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WCS S2 Finals: INnoVation - Questions to Answer

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WCS S2 Finals: INnoVation - Questions to Answer

Text byTL.net ESPORTS
August 22nd, 2013 18:04 GMT
2013 WCS Europe

WCS Season II Finals



Countdown to Start



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Banner photo: Silverfire

Presenting the Most Crazy-ass Prediction of Recent Times

STX_INnoVation at the WCS Season 2 Finals

by Zealously, who is Swedish

A month ago, there was one player everyone was talking about. The Robot Terran, the best interviewee of all time, and also consensus best player in the world: STX SouL's (T)INnoVation. At the end of a stellar regular season, he led his team to their first ever Proleague championship by playing nothing short of perfect in playoffs. He held the WCS Season 1 title, and looked like a peerless champion above all others.

And then he ran into Terrans. Bomber, the talented but inconsistent StarTale Terran, gave the WCS champion a real beating in the OSL. He bested INnoVation in two drawn-out macro games, the very kind of game where Innovation had seemed to be strongest. Though INnoVation would progress to the semi-finals nonetheless, it would only lead to an even more violent thrashing. With the hellbat—previously the pillar of Innovation's TvT—receiving a major nerf, INnoVation faced an opponent who was not at all intimidated, and read him like an open book. Maru's 4 - 0 stomp of Innovation was one for the history books, and we all know what happened next. Maru went on to win the OSL, beating Rain convincingly as well in the finals.

There are some who say that INnoVation was still the best player in the tournament and that he was the victim of an extremely rare fluke. But what if, instead, INnoVation has some real problems he has to overcome?

I don't question Innovation's TvZ prowess—no one matches his efficiency nor his brutality. Long-time Starcraft II fans will remember sC's famous marine rally, where he'd just rally marines across the map until his opponent died. Innovation does the same thing, but with more tools at his disposal, and about 300% better. With an unmatchable combination of speed, macro, and multitasking, INnoVation is perfectly adapted to playing the hyper-aggressive brand of modern TvZ.

But recently, it's looked like his most powerful weapon is only weapon. He went a disappointing 0 - 6 against (T)Bomber and (T)Maru in the OSL, and on top of that got his behind handed to him by (P)PartinG in WCG Korea. TaeJa, always the honest and pragmatic player, gave a telling answer when asked how he felt about being matched up against INnoVation for his first match: "Since we're both doing badly in TvT lately, I'm not worried."

There are only two Zergs at the Season 2 finals, and in no circumstance can Innovation win the championship solely on the back of TvZ. He may be the defending champion, but he now has as much, if not more to prove than any of the other contestants. The forecast for INnoVation is cloudy with a chance of Rain, or possibly Maru. Can he prove that he is championship-class in all three match-ups?

One does have to wonder if Innovation is even worried, however. Hell, is he capable of being worried? The guy made an unstoppable run through the last WCS Season Finals after being reverse-swept by Soulkey in Code S, so I'll wager that if there's a player who can bounce back from crushing disappointment, it's him. But INnoVation's problem isn't just about keeping a solid mentality, it's learning from the past and growing as a player.

If the last season represented the victory of mechanics, speed and precision, then this season has been about the power of unpredictability. With Maru pulling out not one but three figurative rabbits out of his hat to blow Innovation's mind before kicking him out of the OSL, its clear Innovation's next-level mechanics alone won't carry him in TvT. His builds are crisp and his execution equally so, but he lacks the ”Mvp factor”, the series planning and unpredictability that makes or breaks champions. We're not at the stage in Starcraft II where we can call someone a perfect player, but in terms of gameplay alone, Innovation comes fairly close. But when it comes to intelligent play – outsmarting opponents, finding the perfectly tailored build, Innovation isn't up there.

Obviously, INnoVation doesn't need an (T)Mvp or (Z)NesTea brain to be a champion, but there's no doubting that it would help. If Innovation can find the cunning to pair with his brute force, then he could establish a dynasty. But from what we've seen so far, it doesn't look like he will.

Brains vs. Brawn: it's an old cliche but a particularly relevant one at the WCS finals. Let's see which one prevails.

WCS Season II Finals: Ro16 Group C Preview

kr Duckdeok, kr INnoVation, kr TaeJa, se NaNiwa

Poor (P)Alliance.NaNiwa. As if being dumped in the same group as (T)STX_INnoVation and (T)Liquid`TaeJa – terrifying opponents for any Protoss – wasn't enough, he has to put up with playing the guy who embarrassed him in the Round of 8 in WCS Europe.

Unrelenting in his pursuit of victory, Naniwa plowed his way through Vortix in the consolation matches to ensure he'd be able to redeem himself at the Season Finals. Despite Naniwa's strong showing in the Protoss mirror at MLG, it still seems he's not confident in the match-up. Facing a player like (P)MVP.duckdeok, whose mix-and-match playstyle contains about everything in the offensive playbook, should make for a very difficult first match.

But really, Naniwa may actually be happy with this draw. We've known for a long time that the Swede is all about proving himself and wanting to become the best. What better way to do that than playing the guy who eliminated you just a couple of weeks ago and won your WCS region, but also playing two players with Protoss kill lists longer than the distance from Skåne to Cologne?

Speaking of kill lists, we'll have to be on the look-out for a mini summer of (T)Liquid`TaeJa at the Season 2 Finals. With Innovation's recent weakness in TvT and obvious weakness to unpredictable/aggressive play, Taeja is in great shape to take out the last WCS champion. He played out a 5-game series against Polt, only narrowly losing out to the eventual champion. Though Taeja didn't look as good at ATC, that was a team league he ended up playing after a missed flight and a lot of stress, whereas this is the tournament TaeJa has been looking forward to for an entire season. The time is ripe for TaeJa.

