• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 23:52
CEST 05:52
KST 12:52
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star2Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists14[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers11Maestros of the Game 2 announced32026 GSL Tour plans announced13Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid22
StarCraft 2
General
Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool 2026 GSL Tour plans announced MaNa leaves Team Liquid Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding 2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) SEL Doubles (SC Evo Bimonthly)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 522 Flip My Base The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss Mutation # 520 Moving Fees
Brood War
General
[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star Data needed RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site Gypsy to Korea ASL21 General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro16 Group C [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [ASL21] Ro16 Group A
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Reappraising The Situation T…
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1652 users

Choya says team will continue, criticizes WCS system (TIG)

Forum Index > SC2 General
500 CommentsPost a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 24 25 26 Next All
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33592 Posts
October 02 2013 10:20 GMT
#1
Source: ThisIsGame.com

FXO's leader Lee "Choya" Hyung Seop came to the GomTV studio to make his position on FXO's decision to stop sponsoring the team known. "There's about half a year left on our contract with FXO, but they informed us that they would be stopping their support of the team." said head coach Choya. "FXO has judged that StarCraft2 is no longer useful for giving their company exposure, and informed us they are ceasing their support because StarCraft is not doing well."

"We respect FXO's decision, and we are grateful for all their support . Even before FXO's sponsorship, I ran the team with my personal funds and funds from team league. There will be no problem in continuing to operate the team."

Choya pointed to Blizzard's WCS system as the reason for the StarCraft 2's lack of success. "Before WCS opened, Blizzard gathered all the head coaches of the teams together and said it would provide steady prize money to players and give them opportunities, but in the end nothing has changed. We were told at the time the OSL and GSL would be left alone and WCS would be run as a higher league, but it's become a situation where it's just WCS. Because of WCS, all the foundations have crumbled. If things go like this again next year, then StarCraft 2 teams will be hurt even more."

FXO players will stay with the team regardless of the sponsor's choice. The continued exitstence of the team will depend upon next year's WCS plan. The Dota2 players will stay with the team until the end of the year, and depending on the situation roster changes or selling the Dota2 team will be considered.
Facebook Twitter Reddit
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33592 Posts
October 02 2013 10:21 GMT
#2
Interesting opinion from the Korean scene!
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
GizmoPT
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal3040 Posts
October 02 2013 10:24 GMT
#3
we need some savior of eSports
Snipers Promod & Micro Arena Creator in SC2 Arcade - Portuguese Community Admin for SC2, HotS and Overwatch - Ex-Portugal SC2 Team Manager, Ex- Copenhagen Wolves and Grow uP Gaming Manager in SC2. Just Playing games now!
Rickyvalle21
Profile Joined July 2012
United States320 Posts
October 02 2013 10:25 GMT
#4
I agree with Choya. The WCS system is terrible.
people say practice is perfect but if nothing is perfect whats the point in practicing?
TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1979 Posts
October 02 2013 10:26 GMT
#5
SC2 is going down in flames, atleast in korea.
Total Annihilation Zero
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
October 02 2013 10:27 GMT
#6
On October 02 2013 19:24 GizmoPT wrote:
we need some savior of eSports


We need some (up)magic and go(go) through this tough time or we'll not have the luxury to enjoy SC2 in Korea anymore.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
October 02 2013 10:28 GMT
#7
Aww man... :I
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
October 02 2013 10:28 GMT
#8
Typo in the last paragraph. exitstence -> existence.

Don't think the Dota 2 team is in much danger, considering how hard they're dominating the Korean scene.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 02 2013 10:29 GMT
#9
To many teams, not enough money to go around. WCS or no, there are just to many Korean teams for the scene to support right now.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
October 02 2013 10:30 GMT
#10
--- Nuked ---
playerboy345
Profile Joined May 2013
Netherlands194 Posts
October 02 2013 10:31 GMT
#11
On October 02 2013 19:25 Rickyvalle21 wrote:
I agree with Choya. The WCS system is terrible.


This, I've pretty much stopped watching sc2 because of WCS.
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-02 10:32:42
October 02 2013 10:32 GMT
#12
On October 02 2013 19:29 Plansix wrote:
To many teams, not enough money to go around. WCS or no, there are just to many Korean teams for the scene to support right now.

