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beg
991 Posts
Let's go to LoL, it's free and it's teamgames, so even if I suck it's might not be me the problem tbh, MOBAs are equally frustrating to play. at least to me. i'm still a noob but i've already gotten very frustrated. i often encounter situations that i feel can only be won by sick teamplay where every teammate knows exactly what's up and what to do or at least extremely good communication. of course that doesnt happen. i prefer sc2 1v1 because i'm alone. | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
However, I don't think 2v2 works well for competitive play. There are a number of rushes and feeding strategies that are extremely hard to stop and the professional metagame would degenerate to cheese vs cheese. Also, the map pool has always been terrible. At least nowadays most ladder maps have a natural expansion for each player, but they're still far from good. The maps may be relatively easy to fix, but the strategies are not. | ||
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DusTerr
2520 Posts
On October 09 2013 00:12 Scorch wrote: I'm a passionate 2v2 player myself. Laddering is great fun as it requires teamplay, communication and strategies for more matchups. The ladder has its fair share of cheese, but most of the time you can make a macro style work if you want. I've had hundreds of epic late games, incredible comebacks and close defenses. Discussing what went wrong, enjoying the latest victory or raging at imbalance is much more fun when you're on Skype with a friend. However, I don't think 2v2 works well for competitive play. There are a number of rushes and feeding strategies that are extremely hard to stop and the professional metagame would degenerate to cheese vs cheese. Also, the map pool has always been terrible. At least nowadays most ladder maps have a natural expansion for each player, but they're still far from good. The maps may be relatively easy to fix, but the strategies are not. to be fair 1v1 has always started as cheese vs cheese until the meta stabilizes. I think IF 2v2 ever had the chance to do so (tournaments, streams etc) we'd see the same happen. | ||
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Kheve
323 Posts
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
there are some matchups that simply CAN NEVER beat some others ... also 2n2 is boring to watch and frustrating play so ... no thanks also i read "oh most fun was teamgames bgh in bw" well STOP saying that it WAS say it was for you for me bgh was biggest crap on earth and after 20.000 1n1 broodwar games i still hade 2n2 there too | ||
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agahamsorr0w
Netherlands359 Posts
On October 08 2013 22:00 Pandemona wrote: It so isn't ;_; You can't defend certain pushes based on maps / map positions. Some cheese is so hard to defend it silly. It seems very luck based. You can get to a point where certain pushes hit you before you even have scouted around the map. I do like to play 2v2 with my friend, its the only reason we would play SC2. We played at a diamond level since WOL, we have never played it extensively. When we played alot it was about 10 games per week and most of that was stopped due to silly builds we couldn't hold. If specific 2v2 maps were made like 1v1 maps, i think 2v2 professionally could work, other than that it will just be a fun thing to watch pros do (imo) Chelsea fans to clever for this forum <333 What makes you think your definition of 2v2 balance applies for high level 2v2 when your highest league is diamond? The op is right. The game has been balanced a little bit more with reaper nerf and mothership core. Now a team with a protoss doesnt die to ling hellion every game. And as for the maps, some are more turtle favored, some are more aggression favored. Just because you're bad at scouting and/or reacting it doesnt mean the maps are imbalanced. | ||
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KapsyL
Sweden704 Posts
Oh and hi zepii  | ||
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Theswine
Sweden10 Posts
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
The problems that plague 1v1(critical mass units and terrible terrible damage specifically) are exacerbated in 2v2. | ||
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Mortal
2943 Posts
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PiPiGranDe
Canada70 Posts
i could also say that 4 gate is unbalanced too anything lower than platinum/diamond. i have beaten protech numerous times in the past in 2s and have also played 2s with him. i'm sure he will agree with me that 2s for the most part is balanced. just a little bit less than 1s. bottom line is: there is no build that beats everything or combination of races that beat others. everything in imbalanced in the 1s lower levels. 4 gate.. 6 pool... canon rush... maybe even 111.. but people still try to adjust to them. WHY NOT do the same in 2s where supposedly is imbalanced?? | ||
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watchlulu
Germany475 Posts
The only time I think it is OKAY to share resources is when one Player get's rushed out and loses his Hatch/Nexus/CC but still has workers left to rebuild it, just not enough money. I think 2v2 could be played professional but it's mostly really the maps they need to change and not the balance. If it's more enjoyable? I don't know... But I'd really appreciate to put in GM-league for teams as well. Edit: But I don't think it would be ever getting more popular than 1v1 though. | ||
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PiPiGranDe
Canada70 Posts
for high level play...if anything defensive macro play is one of the best strat out there (not best - there is not best) for lower levels though... cheesing is so easy. everybody panics and that's gg right there. cheese can win all the way up to lower-mid masters. but trust me.. at high masters... it's mostly macro play + aggressive harass play style (for the most part) | ||
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ref4
2933 Posts
Also SC2 is not free, DOTA2 and LoL are both free and reward players with shiny new skins and armors and stuff. When you get better at SC2 you just get a shinier icon. Like somebody mentioned before SC2 is very niched and exclusive, kind of like boxing. Whereas DOTA2 and LoL are like football (or soccer for you Americans) and basketball, extremely popular. Dream on but SC2 will never and can never surpass MOBAS in viewers due to the nature of these games. | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3489 Posts
I think this can easily be done in SC2 aswell. Biggest problem is that the 1v1 from every player perspective will be the most important, so 2v2's will take time from 1v1 experience. | ||
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Ender985
Spain910 Posts
Anyway, SC was designed to be an 1vs1 game, and since it is technically possible to play it in a team format, it does not really make much sense. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
one guy just sits on one base and builds a super high tech army with the massive gas he's getting and then just steamrolls the other team 1v2 with the aid of his ally's income. That would have to be removed to make 2v2 any where near competitive. | ||
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uh-oh
Hong Kong135 Posts
The time manpower investment will be immense to make the suitable maps alone. Whether this investment is worth it or not is anybody guess. I can see how 2v2 can appeal to casual gamers more, because of how you have your ally to blame instead of all the self burden you get from 1v1. Also a lot of the time, players' lack of skills are often overcome by their teamwork. My friend and I were both 1v1 plats and we've managed to beat 1v1 masters in 2v2 with some smart coordination. Even if 1v1 isnt accessible to casual players, 2v2s have the potential to be. And I don't see the harm in something like a blizzard 2v2 map contest that pools community resources to create interesting 2v2 maps that are used in some sort of 2v2 open tournament in blizzcon or something. On a side note, if blizzard decides to use a community map for ladder/wcs, do the mapmaker(s) get paid by blizzard? | ||
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Cuce
Turkey1127 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
It should only be used to dump some great amount of resources late game. Like, you have 1000 gas and you don't know what to do with it, send it to your protoss ally and he'll receive something like 500-750, which is already useful enough. But mutas and zealot-archons? Meh. | ||
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