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Belgica34432 Posts
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Poll: Hardest Group?Group B (221) 43% Group C (138) 27% Group D (119) 23% Group A (35) 7% 513 total votes Your vote: Hardest Group? (Vote): Group A
(Vote): Group B
(Vote): Group C
(Vote): Group D
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Kind of weak compared to previous seasons...
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Mexico674 Posts
dat group B. Talk about groups of death.
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Aligulac predictions
Group A
+ Show Spoiler + Top 2 1st 2nd 3rd 4th
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StarDust 63.99% 33.06% 30.92% 21.89% 14.12%
Happy 58.15% 30.60% 27.54% 22.12% 19.73%
Welmu 50.95% 24.84% 26.11% 25.98% 23.08%
TargA 26.92% 11.49% 15.43% 30.01% 43.07%
Group B
+ Show Spoiler + Top 2 1st 2nd 3rd 4th
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VortiX 78.51% 48.22% 30.29% 12.84% 8.65%
MC 54.89% 25.30% 29.59% 24.93% 20.18%
ThorZaIN 37.74% 14.81% 22.93% 32.01% 30.25%
BabyKnight 28.86% 11.67% 17.20% 30.21% 40.92%
Group C
+ Show Spoiler + Top 2 1st 2nd 3rd 4th
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ForGG 66.87% 35.41% 31.45% 20.43% 12.71%
Nerchio 54.86% 29.77% 25.09% 21.97% 23.17%
Genius 52.91% 24.78% 28.13% 26.34% 20.75%
ShoWTimE 25.36% 10.04% 15.32% 31.26% 43.38%
Group D
+ Show Spoiler + Top 2 1st 2nd 3rd 4th
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MMA 82.38% 52.73% 29.65% 10.65% 6.97%
duckdeok 51.24% 23.03% 28.21% 26.20% 22.56%
Starbuck 34.95% 12.92% 22.04% 31.00% 34.05%
TitaN 31.42% 11.32% 20.10% 32.16% 36.42%
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Hmm, here's hoping Genius and Nerchio can eliminate ForGG... and maaaaybe Titan can eliminate duckdeok.
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It's weird though that the median outcome for Group A has Stardust going out in 3rd place.
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4 zergs 4 terrans 8 protoss but then again tosses always complain that toss is too weak lol
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Gogo MMA, this is your season! Easy group for you!
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Pretty high chance of 6 Koreans in top8 and most of them protoss.
Oh well, maybe WCS will be better next year.
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On September 19 2013 05:13 Bagi wrote:
Pretty high chance of 6 Koreans in top8 and most of them protoss.
Oh well, maybe WCS will be better next year.
hopefully more Koreans join EU, it's the weakest region by far, needs some more talent.
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Russian Federation1016 Posts
I would say Happy dodged the bullet. Group A is beatable, hope to see him in Ro8.
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United States33397 Posts
This tournament is happy's to lose!
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Haha ForGG and Nerchio, pulling for ForGG on that one.
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On September 19 2013 05:08 Darkthorn wrote:
4 zergs 4 terrans 8 protoss but then again tosses always complain that toss is too weak lol
There are a lot of european protoss players and most koreans who chose WCS EU also play protoss; their overrepresentation isn't that strange.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
Okay, Group C:
ForGG 1-2 Showtime
Nerchio 2-0 Genius
Nerchio 2-0 Showtime
ForGG 2-0 Genius
ForGG 1-2 Showtime.
Group D:
MMA 2-0 Starbuck
Titan 2-0 duckdeok
Titan 2-0 MMA
Starbuck 2-0 duckdeok
Starbuck 2-1 MMA.
Group A:
Happy 2 0 Targa
StarDust 2 0 Welmu
StarDust 2 1 Happy
Targa 2 1 Welmu
Targa 2 1 Happy
Group B: impossible to call, as it has 3 players who have been in WCS EU Ro8. But Thorzain 4-0s group.
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Surpringly few top Euro foreigners left.
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On September 19 2013 05:13 Popkiller wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 05:13 Bagi wrote:
Pretty high chance of 6 Koreans in top8 and most of them protoss.
Oh well, maybe WCS will be better next year. hopefully more Koreans join EU, it's the weakest region by far, needs some more talent.
This seriously. America actually put up a really good fight at the last WCS finals. Half of the top 4 was from WCS America. Pretty sure overall the only players to even make Ro8 at WCS finals were Forgg and MVP in season 1.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 19 2013 05:49 bourne117 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 05:13 Popkiller wrote:On September 19 2013 05:13 Bagi wrote:
Pretty high chance of 6 Koreans in top8 and most of them protoss.
Oh well, maybe WCS will be better next year. hopefully more Koreans join EU, it's the weakest region by far, needs some more talent. This seriously. America actually put up a really good fight at the last WCS finals. Half of the top 4 was from WCS America. Pretty sure overall the only players to even make Ro8 at WCS finals were Forgg and MVP in season 1.
Naniwa
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On September 19 2013 05:13 Bagi wrote:
Pretty high chance of 6 Koreans in top8 and most of them protoss.
