On October 30 2013 08:04 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Guys, the new C&C game coming out will be the best RTS game ever made. Everyone will stop playing Starcraft and none of this will matter.
edit- EA just cancelled the new C&C and fired everyone and shut down the entire RTS game studio
Yeah, and you know the reasoning for it? Because they wanted to make it competitive multiplayer focused instead of campaign/singleplayer focused. And the reception for that route was very bad right from the start.
--> Stop shitting on SC2, the problem is that people don't worship the genre anymore.
no it was cause the game fucking sucked and was pay2win, pls dont use c&c as any kind of excuse. Yes rts is in decline but i bet if this game would have been good and wouldnt have been a pay2win game, c&c would have been played A LOT.
I didn't get an alpha invitation, but as far as I know the game wasn't p2w. What could you buy that would have changed your ingame power? The things you could buy were skins and other generals (factions).
And wether the game would have been good or not is pretty hard to tell, since it was in an alpha stage. When it's 1.00 and sucks fundamentally we can talk about whether it was good or not. Meanwhile from what I have heard they tried to make it pretty similar to Starcraft in terms of fundamentals (fast/instant unit reactions, 2 resources that resembled minerals/gas, base layouts with chokes, discrete highground/lowground differences, caster units). And exactly those fundamentals were heavily rejected by the fans (if you have followed the forum discussions and the reasonings for why they changed certain stuff over time). Not that I think it could have been a serious competitor to SC2, since SC2 is the best RTS game up to date. But compared to other developers that try to make RTS games with units that don't react to orders for seconds or who believe that an open field and a huge mapsize with 20 different resources are reasonable approaches, CnC got at least some stuff right.
On October 30 2013 08:04 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Guys, the new C&C game coming out will be the best RTS game ever made. Everyone will stop playing Starcraft and none of this will matter.
edit- EA just cancelled the new C&C and fired everyone and shut down the entire RTS game studio
Yeah, and you know the reasoning for it? Because they wanted to make it competitive multiplayer focused instead of campaign/singleplayer focused. And the reception for that route was very bad right from the start.
--> Stop shitting on SC2, the problem is that people don't worship the genre anymore.
no it was cause the game fucking sucked and was pay2win, pls dont use c&c as any kind of excuse. Yes rts is in decline but i bet if this game would have been good and wouldnt have been a pay2win game, c&c would have been played A LOT.
I didn't get an alpha invitation, but as far as I know the game wasn't p2w. What could you buy that would have changed your ingame power? The things you could buy were skins and other generals (factions).
And wether the game would have been good or not is pretty hard to tell, since it was in an alpha stage. When it's 1.00 and sucks fundamentally we can talk about whether it was good or not. Meanwhile from what I have heard they tried to make it pretty similar to Starcraft in terms of fundamentals (fast/instant unit reactions, 2 resources that resembled minerals/gas, base layouts with chokes, discrete highground/lowground differences, caster units). And exactly those fundamentals were heavily rejected by the fans (if you have followed the forum discussions and the reasonings for why they changed certain stuff over time). Not that I think it could have been a serious competitor to SC2, since SC2 is the best RTS game up to date. But compared to other developers that try to make RTS games with units that don't react to orders for seconds or who believe that an open field and a huge mapsize with 20 different resources are reasonable approaches, CnC got at least some stuff right.
I've been following Planetary Annihilation development a little bit and for many people on the forums there Starcraft is a dirty word, something that if you bring it up others will cringe. I don't think everyone likes the game, and since the game is so dominant many other communities define themselves in relation to it. Much like how in many communities people have started to more strongly identify with various cultural aspects in opposition to some dominant culture.
I think if you're going to make a competitive rts game that all the people interest in something like that will already either play starcraft or want something superior. Since there is no way that the new f2p C&C game can actually be an improvement on SC2 there is no market for the game outside of people literally too poor to buy anything else. Especially with the declining audience for RTS games. I think a better bet for them would be to create a traditional C&C game with some unique features and a single player mission.
On October 30 2013 08:04 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Guys, the new C&C game coming out will be the best RTS game ever made. Everyone will stop playing Starcraft and none of this will matter.
edit- EA just cancelled the new C&C and fired everyone and shut down the entire RTS game studio
Yeah, and you know the reasoning for it? Because they wanted to make it competitive multiplayer focused instead of campaign/singleplayer focused. And the reception for that route was very bad right from the start.
--> Stop shitting on SC2, the problem is that people don't worship the genre anymore.
no it was cause the game fucking sucked and was pay2win, pls dont use c&c as any kind of excuse. Yes rts is in decline but i bet if this game would have been good and wouldnt have been a pay2win game, c&c would have been played A LOT.
I didn't get an alpha invitation, but as far as I know the game wasn't p2w. What could you buy that would have changed your ingame power? The things you could buy were skins and other generals (factions).
And wether the game would have been good or not is pretty hard to tell, since it was in an alpha stage. When it's 1.00 and sucks fundamentally we can talk about whether it was good or not. Meanwhile from what I have heard they tried to make it pretty similar to Starcraft in terms of fundamentals (fast/instant unit reactions, 2 resources that resembled minerals/gas, base layouts with chokes, discrete highground/lowground differences, caster units). And exactly those fundamentals were heavily rejected by the fans (if you have followed the forum discussions and the reasonings for why they changed certain stuff over time). Not that I think it could have been a serious competitor to SC2, since SC2 is the best RTS game up to date. But compared to other developers that try to make RTS games with units that don't react to orders for seconds or who believe that an open field and a huge mapsize with 20 different resources are reasonable approaches, CnC got at least some stuff right.
