• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:23
CEST 15:23
KST 22:23
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)15Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy6Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru3
Community News
Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster3Weekly Cups (June 16-22): Clem strikes back0Weekly Cups (June 9-15): herO doubles on GSL week4Firefly suspended by EWC, replaced by Lancer12Classic & herO RO8 Interviews: "I think it’s time to teach [Rogue] a lesson."2
StarCraft 2
General
Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025) Weekly Cups (June 16-22): Clem strikes back Weekly Cups (June 9-15): herO doubles on GSL week The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation
Tourneys
Monday Nights Weeklies EWC 2025 Online Qualifiers (May 28-June 1, June 21-22) WardiTV Mondays RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] Darkgrid Layout
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome Mutation # 478 Instant Karma Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House
Brood War
General
What is the significance of domestic cricket bonjwa.tv: my AI project that translates BW videos BW General Discussion Who wrote this nonsense about Flash? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - WB Finals & LBR3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - LB Round 4 & 5 [ASL19] Grand Finals
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. Simple Questions, Simple Answers [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile What do you want from future RTS games? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread Echoes of Revolution and Separation
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NHL Playoffs 2024 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How Pro Gamers Cope with Str…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 34250 users

StarCraft 2: What's The Problem - Page 99

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 97 98 99 100 101 103 Next
Zadien
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada77 Posts
October 29 2013 12:46 GMT
#1961
On October 25 2013 23:30 nkr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2013 23:27 Zadien wrote:
Oh look @EGiNcontroL was on tv in Toronto this morning! Too bad there was no TL banner because they don't care about the game. Just them selves.


why the fuck would someone who represents EG market for TL?



Hey Swedish pumpkin you sorta acted like a good Swede there. Try to take over my island then run away and give up the world :D



This guy got banned by TL for promoting sc2. Now has a girl in a dota2 shirt and a box of sc2 painted black with just kerrigans eyes. Kind of funny imo :D
Dota 2
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 29 2013 12:50 GMT
#1962
On October 29 2013 21:46 Zadien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2013 23:30 nkr wrote:
On October 25 2013 23:27 Zadien wrote:
Oh look @EGiNcontroL was on tv in Toronto this morning! Too bad there was no TL banner because they don't care about the game. Just them selves.


why the fuck would someone who represents EG market for TL?



Hey Swedish pumpkin you sorta acted like a good Swede there. Try to take over my island then run away and give up the world :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmp7GmD0vbg

This guy got banned by TL for promoting sc2. Now has a girl in a dota2 shirt and a box of sc2 painted black with just kerrigans eyes. Kind of funny imo :D

Promoting SC2 or promoting himself though? It's not like you need to promote SC2 on site with userbase consisting on good 80%+ of SC:BW and SC2 players.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Zadien
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada77 Posts
October 29 2013 12:54 GMT
#1963
On October 29 2013 21:50 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2013 21:46 Zadien wrote:
On October 25 2013 23:30 nkr wrote:
On October 25 2013 23:27 Zadien wrote:
Oh look @EGiNcontroL was on tv in Toronto this morning! Too bad there was no TL banner because they don't care about the game. Just them selves.


why the fuck would someone who represents EG market for TL?



Hey Swedish pumpkin you sorta acted like a good Swede there. Try to take over my island then run away and give up the world :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmp7GmD0vbg

This guy got banned by TL for promoting sc2. Now has a girl in a dota2 shirt and a box of sc2 painted black with just kerrigans eyes. Kind of funny imo :D

Promoting SC2 or promoting himself though? It's not like you need to promote SC2 on site with userbase consisting on good 80%+ of SC:BW and SC2 players.



Definitely not SC2 anymore XD
Dota 2
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 29 2013 12:58 GMT
#1964
On October 29 2013 21:54 Zadien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2013 21:50 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 29 2013 21:46 Zadien wrote:
On October 25 2013 23:30 nkr wrote:
On October 25 2013 23:27 Zadien wrote:
Oh look @EGiNcontroL was on tv in Toronto this morning! Too bad there was no TL banner because they don't care about the game. Just them selves.


why the fuck would someone who represents EG market for TL?



