EPTOn October 02 2013 19:35 Dodgin wrote:
glad to see we're adopting the reddit method of sensationalized thread titles.
glad to see we're adopting the reddit method of sensationalized thread titles.
Agreed
I see heavy concerns about WCS
Choya says team will continue, criticizes WCS system (TIG)…
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Pandain
United States12984 Posts
Agreed I see heavy concerns about WCS | ||
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Grampz
United States2147 Posts
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DrPandaPhD
5188 Posts
On October 02 2013 19:37 ETisME wrote: before wcs, there were tonnes more smaller cups, I don't even know how many still exist now is KSL still running? KSL died a long time ago Also seems like Leenock is staying with the team =/ | ||
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MirageTaN
Singapore871 Posts
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SigmaoctanusIV
United States3313 Posts
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Caladan
Germany1238 Posts
Also Blizzard's price politics ruined SC2 in Asia from the start. It was 60+40 bucks (SC2+HotS) vs free (LoL). That's a joke. Before WCS it was all just about to break together, Blizzard just prolonged SC2's life with money (WCS). It does not matter if zero viewers watch GSL or if zero viewers watch WCS GSL. | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On October 02 2013 19:38 Grampz wrote: been saying it all year. WCS is the downfall of sc2. Nothing but turmoil has come. What makes you think that turmoil wouldn't have come anyway? Or wouldn't have been worse? | ||
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
2 seasons later... people still hate it and the problems have not been fixed. And that doesn't look like it'll be changing any time soon. Since SC2's inception, it seems as though Blizzard has really stuck their fingers in their ears and their heads in the ground, ignoring a lot of the major criticisms people had with them. Korea's the region that that's been effected the most by their ignorance, and it's the region that's suffering the most as the result of it. And really, should anyone really be surprised? Problems have been apparent for a long time. Players have asked Blizzard to fix them. And Blizzard has stubbornly refused or ignored them. And as much as I love SC2, Blizzard just does not seem to get that their game and approach to e-sports needs major fixing. And as a result, I really find it sad that I don't think there's any more hope for SC2 in Korea. There isn't going to be some kind messiah savior for it. No magic bullet. No healing potion. The Korean audience has made it clear that they don't care for SC2 in its current state, and Blizzard really doesn't look like they're going to do anything to change that. So, unfortunately, that's probably gonna be it. I really hope I'm wrong, but I expect SC2 to continue to decline until it eventually becomes incredibly niche like WC3 in Korea. As for the rest of the world, it's probably more resilient. SC2 still pretty popular outside of Korea. I can't make any predictions for SC2 outside of Korea right now, as the writing on the wall isn't as clear as it is in Korea. | ||
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ETisME
12265 Posts
EGTL house is closed? http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1nklkh/egtl_house_closed_hwanni_and_trot_part_ways_with/ does this mean there won't be EGTL anymore? | ||
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beesinyoface
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Passion
Netherlands1486 Posts
On October 02 2013 19:39 Daralii wrote: What makes you think that turmoil wouldn't have come anyway? Or wouldn't have been worse? More so, aren't people screaming apocalypse for a year a more likely cause of the downfall of SC2? | ||
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DinoToss
Poland507 Posts
On October 02 2013 19:27 Fionn wrote: We need some (up)magic and go(go) through this tough time or we'll not have the luxury to enjoy SC2 in Korea anymore. Justin time for such dark(elf) humour. | ||
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Insoleet
France1806 Posts
On October 02 2013 19:39 Caladan wrote: In my opinion, thats BS. SC2 gameplay flaws ruined SC2. The game ruined the game. Also Blizzard's price politics ruined SC2 in Asia from the start. It was 60+40 bucks (SC2+HotS) vs free (LoL). That's a joke. Before WCS it was all just about to break together, Blizzard just prolonged SC2's life with money (WCS). It does not matter if zero viewers watch GSL or if zero viewers watch WCS GSL. I totally agree with you | ||
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Lorch
Germany3667 Posts
On October 02 2013 19:37 Undead1993 wrote: i like how he says starcraft got hurt by wcs and it will be hurt even more if wcs stays this way and you make "WCS Ruined SC2" out of it. oO Dude we have to, no we must, believe that sc2 will die asap. Don't ask me why but it's apparently really cool to say. Gogo sc2 dieing!!! Sarcasm aside I agree with choya to a certain extend. Having wcs on top of gsl/osl like last year would have been way nicer and given players a chance to shine in 3 different individual leagues. @Ketch: Yes it is. If you push the only two existing tournaments into wcs thats the only logical result. As starleague/code s are now wcs brands they can't just run a code s/starleague on the side. | ||
