EPTYes it does.
Nice post by the way.
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Dapper_Cad
United Kingdom964 Posts
Yes it does. Nice post by the way. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5599 Posts
On October 24 2013 05:11 PhoenixLight wrote: Day 9 lover of starcraft is making a RTS game with esports in mind. Hopefully it will kick sc2's ass, so blizzard won't be so full of themselves and acknowledged that their game is far from being even close to done. The competitive RTS genere really needs some love cause as long as sc2 remains top dog people get all defensive and refuse to even imagine that there is a better way of doing things. Also, someone should host SC2BW tourney and get some of the top bw players on it. Is there something massively different about the mod that is preventing people from playing it? I lost much of my respect for day9 (and the other community figures like Artosis, Tasteless...) when they just accepted the swich to sc2 without saying a word about how much the game is lacking compared to bw. I know that they had huge economic incentments to do that, but for me they lost a lot of credibility. | ||
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On October 24 2013 17:42 Elroi wrote: I lost much of my respect for day9 (and the other community figures like Artosis, Tasteless...) when they just accepted the swich to sc2 without saying a word about how much the game is lacking compared to bw. I know that they had huge economic incentments to do that, but for me they lost a lot of credibility. Yeah I never understood why some of those prominent community figures never just went ahead and pointed out some of the glarring issues SC2 has. I dont think its greed or anything silly like that, I think they just subconsciously interpreted their newfound positions as sort of a mediator between the devs and the community. Or maybe a true passion to get this esport thing rolling whatever the game may be. I am absolutelly convinced they have not been blind all this time to some of the poor design choices the devs had incorporated (sans Artosis, hes a puzzle to me). It could have done more good than harm I think, but whatever, no point in talking what could have been or not. EDIT: Just wanted to note that I do not share the views of the person I quotted regarding the "respect" I have towards day9 and others. They are extraordinarry individuals and I deeply support their devotion in what they do. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
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Applesmack
Canada680 Posts
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ETisME
12489 Posts
On October 24 2013 17:42 Elroi wrote: I lost much of my respect for day9 (and the other community figures like Artosis, Tasteless...) when they just accepted the swich to sc2 without saying a word about how much the game is lacking compared to bw. I know that they had huge economic incentments to do that, but for me they lost a lot of credibility. or you know, they see something more than just bw? to help the esport scene grow? | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On October 24 2013 22:58 Applesmack wrote: This thread is basically full of delusional Brood War fanboys circlejerking about why Brood War is great and SC2 sucks. Blizzard should ignore everything said in it. Just look at the post history of most of these people and it will tell you all you need to know. There is no problem in SC2 outside of the fact that it is an RTS game and too hard for casuals, which it should be. Oh look, another one of those. I'm growing bored with berating people for this kind of idiocy, someone else do the honours. | ||
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Smackzilla
United States539 Posts
On October 24 2013 22:58 Applesmack wrote: This thread is basically full of delusional Brood War fanboys circlejerking about why Brood War is great and SC2 sucks. Blizzard should ignore everything said in it. Just look at the post history of most of these people and it will tell you all you need to know. There is no problem in SC2 outside of the fact that it is an RTS game and too hard for casuals, which it should be. This. If broodwar with pretty graphics came out in 2010, LoL would hand BW its ass too. Face it, F2P mobas are going to have broader international appeal than pay-to-play RTSs. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On October 24 2013 23:02 Squat wrote: Oh look, another one of those. I'm growing bored with berating people for this kind of idiocy, someone else do the honours. He is right though. On other hand it is hard to deny that SC2 has it's problem. Main one: we are not in fucking 90s and early 00s anymore. But yeah. there are some problems within the game. | ||
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Garmer
1286 Posts
On October 24 2013 20:15 hzflank wrote: Perhaps they expected things to change in SC2. It took years for SC1 to become a good multiplayer game, afterall. You are comparing the end state of one game with the beginning of another. what? not this argument again plz, sc2 already have 3 years of life, it's enough for a game to become good, or destined to be bad | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On October 24 2013 23:32 Garmer wrote: what? not this argument again plz, sc2 already have 3 years of life, it's enough for a game to become good, or destined to be bad My point was that it is unfair to slate people like Day9 or Tasteless for switching to SC2 as they did, because they would of expected SC2 to continue to improve like BW did. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On October 24 2013 23:20 lolfail9001 wrote: He is right though. On other hand it is hard to deny that SC2 has it's problem. Main one: we are not in fucking 90s and early 00s anymore. But yeah. there are some problems within the game. No he's not. He is so completely fucking wrong it's not even funny, and it hurts my brain when people don't get how or why. He is claiming that there is just whining for the sake of whining, as if the complaints are made just for the sake of being a little bitch and hating SC2. Newsflash, if we hated SC2 we would give two shits about what happened to the game, just like I have zero opinion on LoL, because the game means nothing to me. The complaints exist because we want the game to become better, to be worthy of the incredible community and pro gamers that it has, because we care. The BW analogies exist because it is the closest frame of reference and also was fucking amazing. To say it's just BW fanboyism and we all just hate Sc2 and wish it was BW is so incredible inane and simplistic, I don't even know where to begin. If you're going to disagree, fine, but shit like that is what just drives me crazy, completely dishonest reasoning and obnoxious fatuity. If the community had not voiced any concern we would still be playing on Jungle Basin and close spawn Lost Temple, and 1 supply roaches would still be in the game. