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Aveng3r
Profile Joined February 2012
United States2411 Posts
August 23 2013 21:01 GMT
#41
this is earth shattering
I carve marble busts of assassinated world leaders - PM for a quote
Rhaegal
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States678 Posts
August 23 2013 21:02 GMT
#42
I just leave vs random players.

Forced into sub optimal build vs someone who is going to play gimmicky/ weird because he doesn't understand the races.
http://www.twitch.tv/agonysc
AmericanUmlaut
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2597 Posts
August 23 2013 21:04 GMT
#43
On August 23 2013 15:24 slytown wrote:
How did we not realize this till just now? Pretty cool.

To be fair, this has come up many times in the past. It's certainly useful for random players to know, but it's not like this has never been noticed before.
The frumious Bandersnatch
HornyHerring
Profile Joined March 2011
Papua New Guinea1059 Posts
August 23 2013 21:04 GMT
#44
On August 23 2013 11:13 iPAndi wrote:
What kind of advantage would this give? 5 more seconds? 10? I don't get why it's better to know before the game starts to when it actually starts.

Just knowing if you should spam e, s or sd is good enough.
oh, hai
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
August 23 2013 21:09 GMT
#45
On August 24 2013 06:02 Rhaegal wrote:
I just leave vs random players.

Forced into sub optimal build vs someone who is going to play gimmicky/ weird because he doesn't understand the races.


shouldnt mechanics win you games, not builds? skill = build execution, mechanics =/= skill ???
age: 84 | location: california | sex: 잘함
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
August 23 2013 21:16 GMT
#46
On August 24 2013 06:01 Aveng3r wrote:
this is earth shattering

not sure if sarcastic..
MarcoBrei
Profile Joined May 2011
Brazil66 Posts
August 23 2013 21:23 GMT
#47
On August 24 2013 05:29 Ureth_RA wrote:
I think anyone above bronze lvl knew this...


Well, you think wrong... way wrong...
NubainMuscle
Profile Joined June 2005
South Africa423 Posts
August 23 2013 21:25 GMT
#48
I can see how this would be useful for a random player, having the 10-20 seconds to mentally prepare before spamming the appropriate hotkeys. My hand position on the keyboard varies depending on the race I play so that would help too.
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NubainMuscle
Profile Joined June 2005
South Africa423 Posts
August 23 2013 21:27 GMT
#49
On August 24 2013 06:09 jinorazi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 06:02 Rhaegal wrote:
I just leave vs random players.

Forced into sub optimal build vs someone who is going to play gimmicky/ weird because he doesn't understand the races.


shouldnt mechanics win you games, not builds? skill = build execution, mechanics =/= skill ???


Some players (like me) are naturally slow so must rely more on strategy/build order/timing as opposed to mechanics, multitask, etc.
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CamoPillbox
Profile Joined April 2012
Czech Republic229 Posts
August 23 2013 22:13 GMT
#50
vs random makro heavy scout safe way of play most of times easy win...... all random cheese even on master lvl.....
Czech Terran(Hots) player
Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
August 23 2013 22:14 GMT
#51
On August 24 2013 06:02 Rhaegal wrote:
I just leave vs random players.

Forced into sub optimal build vs someone who is going to play gimmicky/ weird because he doesn't understand the races.

Doesn't understand the races? Alright.
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
August 23 2013 22:29 GMT
#52
On August 24 2013 06:09 jinorazi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 06:02 Rhaegal wrote:
I just leave vs random players.

Forced into sub optimal build vs someone who is going to play gimmicky/ weird because he doesn't understand the races.


shouldnt mechanics win you games, not builds? skill = build execution, mechanics =/= skill ???


He is a tripple A troll, tries to hate on everything but no depths to the hate.

On topic really funny would have not realized this ever. Though I dice my race and so already in the mind set when searching a game. Not enough time for many games and alot of people derp against random and play bad.
Vanadiel
Profile Joined April 2012
France961 Posts
August 23 2013 23:03 GMT
#53
On August 24 2013 06:09 jinorazi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 06:02 Rhaegal wrote:
I just leave vs random players.

Forced into sub optimal build vs someone who is going to play gimmicky/ weird because he doesn't understand the races.


shouldnt mechanics win you games, not builds? skill = build execution, mechanics =/= skill ???


