Upcoming Balance Patch (Overseer) - Page 18

On August 30 2013 00:26 Olferen wrote:


That costs 300 minerals and last for a few seconds

On August 30 2013 00:04 Big J wrote:


well, apart that from that it's still not possible to contaminate 8production facilities with 4overseers...
It's one thing to say Terrans or Zergs popping out enough units to hold the push into the main and stabilize or defeats the standing Opponent's army with minimal losses. If I drop your main army down to zero and don't lose a lot in the process you are NOT going to stabilize ever.

On August 30 2013 00:40 Scarecrow wrote:

wtf are you talking about? Contaminate on an archives and cybercore only stops upgrades on those buildings, you have to hit the gateways if you want to stop the actual units.

On August 30 2013 00:46 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:


What...

I thought it deactivated the building including any tech options it unlocked?!
Then DK should look into buffing contaminate to do that...

It would be totally sick move. Contaminate on the forge and the P is back to being 0/0/0. Hahahaha!

On August 30 2013 01:01 awesomoecalypse wrote:


The Oracle in beta had an ability like that, it was hella broken. And Zerg really doesn't need that, because it would make huge tech switches even more impossible to handle, because you could just disable the opponent's ability to build counter units.

On August 30 2013 01:01 Batiste wrote:
Noone thought of how badly this is going to make Swarmhost imba vs toss

On August 30 2013 15:49 Doc Brawler wrote:
lol observer is amazing. its detection and vision and its invisible, map hacks for days! that being said, the fact that it is protoss' main form of mobile detection makes it feel especially fragile. Id be down to give observer blink if u give widowmines detection again lol

On August 30 2013 16:37 playa wrote:


and since they they have no movement speed and everything 1 shots them, they instantly die once detection arrives. Also, if you turtle with swarm hosts behind static D, the obs detection range/sight needs to be about at least 2x what it currently is to even be remotely effective.

They may as well move the observer to the nexus and increase its build time. Not making probes or having continuous production out of a robo (units that actually kill things) is a lose/lose proposition. Gas is far, far too important in SC 2 to justify making the worst unit in the game when 2 observers could be a HT, instead. Or you could make a dt... kill something, force a scan and actually have a chance to get away alive, something that the observer has never done before. Making pylons in place of observers is 1000x better than the observer is. Pylons > observers for scouting. Sad. I don't know why they even cost supply.

On August 30 2013 16:37 playa wrote:


The observer is trash. It's about as invisible as a gateway is. It's much, much harder to find your own observers than it is to notice when your opponent's observers are near you

On August 30 2013 16:37 playa wrote:


I also love how dt harass is shut down now and it's impossible to snipe overseers because they're unnecessarily fast, simply because the balance team is lack luster and don't have the ability to directly balance the widow mine. If it's really that much of a rocket science to balance 1 unit... hire some rocket scientists. Stop wasting everyone's time. If protoss is ever too strong, how about nerfing us instead of buffing the other races. If you buff one thing that affects a mu that was balanced to begin with, you probably need a counter measure instead of just praying the next imbalanced thing won't be as much of a sore thumb that sticks out, so you can act like you have accomplished something instead of just substituting problems.

On August 30 2013 19:35 kaluro wrote:


Sounds to me you're just a bit upset because you're super careless with your observers. Different races have different upsides, one of protoss' upsides is that you have the best static defense (and detection) in the game. Terran and zerg static detection only shoots air, sadly.

If I don't keep my overseers in the back, they instantly die too, because i'd be a-moving forward.

Observers have 11 sight range, which is bigger than any other unit in the game, use them that way.
Observers have 1.9 base speed, which is upgraded to 2.8 speed when you decide to get the speed upgrade, that's faster than an unupgraded overseer.

So once again, your complaints are nothing but a byproduct of your reckless observer usage and your irrational wish to want advantegous race perks, of other races - ignoring your own advantegous perks.

Would you also mind, linking your sc2 profile?
Here's mine http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2240242/1/Kaluro/




Hit the 'select all army' button and ctrl-click your observers, voila.. you just found all of your observers.
You could even opt to jump to location for each one of them.



Interesting, your train of thoughts is.
DT harass is shut down by scouting it in time and having static or dynamic detection at every base, in time.
Even if you don't have detection at a base, 3 DTs will kill a base before an overseer is morphed, regardless.

If you honestly believe that a minor speed boost suddenly shuts down harassment, you must be playing in a really low league, where plays are not solid at all. Anyone who's aware of a DT thread, will have taken proper measures in masters> leagues.

Complaining that you can't take advantage of your opponents mistakes as heavily anymore, assuming they won't have proper detection up at every base, is questionable.. really questionable.

And the surprise effect of DTs will still be the same as it was, morphing takes equally long and one can assume an overlord would already be near a base where it's being morphed - since surprise DTs really only work during the earlier stages on 3-base.