• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 08:08
CET 14:08
KST 22:08
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners10Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11
Community News
StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!44$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage4Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly2Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win10
StarCraft 2
General
Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon! RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Where's CardinalAllin/Jukado the mapmaker? [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions [BSL21] RO32 Group Stage
Tourneys
[ASL20] Grand Finals [BSL21] RO32 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO32 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
The Games Industry And ATVI US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Learning my new SC2 hotkey…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1063 users

Choya says team will continue, criticizes WCS system (TIG)

Forum Index > SC2 General
500 CommentsPost a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 24 25 26 Next All
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33479 Posts
October 02 2013 10:20 GMT
#1
Source: ThisIsGame.com

FXO's leader Lee "Choya" Hyung Seop came to the GomTV studio to make his position on FXO's decision to stop sponsoring the team known. "There's about half a year left on our contract with FXO, but they informed us that they would be stopping their support of the team." said head coach Choya. "FXO has judged that StarCraft2 is no longer useful for giving their company exposure, and informed us they are ceasing their support because StarCraft is not doing well."

"We respect FXO's decision, and we are grateful for all their support . Even before FXO's sponsorship, I ran the team with my personal funds and funds from team league. There will be no problem in continuing to operate the team."

Choya pointed to Blizzard's WCS system as the reason for the StarCraft 2's lack of success. "Before WCS opened, Blizzard gathered all the head coaches of the teams together and said it would provide steady prize money to players and give them opportunities, but in the end nothing has changed. We were told at the time the OSL and GSL would be left alone and WCS would be run as a higher league, but it's become a situation where it's just WCS. Because of WCS, all the foundations have crumbled. If things go like this again next year, then StarCraft 2 teams will be hurt even more."

FXO players will stay with the team regardless of the sponsor's choice. The continued exitstence of the team will depend upon next year's WCS plan. The Dota2 players will stay with the team until the end of the year, and depending on the situation roster changes or selling the Dota2 team will be considered.
Facebook Twitter Reddit
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33479 Posts
October 02 2013 10:21 GMT
#2
Interesting opinion from the Korean scene!
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
GizmoPT
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal3040 Posts
October 02 2013 10:24 GMT
#3
we need some savior of eSports
Snipers Promod & Micro Arena Creator in SC2 Arcade - Portuguese Community Admin for SC2, HotS and Overwatch - Ex-Portugal SC2 Team Manager, Ex- Copenhagen Wolves and Grow uP Gaming Manager in SC2. Just Playing games now!
Rickyvalle21
Profile Joined July 2012
United States320 Posts
October 02 2013 10:25 GMT
#4
I agree with Choya. The WCS system is terrible.
people say practice is perfect but if nothing is perfect whats the point in practicing?
TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1978 Posts
October 02 2013 10:26 GMT
#5
SC2 is going down in flames, atleast in korea.
Total Annihilation Zero
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
October 02 2013 10:27 GMT
#6
On October 02 2013 19:24 GizmoPT wrote:
we need some savior of eSports


We need some (up)magic and go(go) through this tough time or we'll not have the luxury to enjoy SC2 in Korea anymore.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
October 02 2013 10:28 GMT
#7
Aww man... :I
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
October 02 2013 10:28 GMT
#8
Typo in the last paragraph. exitstence -> existence.

Don't think the Dota 2 team is in much danger, considering how hard they're dominating the Korean scene.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 02 2013 10:29 GMT
#9
To many teams, not enough money to go around. WCS or no, there are just to many Korean teams for the scene to support right now.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
October 02 2013 10:30 GMT
#10
--- Nuked ---
playerboy345
Profile Joined May 2013
Netherlands194 Posts
October 02 2013 10:31 GMT
#11
On October 02 2013 19:25 Rickyvalle21 wrote:
I agree with Choya. The WCS system is terrible.


This, I've pretty much stopped watching sc2 because of WCS.
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-02 10:32:42
October 02 2013 10:32 GMT
#12
On October 02 2013 19:29 Plansix wrote:
To many teams, not enough money to go around. WCS or no, there are just to many Korean teams for the scene to support right now.

This is obviously Blizzard's fault for not having infinite money.