Oh well, maybe WCS will be better next year.
I disagree. Only MMA and one of ForGG/Genius are pretty much guaranteed.
The other Koreans won`t have an easy fight. Europe often did 'hold'.
Its very unlikely IMO that we will have 6 Koreans in top8. (4-5: yes)
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On September 19 2013 04:58 ReMinD_ wrote:
Kind of weak compared to previous seasons...
compared to AM and KR this seems kinda weak...
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On September 19 2013 04:58 DARKING wrote:
dat group B. Talk about groups of death.
yea but this is nothing compared to the korean group of death in WCS Korea Season 1 (GSL Code S), think that group had, Life, Flash, PartinG and INnoVation if I remember correctly
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 19 2013 06:10 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 04:58 DARKING wrote:
dat group B. Talk about groups of death. yea but this is nothing compared to the korean group of death in WCS Korea Season 1 (GSL Code S), think that group had, Life, Flash, PartinG and INnoVation if I remember correctly
You miss the point. Group Balls was most stacked group. Group B on other hand is completely impossible to predict, as it has 3 players from WCS EU Ro8 aka CURSE SHALL BE BORKEN. And we go with assumption it only works 1 season, then BabyKnight and Thorzain advance.
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On September 19 2013 06:10 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 04:58 DARKING wrote:
dat group B. Talk about groups of death. yea but this is nothing compared to the korean group of death in WCS Korea Season 1 (GSL Code S), think that group had, Life, Flash, PartinG and INnoVation if I remember correctly
no group of death after that ever existed I agree 
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
Gonna dare to guess that MMA will not win it.
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Conisdering that MMA is a TvP monster and his TvT is pretty good aswell, i'd rate his chance of winning quite good (i may not be 100% objective since i think MMA is fucking awesome)
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It's funny to see NA citizens come here and brag about the strength of NA ... or should I say the strength of korean on foreign teams.
My rebuttal will be this one : Production quality and entertainment.
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I really think WCS 2012 was more entertaining to watch. With all the Koreans running around, WCS Europe doesn't feel like WCS EUROPE. It just feels like another tournament and it makes it a lot more difficult to follow both the North American and European scene, in my opinion.
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Oooh! MC vs ThorZaIN... sick cityyy!
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Those groups seems to be balanced, not a lot of koreans per group (1 or 2).
At least we'll see foreigners going through to the RO8!
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On September 19 2013 06:29 Otolia wrote:
It's funny to see NA citizens come here and brag about the strength of NA ... or should I say the strength of korean on foreign teams.
My rebuttal will be this one : Production quality and entertainment.
This. Remember how much bitching and crying there was in the two first seasons? "WCS NA doesn't support the growth of NA scene" or "Koreans shouldn't be allowed to play outside their own region" etc etc. Then when some people figured out that the majority of Season 2 finals players was from the NA WCS, then all the sudden BOOM "NA is the (second) strongest scene, Europe needs to step up". What a wierd mentality switch all the sudden huh...
I don't know if it's hillarious or just really sad. I dared not say it when it was a hot topic at the begining of WCS 2013, but personally i loved how all three regions had alot of strong players, regardless of what nationality they were from. Better players = Better Games = Better tournaments = Better Esports for everyone.
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Mvp easy group again z_z.
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when i read the last thread wasnt there tails advance over babyknight ?
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TLADT24920 Posts
Group C is the hardest. ForGG > Throzain. Babyknight and showtime are about equal. Vortix and Nerchio on par(or so). Genius on par with MC therefore hardest group imo lol.
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Group A: Stardust and Welmu
Group B: Vortix and MC, since bbk and thorzain didn't look so strong in their ro32 groups
Group C: ForGG and Genius
Group D: MMA and duckdeok
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I am going to reveal my liquibets for you.
A: Welmu and Happy
B: MC and Vortix
C: Genius and Nerchio
D: MMA and Duckdeok
I am confident in doing this because I am only right about half of the time.
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On September 19 2013 05:39 lolfail9001 wrote:
Okay, Group C:
ForGG 1-2 Showtime
Nerchio 2-0 Genius
Nerchio 2-0 Showtime
ForGG 2-0 Genius
ForGG 1-2 Showtime.
Group D:
MMA 2-0 Starbuck
Titan 2-0 duckdeok
Titan 2-0 MMA
Starbuck 2-0 duckdeok
Starbuck 2-1 MMA.
Group A:
Happy 2 0 Targa
StarDust 2 0 Welmu
StarDust 2 1 Happy
Targa 2 1 Welmu
Targa 2 1 Happy
Group B: impossible to call, as it has 3 players who have been in WCS EU Ro8. But Thorzain 4-0s group.
Hahaha made me laugh
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On September 19 2013 06:29 Otolia wrote:
It's funny to see NA citizens come here and brag about the strength of NA ... or should I say the strength of korean on foreign teams.
My rebuttal will be this one : Production quality and entertainment.