Hey Swedish pumpkin you sorta acted like a good Swede there. Try to take over my island then run away and give up the world :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmp7GmD0vbg

This guy got banned by TL for promoting sc2. Now has a girl in a dota2 shirt and a box of sc2 painted black with just kerrigans eyes. Kind of funny imo :D

Promoting SC2 or promoting himself though? It's not like you need to promote SC2 on site with userbase consisting on good 80%+ of SC:BW and SC2 players.



Definitely not SC2 anymore XD

I had n fucks before your post.
I have n fucks after that.
How many fucks did i give?

User was warned for this post
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Zadien
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada77 Posts
October 29 2013 13:01 GMT
#1965
On October 29 2013 21:58 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2013 21:54 Zadien wrote:
On October 29 2013 21:50 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 29 2013 21:46 Zadien wrote:
On October 25 2013 23:30 nkr wrote:
On October 25 2013 23:27 Zadien wrote:
Oh look @EGiNcontroL was on tv in Toronto this morning! Too bad there was no TL banner because they don't care about the game. Just them selves.


why the fuck would someone who represents EG market for TL?



Hey Swedish pumpkin you sorta acted like a good Swede there. Try to take over my island then run away and give up the world :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmp7GmD0vbg

This guy got banned by TL for promoting sc2. Now has a girl in a dota2 shirt and a box of sc2 painted black with just kerrigans eyes. Kind of funny imo :D

Promoting SC2 or promoting himself though? It's not like you need to promote SC2 on site with userbase consisting on good 80%+ of SC:BW and SC2 players.



Definitely not SC2 anymore XD

I had n fucks before your post.
I have n fucks after that.
How many fucks did i give?


How many fucks did i give?

I had n fucks before your post + I have n fucks after that = 3.33 shots of vodka (repeating of course) + 1 espresso




User was warned for this post
Dota 2
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-29 13:16:50
October 29 2013 13:06 GMT
#1966
On October 29 2013 21:46 Zadien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2013 23:30 nkr wrote:
On October 25 2013 23:27 Zadien wrote:
Oh look @EGiNcontroL was on tv in Toronto this morning! Too bad there was no TL banner because they don't care about the game. Just them selves.


why the fuck would someone who represents EG market for TL?



Hey Swedish pumpkin you sorta acted like a good Swede there. Try to take over my island then run away and give up the world :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmp7GmD0vbg

This guy got banned by TL for promoting sc2. Now has a girl in a dota2 shirt and a box of sc2 painted black with just kerrigans eyes. Kind of funny imo :D

It's plain advertising, they run a clothing/music website.

For you this means, when you create a new thread, make sure to include content worth discussing in it. A link or youtube video is not enough. An opening post should set the tone for discussion by being thoughtful and well constructed. We will not hesitate to close threads that don't have enough OP content.
taken from the TL.net ten commandments
Also what's the point of sharing the video on here whenever everyone already knows about SC2? On Youtube he is promoting SC2 but not on TL on TL he is promoting his clothing website.
Moderatorlickypiddy
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 29 2013 13:18 GMT
#1967
Just ignore him. He has some weird beef with TL about their rules for advertising that he brings up randomly in threads for no reason.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
AngeVashes
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada13 Posts
October 29 2013 22:26 GMT
#1968
Guys guys, stop arguing and just watch this vid.

No Regrets
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16670 Posts
October 29 2013 23:04 GMT
#1969
Guys, the new C&C game coming out will be the best RTS game ever made.
Everyone will stop playing Starcraft and none of this will matter.

edit- EA just cancelled the new C&C and fired everyone and shut down the entire RTS game studio
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24965 Posts
October 30 2013 03:00 GMT
#1970
I genuinely feel for a game to be commercially viable in the modern age, some of the aspects of BW that make it the bomb aren't really doable.

