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On August 27 2013 17:03 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2013 16:42 hearters wrote:On August 27 2013 16:18 lichter wrote:On August 27 2013 16:14 Emzeeshady wrote:On August 27 2013 16:12 samurai80 wrote: Seeing how TvZ can be hard for Z now makes Scarlett's performance at WCS world finals even more impressive. Probably even more impressive than what did Stephano at his best. Its up there for sure. I don't even know how she does it really and it seems other Zergs have no clue as well  That hot sticky creep spread, baby Did you see Jaedong's creep spread in the finals? It was outrageously good. But still no match for terran. It proved that really good 4M beats muta ling bane completely, even on creep. In fact, I was really impressed by the speed of Jaedong's creep spread, and was surprised that I didn't even notice commentators mentioning it at all. That made the 4M attack even more frustrating TBH. Yeah it was kind of insane how amazing that Creep spread was and Bomber decided to fuck it and attack on creep. It didn't even matter.
JD was pushing creep with several tumors on 5 different fronts.
But you don't let a terran 3 CC 2 engie bay and survive long enough to brag about creep spread.
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On August 27 2013 17:44 saddaromma wrote: I always wondered why players don't make 5-6 overseers and disable enemy's production. I hope it might happen with this patch.
Using simple calculations, you need 7 overseers(assuming good timing), to constantly contaminate one production building.
Not worth it, micro-wise or resource-wise. It's only real use is to delay reinforcements after you wipe out an army IMO.
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On August 27 2013 17:44 Douillos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2013 17:03 Incognoto wrote:On August 27 2013 16:42 hearters wrote:On August 27 2013 16:18 lichter wrote:On August 27 2013 16:14 Emzeeshady wrote:On August 27 2013 16:12 samurai80 wrote: Seeing how TvZ can be hard for Z now makes Scarlett's performance at WCS world finals even more impressive. Probably even more impressive than what did Stephano at his best. Its up there for sure. I don't even know how she does it really and it seems other Zergs have no clue as well  That hot sticky creep spread, baby Did you see Jaedong's creep spread in the finals? It was outrageously good. But still no match for terran. It proved that really good 4M beats muta ling bane completely, even on creep. In fact, I was really impressed by the speed of Jaedong's creep spread, and was surprised that I didn't even notice commentators mentioning it at all. That made the 4M attack even more frustrating TBH. Yeah it was kind of insane how amazing that Creep spread was and Bomber decided to fuck it and attack on creep. It didn't even matter. JD was pushing creep with several tumors on 5 different fronts. But you don't let a terran 3 CC 2 engie bay and survive long enough to brag about creep spread.
If only 3 CC with a few tanks was punishable.
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While overall a small buff, I consider this change great because the overseer gets much more use with speed research. Currently I am always asking myself if I should research speed or rather morph an overseer. Now it is worthwhile to do both quite early. I like to be able to scout enemy bases
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On August 27 2013 17:55 hearters wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2013 17:44 Douillos wrote:On August 27 2013 17:03 Incognoto wrote:On August 27 2013 16:42 hearters wrote:On August 27 2013 16:18 lichter wrote:On August 27 2013 16:14 Emzeeshady wrote:On August 27 2013 16:12 samurai80 wrote: Seeing how TvZ can be hard for Z now makes Scarlett's performance at WCS world finals even more impressive. Probably even more impressive than what did Stephano at his best. Its up there for sure. I don't even know how she does it really and it seems other Zergs have no clue as well  That hot sticky creep spread, baby Did you see Jaedong's creep spread in the finals? It was outrageously good. But still no match for terran. It proved that really good 4M beats muta ling bane completely, even on creep. In fact, I was really impressed by the speed of Jaedong's creep spread, and was surprised that I didn't even notice commentators mentioning it at all. That made the 4M attack even more frustrating TBH. Yeah it was kind of insane how amazing that Creep spread was and Bomber decided to fuck it and attack on creep. It didn't even matter. JD was pushing creep with several tumors on 5 different fronts. But you don't let a terran 3 CC 2 engie bay and survive long enough to brag about creep spread. If only 3 CC with a few tanks was punishable.
Like Scarlett punished bomber 2 times in a row?
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Why do I need vikings when I cant kill with them anything? I cant kill prism, now I cant prevend zerg from scouting.. gosh
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On August 27 2013 18:12 agfoxGnom wrote: Why do I need vikings when I cant kill with them anything? I cant kill prism, now I cant prevend zerg from scouting.. gosh
Vikings have 9 range, that's a huge area you can essentially block off. And you can still easily kill speedseers during the battle, it's more a case of being able to catch up quicker with overseers and not constantly having to reproduce overseers left and right.
