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Efane
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation49 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-02 12:07:02
October 02 2013 12:04 GMT
#121
And the most hilarious thing is that blizz will probably do all kinds of nasty e-sport stuff after LotV comes out... Make arcade or multiplayer free and start selling hats for banelings...
But then, again, who needs sc2 when they got all the hearthstone hype going... Yey for hearthstone wcs
And pray there is intelligent life somewhere out in space coz there is bugger all down here on Earth
Pirfiktshon
Profile Joined June 2013
United States1072 Posts
October 02 2013 12:04 GMT
#122
I think it's to late though. The WCS sprayed their stink onto the market and made sc2 one of the Least watched eSports which is very sad. I love Starcraft and have been a very loyal customer for 15 years and grew up watching what proscene i could watch when I coudl watch it. I feel starcraft had the Hayday when IPL was doing a constant stream that was AWESOME but that has been shutdown and it felt like the scene was growing then and now it feels like its Dying very quickly.... I just wish someone was out there to bring it back to life and start making it grow again.......
I don't want to Lose starcraft .....
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
October 02 2013 12:04 GMT
#123
On October 02 2013 20:25 Caladan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 20:17 lichter wrote:
Region lock with the current WCS system and I retire


Well, with like 5 pro gamers/teams/coaches retiring a day, that wouldn't make the world implode, would it?


I'd like for someone to replace me already, honestly :p
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Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
October 02 2013 12:06 GMT
#124
On October 02 2013 20:57 KeksX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 20:50 Destructicon wrote:
Would be nice if you guys could show us some of those lists in english for all of us who don't know Korean.

Spoiler because it's long.
+ Show Spoiler +
Translation of the top 10 of gamenote(PC Bang + At Home):

2 FIFA Online 3
1 League Of Legends
3 Sudden Attack
4 Lineage
5 Dungeon Fighter
6 Blade & Soul
7 Aion
8 Eos
9 World of Warcraft
10 Cyphers

SC2 is #17. WC3 is #24 and BW is #26.

So it's mostly MMORPGs, with the exception of the top 3.

Looking at Gametrics now which is PC Bangs only

1 League Of Legends
2 FIFA Online 3
3 Sudden Attack
4 Aion
5 Blade & Soul
6 Lineage
7 Starcraft
8 Cyphers
9 Eos
10 Warcraft 3

SC is #18 on here.

Hope that helps!

If you want to see more on gamenot, see this link:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=ko&tl=en&u=http://www.gamenote.com/rank_ongame/?search_mode=weekly
I think for gametrics there is a paywall for everything beyond #10...



@esdf:
Although you're wrong about what SC2 is, I agree that season finals shouldn't be that often.


Thanks for the post, though one thing isn't clear, in your 2nd list you put Starcraft at 7 and also noted SC is at #18, thats a bit confusing, which SC is where? Is SC2 on 7 or is it in 18?
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dani`
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands2402 Posts
October 02 2013 12:06 GMT
#125
On October 02 2013 20:46 ReboundEU wrote:
Damn.... never considered LoL a RTS..maybe because i am not a big fan of it.

Thx for the answer btw!

More likely because LoL is not actually an RTS game
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
October 02 2013 12:07 GMT
#126
On October 02 2013 21:04 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 20:25 Caladan wrote:
On October 02 2013 20:17 lichter wrote:
Region lock with the current WCS system and I retire


Well, with like 5 pro gamers/teams/coaches retiring a day, that wouldn't make the world implode, would it?


I'd like for someone to replace me already, honestly :p

you're sure negative lately aren't you.
Moderatorlickypiddy
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-02 12:09:25
October 02 2013 12:07 GMT
#127
On October 02 2013 21:07 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 21:04 lichter wrote:
On October 02 2013 20:25 Caladan wrote:
On October 02 2013 20:17 lichter wrote:
Region lock with the current WCS system and I retire


Well, with like 5 pro gamers/teams/coaches retiring a day, that wouldn't make the world implode, would it?


I'd like for someone to replace me already, honestly :p

you're sure negative lately aren't you.