That said, two things I've grappled with over the last while, that IMO BW does better that it SHOULDN'T in this modern age. When I say 'grapple' I am not referring to the validity of my thoughts, more the age-old 'is it nostalgia or was that genuinely better?'' debate

1. Sound.
BW sounds kick SC2's in the arse. Everything just seems a bit bland in SC2, I find BW just nailed a lot of these aspects better. Soundtracks aren't so big a deal when so many people listen to their own while playing, but things like the BW archon voice, or the Dragoon death noise IMO are small things that cumulatively really add to immersion. Immersion doesn't equal fun, but it helps.

2. Story. I've tried to finger why, and there are many reasons to me. Chief for me, maybe not for others is no longer being immersed, which I figured was due to two main factors. WHO are you in SC2? You seem to be just somebody either observing the protagonists doing their thing, like a narrator, or are actually the characters themselves? In the originals you are an adjutant [sic], or a cerebrate or whatever. Now this may sound minor but it created a real feeling of immersion in the story for me. You're a military coordinator, not in charge of the 'big picture' in terms of strategy, but entrusted with organising the troops in the field, without you the overarching plot arms can't really happen. SC2s story IMO missed this link, I think I'm right but maybe not, anyway I wont risk a thread on the topic :p

My biggest bugbear is the fucking prophecy arc. They to me = a feeling of non-agency when it comes to the story arc, and god how it irks me.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Zadien
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada77 Posts
October 30 2013 15:26 GMT
#1971
On October 30 2013 12:00 Wombat_NI wrote:
I genuinely feel for a game to be commercially viable in the modern age, some of the aspects of BW that make it the bomb aren't really doable.

That said, two things I've grappled with over the last while, that IMO BW does better that it SHOULDN'T in this modern age. When I say 'grapple' I am not referring to the validity of my thoughts, more the age-old 'is it nostalgia or was that genuinely better?'' debate

1. Sound.
BW sounds kick SC2's in the arse. Everything just seems a bit bland in SC2, I find BW just nailed a lot of these aspects better. Soundtracks aren't so big a deal when so many people listen to their own while playing, but things like the BW archon voice, or the Dragoon death noise IMO are small things that cumulatively really add to immersion. Immersion doesn't equal fun, but it helps.

2. Story. I've tried to finger why, and there are many reasons to me. Chief for me, maybe not for others is no longer being immersed, which I figured was due to two main factors. WHO are you in SC2? You seem to be just somebody either observing the protagonists doing their thing, like a narrator, or are actually the characters themselves? In the originals you are an adjutant [sic], or a cerebrate or whatever. Now this may sound minor but it created a real feeling of immersion in the story for me. You're a military coordinator, not in charge of the 'big picture' in terms of strategy, but entrusted with organising the troops in the field, without you the overarching plot arms can't really happen. SC2s story IMO missed this link, I think I'm right but maybe not, anyway I wont risk a thread on the topic :p

My biggest bugbear is the fucking prophecy arc. They to me = a feeling of non-agency when it comes to the story arc, and god how it irks me.





Wombat my friend, ever notice that Games Work shop workers have become much more pleasant? They became accepting of more people, something TL should do. Nothing with Blizzard
Dota 2
dgwow
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1024 Posts
October 30 2013 17:10 GMT
#1972
I thought I would post ths quote from Stork on why SC2 is not doing well:

"Q: After entering the SC2 era, fans [...] (T/N don’t know what this means). What is wrong with SC2?
A: SC1 was fun because every game was different, and it depended on your performance that game. On the contrary, in SC2 each game looks the same. Just turtle till 200 supply and fight. When in a disadvantage, if you could not harass your opponent, you would lose straight-on as well. Maybe that is why even if your favourite team lost, you did not think the opponents played particularly well. But this is all in the standpoint of the viewer. For the progamers, both SC1 and SC2 are meaningful. They have to work hard and prepare for all the competitions and prove themselves with results."