I don't think anyone is bashing EU in general, only commenting that the playing field seems a bit weaker than NA.
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On September 19 2013 05:13 Bagi wrote:
Pretty high chance of 6 Koreans in top8 and most of them protoss.
Oh well, maybe WCS will be better next year.
Honestly I'd much rather see more koreans join EU (yo blizzard fix your fucking netcode so they don't have the ping issues anymore, when we used a global server in beta it was possible to play koreans from eu just fine, so maybe just rerouting games with a ping above 150 or smth to a global server would be a solution) so I have a reason to watch. As it is the high amount of foreigners (which usually equals a lower level of play) has me only tuning in from the ro8 onwards. I really think it's super racist to prefer foreigners over koreans even though there level of play is so much lower, especially since it seems to be literally only because they are white and speak decent english.
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On September 19 2013 05:13 Popkiller wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 05:13 Bagi wrote:
Pretty high chance of 6 Koreans in top8 and most of them protoss.
Oh well, maybe WCS will be better next year. hopefully more Koreans join EU, it's the weakest region by far, needs some more talent.
I hope not.. For me EU is the most exciting region to keep an eye on because of the lack of Koreans.
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Yeah Europe WCS are unique and that's what makes them so successful (100k for last season finals,GSL/OSL and NASL can't do better ),we don't need no sub-korean competition again (not saying we don't need some koreans to spice it up,just saying that the actual balance is perfect )
What would be great on the other hand is the actual set of player distribution+ a few Africans and middle easterners to EU (just like 2 or 3 ),and this would be sick as fuck.
I believe  cArn represented morrocco at a WGC some time ago,and he could have the level for challenger league, PandaTank could be another african representative too.
regarding middle east its gonna be a little harder,i've met a few masters in dubai/doha and most of them were foreigners that work here anyways :D
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Pathetic groups to be honest, but if they were able to beat all the big name good players in the tournament they can't be all that bad.
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This really should be the season of MMA
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United States23455 Posts
Every group has the same exact racial composition...What sort of sorcery is this.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On September 19 2013 10:01 shid0x wrote:
Yeah Europe WCS are unique and that's what makes them so successful (100k for last season finals,GSL/OSL and NASL can't do better ),we don't need no sub-korean competition again (not saying we don't need some koreans to spice it up,just saying that the actual balance is perfect )
WCS KR numbers don't include Gomplayer + Kr streams + TV (for OSL). Basically all we have is foreigner views for WCS KR, and none of the KR viewer numbers.
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On September 19 2013 11:16 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 10:01 shid0x wrote:
Yeah Europe WCS are unique and that's what makes them so successful (100k for last season finals,GSL/OSL and NASL can't do better ),we don't need no sub-korean competition again (not saying we don't need some koreans to spice it up,just saying that the actual balance is perfect )
WCS KR numbers don't include Gomplayer + Kr streams + TV (for OSL). Basically all we have is foreigner views for WCS KR, and none of the KR viewer numbers.
The pro-foreign agenda by most of foreign news writers refuse to acknowledge any statistics that goes against their beliefs.
It is very akin to Christians with creationists theories.
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Group B is the group of death? Hardly...
All these groups seem pretty straightforward on who is going to make it out (although EU seems to always have some of the best upsets :D )
GLHF to the players, should be some GGs!
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How do they choose these groups? Seems rigged to have 4 groups with exactly 2 toss 1 zerg 1 terran.
Anyways...gogogo MC time to reclaim presidency from these upstarts.
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United States23455 Posts
Perfectly balanced Koreans, races. Pretty fortuitous for us, the groups should be pretty close
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Canada16217 Posts
On September 19 2013 11:57 tdt wrote:
How do they choose these groups? Seems rigged to have 4 groups with exactly 2 toss 1 zerg 1 terran.
Anyways...gogogo MC time to reclaim presidency from these upstarts.
2 1st place finishers + 2 2nd place finishers from the ro32 groups, anyone who played against each other in the ro32 cannot be placed into the same group as the other in the ro16. Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong on any of this.
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Group D is my favourite group
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On September 19 2013 06:51 SmoKim wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 06:29 Otolia wrote:
It's funny to see NA citizens come here and brag about the strength of NA ... or should I say the strength of korean on foreign teams.
My rebuttal will be this one : Production quality and entertainment. This. Remember how much bitching and crying there was in the two first seasons? "WCS NA doesn't support the growth of NA scene" or "Koreans shouldn't be allowed to play outside their own region" etc etc. Then when some people figured out that the majority of Season 2 finals players was from the NA WCS, then all the sudden BOOM "NA is the (second) strongest scene, Europe needs to step up". What a wierd mentality switch all the sudden huh... I don't know if it's hillarious or just really sad. I dared not say it when it was a hot topic at the begining of WCS 2013, but personally i loved how all three regions had alot of strong players, regardless of what nationality they were from. Better players = Better Games = Better tournaments = Better Esports for everyone.
It's hilarious. And I dont understand how this is weaker than last season? Less fan favorites, more skill?
