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On October 12 2013 04:30 ayaz2810 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 04:26 IAmHaunteR wrote:On October 12 2013 04:25 ayaz2810 wrote:
Why are so many pros quitting for LoL? I've played both LoL and Dota2, and Dota strikes me as a superior game in every regard. What makes LoL so much more appealing? Being relatively new to ARTS/MOBA/whatever, I don't understand why an (arguably) uglier, (arguably) easier game would be preferred by so many more people. Can someone enlighten me? Look at average LoL stream? LCS? Stream Viewers? What more do you need? LoL is FARRRRRR bigger than DotA 2. Exactly. I am asking WHY it is bigger. It seems to be an all around shittier game from what I can tell. What does it have that apparently Dota doesn't? I feel like I'm missing something. Which is why I'm asking. I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm just legitimately confused.
LoL is designed to be more fun than DotA. That's why it was conceived. No denying, no shady mechanics (like tower aggro switching, creep pulling, camp stacking, respawn blocking... all counter intuitive stuff that are of no interest of your average gamer), more skillshots (doesn't mean they are harder to use, they're just funner to use than directly clicking on the enemy champion), easier jungle, easier map vision control, spammable spells (in DotA, most champion will go out of mana after 2 spell casts and will have to rely on autoattacks and buying mana potions).
Personally I don't care about graphics, but I've heard many people complain about the very dark atmosphere in DotA2 (at least on the scourge side). They just prefer a lighter setting, and the LoL characters are appealing to girls, which is a huge advantage in marketability.
I'm not saying LoL is better than DotA2. Purely on the game development aspect, Valve has done an incredible job on DotA2. LoL has a shitty client, lacks a few core features like replays and client interactivity. But for pure gameplay and "fun factor", I think LoL has a better philosophy that's more appealing to your average gamer (and no, your average gamer doesn't enjoy playing Starcraft 2. The game is just way too difficult to be of any appeal, simply because it's not fun to lose over and over again to a friend who plays a bit more than you).
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Seems like any one who can't cut it in SC2 anymore move to LoL. That must be an incredibly easy game by comparison.
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On October 12 2013 04:29 Mephyss wrote:I hope he does well Poll: Which role will MKP play?Adc (17) 52% Mid (8) 24% Top (4) 12% Jungle (2) 6% Support (2) 6% 33 total votes Your vote: Which role will MKP play? (Vote): Top
(Vote): Jungle
(Vote): Mid
(Vote): Adc
(Vote): Support
He plays jungle. He's on imaqtpie's stream duoing with him
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Apparently people like to say it's easier because it's not as mechanically complex or as clunky as dota, but that certainly doesn't make it the shittier game. :s
(see, opinions)
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On October 12 2013 04:50 ProV1 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 04:29 Mephyss wrote:I hope he does well Poll: Which role will MKP play?Adc (17) 52% Mid (8) 24% Top (4) 12% Jungle (2) 6% Support (2) 6% 33 total votes Your vote: Which role will MKP play? (Vote): Top
(Vote): Jungle
(Vote): Mid
(Vote): Adc
(Vote): Support
He plays jungle. He's on imaqtpie's stream duoing with him
Quantic Prime =/= MKP.
He wouldn't play on NA anyway. He lives in Korea.
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On October 12 2013 04:48 LenfaL2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 04:30 ayaz2810 wrote:On October 12 2013 04:26 IAmHaunteR wrote:On October 12 2013 04:25 ayaz2810 wrote:
Why are so many pros quitting for LoL? I've played both LoL and Dota2, and Dota strikes me as a superior game in every regard. What makes LoL so much more appealing? Being relatively new to ARTS/MOBA/whatever, I don't understand why an (arguably) uglier, (arguably) easier game would be preferred by so many more people. Can someone enlighten me? Look at average LoL stream? LCS? Stream Viewers? What more do you need? LoL is FARRRRRR bigger than DotA 2. Exactly. I am asking WHY it is bigger. It seems to be an all around shittier game from what I can tell. What does it have that apparently Dota doesn't? I feel like I'm missing something. Which is why I'm asking. I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm just legitimately confused. LoL is designed to be more fun than DotA. That's why it was conceived. No denying, no shady mechanics (like tower aggro switching, creep pulling, camp stacking, respawn blocking... all counter intuitive stuff that are of no interest of your average gamer), more skillshots (doesn't mean they are harder to use, they're just funner to use than directly clicking on the enemy champion), easier jungle, easier map vision control, spammable spells (in DotA, most champion will go out of mana after 2 spell casts and will have to rely on autoattacks and buying mana potions). Personally I don't care about graphics, but I've heard many people complain about the very dark atmosphere in DotA2 (at least on the scourge side). They just prefer a lighter setting, and the LoL characters are appealing to girls, which is a huge advantage in marketability. I'm not saying LoL is better than DotA2. Purely on the game development aspect, Valve has done an incredible job on DotA2. LoL has a shitty client, lacks a few core features like replays and client interactivity. But for pure gameplay and "fun factor", I think LoL has a better philosophy that's more appealing to your average gamer (and no, your average gamer doesn't enjoy playing Starcraft 2. The game is just way too difficult to be of any appeal, simply because it's not fun to lose over and over again to a friend who plays a bit more than you).
