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On August 23 2013 11:21 skadumdums wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 11:13 iPAndi wrote:
What kind of advantage would this give? 5 more seconds? 10? I don't get why it's better to know before the game starts to when it actually starts. Not sure why you're angry about it, if it doesn't apply to you then don't worry about it. Like I said before it helps to be in the mind state before the game starts.
How is he angry ? hes just stating that he doesnt know how is it better to know what race you get 10 seconds before the game starts. Thats what forums are for.
As I see it, there is no real gain in this trick unless is you get protoss and put ur finger in the "E" key instead of the "S". There is plenty of time while your making your first 2 workers to decide what is that your gonna do. I also dont understand what you even mean by mind state... If you mean state of mind, how does picking any race changes your mood towards the game, if you pick zerg you feel more defensive but if u pick protoss you feel all inish or something like that ? Or do you mean mind set ? even then i dont see how any of these relate to the race you draw.
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On August 23 2013 13:40 MadJack wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 11:21 skadumdums wrote:On August 23 2013 11:13 iPAndi wrote:
What kind of advantage would this give? 5 more seconds? 10? I don't get why it's better to know before the game starts to when it actually starts. Not sure why you're angry about it, if it doesn't apply to you then don't worry about it. Like I said before it helps to be in the mind state before the game starts. How is he angry ? hes just stating that he doesnt know how is it better to know what race you get 10 seconds before the game starts. Thats what forums are for. As I see it, there is no real gain in this trick unless is you get protoss and put ur finger in the "E" key instead of the "S". There is plenty of time while your making your first 2 workers to decide what is that your gonna do. I also dont understand what you even mean by mind state... If you mean state of mind, how does picking any race changes your mood towards the game, if you pick zerg you feel more defensive but if u pick protoss you feel all inish or something like that ? Or do you mean mind set ? even then i dont see how any of these relate to the race you draw.
it matters because you know your opponent's race(unless he is also random) and then you can think about the matchup for an extra 5-10 seconds, instead of thinking of 3 different matchups. basically it allows you to establish a plan somewhat earlier 
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Even better, they should tell the random player their race during the loading screen, and their opponent too. The fact that three years in it hasn't been done yet speaks against Blizzard.
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On August 23 2013 11:36 The_Templar wrote:
sometimes it gives you something like "eventually your main base will run out of resources" or "expanding early is risky but is often worth it" :/
every fucking time "expanding early is risky but is often worth it"
maybe its because i always expand on 14 O_O
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On August 23 2013 11:36 The_Templar wrote:
sometimes it gives you something like "eventually your main base will run out of resources" or "expanding early is risky but is often worth it" :/ Obviously the 1st one is Terran, because mules, and the second one is Zerg, because 3 hatch. Right?
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On August 23 2013 13:50 _Search_ wrote:
Even better, they should tell the random player their race during the loading screen, and their opponent too. The fact that three years in it hasn't been done yet speaks against Blizzard.
Why?
Random players mostly cheese, because it's really hard to learn to play macro games in 9 match ups. Therefore if you see a random player, simply prepare for cheeses. Easy win for you.
If you don't like playing against cheese or random players, they also should not bother you much, because very few play random.
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9 scout randoms = win because most randoms' builds are bad (at least at high diamond).
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On August 23 2013 11:11 iyasq8 wrote:
blizzard plz remove random players @randomplayerskillingesport
if you want to practice on ladder, you can simply just leave when paired wif a random player
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Nice find haha will check later :>
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On August 23 2013 13:44 hearters wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 13:40 MadJack wrote:On August 23 2013 11:21 skadumdums wrote:On August 23 2013 11:13 iPAndi wrote:
What kind of advantage would this give? 5 more seconds? 10? I don't get why it's better to know before the game starts to when it actually starts. Not sure why you're angry about it, if it doesn't apply to you then don't worry about it. Like I said before it helps to be in the mind state before the game starts. How is he angry ? hes just stating that he doesnt know how is it better to know what race you get 10 seconds before the game starts. Thats what forums are for. As I see it, there is no real gain in this trick unless is you get protoss and put ur finger in the "E" key instead of the "S". There is plenty of time while your making your first 2 workers to decide what is that your gonna do. I also dont understand what you even mean by mind state... If you mean state of mind, how does picking any race changes your mood towards the game, if you pick zerg you feel more defensive but if u pick protoss you feel all inish or something like that ? Or do you mean mind set ? even then i dont see how any of these relate to the race you draw. it matters because you know your opponent's race(unless he is also random) and then you can think about the matchup for an extra 5-10 seconds, instead of thinking of 3 different matchups. basically it allows you to establish a plan somewhat earlier
Why do randoms need 5-10 seconds more to choose from the 1 build they have for each race, surely i am missing something. :D
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On August 23 2013 11:17 rpddropshot wrote:That's a solid 5 more seconds to plan out my cheese for the game
Made me lol.