IMO, the biggest problem was that there weren't enough small tournaments outside of GSL and more recently OSL either for teams to make a quick buck or to attract new blood. The Korean scene was doomed to stagnate or crumble form the start.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9407 Posts
October 02 2013 10:32 GMT
#13
Because of WCS, all the foundations have crumbled. If things go like this again next year, then StarCraft 2 teams will be hurt even more."


He is clearly confusing causation with correlation. WCS didn't ruin Sc2. I think it likely wouldn't have been even worse without WCS, but eventually if there are not enough viewers watching Sc2, then the size of this scene couldn't be sustained. Thus, it has to be scaled down.

SoFrOsTy
Profile Joined December 2011
United States525 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-02 10:34:39
October 02 2013 10:33 GMT
#14
WCS may not be everyone's favorite thing, but it isn't related to the downfall of the scene. Starcraft was on the decline for a while.

Edit - Part of me hopes SC 2 loses a ton of popularity, and becomes and underground scene the way BW was in its early stages. Let it grow naturally instead of forcing it, or let it die if it is supposed to die.
Julyzerg ftw
TigerKarl
Profile Joined November 2010
1757 Posts
October 02 2013 10:34 GMT
#15
WCS needs to be stopped as long as there's at least a handful of people still caring about Starcraft Esports. Otherwise the game is dead before the next expansion is released. Dead as Brood War never was, that is.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24591 Posts
October 02 2013 10:34 GMT
#16
On October 02 2013 19:32 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
Because of WCS, all the foundations have crumbled. If things go like this again next year, then StarCraft 2 teams will be hurt even more."


He is clearly confusing causation with correlation. WCS didn't ruin Sc2. I think it likely wouldn't have been even worse without WCS, but eventually if there are not enough viewers watching Sc2, then the size of this scene couldn't be sustained. Thus, it has to be scaled down.



I think you're quite right actually.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
October 02 2013 10:35 GMT
#17
glad to see we're adopting the reddit method of sensationalized thread titles.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12500 Posts
October 02 2013 10:37 GMT
#18
before wcs, there were tonnes more smaller cups, I don't even know how many still exist now
is KSL still running?
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
October 02 2013 10:37 GMT
#19
On October 02 2013 19:35 Dodgin wrote:
glad to see we're adopting the reddit method of sensationalized thread titles.


Isn't that the title on TIG? I see the letters WCS at least! Seems reasonable to use the same.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
October 02 2013 10:37 GMT
#20
i like how he says starcraft got hurt by wcs and it will be hurt even more if wcs stays this way and you make "WCS Ruined SC2" out of it. oO
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
1 2 3 4 5 24 25 26 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Korean Royale
12:00
Group Stage 1 - Group A
WardiTV785
Rex124
LiquipediaDiscussion
Sparkling Tuna Cup
10:00
Weekly #112
Krystianer vs SKillousLIVE!
CranKy Ducklings145
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 191
Reynor 184
Rex 124
MindelVK 25
StarCraft: Brood War
firebathero 8578
Sea 5660
GuemChi 1024
actioN 636
Pusan 553
Barracks 432
Hyun 279
hero 228
Last 207
Mini 178
[ Show more ]
Soma 144
PianO 112
Larva 104
Backho 71
ToSsGirL 62
Noble 10
scan(afreeca) 9
HiyA 7
Dota 2
Gorgc10794
singsing2230
Pyrionflax256
XcaliburYe219
Dendi192
Counter-Strike
x6flipin705
edward58
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor234
Other Games
B2W.Neo1156
Sick153
goatrope82
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 14
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3039
• WagamamaTV511
League of Legends
• Jankos2128
Upcoming Events
LAN Event
1h 52m
ByuN vs Zoun
TBD vs TriGGeR
Clem vs TBD
IPSL
4h 52m
JDConan vs WIZARD
WolFix vs Cross
BSL 21
6h 52m
spx vs rasowy
HBO vs KameZerg
Cross vs Razz
dxtr13 vs ZZZero
OSC
9h 52m
OSC
19h 52m
Wardi Open
22h 52m
Replay Cast
1d 9h
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 22h
Replay Cast
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
[ Show More ]
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Solar vs Zoun
MaxPax vs Bunny
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Classic vs Creator
Cure vs TriGGeR
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
herO vs Gerald
ByuN vs SHIN
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
BSL 21
6 days
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 21 Points
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.