrote: Life is so dominant in bo7. He looks like a different player compared with bo3.
He watched a foreigner (albeit Nani is amazing) play a 5 game PvZ semi then beat him in a close Bo7. You're not making sense.
It was only close because life was overconfident and playing around. Had life tried his best it would have been a 4-0 bopping. Anyone who watched that series would know that. It only looked close because life let it look like that with his fooling around.
Naniwa only lost because he was overconfident. Had Naniwa tried his best it would have been a 4-0 bopping. Anyone who watches that series would know that. It only looked close because Naniwa let it look like this with his fooling around.
Because of course, imagine that a non-Korean would beat Life, impossible. In the end it doesn't even matter, if Life would have lost due to overconfidence he would still have lost because he couldn't handle it.
Lol believe what you want, but you obviously weren't watching the same games and didn't see life manner hatch two games in a row. You try to be cute by editing the quote, however your editing has no basis in reality as naniwa wasn't goofing around, whereas life goofing around is fact. Let me know when naniwa was throwing down manner nexi and goofing around.
There are two ways to read the manner nexi: Either it was what the previous poster said just a form of mindgames.
Or option B: Life thought he already won the game. Which means he seriously misread the game, twice. That doesn't mean he was easily winning, it means he was making a real mistake.
Can also be a bit of a combination of those two. But saying putting down manner nexi when your attack is getting slaughtered is a sign you are winning is a bit weird.
On October 16 2013 12:28 tili wrote: Life is so dominant in bo7. He looks like a different player compared with bo3.
He watched a foreigner (albeit Nani is amazing) play a 5 game PvZ semi then beat him in a close Bo7. You're not making sense.
It was only close because life was overconfident and playing around. Had life tried his best it would have been a 4-0 bopping. Anyone who watched that series would know that. It only looked close because life let it look like that with his fooling around.
Naniwa only lost because he was overconfident. Had Naniwa tried his best it would have been a 4-0 bopping. Anyone who watches that series would know that. It only looked close because Naniwa let it look like this with his fooling around.
Because of course, imagine that a non-Korean would beat Life, impossible. In the end it doesn't even matter, if Life would have lost due to overconfidence he would still have lost because he couldn't handle it.
Lol believe what you want, but you obviously weren't watching the same games and didn't see life manner hatch two games in a row. You try to be cute by editing the quote, however your editing has no basis in reality as naniwa wasn't goofing around, whereas life goofing around is fact. Let me know when naniwa was throwing down manner nexi and goofing around.
Can also be a bit of a combination of those two. But saying putting down manner nexi when your attack is getting slaughtered is a sign you are winning is a bit weird.
We'll never agree on this because we don't see the games the same way. Life was easily winning and then he got overconfident, cocky and started messing around. He started throwing down manner hatches and then basically stopped playing and just a-moved his army up the ramp repeatedly and kept getting ff and rocked by voids on the high ground.
This happened 3 games in a row. He lost the first manner hatch game, barely won the second manner hatch game and then in the last game he lost he stopped manner hatching, but instead just chose to throw his army away. He had a huge bank and broodlords morphing. Does he wait for them? No he decides to move his army up a ramp again to get ff and destroyed by col from high ground.
His overconfidence and misread of the games were a mistake. That is not in dispute. The two are mutually exclusive. He was easily winning up to that point, then decided to troll and stop playing seriously. The series showed that naniwa is good enough where life can't troll him like dragon does his opponents during his troll streams and I give naniwa credit for that. As much as I don't like naniwa, I do admit he is a good foreigner.
On October 16 2013 12:28 tili wrote: Life is so dominant in bo7. He looks like a different player compared with bo3.
He watched a foreigner (albeit Nani is amazing) play a 5 game PvZ semi then beat him in a close Bo7. You're not making sense.
To be fair, Nani got to study Hero vs Life bo5. I think his PvZ style is got figured out by life. Should have toss in some immortal sentry in or something lol.
Man are you kidding life was the only one able to stop the soul train back when the conductor was basically undefeated with it, parting use to tell his opponents in the lobby before the game would start that he was going to use it and they were still helpless lol
i dont know about the goofing, but it was good for me after a few months away from sc2 to see life hit the wall and still manage to climb it, heres hoping his form is on the up. Also Nani is a very emotional player and a try hard, i just dont see him goofing around very much....ever. Either way if Nani won id have been happy to see him win (always go for the foreigner) but imo despite his poor form recently and his age life is a far better player and should have won anyway. just my opinion.
On October 16 2013 16:07 FabledIntegral wrote: DT are insanely effective vs Life's style of play with counters everywhere. When there's a DT in the choke, roaches can't kill the zealot and runby. He could have warped in DTs as well instead of zealots which couldn't hold off the roaches and would eventually burrow and regen. I thought that was above and beyond Naniwa's biggest flaw in play throughout the entire series in the games he had DT Shrine and the games he didn't.