The joystiq article says specificlly that the multiplayer focus was the games downfall. The post from EA says the exact same thing. It says that feed showed that people did not want an economy base multiplayer experience. I don't know how much more direct they can get.
On October 30 2013 08:04 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Guys, the new C&C game coming out will be the best RTS game ever made. Everyone will stop playing Starcraft and none of this will matter.
edit- EA just cancelled the new C&C and fired everyone and shut down the entire RTS game studio
Yeah, and you know the reasoning for it? Because they wanted to make it competitive multiplayer focused instead of campaign/singleplayer focused. And the reception for that route was very bad right from the start.
--> Stop shitting on SC2, the problem is that people don't worship the genre anymore.
no it was cause the game fucking sucked and was pay2win, pls dont use c&c as any kind of excuse. Yes rts is in decline but i bet if this game would have been good and wouldnt have been a pay2win game, c&c would have been played A LOT.
I didn't get an alpha invitation, but as far as I know the game wasn't p2w. What could you buy that would have changed your ingame power? The things you could buy were skins and other generals (factions).
And wether the game would have been good or not is pretty hard to tell, since it was in an alpha stage. When it's 1.00 and sucks fundamentally we can talk about whether it was good or not. Meanwhile from what I have heard they tried to make it pretty similar to Starcraft in terms of fundamentals (fast/instant unit reactions, 2 resources that resembled minerals/gas, base layouts with chokes, discrete highground/lowground differences, caster units). And exactly those fundamentals were heavily rejected by the fans (if you have followed the forum discussions and the reasonings for why they changed certain stuff over time). Not that I think it could have been a serious competitor to SC2, since SC2 is the best RTS game up to date. But compared to other developers that try to make RTS games with units that don't react to orders for seconds or who believe that an open field and a huge mapsize with 20 different resources are reasonable approaches, CnC got at least some stuff right.
i wasnt in alpha either, but a friend of mine and he was pretty unhappy with the game. Dj Wheat said similar things i think, so take that for what it is. I think it was pay2win cause the other generals were better iirc, so yeah. Well as i said i didn play it either, but i pretty much only heard bad things from sc2 community figures, maybe i am dead wrong on this though^^
I hope that the game day9 works on will be great, the only problem there is that it wont reach many people i guess, but i have somewhat faith in it.
the link at 0:45 he honestly has an SC2 box painted in black. Who else will know but the SC2 players?
Why do you keep posting that video?
Look what TL caused with their administration? Whats that online saying?
*Thats 100 people who didn't see StarCraft2*
They need to relax. Be noob friendly.
Lol, that's funny. Maybe because that video sucks. Like seriously sucks. Not to mention that having a 1 second of SC2 does not qualify as SC2's advertising. Talking about original one ofc.
the link at 0:45 he honestly has an SC2 box painted in black. Who else will know but the SC2 players?
Why do you keep posting that video?
Look what TL caused with their administration? Whats that online saying?
*Thats 100 people who didn't see StarCraft2*
They need to relax. Be noob friendly.
Lol, that's funny. Maybe because that video sucks. Like seriously sucks. Not to mention that having a 1 second of SC2 does not qualify as SC2's advertising. Talking about original one ofc.
Why even waste time with showing it for him? He has a sexy little Dota 2 girl. Not a typical gamer stereotype.
Yeah 9 million views, mostly internal to the community. But he is trolling the genre of music. That will not bring the external audience in to SC2. Shame shame.
Great write up. These were all things that I have been thinking about throughout the year and I'm glad that you wrote them down so well. Hopefully Blizzard takes a good read and has some improvements for WCS 2014. See you on the other side!
besides from balance and design problems, there are too much one sided grand finals in HotS Polt vs Jaedong 4-0 Bomber vs Jaedong 4-0 Parting vs Hero 4-0 Dear vs Soulkey 4-0 Taeja vs Innovation 3-0 Innovation vs SoS 4-0 Revival vs Oz 4-0 Mvp vs Stephano 4-1 Polt vs Byul 4-1
On November 01 2013 20:22 Dingodile wrote: besides from balance and design problems, there are too much one sided grand finals in HotS Polt vs Jaedong 4-0 Bomber vs Jaedong 4-0 Parting vs Hero 4-0 Dear vs Soulkey 4-0 Taeja vs Innovation 3-0 Innovation vs SoS 4-0 Revival vs Oz 4-0 Mvp vs Stephano 4-1 Polt vs Byul 4-1
It's not like BW had no stomps in finals. Also, terrible finals is a long tradition that is usually warned about with great semis.
On November 01 2013 20:22 Dingodile wrote: besides from balance and design problems, there are too much one sided grand finals in HotS Polt vs Jaedong 4-0 Bomber vs Jaedong 4-0 Parting vs Hero 4-0 Dear vs Soulkey 4-0 Taeja vs Innovation 3-0 Innovation vs SoS 4-0 Revival vs Oz 4-0 Mvp vs Stephano 4-1 Polt vs Byul 4-1
It's not like BW had no stomps in finals. Also, terrible finals is a long tradition that is usually warned about with great semis.
So, the banned Khali Wear sponsor by TL admins. Have their stuff in a 62,000 view video.
TL I sincerely hope you tone down your policies before the last expansion. If people come here because they hear its the number one place for starcraft and get banned or have their posts closed or be warned for something silly. They might just toss the game as well.
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