When you think about it, a progamer has to play so many games and you hear them say that the game becomes just another job to them. So I would think that the reason that the players quit is because of the fanbase, then. Without the support behind them, the progamers lose their motivation. This would be another reason to support balancing for spectator interest over pure balance.
Don't let those anti-cheese advocates tell you what to do. Rush to meet life head on!
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-30 17:46:02
October 30 2013 17:45 GMT
#1973
On October 30 2013 12:00 Wombat_NI wrote:
I genuinely feel for a game to be commercially viable in the modern age, some of the aspects of BW that make it the bomb aren't really doable.

That's a problem that any RTS with an aim towards competitive play will always struggle with, it's fucking hard, and people want easy and relaxing. I am not sure how many concessions an RTS can make to convenience and a very casual approach in the actual gameplay before it loses the main selling point as an Esport, the knowledge that the pro players are doing incredibly difficult things that I could never replicate myself.

I really agree about the sound, listening to a protoss army crashing into a siege line with storms going off everywhere and the tanks letting rip with a massive volley, with the fans screaming in the background was amazing. Clicking on an archon gave me chills too.

About the story, eh, Blizzard is what it is at this point, I'd rather pretend the story arc ended with BW.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
October 30 2013 18:01 GMT
#1974
On October 31 2013 02:45 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 12:00 Wombat_NI wrote:
I genuinely feel for a game to be commercially viable in the modern age, some of the aspects of BW that make it the bomb aren't really doable.

That's a problem that any RTS with an aim towards competitive play will always struggle with, it's fucking hard, and people want easy and relaxing. I am not sure how many concessions an RTS can make to convenience and a very casual approach in the actual gameplay before it loses the main selling point as an Esport, the knowledge that the pro players are doing incredibly difficult things that I could never replicate myself.

I really agree about the sound, listening to a protoss army crashing into a siege line with storms going off everywhere and the tanks letting rip with a massive volley, with the fans screaming in the background was amazing. Clicking on an archon gave me chills too.

About the story, eh, Blizzard is what it is at this point, I'd rather pretend the story arc ended with BW.


You mean WoL with its train robberies and archaeological dig sites didn't rev your engine or the Moba-esque feel of HotS just felt dishonest to the history of the Starcraft storytelling style?

Whatever do you mean lol lol
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-30 18:08:42
October 30 2013 18:08 GMT
#1975
On October 31 2013 03:01 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 02:45 Squat wrote:
On October 30 2013 12:00 Wombat_NI wrote:
I genuinely feel for a game to be commercially viable in the modern age, some of the aspects of BW that make it the bomb aren't really doable.

That's a problem that any RTS with an aim towards competitive play will always struggle with, it's fucking hard, and people want easy and relaxing. I am not sure how many concessions an RTS can make to convenience and a very casual approach in the actual gameplay before it loses the main selling point as an Esport, the knowledge that the pro players are doing incredibly difficult things that I could never replicate myself.

I really agree about the sound, listening to a protoss army crashing into a siege line with storms going off everywhere and the tanks letting rip with a massive volley, with the fans screaming in the background was amazing. Clicking on an archon gave me chills too.

About the story, eh, Blizzard is what it is at this point, I'd rather pretend the story arc ended with BW.


You mean WoL with its train robberies and archaeological dig sites didn't rev your engine or the Moba-esque feel of HotS just felt dishonest to the history of the Starcraft storytelling style?

Whatever do you mean lol lol

I was particularly fond of the complete inability of any major character to figure out that Narud = Duran.

But yeah, they turned Mengsk into an idiot, Raynor into an erratic, corny stalker and Kerrigan into a shamelessly over-sexualized Mary Sue. It's like witchbrew of flat characters designed to appeal to young teens.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-30 18:09:34
October 30 2013 18:08 GMT
#1976
On October 31 2013 03:08 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 03:01 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On October 31 2013 02:45 Squat wrote:
On October 30 2013 12:00 Wombat_NI wrote:
I genuinely feel for a game to be commercially viable in the modern age, some of the aspects of BW that make it the bomb aren't really doable.