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How did we not realize this till just now? Pretty cool.
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On August 23 2013 11:59 julianto wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 11:23 Valiver wrote:
Nice find, this would let me (all randoms) be ready faster to make that first worker. E for probes, S for scvs, S then D for drones. Easy half second faster first worker when you actually know which button to hit before the game starts. I standardize my hotkeys for all races. For example, S for all 3 race workers. H for all 3 race expansions. As you can tell, I started out playing zerg and have gotten used to it.
How do you select larva?
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On August 23 2013 11:04 skadumdums wrote:
I haven't seen this on the forums yet and it's something I noticed while playing random. As a random you can determine your race from the loading screen by looking at the tip.
If the tip applies to Protoss then you will spawn as Protoss (Zerg tip = Zerg, etc.).
Please keep in mind that there are still general tips that apply to every race, so you can't decide from those, however a majority of the time they will be specific.
Just something to help random players get in the right mind state for the match up a little bit ahead of opening.
Looking at what?
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On August 23 2013 11:36 The_Templar wrote:
sometimes it gives you something like "eventually your main base will run out of resources" or "expanding early is risky but is often worth it" :/
Ohh... So if you spawn as Zerg you'll get Zerg centric tips? Well that's kind of quirky.
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On August 23 2013 14:17 Alex1Sun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 13:50 _Search_ wrote:
Even better, they should tell the random player their race during the loading screen, and their opponent too. The fact that three years in it hasn't been done yet speaks against Blizzard. Why? Random players mostly cheese, because it's really hard to learn to play macro games in 9 match ups. Therefore if you see a random player, simply prepare for cheeses. Easy win for you. If you don't like playing against cheese or random players, they also should not bother you much, because very few play random.
I feel like this is such a silly statement/assumption. It's not hard at all to learn all the matchups... it just takes time. Thing that most people don't realize is that they've plateaued in skill level a whlie ago - they aren't getting more than marginally better through continued play. I started palying random about a year and a half ago and before that was switching in between playing races regularly, and I've always capped out at the exact space regardless of the race I played. I could play Terran for 6 months straight, then go back to Zerg and be right back where I left off within 2 weeks.
Other thing I've noticed and have taken advantage of, as well as many other randoms that have playd it for a while, is that there is an assumption all randoms cheese. From midmasters randoms and above, the regular random users, from what I'm aware, don't cheese in any higher frequency than most players. Of course, this is anecdotal. But even when I played one race, random players would play the standard plays just as often. You have to recall that due to MMR a random player is also expected to win (on average) 50% of the time. Of course there's more volatility with more matchups now, but in reality if they are struggling learning all the matchups, their MMR will just drop until they're winning 50% anyways.
Regardless I play random because I'm bored with the game. Playing one race is tedious. I try to utilize at least 2-3 different builds per each of the 9 MUs and have rarely kept with a same opening more than 3 months at a time. People call it cheesing which is hilarious in my eyes, as not standard =! cheese. For example, opening old school 12/14 rax in base is not cheese in TvZ in teh slightest, in no way does it rely on not being scouted to be effective. It might not be optimal in people's eyes, but it's hardly reliant on not being scouted.
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as random, this is either false or a bug, from my experience of over 1k load screens you always get non race specific tips that apply to all race.
also, this has 0 value as you will still get to know your race at 0:00.
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I think anyone above bronze lvl knew this...
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I swwear this has been on reddit multiple times :S
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kind of practical gj noticing
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