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Ketch
Netherlands7285 Posts
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CrazyBirdman
Germany3509 Posts
On October 02 2013 19:41 ETisME wrote: on other news: EGTL house is closed? http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1nklkh/egtl_house_closed_hwanni_and_trot_part_ways_with/ does this mean there won't be EGTL anymore? Probably, I think it was already confirmed by EG in some article that the partnership ended with Proleague's conclusion. HerO is currently staying at the IM house. I don't know where Zenio went. | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On October 02 2013 19:43 Ketch wrote: Pfff.... Korea just needs more tournaments next to WCS that's all. Is it Blizz'es fault that there are no additional tournaments? I don't think so. They can just be organized right? I think you need a tournament license, but just about every company does that. I know Valve does at least. On October 02 2013 19:43 Lorch wrote: Dude we have to, no we must, believe that sc2 will die asap. Don't ask me why but it's apparently really cool to say. Gogo sc2 dieing!!! Sarcasm aside I agree with choya to a certain extend. Having wcs on top of gsl/osl like last year would have been way nicer and given players a chance to shine in 3 different individual leagues. Wasn't the complaint like a year and a half ago that having multiple individual leagues was killing SC2? | ||
Fionn
United States23455 Posts
Maru, a prodigy, and a huge underdog against Rain in the WCS finals, went on to beat the favored reigning champion in a memorable series. You had the iconic moment with his mom hugging him, Maru celebrating with his sister and a decent sized crowd cheering him. This was all negated when Maru had to travel to Europe the weekend after, lost -- if I remember correctly -- in the group stages, and Bomber went on to win the championship. Polt, duckdeok and Maru all had interesting tales to their championships, but none of it mattered because Bomber and Jaedong ended up in the finals and were featured on a larger scale with more money going there way. 1. Make the players have to actually reside in their home region. While it's funny to talk about Mvp being a European native, it's less humorous when he plays with awful lag in the Ro32, and then if he makes it farther, comes down for a few days and then leaves right away when the games are over. I thought the whole point of not region locking was so that Koreans could go to other regions, play on those servers, and up the competition around them by living in European/North American team houses. Currently, that is exactly the opposite of what is going on. 2. Kill the seasonal grand slams. They're awful for narrative purposes. Fucking awful. By themselves, disregarding the entire WCS story from Season 1 opening to Blizzcon Finals, the grand slams were produced awesomely -- with great crowds, good casting and hosting, and Blizzard got higher viewership than the respective regions were able to deliver with their finals. But if you actually want to tell a story and build heroes, villains, and interesting characters, YOU CANNOT continue the grand slam finals. It's incredibly damaging to crown three champions from three regions and two weeks later have all three perform poorly against people who didn't even make their respective region's finals. Even when you had Sniper, the craziest, least likely champion of all-time in a rushed GSL season, you still had time to build him up. Was he a gigantic fluke? Is he actually good? What's going to happen next season? Will someone rise up to challenge him? If the current WCS system was implemented during the time Sniper won his GSL, then he most likely would have flown to Europe or America a week later, got his ass kicked in the group stages, and everyone shrugging their shoulders going "Well, that last season of GSL was a complete waste of time." The prestige of a GSL and OSL title right now is like a soda that has been left out overnight. It's flat. It might taste good going down, but the aftertaste is nasty. I want Starcraft to succeed. It's the game that got me into writing and loving e-sports, so while I think it's not in a healthy position currently, it can get better with a few changes going into 2014. Just my long ranting thoughts. | ||
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Lorch
Germany3667 Posts
On October 02 2013 19:44 Daralii wrote: I think you need a tournament license, but just about every company does that. I know Valve does at least. Wasn't the complaint like a year and a half ago that having multiple individual leagues was killing SC2? Yea and kespas "reason" to move out of gomtv classic was that having 3 individual leagues + proleague was too much for the players. But msl + osl always worked fine so I guess if they would just give ogn wcs and let gom run code s you may have a nice solution. | ||
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xuanzue
Colombia1747 Posts
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