I'm just trying to fit in

edit: honestly it's reached the point where news hardly affects me, even the Woongjin news. I only really care about the community so all this bad news finds me... disinterested. I still love the game though I just shitpost on TL a lot
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3682 Posts
October 02 2013 12:07 GMT
#128
On October 02 2013 21:04 Pirfiktshon wrote:
I think it's to late though. The WCS sprayed their stink onto the market and made sc2 one of the Least watched eSports which is very sad. I love Starcraft and have been a very loyal customer for 15 years and grew up watching what proscene i could watch when I coudl watch it. I feel starcraft had the Hayday when IPL was doing a constant stream that was AWESOME but that has been shutdown and it felt like the scene was growing then and now it feels like its Dying very quickly.... I just wish someone was out there to bring it back to life and start making it grow again.......
I don't want to Lose starcraft .....


Name one game besides dota and lol and at some time of the year fighting games that, on average, gets more. I could name you like 10 esports that get less viewers and are smaller than star 2. It's not dieing and you won't loose it, jesus people I feel like all of you joined esports with star 2 and are now butthurt that the game no longer has the number 1 spot.
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
October 02 2013 12:08 GMT
#129
This is what happens with monopolies, WCS needs to be broken up.
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
October 02 2013 12:08 GMT
#130
On October 02 2013 21:06 Destructicon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 20:57 KeksX wrote:
On October 02 2013 20:50 Destructicon wrote:
Would be nice if you guys could show us some of those lists in english for all of us who don't know Korean.

Spoiler because it's long.
+ Show Spoiler +
Translation of the top 10 of gamenote(PC Bang + At Home):

2 FIFA Online 3
1 League Of Legends
3 Sudden Attack
4 Lineage
5 Dungeon Fighter
6 Blade & Soul
7 Aion
8 Eos
9 World of Warcraft
10 Cyphers

SC2 is #17. WC3 is #24 and BW is #26.

So it's mostly MMORPGs, with the exception of the top 3.

Looking at Gametrics now which is PC Bangs only

1 League Of Legends
2 FIFA Online 3
3 Sudden Attack
4 Aion
5 Blade & Soul
6 Lineage
7 Starcraft
8 Cyphers
9 Eos
10 Warcraft 3

SC is #18 on here.

Hope that helps!

If you want to see more on gamenot, see this link:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=ko&tl=en&u=http://www.gamenote.com/rank_ongame/?search_mode=weekly
I think for gametrics there is a paywall for everything beyond #10...



@esdf:
Although you're wrong about what SC2 is, I agree that season finals shouldn't be that often.


Thanks for the post, though one thing isn't clear, in your 2nd list you put Starcraft at 7 and also noted SC is at #18, thats a bit confusing, which SC is where? Is SC2 on 7 or is it in 18?


Starcraft = BW, SC2 = SC2! So, for PC Bangs, BW is #7. But when you consider games being played at home, it's #26 while SC2 is #17! Sorry for the confusion.
forumtext
Profile Joined September 2011
575 Posts
October 02 2013 12:09 GMT
#131
All I wanted was some new units and HD 2D/3D graphic. Why do you have to reinvent the wheel?
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
October 02 2013 12:11 GMT
#132
WCS is just an excuse for the private organizations to cut investment on a financially unviable game.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4120 Posts
October 02 2013 12:12 GMT
#133
It's honestly time blizzard does like valve and riot do. Pump some serious cash into the competitive scene. They were too greedy on this one and this is their downfall ...
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
October 02 2013 12:13 GMT
#134
On October 02 2013 21:07 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 21:07 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On October 02 2013 21:04 lichter wrote:
On October 02 2013 20:25 Caladan wrote:
On October 02 2013 20:17 lichter wrote:
Region lock with the current WCS system and I retire


Well, with like 5 pro gamers/teams/coaches retiring a day, that wouldn't make the world implode, would it?


I'd like for someone to replace me already, honestly :p

you're sure negative lately aren't you.


I'm just trying to fit in

edit: honestly it's reached the point where news hardly affects me, even the Woongjin news. I only really care about the community so all this bad news finds me... disinterested. I still love the game though I just shitpost on TL a lot

Now I know!
Moderatorlickypiddy
Caladan
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany1238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-02 12:13:50
October 02 2013 12:13 GMT
#135
On October 02 2013 21:12 RouaF wrote:
It's honestly time blizzard does like valve and riot do. Pump some serious cash into the competitive scene. They were too greedy on this one and this is their downfall ...


Cash won't help. The problem is the lack of viewers and thus lack of sponsors and thus teams/players retiring. -_-
And why is there a lack of viewers? Because the game is shit.