And if he brings an overseer this doesn't work. It's the reason why Naniwa lost Game 6 as he tried to transition to double stargate.
Except it does. It's a completely different style, they aren't different whatsoever. DTs are strong vs multipronged harassment, counter attacks, etc. Not easy to bring overseers constantly with those. Completely different when you're doing an entirely different strategy as in game 6, where he was going for a concentrated bust and not shooting for chaotic pulls in every direction.
On October 16 2013 12:28 tili wrote: Life is so dominant in bo7. He looks like a different player compared with bo3.
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P.S. Enjoyed the write up THanks!
Kiddin' right? 4-2 in bo7 with close games, nani coming from a really tense semifinal bo5.
Life road in brackteplay 3-0 bo5 and semifinals 3-0 bo5. He looks like a different player in bo5 compared to bo7 i think you meant to say.
Naniwa was never going to win the finals, and I say this as a Naniwa fan as well. He played insanely well, but I just don't see how Naniwa is on Life's level.
On October 16 2013 12:28 tili wrote: Life is so dominant in bo7. He looks like a different player compared with bo3.
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P.S. Enjoyed the write up THanks!
Kiddin' right? 4-2 in bo7 with close games, nani coming from a really tense semifinal bo5.
Life road in brackteplay 3-0 bo5 and semifinals 3-0 bo5. He looks like a different player in bo5 compared to bo7 i think you meant to say.
Naniwa was never going to win the finals, and I say this as a Naniwa fan as well. He played insanely well, but I just don't see how Naniwa is on Life's level.
I know Life was dominating hard during a period in WoL but in hotsLife has been mediocre (korean code s level mediocre that is) for quite a while now. Nobody was really talking about him until this IEM and now he is the best again all of the sudden?... I would say Naniwa winnig against Life in a bo7 is as likely as Naniwa winning vs Hyun after being 0-2 in a bo5.
Man I wanted this one for Nani. I really thought if Nani and Scarlett could make it to Blizzcon it would be one of the greatest stories to date. Now Nani still might make it and Scarlett is down and out.
On October 16 2013 12:28 tili wrote: Life is so dominant in bo7. He looks like a different player compared with bo3.
He watched a foreigner (albeit Nani is amazing) play a 5 game PvZ semi then beat him in a close Bo7. You're not making sense.
It was only close because life was overconfident and playing around. Had life tried his best it would have been a 4-0 bopping. Anyone who watched that series would know that. It only looked close because life let it look like that with his fooling around.
Naniwa only lost because he was overconfident. Had Naniwa tried his best it would have been a 4-0 bopping. Anyone who watches that series would know that. It only looked close because Naniwa let it look like this with his fooling around.
Because of course, imagine that a non-Korean would beat Life, impossible. In the end it doesn't even matter, if Life would have lost due to overconfidence he would still have lost because he couldn't handle it.
Lol believe what you want, but you obviously weren't watching the same games and didn't see life manner hatch two games in a row. You try to be cute by editing the quote, however your editing has no basis in reality as naniwa wasn't goofing around, whereas life goofing around is fact. Let me know when naniwa was throwing down manner nexi and goofing around.
Can also be a bit of a combination of those two. But saying putting down manner nexi when your attack is getting slaughtered is a sign you are winning is a bit weird.
We'll never agree on this because we don't see the games the same way. Life was easily winning and then he got overconfident, cocky and started messing around. He started throwing down manner hatches and then basically stopped playing and just a-moved his army up the ramp repeatedly and kept getting ff and rocked by voids on the high ground.
This happened 3 games in a row. He lost the first manner hatch game, barely won the second manner hatch game and then in the last game he lost he stopped manner hatching, but instead just chose to throw his army away. He had a huge bank and broodlords morphing. Does he wait for them? No he decides to move his army up a ramp again to get ff and destroyed by col from high ground.
His overconfidence and misread of the games were a mistake. That is not in dispute. The two are mutually exclusive. He was easily winning up to that point, then decided to troll and stop playing seriously. The series showed that naniwa is good enough where life can't troll him like dragon does his opponents during his troll streams and I give naniwa credit for that. As much as I don't like naniwa, I do admit he is a good foreigner.
What you say here is true, but a lot of these mistakes are the trade off for Life being such an aggressive zerg. He plays an impatient style, sometimes attacks at the wrong angle or time, it is to be expected.
That said, game 3 was a super throw, however game 1 was also a throw on Naniwa's part. The first game is also the most important game in any series.
But this IEM was insaaaaaane, so well commentated, so much spectacle for the semi adn final. Like WTF naniwa's run and Life craaaaazzy stances in his gameplay. I need to watch the other games, any advices or favorite games to watch?
Starcraft I am sorry for having doubting you. My life for Sc2! People should spread the word about those ZvP games, insane, unbelievable.
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