EPTOn September 02 2013 22:51 Thruth wrote:
That MC zerg bias. The game totally isn't like this.
That MC zerg bias. The game totally isn't like this.
Oh my, opinion of MC, a PROTOSS progamer, vs some casual forum goes, who to believe who to believe.
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1Dhalism
862 Posts
Oh my, opinion of MC, a PROTOSS progamer, vs some casual forum goes, who to believe who to believe. | ||
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SinO[Ob]
France898 Posts
And MC awesome man! <3 | ||
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mtn
729 Posts
On September 03 2013 00:05 SinO[Ob] wrote: I think ppl care yoo much about numbers. Just love and follow the game. Every game which is growing is a good thing for e-sport. Event if starcraft 2 is not in the front of the scene anymore, you cant just erase it like that :D. Too much ppl caring about it! And MC awesome man! <3 Its not about sc2 not being no.1 anymore, or that u just can ignore everything and say to love and follow the game. IF THE GAME, can become better, then there is no reason to " just love and follow ". MC did bring up some great points and hopefully someone from blizz reads forums. | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
On September 03 2013 00:05 SinO[Ob] wrote: I think ppl care yoo much about numbers. Just love and follow the game. Every game which is growing is a good thing for e-sport. Event if starcraft 2 is not in the front of the scene anymore, you cant just erase it like that :D. Too much ppl caring about it! And MC awesome man! <3 This is the kind of complacency that led us to this point in the first place. | ||
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iFVeritas
Ireland29 Posts
Also have to give some love to MC. He is one of a few Pros who actually cares about the game and the community instead of only the coinz he can made out of it <3 | ||
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Blacklizard
United States1194 Posts
The game- Widowmines + bio seem a little too dominant in TvZ. Originally I suggested Blizzard to make the widowmine easier to see for Zerg... they went the way of overseer speed buff, but the way I would do it is make their burrowed graphics extremely extremely obvious. So even if you don't have an overseer around, you see what the widowmines are up to and don't lose idle infestors or whatnot to leftover mines. Another idea I've run into- what if scans did not detect burrow? Probably they should still detect cloak above ground (DT, observer, and banshee), but if Terran had to build ravens to deal with burrowed banes and even regular zerg units, I think it would give Zerg enough time early on to not let the bio widowmine train get all over them. It would open up opportunities for 1. mutas to be more important and 2. possibly things like burrowed roach drop harassment. 3. defensively, ultras and infestors could be burrowed if ganged up on by bio if no raven is nearby. Infestors could move away, making them even more powerful. 4. burrowed infestors more easily support broodlords How could it negatively affect early TvZ? T would need to rush raven or build a couple of turrets to prevent burrowed roach harassment. Combine turrets with a tank and I think Terran has an opener to handle it. Or maybe quick raven into banshee. What about burrowed banes preventing Terran aggression? Extreme marine spreading would work, but put you at risk against speedlings. Medivac drops would still bypass burrowed banes just fine. Swapping a techlab and reactor after making one raven seems OK, too. Killing creep tumors? A raven is legitimate here I hope, but this is possibly my biggest worry. If creep spread gets really out of hand, Zerg got a huge lead in WoL at least. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 03 2013 00:13 iFVeritas wrote: Thanks for the translation. I have to agree with MC in all of this points. Wonder why he dont say anything about mirror matchups. Also have to give some love to MC. He is one of a few Pros who actually cares about the game and the community instead of only the coinz he can made out of it <3 Because suddenly mirrors and PvZ is the exact thing Blizz apparently made good. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On September 02 2013 23:33 ETisME wrote: I find your comments such as losing drones mean nothing when zerg can just rebuild them with a round of drones are a lot more simplistic and wrong. I would trust the guy who is a full time Pro playing at KR for one of the best teams in GSTL than just an obviously terran biased teamliquid forum user I have a memory lapse, please remind me what happened in the Whirlwind game between Bomber and Scarlett at the WCS global finals? And of course you will prefer his version since it matches your point of view—which, no doubt, is totally clear of bias... | ||
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Deawesome1