User was warned for this post
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-02 12:13:57
October 02 2013 12:13 GMT
#136
On October 02 2013 21:04 Pirfiktshon wrote:
I think it's to late though. The WCS sprayed their stink onto the market and made sc2 one of the Least watched eSports which is very sad. I love Starcraft and have been a very loyal customer for 15 years and grew up watching what proscene i could watch when I coudl watch it. I feel starcraft had the Hayday when IPL was doing a constant stream that was AWESOME but that has been shutdown and it felt like the scene was growing then and now it feels like its Dying very quickly.... I just wish someone was out there to bring it back to life and start making it grow again.......
I don't want to Lose starcraft .....


"One of the least watched eSports" being what, the 2nd or 3rd most watched internationally?
AdministratorBreak the chains
shin_toss
Profile Joined May 2010
Philippines2589 Posts
October 02 2013 12:14 GMT
#137
On October 02 2013 20:49 esdf wrote:

Unlike BW, SC2 didn't go through the natural process of growing and getting people to like and love it, the game was forced upon everyone. BW has suffered a violent death at the hands of Blizzard and people got left with only 2 options, play SC2 or play a different game. Same goes for viewers. And if that wasn't enough Blizz even tried to kill off the amateur BW leagues, but fortunately failed at it.

?


This.

BW was like

unpopular -> played by people > koreans fell in love with it > companies sponsor it > esport

while SC2

force it as esport > played by people > players/fans lose passion as time passes > unpopular

total reverse :|
AKMU / IU
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12387 Posts
October 02 2013 12:15 GMT
#138
On October 02 2013 20:22 Everlong wrote:
It's the same fucking mistake like with the global economy. Let's merge everything into a single giant global shit that we can control. Turns out it doesn't work again. Oh well.. At least in video-game industry the results don't have such harsh impact on people's lives.

trust me, global economy benefits out number the flaws in every way possible
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Everlong
Profile Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1973 Posts
October 02 2013 12:16 GMT
#139
On October 02 2013 21:15 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 20:22 Everlong wrote:
It's the same fucking mistake like with the global economy. Let's merge everything into a single giant global shit that we can control. Turns out it doesn't work again. Oh well.. At least in video-game industry the results don't have such harsh impact on people's lives.

trust me, global economy benefits out number the flaws in every way possible


I'm not sure I quite understeand you, could you elaborate? Kinda getting offtopic here, so I don't know, we might as well leave it..
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
October 02 2013 12:16 GMT
#140
On October 02 2013 21:08 KeksX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 21:06 Destructicon wrote:
On October 02 2013 20:57 KeksX wrote:
On October 02 2013 20:50 Destructicon wrote:
Would be nice if you guys could show us some of those lists in english for all of us who don't know Korean.

Spoiler because it's long.
+ Show Spoiler +
Translation of the top 10 of gamenote(PC Bang + At Home):

2 FIFA Online 3
1 League Of Legends
3 Sudden Attack
4 Lineage
5 Dungeon Fighter
6 Blade & Soul
7 Aion
8 Eos
9 World of Warcraft
10 Cyphers

SC2 is #17. WC3 is #24 and BW is #26.

So it's mostly MMORPGs, with the exception of the top 3.

Looking at Gametrics now which is PC Bangs only

1 League Of Legends
2 FIFA Online 3
3 Sudden Attack
4 Aion
5 Blade & Soul
6 Lineage
7 Starcraft
8 Cyphers
9 Eos
10 Warcraft 3

SC is #18 on here.

Hope that helps!

If you want to see more on gamenot, see this link:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=ko&tl=en&u=http://www.gamenote.com/rank_ongame/?search_mode=weekly
I think for gametrics there is a paywall for everything beyond #10...



@esdf:
Although you're wrong about what SC2 is, I agree that season finals shouldn't be that often.


Thanks for the post, though one thing isn't clear, in your 2nd list you put Starcraft at 7 and also noted SC is at #18, thats a bit confusing, which SC is where? Is SC2 on 7 or is it in 18?


Starcraft = BW, SC2 = SC2! So, for PC Bangs, BW is #7. But when you consider games being played at home, it's #26 while SC2 is #17! Sorry for the confusion.


Ok thank you for the post and for the clarification again. It would be nice now to see some actual numbers, not percentages, of how many people play those respective games both at home and at PC bangs and also have the total added up to get a bigger picture, though I might be asking for too much now.

Anyway, hopefully at least the bad news stops pouring in.
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