That's a problem that any RTS with an aim towards competitive play will always struggle with, it's fucking hard, and people want easy and relaxing. I am not sure how many concessions an RTS can make to convenience and a very casual approach in the actual gameplay before it loses the main selling point as an Esport, the knowledge that the pro players are doing incredibly difficult things that I could never replicate myself.

I really agree about the sound, listening to a protoss army crashing into a siege line with storms going off everywhere and the tanks letting rip with a massive volley, with the fans screaming in the background was amazing. Clicking on an archon gave me chills too.

About the story, eh, Blizzard is what it is at this point, I'd rather pretend the story arc ended with BW.


You mean WoL with its train robberies and archaeological dig sites didn't rev your engine or the Moba-esque feel of HotS just felt dishonest to the history of the Starcraft storytelling style?

Whatever do you mean lol lol

I was particularly fond of the complete inability of any major character to figure out that the Narud = Duran.

But yeah, they turned Mengsk into an idiot, Raynor into an erratic, corny stalker and Kerrigan into a shamelessly over-sexualized Mary Sue. It's like witchbrew of flat characters designed to appeal to young teens.

At least missions were fun on no-upgrades brutal run T_T. Not nearly as frustrating as playing BW toss, and about as challenging.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24965 Posts
October 30 2013 18:29 GMT
#1977
On October 31 2013 00:26 Zadien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 12:00 Wombat_NI wrote:
I genuinely feel for a game to be commercially viable in the modern age, some of the aspects of BW that make it the bomb aren't really doable.

That said, two things I've grappled with over the last while, that IMO BW does better that it SHOULDN'T in this modern age. When I say 'grapple' I am not referring to the validity of my thoughts, more the age-old 'is it nostalgia or was that genuinely better?'' debate

1. Sound.
BW sounds kick SC2's in the arse. Everything just seems a bit bland in SC2, I find BW just nailed a lot of these aspects better. Soundtracks aren't so big a deal when so many people listen to their own while playing, but things like the BW archon voice, or the Dragoon death noise IMO are small things that cumulatively really add to immersion. Immersion doesn't equal fun, but it helps.

2. Story. I've tried to finger why, and there are many reasons to me. Chief for me, maybe not for others is no longer being immersed, which I figured was due to two main factors. WHO are you in SC2? You seem to be just somebody either observing the protagonists doing their thing, like a narrator, or are actually the characters themselves? In the originals you are an adjutant [sic], or a cerebrate or whatever. Now this may sound minor but it created a real feeling of immersion in the story for me. You're a military coordinator, not in charge of the 'big picture' in terms of strategy, but entrusted with organising the troops in the field, without you the overarching plot arms can't really happen. SC2s story IMO missed this link, I think I'm right but maybe not, anyway I wont risk a thread on the topic :p

My biggest bugbear is the fucking prophecy arc. They to me = a feeling of non-agency when it comes to the story arc, and god how it irks me.





Wombat my friend, ever notice that Games Work shop workers have become much more pleasant? They became accepting of more people, something TL should do. Nothing with Blizzard

Weirdly you brought back one of my fondest childhood memories, the Belfast GW guys have always been super cool, even to small kids. They did a battle report of some 40k for me and my bro, with sound effects and descriptions of Orks and their gruesome hyper violence, good times.

I do agree though with the crux of your point, unfortunate choice of analogy in my case :p

Going back to the sounds, some people might like the SC2 ones better, that's fine. Tbh if more things in SC2 were as cool as Abathur it'd be great. I was one who used the BW audio swap, but oh noes mods are bad! Same with the original colour mod that made my life easier as a colourblind fellow. So frustrating.