Another phenomenal explanation. Thanks for taking the time!
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On October 11 2013 23:42 MiQ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2013 23:27 ReignSupreme. wrote:On October 11 2013 23:20 Complete wrote:On October 11 2013 23:18 opterown wrote:
I really dislike Riot/Tencent anti-competitive practices but don't really have much against LoL itself as a game. Which anti-competitive practices are you talking about? Riot contacting teams and saying that couldn't have both a Dota2 and a League of Legends team? Riot contacting organisations and saying they couldn't have both Dota2 and League of Legends running at the same event? Riot (or more specifically, Riot Pendragon) shutting down the #1 website for WC3 Dota, where maps are hosted to be downloaded etc and leaving a League of Legends advertisement in it's wake? Riot quite possibly stealing ideas for Dota heroes and utilising them for League of Legends?Take your pick... edit: I'd just like to point out i'm not bashing LoL here, merely replying to someone who asked a question (though i will admit to not being a fan of the game myself either) Thanks for the laugh!
Yeah, weren't all dota heroes created before lol existed?
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LoL? Worst decision ever. GG WP SC2
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On October 12 2013 03:22 Chiyosuke wrote:
This is really disappointing... I know MKP hasn't brought in any results recently and was knocked out of Code A recently as well, but he was still my favorite player :c I wish him luck in LoL, but hopefully he'll come back like Select did
So you don't wish MKP to have success in his new endeavor in a flourishing game, but instead you wish him to fail and be forced to return to a dying game? But he's your favorite player, so as long as he keeps playing the game just for your enjoyment, it's all good, right?
You can't say that you wish him luck but hope he returns. It doesn't work that way. If you truly wish him luck, then you wish him to be successful and you wish he enjoys his new career. Why would he return if he finds both of those things? It just doesn't make sense.
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On October 12 2013 04:52 Terminal wrote:
Apparently people like to say it's easier because it's not as mechanically complex or as clunky as dota, but that certainly doesn't make it the shittier game. :s
(see, opinions)
It's a shittier eSport because it's easier. If you enjoy playing an easier game, then that's up to you.
On October 12 2013 05:09 Dakure wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 03:22 Chiyosuke wrote:
This is really disappointing... I know MKP hasn't brought in any results recently and was knocked out of Code A recently as well, but he was still my favorite player :c I wish him luck in LoL, but hopefully he'll come back like Select did So you don't wish MKP to have success in his new endeavor in a flourishing game, but instead you wish him to fail and be forced to return to a dying game? But he's your favorite player, so as long as he keeps playing the game just for your enjoyment, it's all good, right? You can't say that you wish him luck but hope he returns. It doesn't work that way. If you truly wish him luck, then you wish him to be successful and you wish he enjoys his new career. Why would he return if he finds both of those things? It just doesn't make sense.
Maybe he is a fan of his SC2 play and would like to see him play in SC2 again? Shocking eh.
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[QUOTE]On October 12 2013 05:13 ZAiNs wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 12 2013 04:52 Terminal wrote:
Apparently people like to say it's easier because it's not as mechanically complex or as clunky as dota, but that certainly doesn't make it the shittier game. :s
(see, opinions)[/QUOTE]
It's a shittier eSport because it's easier. If you enjoy playing an easier game, then that's up to you.
What does that mean??????????????????????????
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On October 12 2013 04:52 Terminal wrote:
Apparently people like to say it's easier because it's not as mechanically complex or as clunky as dota, but that certainly doesn't make it the shittier game. :s
(see, opinions)
You can't compare a MOBA to an RTS. There are similar aspects that people may argue on, but overall they are completely different games that have their own set of skills that need to be developed. Just because a game isn't as "hard to play" as another certainly doesn't make it worse.