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On September 19 2013 08:43 BrassMonkey27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 05:13 Popkiller wrote:On September 19 2013 05:13 Bagi wrote:
Pretty high chance of 6 Koreans in top8 and most of them protoss.
Oh well, maybe WCS will be better next year. hopefully more Koreans join EU, it's the weakest region by far, needs some more talent. I hope not.. For me EU is the most exciting region to keep an eye on because of the lack of Koreans.
I agree with you.
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oooo Nerchio ForGG and 2 protoss in one group. that's going to be juicy.
gotta say I think this is Vortix's season as long as he doesn't meet up with say, MMA, in the knockout stages. definitely think he'll make a top4 run.
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MC vs Thorzain - nerd chills... bring us back to the TSL3 times!
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On September 19 2013 08:14 Lorch wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 05:13 Bagi wrote:
Pretty high chance of 6 Koreans in top8 and most of them protoss.
Oh well, maybe WCS will be better next year. Honestly I'd much rather see more koreans join EU (yo blizzard fix your fucking netcode so they don't have the ping issues anymore, when we used a global server in beta it was possible to play koreans from eu just fine, so maybe just rerouting games with a ping above 150 or smth to a global server would be a solution) so I have a reason to watch. As it is the high amount of foreigners (which usually equals a lower level of play) has me only tuning in from the ro8 onwards. I really think it's super racist to prefer foreigners over koreans even though there level of play is so much lower, especially since it seems to be literally only because they are white and speak decent english.
Just because steak is better quality food than cheese fries doesn't mean I have to like it more.
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On September 19 2013 06:29 Otolia wrote:
It's funny to see NA citizens come here and brag about the strength of NA ... or should I say the strength of korean on foreign teams.
My rebuttal will be this one : Production quality and entertainment.
WCS KR has the strongest players, something that people have said many times, yet for some reason when people say that it isn't "bragging."
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On September 19 2013 16:17 braller wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 06:29 Otolia wrote:
It's funny to see NA citizens come here and brag about the strength of NA ... or should I say the strength of korean on foreign teams.
My rebuttal will be this one : Production quality and entertainment. WCS KR has the strongest players, something that people have said many times, yet for some reason when people say that it isn't "bragging."
Because almost nobody posts on here from Korea, and the people that do don't need to brag about it because everybody knows it's true anyways.
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Will be interesting at least a few foreigners stand a chance to advance.
My predictions:
A: Stardust, Welmu
B: Vortix ,MC (Happy)
C: ForGG, Nerchio
D: Duckdeok, MMA
Well, at least we gonna see some foreigner vs. korean action here. Not like AM , witch is actually a WCS KR2 ...
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Is it a coincidence that there are 2P 1Z 1T in every group or were those groups intentionally designed?
Anyway, my wishful predictions:
A: Happy - Welmu
B: Vortix - Thorzain
C: Nerchio - Genius
D: MMA - Titan
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I really hope more Koreans join WCS EU. We have very good players. Some are capable of taking down Koreans in all of their match ups and we have some players that can take down Koreans in their prime match up. Lots of good European players did really blow the ball this season.
Naniwa/TLO/Grubby/LucifroN/HasuObs ... they all seem to have performed below their standard level of play. I am not trying to bash them, I am really just suprised. One main point the Koreans are simply superior to non Koreans is consistency. You really don't have that many players in Korea that are shaky in their play. Obviously you have less consistency in them placing high, but thats due to insane skill levels in Korea moreso than them being shaky in their play.
There are exceptions, but less frequently than in Europe and America. anyways, looking forward to see how my Terran folks can do
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On September 19 2013 17:47 NarutO wrote:
I really hope more Koreans join WCS EU. We have very good players. Some are capable of taking down Koreans in all of their match ups and we have some players that can take down Koreans in their prime match up. Lots of good European players did really blow the ball this season.
Naniwa/TLO/Grubby/LucifroN/HasuObs ... they all seem to have performed below their standard level of play. I am not trying to bash them, I am really just suprised. One main point the Koreans are simply superior to non Koreans is consistency. You really don't have that many players in Korea that are shaky in their play. Obviously you have less consistency in them placing high, but thats due to insane skill levels in Korea moreso than them being shaky in their play.
There are exceptions, but less frequently than in Europe and America. anyways, looking forward to see how my Terran folks can do
Not sure what you are talking about, all the players are inconsistent in bigger tournaments beause that's how Starcraft2 works. Just look at Bomber, Life, DRG who are up and down all the time. Also bringing more koreans to europe will kill the scene and Starcraft2 with it. Imagine let's say if some 2 semi-good koreans came to europe and decided they want to play all day and take part in the tournaments including on-line ones leaving foreigners with no money sustain and there is a lot of them(mostly from ukraine/russia) that still play just because they can get that money.
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On September 19 2013 17:59 Nerchio wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 17:47 NarutO wrote:
I really hope more Koreans join WCS EU. We have very good players. Some are capable of taking down Koreans in all of their match ups and we have some players that can take down Koreans in their prime match up. Lots of good European players did really blow the ball this season.