Does anybody agree with me on the 'who you are' flaw in the campaign? I don't know, I just really feel disconnected from the goings-on in the Koprulu sector now. Other problems such as the soap-esque story I find problematic, but to me that's a bad narrative arc and distinct from the idea of immersing you, the player in the events.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
ilililililililiii
Profile Joined October 2013
United States93 Posts
October 30 2013 18:42 GMT
#1978
t's time blizzard make sweeping changes for LoTV without fear. Theres literally hundreds of things blizzard needs to do. I've lost count of all the suggestions and changes. DK said he wouldnt mind overhaul for LoTV so do it!

A few things

chrono boost icon production tab
buildings more lifelike.. buildings like the spire are incredibly ugly( looks like a blow up play pin for kids? idk?)
more physics!(physics for hots was amazing!) honestly probably the coolest changes in HOTS imo
alternate observer views IE slow circular movement, ground view during battles
legacy of the void overhaul of several units and game design ( variety, viability){ time to stop making units and to increase the viability and skill cap of existing ones}
blizzard commitment to unit/theory/game design post-expansions every few years( i say this because it seems games are becoming to difficult to just make and sale it needs constant revision and needs to be constantly updated. I'm even worried after LoTV, after DK's comments for exapansion only revisions/overhauls.
play a certain race vs race on ladder ( unranked play only?)
as a terran player i feel late game mass mule drop is OP. ( dropping like 12 at once in low econ situations )
DO NOT RELEASE LOTV UNTIL SATISFIED like you use to do.

Being a hardcore sc2 player ( train on korea server) i played some dota2 and was amazed by the F2p and how polished it was. The inability to transition to F2p.. all i hear is excuses from a multi-billion dollar company.

when i first heard about leveling to 20 i thought it was pretty lackluster from a masters player perspective.. but some friends ate it up .. my gf ate it up like candy. Something i personally liked about d2 was level 99.. felt like i was always leveling up. It was the super small gain of +1 attributes over other people for my immense amount of dedication felt great, and worth it to chase. Something like that in sc2 where you're always leveling up. Maybe even pro gamers getting into it. (to feel like i'm ALWAYS working toward something is an awesome feeling). Sometimes skill takes a very long time to see results alone. This allows more variety to what you are gaining.

Blizzard needs to innovate on the social features. You want people to "chill", and "talk" on sc2. Think team games like LoL and Dota2. Think facebook, arcade. I'm constantly talking to people ..and i'm not a social guy. But i end up communicating and feeling good.
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-30 18:45:59
October 30 2013 18:43 GMT
#1979
On October 31 2013 03:29 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 00:26 Zadien wrote:
On October 30 2013 12:00 Wombat_NI wrote:
I genuinely feel for a game to be commercially viable in the modern age, some of the aspects of BW that make it the bomb aren't really doable.

That said, two things I've grappled with over the last while, that IMO BW does better that it SHOULDN'T in this modern age. When I say 'grapple' I am not referring to the validity of my thoughts, more the age-old 'is it nostalgia or was that genuinely better?'' debate

1. Sound.
BW sounds kick SC2's in the arse. Everything just seems a bit bland in SC2, I find BW just nailed a lot of these aspects better. Soundtracks aren't so big a deal when so many people listen to their own while playing, but things like the BW archon voice, or the Dragoon death noise IMO are small things that cumulatively really add to immersion. Immersion doesn't equal fun, but it helps.

2. Story. I've tried to finger why, and there are many reasons to me. Chief for me, maybe not for others is no longer being immersed, which I figured was due to two main factors. WHO are you in SC2? You seem to be just somebody either observing the protagonists doing their thing, like a narrator, or are actually the characters themselves? In the originals you are an adjutant [sic], or a cerebrate or whatever. Now this may sound minor but it created a real feeling of immersion in the story for me. You're a military coordinator, not in charge of the 'big picture' in terms of strategy, but entrusted with organising the troops in the field, without you the overarching plot arms can't really happen. SC2s story IMO missed this link, I think I'm right but maybe not, anyway I wont risk a thread on the topic :p

My biggest bugbear is the fucking prophecy arc. They to me = a feeling of non-agency when it comes to the story arc, and god how it irks me.





