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JustPassingBy
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shin_toss
Philippines2589 Posts
Dunno why people are only complaining about WCS, WCS EU is totally awesome. I have never seen so many up and coming players than right now! :D Its because it acts as the only big tournament (aside from dreamhack) and ofc koreans tend to go there. I agree on leaving GSL and OSL alone. well maybe GSL only. Coz WCS Kinda helped OSL in a way. But GSL should be a sperate league | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On October 02 2013 20:48 JustPassingBy wrote: Dunno why people are only complaining about WCS, WCS EU is totally awesome. I have never seen so many up and coming players than right now! :D I think Choya is mainly talking about WCS KR, which pretty much took over everything. It's only WCS now for them, and thats just bad. I really hope for the next year WCS goes a different path! | ||
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esdf
Croatia736 Posts
SC2 is artificial. You know those local footballers who constantly get mentioned by the press just to try and get their price up so they could be sold for 500k € more? That's SC2 for you, a sorry opportunity to monetize on the brand since they failed to do so with BW. Unlike BW, SC2 didn't go through the natural process of growing and getting people to like and love it, the game was forced upon everyone. BW has suffered a violent death at the hands of Blizzard and people got left with only 2 options, play SC2 or play a different game. Same goes for viewers. And if that wasn't enough Blizz even tried to kill off the amateur BW leagues, but fortunately failed at it. Fast forward to a year ago, Blizzard got even greedier in their attempts to monetize on SC2 with the WCS system and effectively forced other companies/leagues out of SC2 business. And what do we get out of it? Do we even have an uncontested best player in the world with WCS season finals? Isn't the point of season finals to get an uncontested best champion in the world fight his way through the very best of the best of other regions? Imo, season finals should be held once per year, not once every 3-4 months. Like Fionn wrote, this season crap gives no chance to fans to connect with players. My biggest remark to the WCS system is allowing non-residents of the region to nontheless participate in the qualifiers. That goes to every washed out, sub par KR player that probably wouldn't even get 100 points if he competed in Korea, even if he is MVP. It's beyond me why it is allowed for such has beens to effectively kill the local scenes. What good is a region qualifier when the "homegrown" players of the region get pushed aside for more marketable has beens? How does one even grow a scene by importing players from KR to compete as Europeans or Americans? | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
What if KeSPA would have stayed at BW and left SC2 to eSF? The scene wouldn't have to grow smaller then. Dunno if right, /discuss | ||
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
On October 02 2013 20:44 ReboundEU wrote: What's the first RTS linked in that list? O.o Is there an english version of that list out of curiosity? NM too slow reading the page. | ||
Destructicon
4713 Posts
On topic, I think Choya is absolutely right and the way Blizzard has gone about doing the WCS was a massive mistake. They should have left the GSL and OSL alone and introduced the WCS tournaments on top of that like they did last year. Then there would be much more prize money to go around and not as many people would retire. Weather Korea has enough interest in SC2 left to support 3 major leagues and 2 team leagues is a different discussion, but Blizzard didn't need to come and destabilize the scene by forcing it to shrink, that's the main point we are all getting at. There is nothing more to do this year regarding the WCS system, I just hope we've all made ourselves heard loud enough that Blizzard will make some important changes next year. I agree 100% with Fionn the region locking and additional grand slam seasonal finals are not helping. The lack of region lock only allows the Koreans to come in and take money back into their own ecosystem (and who will blame them when their own scene got fucked over in another way), while not contributing anything to our scene. And the grand slams are more like an exclusivity club anyway, they only reward the top 5-6 players per region and they don't build interesting storylines. | ||
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PassionPRO
Singapore35 Posts
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Slydie
1913 Posts
Other sports solve this by having strict limitations to the nations, even if 50 of the best 200 sprinters were from Jamaica, only 5 would go to the world championship. Maybe the only hope is that Korea gets so starved for money that they dont produce all the best players anymore?? | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On October 02 2013 20:42 KeksX wrote: Let's make it complete, shall we? This one includes games being played at home: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7E0Qofv.png) Starcraft 2 #17, BW not even in there. (NO shitting on BW. I LOVE IT! But the games are played completely different in Korea!) Thanks for that, the people saying WC3 is more popular than SC2 in Korea need to realise PC bangs aren't the mecca of gaming they once were. | ||
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NEEDZMOAR
Sweden1277 Posts
The only bad thing about WCS imo is the "non-competing" rule. WCS is a great thing, but it would be even better if other tournaments were allowed to compete with it. | ||