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You need Vikings to kill Colossus, d'oh!
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On August 27 2013 04:22 lolfail9001 wrote: Fine change, though it would be hilarious if some terran would start trying to catch overseer, thinking it is slower than stimmed marines and ran right into 2 banelings :D.
can we all just stop what we are doing right now and read what this man just wrote.
i truly am grateful some have the foresight for such truly poignant eventualities.
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On August 27 2013 04:19 iLevitate wrote:As mc once said : Flying maphavk  ) which is terribly ironic considering he plays the race which has the observer.
The thing about maphacks that can make them very strong is you don't know the opponent has them — it's the same thing with observers — an observer that's not moving is extremely hard to notice, and it can be used to spot key positional changes without zerg being aware of what's going on.
Obviously observers aren't spread all around the map or too frequently around the opponent's main base (or army) near the late game due to costs and risk of death, but that doesn't mean it isn't very helpful sometimes still. It's not like overseers are spread around the map any more than observers either I think (although with changelings that's not the case)
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What about Protoss players in PvZ 
Otherwise, good change I guess.
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There is nothing "great" about the widowmine anyway. Macro terran will beat macro zerg with it, because its a cheap "all or nothing" throw away unit. It´s worse than a tank in friendly fire, and it its just place , and cross fingers.
Remembering BoxxeR caring about every god damn marine in his service makes me sad to watch current TvZ because its all throw away...rebuild and overwhelm with cost effective units. So terran has become the better Zerg.
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On August 27 2013 17:55 hearters wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2013 17:44 Douillos wrote:On August 27 2013 17:03 Incognoto wrote:On August 27 2013 16:42 hearters wrote:On August 27 2013 16:18 lichter wrote:On August 27 2013 16:14 Emzeeshady wrote:On August 27 2013 16:12 samurai80 wrote: Seeing how TvZ can be hard for Z now makes Scarlett's performance at WCS world finals even more impressive. Probably even more impressive than what did Stephano at his best. Its up there for sure. I don't even know how she does it really and it seems other Zergs have no clue as well  That hot sticky creep spread, baby Did you see Jaedong's creep spread in the finals? It was outrageously good. But still no match for terran. It proved that really good 4M beats muta ling bane completely, even on creep. In fact, I was really impressed by the speed of Jaedong's creep spread, and was surprised that I didn't even notice commentators mentioning it at all. That made the 4M attack even more frustrating TBH. Yeah it was kind of insane how amazing that Creep spread was and Bomber decided to fuck it and attack on creep. It didn't even matter. JD was pushing creep with several tumors on 5 different fronts. But you don't let a terran 3 CC 2 engie bay and survive long enough to brag about creep spread. If only 3 CC with a few tanks was punishable. You have time until 2/2 finishes, use that time.
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Can't they do something about mines?
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On August 27 2013 18:12 agfoxGnom wrote: Why do I need vikings when I cant kill with them anything? I cant kill prism, now I cant prevend zerg from scouting.. gosh ... and a zerg cannot prevent you from scouting either :D
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overseer speed buff is kinda okeish .. its not really big but i this will help #1 help zerg micro a little better vs widow mines since it is able to keep up with the ling bling a little bit #2 it will allow mutalisk to scout and harass a little better without the fear of blindy diving towards mines #3 possible contaminate strategies on robo of toss #4 help zerg scout better without the risk of it dying
i am glad blizz is thinking of making mech viable so that terran have variaty and possible bio-mech mix
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Relax dudes, it's ok. Nice patch.
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On August 27 2013 20:32 goody153 wrote: overseer speed buff is kinda okeish .. its not really big but i this will help #1 help zerg micro a little better vs widow mines since it is able to keep up with the ling bling a little bit #2 it will allow mutalisk to scout and harass a little better without the fear of blindy diving towards mines #3 possible contaminate strategies on robo of toss #4 help zerg scout better without the risk of it dying
i am glad blizz is thinking of making mech viable so that terran have variaty and possible bio-mech mix
I dont know about 3. Giving overseer speed buff after the upgrade doesn't really make its energy goes any faster. It will still take forever to get 125 energy.
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I'm Terran and when I read avilo say that the game is fine, I know that there is definitely something too strong with Terran haha :D
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