On October 12 2013 05:13 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 04:52 Terminal wrote:
Apparently people like to say it's easier because it's not as mechanically complex or as clunky as dota, but that certainly doesn't make it the shittier game. :s
(see, opinions) It's a shittier eSport because it's easier. If you enjoy playing an easier game, then that's up to you.
People like you are the reason why hatred exists between LoL and SC2. People argue that it's easier, but when you look at DotA which is another MOBA not too radiaclly different from LoL no one hates on that.
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I think MKP would be the first to tell you that he just wasn't competeting at the level he was accustomed to in 2011 so it's time to move on. As far as the scene dying. That's retarded. I've followed SC since SC1 and I can't remember a time where there wasn't great new players from all across the globe. The casual SC2 fan has never heard of Dear or soO, but they're in the Code S finals now and they are both super good. SC2 is a very dynamic game and it's always attracting new players and new sponsors. The naysayers are just people who want to see SC2 fail.
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On October 12 2013 05:22 Interstellar wrote:
I think MKP would be the first to tell you that he just wasn't competeting at the level he was accustomed to in 2011 so it's time to move on. As far as the scene dying. That's retarded. I've followed SC since SC1 and I can't remember a time where there wasn't great new players from all across the globe. The casual SC2 fan has never heard of Dear or soO, but they're in the Code S finals now and they are both super good. SC2 is a very dynamic game and it's always attracting new players and new sponsors. The naysayers are just people who want to see SC2 fail.
Why do people forget about how well MKP was doing even in late 2012?
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On October 12 2013 04:38 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 04:30 ayaz2810 wrote:On October 12 2013 04:26 IAmHaunteR wrote:On October 12 2013 04:25 ayaz2810 wrote:
Why are so many pros quitting for LoL? I've played both LoL and Dota2, and Dota strikes me as a superior game in every regard. What makes LoL so much more appealing? Being relatively new to ARTS/MOBA/whatever, I don't understand why an (arguably) uglier, (arguably) easier game would be preferred by so many more people. Can someone enlighten me? Look at average LoL stream? LCS? Stream Viewers? What more do you need? LoL is FARRRRRR bigger than DotA 2. Exactly. I am asking WHY it is bigger. It seems to be an all around shittier game from what I can tell. What does it have that apparently Dota doesn't? I feel like I'm missing something. Which is why I'm asking. I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm just legitimately confused. It's easier to play, it has plenty of fan service in his heroes roster ( lots of hyper sexualized women ), and it was the first free dota-like game to be re-released, so people jumped on it way before dota 2 was available. And because a LoL account is quite valuable, with how much grind you have to do to get heroes, runes and money for skins, people are attached to it and keep playing it.
Kayle, Leona, Jinx, Tristana, "hyper sexualized". rightttttttttttt...............
On October 12 2013 04:49 IamAnton wrote:
Seems like any one who can't cut it in SC2 anymore move to LoL. That must be an incredibly easy game by comparison.
Faker would like to have a word with you.
On October 12 2013 05:13 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 04:52 Terminal wrote:
Apparently people like to say it's easier because it's not as mechanically complex or as clunky as dota, but that certainly doesn't make it the shittier game. :s
(see, opinions) It's a shittier eSport because it's easier. If you enjoy playing an easier game, then that's up to you.
If you add juggling to Chess, with 5 second time limit to make a move, it would be way harder. I don't think anyone would enjoy playing it though.
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On October 12 2013 05:29 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 04:38 Noocta wrote:On October 12 2013 04:30 ayaz2810 wrote:On October 12 2013 04:26 IAmHaunteR wrote:On October 12 2013 04:25 ayaz2810 wrote:
Why are so many pros quitting for LoL? I've played both LoL and Dota2, and Dota strikes me as a superior game in every regard. What makes LoL so much more appealing? Being relatively new to ARTS/MOBA/whatever, I don't understand why an (arguably) uglier, (arguably) easier game would be preferred by so many more people. Can someone enlighten me? Look at average LoL stream? LCS? Stream Viewers? What more do you need? LoL is FARRRRRR bigger than DotA 2. Exactly. I am asking WHY it is bigger. It seems to be an all around shittier game from what I can tell. What does it have that apparently Dota doesn't? I feel like I'm missing something. Which is why I'm asking. I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm just legitimately confused. It's easier to play, it has plenty of fan service in his heroes roster ( lots of hyper sexualized women ), and it was the first free dota-like game to be re-released, so people jumped on it way before dota 2 was available. And because a LoL account is quite valuable, with how much grind you have to do to get heroes, runes and money for skins, people are attached to it and keep playing it. Kayle, Leona, Jinx, Tristana, "hyper sexualized". rightttttttttttt...............