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On October 25 2013 00:04 Squat wrote: + Show Spoiler + No he's not. He is so completely fucking wrong it's not even funny, and it hurts my brain when people don't get how or why. He is claiming that there is just whining for the sake of whining, as if the complaints are made just for the sake of being a little bitch and hating SC2. Newsflash, if we hated SC2 we would give two shits about what happened to the game, just like I have zero opinion on LoL, because the game means nothing to me. The complaints exist because we want the game to become better, to be worthy of the incredible community and pro gamers that it has, because we care. The BW analogies exist because it is the closest frame of reference and also was fucking amazing. To say it's just BW fanboyism and we all just hate Sc2 and wish it was BW is so incredible inane and simplistic, I don't even know where to begin. If you're going to disagree, fine, but shit like that is what just drives me crazy, completely dishonest reasoning and obnoxious fatuity. If the community had not voiced any concern we would still be playing on Jungle Basin and close spawn Lost Temple, and 1 supply roaches would still be in the game. Three things I actually miss. Games were more action packed, being successfully greedy was actually impressive, and games were always back and forth. | ||
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Masq
Canada1792 Posts
'esports' seem to be very trendy. You have the all the different genres competing constantly but you consistently have an era where one group dominates the others. You can initially look at FPS games (CS,Quake3,all the various spinoffs), then comes RTS (SC/BW, WC3,spinoffs), and now its MOBAs time (DoTA2, LoL, spinoffs). Actually you could probably say the more game spinoffs during an era the more popular it was. How much competition does RTS have at the moment besides SC2? None to my knowledge, maybe a C&C browser game. MOBAs have Hon, Dota, LoL, Smite, Blizzard dota, and whatever else is in the pipeline. An interesting thought is that RTS actually spawned the MOBA genre (Aeon of Strife in BW/WC3, DoTA1). Perhaps you could contribute their social success to the team/social aspect of it. | ||
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On October 25 2013 01:26 Thieving Magpie wrote: Three things I actually miss. Games were more action packed, being successfully greedy was actually impressive, and games were always back and forth. If that is something to be missed, the game is worse off than even I would say. The balance was horrid, and the best builds were almost all 1 base. I guess there was back and forth between different kinds of cheese, but if that's the best we can do, if having maps that make any other type of play not viable is required, then thanks, but no thanks. | ||
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Ctone23
United States1839 Posts
On October 25 2013 00:04 Squat wrote: No he's not. He is so completely fucking wrong it's not even funny, and it hurts my brain when people don't get how or why. He is claiming that there is just whining for the sake of whining, as if the complaints are made just for the sake of being a little bitch and hating SC2. Newsflash, if we hated SC2 we would give two shits about what happened to the game, just like I have zero opinion on LoL, because the game means nothing to me. The complaints exist because we want the game to become better, to be worthy of the incredible community and pro gamers that it has, because we care. The BW analogies exist because it is the closest frame of reference and also was fucking amazing. To say it's just BW fanboyism and we all just hate Sc2 and wish it was BW is so incredible inane and simplistic, I don't even know where to begin. If you're going to disagree, fine, but shit like that is what just drives me crazy, completely dishonest reasoning and obnoxious fatuity. If the community had not voiced any concern we would still be playing on Jungle Basin and close spawn Lost Temple, and 1 supply roaches would still be in the game. Constantly bringing up how much better BW was is not efficient whatsoever. You can use all the fancy words you want but the bottom line is that Blizzard is done with BW and is looking to improve on SC2. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On October 25 2013 02:24 Squat wrote: If that is something to be missed, the game is worse off than even I would say. The balance was horrid, and the best builds were almost all 1 base. I guess there was back and forth between different kinds of cheese, but if that's the best we can do, if having maps that make any other type of play not viable is required, then thanks, but no thanks. Just saying, early SC2 had lots of non-stop action, lots of back and forth, and every expansion was super important. Max supply fights were rare, harass was constant, and build order variations were NUMEROUS. If those are the things people keep asking for its very easy to get back. But people aren't really asking for more action, more back and forth, and build order variation. Because those were the things whiners asked to be removed. | ||
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
I had an impression you were a quallity poster but then you go on write that? Really?? Lol. That was terrible. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On October 25 2013 02:25 Ctone23 wrote: Constantly bringing up how much better BW was is not efficient whatsoever. You can use all the fancy words you want but the bottom line is that Blizzard is done with BW and is looking to improve on SC2. That`s pretty much hardcore fatality right now. | ||
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