Naniwa/TLO/Grubby/LucifroN/HasuObs ... they all seem to have performed below their standard level of play. I am not trying to bash them, I am really just suprised. One main point the Koreans are simply superior to non Koreans is consistency. You really don't have that many players in Korea that are shaky in their play. Obviously you have less consistency in them placing high, but thats due to insane skill levels in Korea moreso than them being shaky in their play.
There are exceptions, but less frequently than in Europe and America. anyways, looking forward to see how my Terran folks can do Not sure what you are talking about, all the players are inconsistent in bigger tournaments beause that's how Starcraft2 works. Just look at Bomber, Life, DRG who are up and down all the time. Also bringing more koreans to europe will kill the scene and Starcraft2 with it. Imagine let's say if some 2 semi-good koreans came to europe and decided they want to play all day and take part in the tournaments including on-line ones leaving foreigners with no money sustain and there is a lot of them(mostly from ukraine/russia) that still play just because they can get that money.
You read my post so I am not sure why you point out Bomber, Life and DRG. Besides the standard volatility in results of Starcraft 2 games, there are players that are most stable and consistent compared to others. In addition I mentioned that the lack of consistency in Korea comes from
a) volatility of the game
b) skill difference being smaller
If you would send (as you said) good Koreans to Europe, they will perform better on average compared to non-Koreans. Not just because they are better, but also because they are better on average. They are more likely to perform well and more likely to perform better the higher the boX gets.
Also, I care about the highest level of play so while you have concerns about your future which I can completely relate to, I still want to see good players as often as possible, if this means more Koreans and fewer foreign players, I don't mind it at all.
That is not me saying I don't want to see foreign players. You are not my race but if you perform well against a good Korean, I am happy, because I think you deserve your time in the spotlight. Likewise I do like if HasuObs, Grubby or LucifroN do well against Koreans, but I don't think just because its WCS Europe, Europeans are entitled to that money. I believe they should have a hard time when they participate in such a high value league with the chance of global finals.
I don't want to see america and europe send 5/6 players each only to get the floor mobbed with at the Global Finals. I want the foreigners we sent to be worthy. I can name a few that would stand a chance even against good Koreans, those are rare but thats what makes it very cool to cheer for them, because they deserve the cheers (just my opinion)
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On September 19 2013 18:06 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 17:59 Nerchio wrote:On September 19 2013 17:47 NarutO wrote:
I really hope more Koreans join WCS EU. We have very good players. Some are capable of taking down Koreans in all of their match ups and we have some players that can take down Koreans in their prime match up. Lots of good European players did really blow the ball this season.
Naniwa/TLO/Grubby/LucifroN/HasuObs ... they all seem to have performed below their standard level of play. I am not trying to bash them, I am really just suprised. One main point the Koreans are simply superior to non Koreans is consistency. You really don't have that many players in Korea that are shaky in their play. Obviously you have less consistency in them placing high, but thats due to insane skill levels in Korea moreso than them being shaky in their play.
There are exceptions, but less frequently than in Europe and America. anyways, looking forward to see how my Terran folks can do Not sure what you are talking about, all the players are inconsistent in bigger tournaments beause that's how Starcraft2 works. Just look at Bomber, Life, DRG who are up and down all the time. Also bringing more koreans to europe will kill the scene and Starcraft2 with it. Imagine let's say if some 2 semi-good koreans came to europe and decided they want to play all day and take part in the tournaments including on-line ones leaving foreigners with no money sustain and there is a lot of them(mostly from ukraine/russia) that still play just because they can get that money. You read my post so I am not sure why you point out Bomber, Life and DRG. Besides the standard volatility in results of Starcraft 2 games, there are players that are most stable and consistent compared to others. In addition I mentioned that the lack of consistency in Korea comes from a) volatility of the game b) skill difference being smaller If you would send (as you said) good Koreans to Europe, they will perform better on average compared to non-Koreans. Not just because they are better, but also because they are better on average. They are more likely to perform well and more likely to perform better the higher the boX gets. Also, I care about the highest level of play so while you have concerns about your future which I can completely relate to, I still want to see good players as often as possible, if this means more Koreans and fewer foreign players, I don't mind it at all.
For some reason I ignored the second part of your post in my brain but obviously they will be more consistent. What i don't understand is that you have Koreans playing in every region except EU and they all take part in non-WCS tournaments and yet you still want them to see in 1 tournament where foreigners can win something. People say they want to see the best games but sometimes it would be good if we saw something else as well. I hope you don't want to tell Kas you don't care about his sacrafice for the game just because he is not as good as Koreans?
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I edited my post, you might want to read the edit as well. In fact, I would love to see more foreign events. I mean - foreign events for foreign players. European and American events. Smaller events with a pricepool that its worth fighting for but is enough to make progamers able to live their dream and sustain themselves.