This is obviously Blizzard's fault for not having infinite money.

IMO, the biggest problem was that there weren't enough small tournaments outside of GSL and more recently OSL either for teams to make a quick buck or to attract new blood. The Korean scene was doomed to stagnate or crumble form the start.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9433 Posts
October 02 2013 10:32 GMT
#13
Because of WCS, all the foundations have crumbled. If things go like this again next year, then StarCraft 2 teams will be hurt even more."


He is clearly confusing causation with correlation. WCS didn't ruin Sc2. I think it likely wouldn't have been even worse without WCS, but eventually if there are not enough viewers watching Sc2, then the size of this scene couldn't be sustained. Thus, it has to be scaled down.

SoFrOsTy
Profile Joined December 2011
United States525 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-02 10:34:39
October 02 2013 10:33 GMT
#14
WCS may not be everyone's favorite thing, but it isn't related to the downfall of the scene. Starcraft was on the decline for a while.

Edit - Part of me hopes SC 2 loses a ton of popularity, and becomes and underground scene the way BW was in its early stages. Let it grow naturally instead of forcing it, or let it die if it is supposed to die.
Julyzerg ftw
TigerKarl
Profile Joined November 2010
1757 Posts
October 02 2013 10:34 GMT
#15
WCS needs to be stopped as long as there's at least a handful of people still caring about Starcraft Esports. Otherwise the game is dead before the next expansion is released. Dead as Brood War never was, that is.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24602 Posts
October 02 2013 10:34 GMT
#16
On October 02 2013 19:32 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
Because of WCS, all the foundations have crumbled. If things go like this again next year, then StarCraft 2 teams will be hurt even more."


He is clearly confusing causation with correlation. WCS didn't ruin Sc2. I think it likely wouldn't have been even worse without WCS, but eventually if there are not enough viewers watching Sc2, then the size of this scene couldn't be sustained. Thus, it has to be scaled down.



I think you're quite right actually.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
October 02 2013 10:35 GMT
#17
glad to see we're adopting the reddit method of sensationalized thread titles.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12703 Posts
October 02 2013 10:37 GMT
#18
before wcs, there were tonnes more smaller cups, I don't even know how many still exist now
is KSL still running?
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
October 02 2013 10:37 GMT
#19
On October 02 2013 19:35 Dodgin wrote:
glad to see we're adopting the reddit method of sensationalized thread titles.


Isn't that the title on TIG? I see the letters WCS at least! Seems reasonable to use the same.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
October 02 2013 10:37 GMT
#20
i like how he says starcraft got hurt by wcs and it will be hurt even more if wcs stays this way and you make "WCS Ruined SC2" out of it. oO
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
1 2 3 4 5 24 25 26 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
Code For Giants Cup #29
Liquipedia
BSL
19:00
RO32 Group D
StRyKeR vs rasowy
Artosis vs Aether
JDConan vs OyAji
Hawk vs izu
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech160
SpeCial 154
Nina 133
UpATreeSC 58
ROOTCatZ 30
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 6187
Mind 429
Sharp 220
Snow 135
ggaemo 78
Shine 69
Bale 28
Icarus 6
Terrorterran 1
Dota 2
monkeys_forever705
NeuroSwarm144
League of Legends
JimRising 1013
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox932
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor129
Other Games
summit1g15390
C9.Mang0503
WinterStarcraft381
ViBE169
Maynarde129
Livibee31
Mew2King29
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick617
BasetradeTV331
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 80
• practicex 15
• Mapu6
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush707
• Lourlo696
Other Games
• Scarra1059
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
5h 8m
Wardi Open
6h 8m
Afreeca Starleague
6h 8m
Bisu vs Ample
Jaedong vs Flash
Monday Night Weeklies
12h 8m
RSL Revival
22h 8m
GSL
1d 4h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 6h
Barracks vs Leta
Royal vs Light
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
1d 7h
RSL Revival
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
3 days
KCM Race Survival
3 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
Escore
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
5 days
Universe Titan Cup
5 days
Rogue vs Percival
Ladder Legends
5 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
BSL
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
6 days
Ladder Legends
6 days
BSL
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W3
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W4
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.