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Choya says team will continue, criticizes WCS system (TIG)

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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33505 Posts
October 02 2013 10:20 GMT
#1
Source: ThisIsGame.com

FXO's leader Lee "Choya" Hyung Seop came to the GomTV studio to make his position on FXO's decision to stop sponsoring the team known. "There's about half a year left on our contract with FXO, but they informed us that they would be stopping their support of the team." said head coach Choya. "FXO has judged that StarCraft2 is no longer useful for giving their company exposure, and informed us they are ceasing their support because StarCraft is not doing well."

"We respect FXO's decision, and we are grateful for all their support . Even before FXO's sponsorship, I ran the team with my personal funds and funds from team league. There will be no problem in continuing to operate the team."

Choya pointed to Blizzard's WCS system as the reason for the StarCraft 2's lack of success. "Before WCS opened, Blizzard gathered all the head coaches of the teams together and said it would provide steady prize money to players and give them opportunities, but in the end nothing has changed. We were told at the time the OSL and GSL would be left alone and WCS would be run as a higher league, but it's become a situation where it's just WCS. Because of WCS, all the foundations have crumbled. If things go like this again next year, then StarCraft 2 teams will be hurt even more."

FXO players will stay with the team regardless of the sponsor's choice. The continued exitstence of the team will depend upon next year's WCS plan. The Dota2 players will stay with the team until the end of the year, and depending on the situation roster changes or selling the Dota2 team will be considered.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33505 Posts
October 02 2013 10:21 GMT
#2
Interesting opinion from the Korean scene!
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
GizmoPT
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal3040 Posts
October 02 2013 10:24 GMT
#3
we need some savior of eSports
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Rickyvalle21
Profile Joined July 2012
United States320 Posts
October 02 2013 10:25 GMT
#4
I agree with Choya. The WCS system is terrible.
people say practice is perfect but if nothing is perfect whats the point in practicing?
TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1978 Posts
October 02 2013 10:26 GMT
#5
SC2 is going down in flames, atleast in korea.
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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
October 02 2013 10:27 GMT
#6
On October 02 2013 19:24 GizmoPT wrote:
we need some savior of eSports


We need some (up)magic and go(go) through this tough time or we'll not have the luxury to enjoy SC2 in Korea anymore.
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UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
October 02 2013 10:28 GMT
#7
Aww man... :I
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
October 02 2013 10:28 GMT
#8
Typo in the last paragraph. exitstence -> existence.

Don't think the Dota 2 team is in much danger, considering how hard they're dominating the Korean scene.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 02 2013 10:29 GMT
#9
To many teams, not enough money to go around. WCS or no, there are just to many Korean teams for the scene to support right now.
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Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
October 02 2013 10:30 GMT
#10
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playerboy345
Profile Joined May 2013
Netherlands194 Posts
October 02 2013 10:31 GMT
#11
On October 02 2013 19:25 Rickyvalle21 wrote:
I agree with Choya. The WCS system is terrible.


This, I've pretty much stopped watching sc2 because of WCS.
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-02 10:32:42
October 02 2013 10:32 GMT
#12
On October 02 2013 19:29 Plansix wrote:
To many teams, not enough money to go around. WCS or no, there are just to many Korean teams for the scene to support right now.

This is obviously Blizzard's fault for not having infinite money.

IMO, the biggest problem was that there weren't enough small tournaments outside of GSL and more recently OSL either for teams to make a quick buck or to attract new blood. The Korean scene was doomed to stagnate or crumble form the start.
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Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9415 Posts
October 02 2013 10:32 GMT
#13
Because of WCS, all the foundations have crumbled. If things go like this again next year, then StarCraft 2 teams will be hurt even more."


He is clearly confusing causation with correlation. WCS didn't ruin Sc2. I think it likely wouldn't have been even worse without WCS, but eventually if there are not enough viewers watching Sc2, then the size of this scene couldn't be sustained. Thus, it has to be scaled down.

SoFrOsTy
Profile Joined December 2011
United States525 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-02 10:34:39
October 02 2013 10:33 GMT
#14
WCS may not be everyone's favorite thing, but it isn't related to the downfall of the scene. Starcraft was on the decline for a while.

Edit - Part of me hopes SC 2 loses a ton of popularity, and becomes and underground scene the way BW was in its early stages. Let it grow naturally instead of forcing it, or let it die if it is supposed to die.
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TigerKarl
Profile Joined November 2010
1757 Posts
October 02 2013 10:34 GMT
#15
WCS needs to be stopped as long as there's at least a handful of people still caring about Starcraft Esports. Otherwise the game is dead before the next expansion is released. Dead as Brood War never was, that is.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24593 Posts
October 02 2013 10:34 GMT
#16
On October 02 2013 19:32 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
Because of WCS, all the foundations have crumbled. If things go like this again next year, then StarCraft 2 teams will be hurt even more."


He is clearly confusing causation with correlation. WCS didn't ruin Sc2. I think it likely wouldn't have been even worse without WCS, but eventually if there are not enough viewers watching Sc2, then the size of this scene couldn't be sustained. Thus, it has to be scaled down.



I think you're quite right actually.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
October 02 2013 10:35 GMT
#17
glad to see we're adopting the reddit method of sensationalized thread titles.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12629 Posts
October 02 2013 10:37 GMT
#18
before wcs, there were tonnes more smaller cups, I don't even know how many still exist now
is KSL still running?
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DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
October 02 2013 10:37 GMT
#19
On October 02 2013 19:35 Dodgin wrote:
glad to see we're adopting the reddit method of sensationalized thread titles.


Isn't that the title on TIG? I see the letters WCS at least! Seems reasonable to use the same.
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Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
October 02 2013 10:37 GMT
#20
i like how he says starcraft got hurt by wcs and it will be hurt even more if wcs stays this way and you make "WCS Ruined SC2" out of it. oO
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