I simply believe the biggest stage should not be locked from other players. If I had the money I would totally copy TotalBusicuit and Shoutcraft for Europe. I would run leagues with pricemoney in Europe. Unfortunately I am not a company. I don't want the foreign scene to d ie, I simply want the bigger stages (Dreamhack, WCS, MLG, IEM) to be open to anyone, while I want smaller tournaments (pricepool 5000€ .. maybe?) seperately for foreigners.
I hope you understand my point. I acknowledge all of the foreign players who put in a shit ton of work and I am not saying "step up your game, you suck". I know in fact a lot are working hard so I would never take away credit from them. I was very sad with Kas yesterday, but thats the life of a progamer. I simply wish there would be more tournaments with smaller prices.
Btw: Didn't you just win 2000$ ?  And you can manage to get through that group as well, making it 3500$ :D!
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best players from NA: Liquid Taeja, EG Jaedong, Acer Scarlett, CM Polt, Liquid Hero
best players from KR: So many (i hope Flash is doing well this season)
Scarlett reminds me of Stephano. We need more experience players. That's why i miss season 1.
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I also think that Koreans in WCS Europe is not something we should watch - so any climatic. That's why WCS of each region is the elimination no main event, where all the best players from each continent meet. It's like letting Spain play in Africa football cup.
Well, some of Koreans live here for longer period of time. So let's say that's it's fine then. But coming to Europe just to beat some medium players (in their opinion) is not fair.
They can make more seeds from Korean region or something.
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Heart:
Group A: Stardust and Welmu
Group B: MC and Vortix
Group C: ForGG and Genius
Group D: MMA and Duckdeok
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My predictions for these groups are:
Group A
Welmu and Stardust
Group B
Babyknight and Thorzain
Group C
ForGG and Showtime
Group D
MMA and duckdeok
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On September 19 2013 12:40 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 11:57 tdt wrote:
How do they choose these groups? Seems rigged to have 4 groups with exactly 2 toss 1 zerg 1 terran.
Anyways...gogogo MC time to reclaim presidency from these upstarts. 2 1st place finishers + 2 2nd place finishers from the ro32 groups, anyone who played against each other in the ro32 cannot be placed into the same group as the other in the ro16. Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong on any of this.
That seems to be correct at first glance and how it should be, but I would also expect a fixed format.
Like group A in Ro16 consist of 1st place A and B and 2nd place C and D of Ro32.
I compared EU with KR and they have different setups it seems so i'm guessing they just wing it?
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TL user logic: group b has lots of recognizable names so its probably the hardest group
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On September 20 2013 00:26 DinosaurPoop wrote:
TL user logic: group b has lots of recognizable names so its probably the hardest group
It's the weakest judged by average Aligulac points. Aligulac knows.
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On September 20 2013 00:26 DinosaurPoop wrote:
TL user logic: group b has lots of recognizable names so its probably the hardest group
Probably weaker than D and C at least. But people see Thorzain and MC and think 2011/2012 Thorzain and MC.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 20 2013 00:26 DinosaurPoop wrote:
TL user logic: group b has lots of recognizable names so its probably the hardest group
It is hardest to predict. You can predict possible outcomes of other groups judging by nobody will get to Ro8 thingy, yet Group B has 3 of 'em.
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On September 20 2013 01:42 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2013 00:26 DinosaurPoop wrote:
TL user logic: group b has lots of recognizable names so its probably the hardest group It is hardest to predict. You can predict possible outcomes of other groups judging by nobody will get to Ro8 thingy, yet Group B has 3 of 'em.
Wait so hardest group simply means hardest to predict?
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I think MMA is a the favorite here ?
He can win, it would make me so happy <3
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These groups looks so uninteresting.
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Where are all the Koreans?
Europe and America are Korean qualifier regions #2 and #3. The easy money grabs, as they say.
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I hope it's gonna be ShoWTimE !!!!!
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Group D definitly Group of Death...there is duckdeok, the reigning champion, MMA who is slowely coming back, Titan who is a great toss in my opinion, and Starbuck, a 16 Year old, who is INSANELY GOOD vP and also has beeten Lucifron in one of the most exciting Series in WCS so far. SO there everything can happen, but i think MMA/ duckdeok will advance but both other two are able to pull of an upset ( again) will enjoy it .) Also i dunno what toio exxpect from tHorzain who is now Parttime. Overall I am expecting Stardust to win it all
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SPOIL
VortiX beats BabyKnight 2-0 and then goes to the winner match. He faces MC and beat him 2 - 0 just like last year.
He then enter the round of 8. He beats Genius 3 - 0 there, then explodes Stardust 3 - 0 as well in the semifinals, and defeats MMA 3 - 0 in the grand finals. Only 3 - 0 because Carmak will say after the third game there is no need to go on a fourth game because VortiX is just on a way higher level.
VortiX is happy, he is going to say that he has done it for spain and that he loves all his fans. He will say that he is good friend with ViPro and he hopes he will meet them in the season 3 finals. Kaelaris will explain him that its unfortunately impossible as ViPro isnt even ranked in the WCS standings. VortiX will then say to Kaelaris that its wrong, and he will understand at the S3 finals. Kaelaris will be confused and everybody will then celebrate VortiX's victory in a cool bar in Cologne.