Well ladder doesn't mean anything to be honest, I just play on it to get better, so playing vs random is just meaningless since they start with an unfair advantage, I just either 1 base ling baneling or quit the game if they don't give their race.
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
August 23 2013 23:08 GMT
#54
While this may not make a huge difference it is definitely something that Blizzard will want to patch out as soon as they notice.
This is our town, scrub
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
August 23 2013 23:41 GMT
#55
On August 23 2013 11:13 iPAndi wrote:
What kind of advantage would this give? 5 more seconds? 10? I don't get why it's better to know before the game starts to when it actually starts.


If you use Brood War hotkeys, then you can be ready to press s or p at the beginning. :D
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jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
August 23 2013 23:59 GMT
#56
On August 24 2013 08:03 Vanadiel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 06:09 jinorazi wrote:
On August 24 2013 06:02 Rhaegal wrote:
I just leave vs random players.

Forced into sub optimal build vs someone who is going to play gimmicky/ weird because he doesn't understand the races.


shouldnt mechanics win you games, not builds? skill = build execution, mechanics =/= skill ???


Well ladder doesn't mean anything to be honest, I just play on it to get better, so playing vs random is just meaningless since they start with an unfair advantage, I just either 1 base ling baneling or quit the game if they don't give their race.


but you get better by playing, improving mechanics. if you play against cheese, it improves your crisis management (which a lot of people lack imo, blaming on "cheese" and not your lack of crisis management). if being afraid of early cheese is the case then terran can proxy rax, toss can proxy gate, zerg can 6pool so you'd need to scout early vs all race regardless of random or not.

i just find random hate fallacious.
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Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
August 24 2013 00:05 GMT
#57
To be fair not knowing the race is really annoying. You can't FFE against Zergs. Pretty much any build has to be altered and made safer until you know for sure.

I asked for race, was told Zerg, proceeded to throw down a forge at my natural, went to scout, scouted his base last, and died to a 4gate. People are dicks.

Perhaps having the race come up for the non random player in the loading screen would be useful. Or indeed, both players, since the point of random is to play with all races, not be unaware until the game starts, surely?
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
August 24 2013 00:31 GMT
#58
random players are free money for me, I open tech in every matchup anyway
I come in for the scraps
Lobotomist
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1541 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-24 00:40:29
August 24 2013 00:38 GMT
#59
Nice find! This is actually super useful for team-games, where a bit of extra planning can help (say you want to double 6 pool if you random zerg, for example)

Also, are people seriously still complaining about opening blind against random? This has been going on for like, 15 years now. Deal with it.
Teching to hive too quickly isn't just a risk: it's an ultrarisk
z0rz
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States350 Posts
August 24 2013 01:05 GMT
#60
People need to stop using Random as a crutch. Yes, Random players get an advantage by knowing the matchup when the game starts, but they also have to understand the ins and outs of NINE matchups -- you only need to know three. There's a reason there are only a handful of pros that play Random: IT'S HARD. The advantage doesn't outweigh the difficulty of mastering nine matchups against good players.

Yes, Random players cheese. So do Terrans. And Zergs. And Protosses. A lot of people cheese. Either adapt to your surroundings (e.g. learn/create a safe opening that you can use vs Random, learn how to defend cheese, etc.) or accept the fact that you have a poor attitude and will probably continue to lose in ways that you could easily prevent.

On August 24 2013 09:05 Larkin wrote:
To be fair not knowing the race is really annoying. You can't FFE against Zergs. Pretty much any build has to be altered and made safer until you know for sure.

I asked for race, was told Zerg, proceeded to throw down a forge at my natural, went to scout, scouted his base last, and died to a 4gate. People are dicks.

Perhaps having the race come up for the non random player in the loading screen would be useful. Or indeed, both players, since the point of random is to play with all races, not be unaware until the game starts, surely?

So it's someone else's fault that you haven't developed a safe opening that works against all races?

I understand it sucks to fall for the lie, but don't act like you aren't foolish for trusting someone in a game where the primary objective is to kill the other player. I'm not saying everyone out there is going to lie to you, but I shouldn't have to explain why you shouldn't base your strategy on an opponent's statement.
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