Wombat my friend, ever notice that Games Work shop workers have become much more pleasant? They became accepting of more people, something TL should do. Nothing with Blizzard

Weirdly you brought back one of my fondest childhood memories, the Belfast GW guys have always been super cool, even to small kids. They did a battle report of some 40k for me and my bro, with sound effects and descriptions of Orks and their gruesome hyper violence, good times.

I do agree though with the crux of your point, unfortunate choice of analogy in my case :p

Going back to the sounds, some people might like the SC2 ones better, that's fine. Tbh if more things in SC2 were as cool as Abathur it'd be great. I was one who used the BW audio swap, but oh noes mods are bad! Same with the original colour mod that made my life easier as a colourblind fellow. So frustrating.

Does anybody agree with me on the 'who you are' flaw in the campaign? I don't know, I just really feel disconnected from the goings-on in the Koprulu sector now. Other problems such as the soap-esque story I find problematic, but to me that's a bad narrative arc and distinct from the idea of immersing you, the player in the events.

I think only 12 year olds that obsess about the awesomeness of Kerrigan will disagree with you.

I would say that the story resembling a bad soap is strongly related to the immersion problem. Normally in computer games you will play a nameless/voiceless player stand-in, this gives you a certain independent perspective that allows you to be immersed in the games. However, if Kerrigan was a character that was compelling enough we would still be immersed because we would be invested in what happens to her and identify with her as the protagonist.

Unfortunately Kerrigan in Heart of the Swarm is easily the worst written character I have ever come across in any computer game that I have played.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24965 Posts
October 30 2013 18:55 GMT
#1980
Case in point, you start vanilla SC as a colonial Marshall right? Zerg appear, Duke is being useless, Raynor saves your hide. By accepting his help you are effectively an enemy of the confederacy so there is this feeling of having your destiny intertwined with the named characters.

Protoss similar again, Zerg show up, shit hits the fan on Aiur, Fenix dies plus returns (so beautiful). Tassadar and his heretical pursuit of finding the Dark Templar, all of which you the nameless but REFERRED TO Executor are privy to. You can't choose the arc, but you were there. Briefing screen you're chilling and planning etc.

I actually enjoyed walking around between every SC2 mission and chatting (mostly to my good buddy Abathur, but I never got the feeling that I was a part of the overall shebang. A simple 'Sup Executor?' (or racial equivalent) would have been an improvement.

That said, to me (regardless of the aforementioned women's gossip mag-esque plot) prophecy arcs generally blow because they give me the feeling of complete uninvolvement in proceedings
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Prev 1 97 98 99 100 101 103 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Wardi Open
11:00
#41
WardiTV1201
OGKoka 673
Rex203
CranKy Ducklings113
IntoTheiNu 64
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
OGKoka 673
Harstem 352
Lowko293
Rex 203
StarCraft: Brood War
Hyuk 2063
EffOrt 852
Stork 588
actioN 562
BeSt 520
Mini 396
firebathero 192
Snow 179
Light 168
ZerO 149
[ Show more ]
JYJ116
TY 75
Mind 68
ToSsGirL 64
Rush 60
Shinee 41
PianO 35
Backho 34
Yoon 24
soO 19
Icarus 14
ajuk12(nOOB) 13
Noble 12
GoRush 11
Hm[arnc] 8
Bale 6
Terrorterran 6
Dota 2
Gorgc5242
qojqva939
XcaliburYe260
febbydoto7
League of Legends
Dendi978
JimRising 461
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0260
Mew2King153
Other Games
singsing1801
hiko911
B2W.Neo439
crisheroes426
Hui .229
ArmadaUGS116
SortOf113
Liquid`VortiX62
ZerO(Twitch)21
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream16434
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream9169
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 10 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Upcoming Events
Monday Night Weeklies
2h 37m
Replay Cast
20h 37m
PiGosaur Monday
1d 10h
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
BSL: ProLeague
5 days
SOOP
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
BSL: ProLeague
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Rose Open S1
2025 GSL S2
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Championship of Russia 2025
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.