United States14 Posts
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liberate71
Australia10252 Posts
On September 03 2013 00:13 iFVeritas wrote: Thanks for the translation. I have to agree with MC in all of this points. Wonder why he dont say anything about mirror matchups. Also have to give some love to MC. He is one of a few Pros who actually cares about the game and the community instead of only the coinz he can made out of it <3 Seems a very general statement. But yeh - MC speaks like a bosstoss as per usual! hopefully someone takes note. | ||
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Aquila-
516 Posts
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SinO[Ob]
France898 Posts
On September 03 2013 00:12 ch33psh33p wrote: This is the kind of complacency that led us to this point in the first place. First, talking like a hero is different than being a hero. If you love the game and try to make it better it will happen. My message is especially to make ppl think positively. Cause when you do smthg with your head full of "it can happen" it will go further than if you just whine cause this or this made another huge viewers number or try to prevent some cataclysm cause some ppl retire nor the game unbalanced right now. Theres a flow of negativity in SC2 scene that happen for no reason. This game will continue his way, I'm confident. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 03 2013 00:23 Aquila- wrote: I have to say the words about TvZ are pretty biased towards Zerg. It is true that Zerg can only make one viable composition, but same goes for Terran, it is Biomine every single game. How do we solve this and the stagnant metagame in general? By making mech a viable strategy! That would also lead to the Zerg beeing able to use other units like Vipers more and we would have a more diverse playing and viewing experience. You forget that pro-gamers like to choose composition that is BETTER. So should we make mech viable as separate strategy we will be stuck on MMMM or mech (depending what will turn out better) most of time anyway. Making mech transitions in late-game viable IS the way to go IMO. | ||
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highsis
259 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On September 03 2013 00:33 SinO[Ob] wrote: First, talking like a hero is different than being a hero. If you love the game and try to make it better it will happen. My message is especially to make ppl think positively. Cause when you do smthg with your head full of "it can happen" it will go further than if you just whine cause this or this made another huge viewers number or try to prevent some cataclysm cause some ppl retire nor the game unbalanced right now. Theres a flow of negativity in SC2 scene that happen for no reason. This game will continue his way, I'm confident. Where have you been for the past while? And have you even read the OP yet? It is rather fatuous for one to contemplate this way with various recent events occurring. The ideology of irrational positivity only leads to severe disasters. One have to call it as he sees it so the "scene" can ameliorate to the fullest extent. | ||
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IcookTacos
Sweden295 Posts
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SinO[Ob]
France898 Posts
On September 03 2013 00:37 Xiphos wrote: Where have you been for the past while? And have you even read the OP yet? It is rather fatuous for one to contemplate this way with various recent events occurring. The ideology of irrational positivity only leads to severe disasters. One have to call it as he sees it so the "scene" can ameliorate to the fullest extent. Dude, if you solve your problems by crying for 10h before thats your problem, but I think you misunderstood my point. I didnt say to go blindly or put aside problems, but seeing them with the right mind set to solve those quicly. | ||
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stuneedsfood
45 Posts
Anyone who wishes to return to the days of late 2012 TvZ is dead wrong, IMO. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 03 2013 00:44 stuneedsfood wrote: He seems to wish we could go back to the TvZ of WoL. As far as I recall, most of us in late 2012 were agreed that the current state of TvZ was an absolute joke, the least dynamic and entertaining the match up has ever been (well, aside from WoL beta). Anyone who wishes to return to the days of late 2012 TvZ is dead wrong, IMO. Try late 2011 TvZ. jjakji vs Leenock game 1 never forget! | ||
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Jermstuddog
United States2231 Posts
Voidrays with any splash support is disgustingly effective vs anything and everything zerg has at their disposal. The only difference between this and the parade pushes we see is Protoss has to get there first, and the early game is very varied. | ||
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