That leaves us only with the last man in the group – (T)STX_INnoVation. He has the eyes of the world on him right now – will he end the worrying trend of defeats at the hands of (albeit good) Protoss and Terran players, or will this be the group that finally ends his run as the iconic player of HotS?

Naniwa's tendency to bounce back and beat players most say he shouldn't, combined with Taeja's advantage in having been in Germany for a couple of days and having played some pretty decent TvT against Polt recently, alongside the fact that duckdeok pretty much embodies everything that Innovation loses to... If there ever was a stage so perfectly set for an upset, it has to be this one.

Prediction

duckdeok < Naniwa
Innovation < Taeja
Taeja > Naniwa
duckdeok > Innovation
Naniwa > duckdeok

Taeja and Naniwa advance to the Round of 8

                    Top 2      1st      2nd      3rd      4th    
-----------------------------------------------------------------
INnoVation 65.61% 35.66% 29.95% 19.70% 14.69%
NaNiwa 55.90% 28.13% 27.77% 24.03% 20.08%
TaeJa 49.50% 23.77% 25.73% 26.35% 24.15%
duckdeok 29.00% 12.45% 16.55% 29.92% 41.09%

Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.

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Group A Preview: MC, the $400,000 Man
Group B Preview: Polt, Not all Ironic
Group C Preview: INnoVation and the insane, nonsensical group prediction[/b]
Group D Preview: Maru, the Prince on the Summit


Writers: Zealously se
Editor: Waxangel.
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ibraishome
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Germany337 Posts
August 22 2013 18:05 GMT
#2
The prediction... wow...
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6330 Posts
August 22 2013 18:07 GMT
#3
That's some crazy prediction.
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lantz
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States762 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 18:11:59
August 22 2013 18:10 GMT
#4
I would bet my life's money that your prediction is so very very wrong. That is all.

Innovation loses a couple times so he has actually lost his skill permanently?
scsnow
Profile Joined April 2010
Slovenia515 Posts
August 22 2013 18:11 GMT
#5
Taeja and Naniwa advance to the Round of 8


with this season's EU champ and previous season global champ going out... no way dude.
Blardy
Profile Joined January 2011
United States290 Posts
August 22 2013 18:11 GMT
#6
Prediction is right on with mine.
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
August 22 2013 18:13 GMT
#7
Wat??? I thought TL loved innovation? I mean I haven't seen a frontpage without innovation's face in couple of months. Bold predictions but I agree with them.
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riceant
Profile Joined October 2012
Canada54 Posts
August 22 2013 18:14 GMT
#8
Since when is Naniwat spelled that way?
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[Evo] Journey
Profile Joined June 2013
United States91 Posts
August 22 2013 18:14 GMT
#9
duckdeok > naniwa
TaeJa > innovation
Taeja > duckdeok
innovation > naniwa
innovation > duckdeok

Taeja and innovation advance

anyone agree with me?
Papples
Profile Joined May 2013
United States117 Posts
August 22 2013 18:15 GMT
#10
That's as bold as it gets
Fr0st1
Profile Joined March 2013
Denmark2 Posts
August 22 2013 18:17 GMT
#11
Considering INnoVation is 24-6 against mostly top korean protoss players, I really don't see him losing to duckdoek or Naniwa.
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
August 22 2013 18:17 GMT
#12
nice one waxangel.
also, very bold predictions by zealousy
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NikaLogy
Profile Joined September 2012
Denmark58 Posts
August 22 2013 18:18 GMT
#13
If there is any group that would kick INnoVation out of the seasonal finals, it would probably be this one.
I just really want to see NaNiwa do well, and it's still summer so TaeJa is probably gonna rip face
ymir233
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States8275 Posts
August 22 2013 18:19 GMT
#14
naniwat lols

Does Taeja have the mechanics to stand up to Innovation's pressure/early contain tactics though....?
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Uni1987
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands642 Posts
August 22 2013 18:20 GMT
#15
Innovation counts for two, so only he will advance.
.............
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 18:21:31
August 22 2013 18:20 GMT
#16
On August 23 2013 03:04 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
by Zealously, who is Swedish


On August 23 2013 03:04 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
Writers: Zealously se
Editor: Waxangel.


I get the feeling Editorial did not agree with Zealously's predictions .
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iLevitate
Profile Joined April 2012
United States225 Posts
August 22 2013 18:22 GMT
#17
On August 23 2013 03:19 ymir233 wrote:
naniwat lols

Does Taeja have the mechanics to stand up to Innovation's pressure/early contain tactics though....?

People said the same about Maru.. so dont underestimate inno's oponnents.
You lose, You learn
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
August 22 2013 18:22 GMT
#18
On August 23 2013 03:20 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 03:04 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
by Zealously, who is Swedish


Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 03:04 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
Writers: Zealously se
Editor: Waxangel.


I get the feeling Editorial did not agree with Zealously's predictions .


If a Swede is involved I'm immediately declared a nationalist ^:-

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I'm not, I just like Naniwa. Besides, Wax is literally hitlersnorlax
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Oukka
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Finland1683 Posts
August 22 2013 18:23 GMT
#19
NaNiwat?

The prediction is crazy, but I can very well see it coming true. Innovation and duckdeok can be both outplayed in live setting, but can NaNi handle the mental pressure, I'm not sure.
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Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
August 22 2013 18:23 GMT
#20
Those crazy Swedes and their crazy predictions.

As a fellow Swede, I'm going with Innovation and Taeja. Sounds crazy after this preview listing all his weaknesses, but that's how it is.
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