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forumtext
575 Posts
On October 02 2013 20:35 KeksX wrote: SC2 is #17. Still bad, but compare it to BW: it's not in there. Both are played completely different. Can't read Korean but if #17 is SC2 then #6 must be BW? Their name look very similar. | ||
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Bjarne
Germany192 Posts
WCS does NOT hurt Starcarft. Is ist Blizzards fault that their are so few little tournaments in Korea?? No. In Europe we have hundrets of cups and things. I watch everything broadcastet from WCS EU, much from WCS NA and some of WCS KR. And if I dont watch, its just because of broadcasting time and my job dont fit together. We need two little fixes: 1. As Fiona said: Stop the season Finals --> One big Event at the End of the year is enough. 2. LOCK THE F***ING REGIONS! | ||
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Caladan
Germany1238 Posts
On October 02 2013 20:49 esdf wrote: I've no idea why all you people seem so surprised. From the very beginning of SC2 it was a game that was hyped over the top in hopes it'd become what BW was with probably 0 understanding by Blizzard on what actually made BW great. The only thing SC2 has in common with BW is the name of Starcraft, and if it hadn't no one would care about the game some 12 months after its release. SC2 is artificial. You know those local footballers who constantly get mentioned by the press just to try and get their price up so they could be sold for 500k € more? That's SC2 for you, a sorry opportunity to monetize on the brand since they failed to do so with BW. Unlike BW, SC2 didn't go through the natural process of growing and getting people to like and love it, the game was forced upon everyone. BW has suffered a violent death at the hands of Blizzard and people got left with only 2 options, play SC2 or play a different game. Same goes for viewers. So true. Agree. People just see SC2 shrinking 1 year after WCS was introduced and now see a causal link, where there is none. | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On October 02 2013 20:50 Destructicon wrote: Would be nice if you guys could show us some of those lists in english for all of us who don't know Korean. Spoiler because it's long. + Show Spoiler + Translation of the top 10 of gamenote(PC Bang + At Home): 2 FIFA Online 3 1 League Of Legends 3 Sudden Attack 4 Lineage 5 Dungeon Fighter 6 Blade & Soul 7 Aion 8 Eos 9 World of Warcraft 10 Cyphers SC2 is #17. WC3 is #24 and BW is #26. So it's mostly MMORPGs, with the exception of the top 3. Looking at Gametrics now which is PC Bangs only 1 League Of Legends 2 FIFA Online 3 3 Sudden Attack 4 Aion 5 Blade & Soul 6 Lineage 7 Starcraft 8 Cyphers 9 Eos 10 Warcraft 3 SC is #18 on here. Hope that helps! If you want to see more on gamenot, see this link: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=ko&tl=en&u=http://www.gamenote.com/rank_ongame/?search_mode=weekly I think for gametrics there is a paywall for everything beyond #10... @esdf: Although you're wrong about what SC2 is, I agree that season finals shouldn't be that often. | ||
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Lorch
Germany3682 Posts
On October 02 2013 20:55 Bjarne wrote: I absolutly DISAGREE with Choya. WCS does NOT hurt Starcarft. Is ist Blizzards fault that their are so few little tournaments in Korea?? No. In Europe we have hundrets of cups and things. I watch everything broadcastet from WCS EU, much from WCS NA and some of WCS KR. And if I dont watch, its just because of broadcasting time and my job dont fit together. We need two little fixes: 1. As Fiona said: Stop the season Finals --> One big Event at the End of the year is enough. 2. LOCK THE F***ING REGIONS! I do agree that the lack of things like the korean weekly is not blizzards fault. However given as OSL/Code s were integrated into wcs combined with the fact that you cant run any premier tournaments during WCS I fail to see how OGN/GOM are supposed to do another tournament. Besides the fact that given that they are wcs partners I highly doubt blizz would even allow them to do so. | ||
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negativedge
4279 Posts
right now the atmosphere is just terrible everywhere. even just watching the GSL no longer feels like much of an event. GOM bought a big new studio just in time to have no one show up to it, and tastosis barely muster any excitement during the games. something has to change. | ||
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sashkata
Bulgaria3241 Posts
On October 02 2013 20:50 Destructicon wrote: On topic, I think Choya is absolutely right and the way Blizzard has gone about doing the WCS was a massive mistake. They should have left the GSL and OSL alone and introduced the WCS tournaments on top of that like they did last year. Then there would be much more prize money to go around and not as many people would retire. Why does everyone think the OSL would have continued? Seems pretty clear they were done with sc2 and the only reason they ran another one was, because Blizzard payed for it. And considering Blizzard were already paying GOM don't you think it's a bit much to ask them to pay for another tournament on top of that? I know they did it last year, but that doesn't mean we should expect from them to do so every year. And even if all 3 tournaments remained pretty much the same people would be in them. Sure it's more chance for the players, but I don't see that affecting retirements that much. | ||
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Littlesheep
Canada217 Posts
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m0ck
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