LeBlanc, Syndra, Morgana....
League had the wisdom to try to appeal to all type of audiences.
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On October 12 2013 05:22 Interstellar wrote:
I think MKP would be the first to tell you that he just wasn't competeting at the level he was accustomed to in 2011 so it's time to move on. As far as the scene dying. That's retarded. I've followed SC since SC1 and I can't remember a time where there wasn't great new players from all across the globe. The casual SC2 fan has never heard of Dear or soO, but they're in the Code S finals now and they are both super good. SC2 is a very dynamic game and it's always attracting new players and new sponsors. The naysayers are just people who want to see SC2 fail.
Why would someone want to see sc2 fail. I imagine most people move onto something else when they lose interest in a hobby.
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On October 12 2013 05:29 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 04:38 Noocta wrote:On October 12 2013 04:30 ayaz2810 wrote:On October 12 2013 04:26 IAmHaunteR wrote:On October 12 2013 04:25 ayaz2810 wrote:
Why are so many pros quitting for LoL? I've played both LoL and Dota2, and Dota strikes me as a superior game in every regard. What makes LoL so much more appealing? Being relatively new to ARTS/MOBA/whatever, I don't understand why an (arguably) uglier, (arguably) easier game would be preferred by so many more people. Can someone enlighten me? Look at average LoL stream? LCS? Stream Viewers? What more do you need? LoL is FARRRRRR bigger than DotA 2. Exactly. I am asking WHY it is bigger. It seems to be an all around shittier game from what I can tell. What does it have that apparently Dota doesn't? I feel like I'm missing something. Which is why I'm asking. I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm just legitimately confused. It's easier to play, it has plenty of fan service in his heroes roster ( lots of hyper sexualized women ), and it was the first free dota-like game to be re-released, so people jumped on it way before dota 2 was available. And because a LoL account is quite valuable, with how much grind you have to do to get heroes, runes and money for skins, people are attached to it and keep playing it. Kayle, Leona, Jinx, Tristana, "hyper sexualized". rightttttttttttt...............
Hey, DotA has Queen of Pain, perhaps a bit Lina and Crystal Maiden.
LoL has how many already ?
Ahri, Akali, Caitlyn, Elise, Evelynn, Fiora, Irelia, Janna, Katarina, LeBlanc, Nidalee, Miss Fortune, Morgana, Shyvana, Sona, Vayne, Zyra, Jinx, etc etc etc ?
I mean comon, they had to redesign Sejuiani COMPLETLY because they got accused of sexism.
LoL is full of fan service to a disgusting point.
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On October 12 2013 05:42 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 05:22 Interstellar wrote:
I think MKP would be the first to tell you that he just wasn't competeting at the level he was accustomed to in 2011 so it's time to move on. As far as the scene dying. That's retarded. I've followed SC since SC1 and I can't remember a time where there wasn't great new players from all across the globe. The casual SC2 fan has never heard of Dear or soO, but they're in the Code S finals now and they are both super good. SC2 is a very dynamic game and it's always attracting new players and new sponsors. The naysayers are just people who want to see SC2 fail. Why would someone want to see sc2 fail. I imagine most people move onto something else when they lose interest in a hobby.
Talkin about the people who come here to say that the SC2 scene is dying and it's all about LOL and/or Dota. Of course it would seem like that to someone who only plays/watches LOL and Dota. They don't follow the scene.
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On October 12 2013 05:42 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 05:22 Interstellar wrote:
I think MKP would be the first to tell you that he just wasn't competeting at the level he was accustomed to in 2011 so it's time to move on. As far as the scene dying. That's retarded. I've followed SC since SC1 and I can't remember a time where there wasn't great new players from all across the globe. The casual SC2 fan has never heard of Dear or soO, but they're in the Code S finals now and they are both super good. SC2 is a very dynamic game and it's always attracting new players and new sponsors. The naysayers are just people who want to see SC2 fail. Why would someone want to see sc2 fail. I imagine most people move onto something else when they lose interest in a hobby.
Why do people harass Korean celebrities until they kill themselves? Why do people make death threats to people who make balance changes to COD? Some people are just assholes and like to ruin things.
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