Everybody will say VortiX is the new hero but that unfortunately, he stands no chances vs Innovation, Taeja, Life, or Tarrantius.
VortiX will then enter the S3 finals by going undefeated in his pool, murdering Jaedong and Tilea 2 - 0 both. He will then face Bomber in the RO8 and beat him 3 - 0 as well. In the semi finals, VortiX will face Innovation, and here is what happens.
In front of all the cameras of the world, Innovation is going to take off the mask he has been wearing for monthes, and reveal he is actually ViPro. VortiX will be super happy and ViPro too, leaving the whole SC2 community in the biggest state of confusion humanly possible. IncontroL will however reveal that he knew everything since the beginning as he was spoiled by Slasher but he prevent him from revealing it to the whole community by offering him a contract with EG.
Unfortunately for ViPro, VortiX will beat him in less than 20 min, with two 6 pools and one roach all ins. ViPro will say he is disapointed but he hopes VortiX will win the finals.
The other semifinals will be Taeja vs Targa (Targa replaces MMA who is unable to attend. Targa was considered the best player to replace MMA). Taeja will win by a narrow 3 - 2 and face VortiX in the grand finals.
Unfortunately, Taeja will once more be no match for VortiX, who will violently dismember him by a 4 - 0 win. VortiX will celebrate once again, and Artosis will tell us its cool because VortiX is the only foreigner to have won two premier tournaments in 2013 so far, and moreover, he is qualified for Blizzcon.
VortiX will thank all his fans and his family and say he is very happy to be the champion but now he has to go back to Spain fastly because he has exams tomorrow.
Between the S3 finals and Blizzcon, VortiX will be invited at the Iron Squid III and we easily go to the semifinals, toping his group 4 - 0 with victories against Goswser and DRG, and beating Creator 3 - 0 in the round of 8 and Life 3 - 1 in the semifinals.
He will be received in Paris as a living god, the whole crowd (more than 5000 people) wont stop chearing "VAMOS VORTIX !!! VAMOS VORTIX !!! VAMOS VORTIX !!!) so loudly that Thud will ask the whole crowd to stop chearing otherwise the roof could blow up. However, as the crowd wont want to stop chearing, VortiX will be forced to play his matches under the cheers of the french fans. Upon reaching the finals by defeating Innovation 3 - 0, some people in the crowd will take their clothes off and throw it at VortiX, and some ladies will run to the stage to kiss him, only to be waged by the security.
In the finals, VortiX will easily beat Naniwa 4 - 0 and claim the title of Iron Squid III champion.
He will then reveal he forfeits blizzcon because he has exams tomorrow.
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On September 22 2013 02:51 KingMel wrote:
SPOIL
VortiX beats BabyKnight 2-0 and then goes to the winner match. He faces MC and beat him 2 - 0 just like last year.
He then enter the round of 8. He beats Genius 3 - 0 there, then explodes Stardust 3 - 0 as well in the semifinals, and defeats MMA 3 - 0 in the grand finals. Only 3 - 0 because Carmak will say after the third game there is no need to go on a fourth game because VortiX is just on a way higher level.
VortiX is happy, he is going to say that he has done it for spain and that he loves all his fans. He will say that he is good friend with ViPro and he hopes he will meet them in the season 3 finals. Kaelaris will explain him that its unfortunately impossible as ViPro isnt even ranked in the WCS standings. VortiX will then say to Kaelaris that its wrong, and he will understand at the S3 finals. Kaelaris will be confused and everybody will then celebrate VortiX's victory in a cool bar in Cologne.
Everybody will say VortiX is the new hero but that unfortunately, he stands no chances vs Innovation, Taeja, Life, or Tarrantius.
VortiX will then enter the S3 finals by going undefeated in his pool, murdering Jaedong and Tilea 2 - 0 both. He will then face Bomber in the RO8 and beat him 3 - 0 as well. In the semi finals, VortiX will face Innovation, and here is what happens.
In front of all the cameras of the world, Innovation is going to take off the mask he has been wearing for monthes, and reveal he is actually ViPro. VortiX will be super happy and ViPro too, leaving the whole SC2 community in the biggest state of confusion humanly possible. IncontroL will however reveal that he knew everything since the beginning as he was spoiled by Slasher but he prevent him from revealing it to the whole community by offering him a contract with EG.
Unfortunately for ViPro, VortiX will beat him in less than 20 min, with two 6 pools and one roach all ins. ViPro will say he is disapointed but he hopes VortiX will win the finals.
The other semifinals will be Taeja vs Targa (Targa replaces MMA who is unable to attend. Targa was considered the best player to replace MMA). Taeja will win by a narrow 3 - 2 and face VortiX in the grand finals.
Unfortunately, Taeja will once more be no match for VortiX, who will violently dismember him by a 4 - 0 win. VortiX will celebrate once again, and Artosis will tell us its cool because VortiX is the only foreigner to have won two premier tournaments in 2013 so far, and moreover, he is qualified for Blizzcon.
VortiX will thank all his fans and his family and say he is very happy to be the champion but now he has to go back to Spain fastly because he has exams tomorrow.
Between the S3 finals and Blizzcon, VortiX will be invited at the Iron Squid III and we easily go to the semifinals, toping his group 4 - 0 with victories against Goswser and DRG, and beating Creator 3 - 0 in the round of 8 and Life 3 - 1 in the semifinals.
He will be received in Paris as a living god, the whole crowd (more than 5000 people) wont stop chearing "VAMOS VORTIX !!! VAMOS VORTIX !!! VAMOS VORTIX !!!) so loudly that Thud will ask the whole crowd to stop chearing otherwise the roof could blow up. However, as the crowd wont want to stop chearing, VortiX will be forced to play his matches under the cheers of the french fans. Upon reaching the finals by defeating Innovation 3 - 0, some people in the crowd will take their clothes off and throw it at VortiX, and some ladies will run to the stage to kiss him, only to be waged by the security.
In the finals, VortiX will easily beat Naniwa 4 - 0 and claim the title of Iron Squid III champion.
He will then reveal he forfeits blizzcon because he has exams tomorrow.
ALL the foreigners will go down to the first Korean they meet, because Koreans are great people that deserve to win EVERYTHING ALL THE TIME!
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 22 2013 22:27 TaishiCi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 02:51 KingMel wrote:
SPOIL
VortiX beats BabyKnight 2-0 and then goes to the winner match. He faces MC and beat him 2 - 0 just like last year.
He then enter the round of 8. He beats Genius 3 - 0 there, then explodes Stardust 3 - 0 as well in the semifinals, and defeats MMA 3 - 0 in the grand finals. Only 3 - 0 because Carmak will say after the third game there is no need to go on a fourth game because VortiX is just on a way higher level.
VortiX is happy, he is going to say that he has done it for spain and that he loves all his fans. He will say that he is good friend with ViPro and he hopes he will meet them in the season 3 finals. Kaelaris will explain him that its unfortunately impossible as ViPro isnt even ranked in the WCS standings. VortiX will then say to Kaelaris that its wrong, and he will understand at the S3 finals. Kaelaris will be confused and everybody will then celebrate VortiX's victory in a cool bar in Cologne.
Everybody will say VortiX is the new hero but that unfortunately, he stands no chances vs Innovation, Taeja, Life, or Tarrantius.
VortiX will then enter the S3 finals by going undefeated in his pool, murdering Jaedong and Tilea 2 - 0 both. He will then face Bomber in the RO8 and beat him 3 - 0 as well. In the semi finals, VortiX will face Innovation, and here is what happens.
In front of all the cameras of the world, Innovation is going to take off the mask he has been wearing for monthes, and reveal he is actually ViPro. VortiX will be super happy and ViPro too, leaving the whole SC2 community in the biggest state of confusion humanly possible. IncontroL will however reveal that he knew everything since the beginning as he was spoiled by Slasher but he prevent him from revealing it to the whole community by offering him a contract with EG.
Unfortunately for ViPro, VortiX will beat him in less than 20 min, with two 6 pools and one roach all ins. ViPro will say he is disapointed but he hopes VortiX will win the finals.
The other semifinals will be Taeja vs Targa (Targa replaces MMA who is unable to attend. Targa was considered the best player to replace MMA). Taeja will win by a narrow 3 - 2 and face VortiX in the grand finals.
Unfortunately, Taeja will once more be no match for VortiX, who will violently dismember him by a 4 - 0 win. VortiX will celebrate once again, and Artosis will tell us its cool because VortiX is the only foreigner to have won two premier tournaments in 2013 so far, and moreover, he is qualified for Blizzcon.
VortiX will thank all his fans and his family and say he is very happy to be the champion but now he has to go back to Spain fastly because he has exams tomorrow.
Between the S3 finals and Blizzcon, VortiX will be invited at the Iron Squid III and we easily go to the semifinals, toping his group 4 - 0 with victories against Goswser and DRG, and beating Creator 3 - 0 in the round of 8 and Life 3 - 1 in the semifinals.
He will be received in Paris as a living god, the whole crowd (more than 5000 people) wont stop chearing "VAMOS VORTIX !!! VAMOS VORTIX !!! VAMOS VORTIX !!!) so loudly that Thud will ask the whole crowd to stop chearing otherwise the roof could blow up. However, as the crowd wont want to stop chearing, VortiX will be forced to play his matches under the cheers of the french fans. Upon reaching the finals by defeating Innovation 3 - 0, some people in the crowd will take their clothes off and throw it at VortiX, and some ladies will run to the stage to kiss him, only to be waged by the security.
In the finals, VortiX will easily beat Naniwa 4 - 0 and claim the title of Iron Squid III champion.
He will then reveal he forfeits blizzcon because he has exams tomorrow. ALL the foreigners will go down to the first Korean they meet, because Koreans are great people that deserve to win EVERYTHING ALL THE TIME!
This guy makes me chuckle.
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