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WCS S2 Finals: INnoVation - Questions to Answer

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Text byTL.net ESPORTS
August 22nd, 2013 18:04 GMT
2013 WCS Europe

WCS Season II Finals



Countdown to Start



Brackets and Information on Liquipedia


Banner photo: Silverfire

Presenting the Most Crazy-ass Prediction of Recent Times

STX_INnoVation at the WCS Season 2 Finals

by Zealously, who is Swedish

A month ago, there was one player everyone was talking about. The Robot Terran, the best interviewee of all time, and also consensus best player in the world: STX SouL's (T)INnoVation. At the end of a stellar regular season, he led his team to their first ever Proleague championship by playing nothing short of perfect in playoffs. He held the WCS Season 1 title, and looked like a peerless champion above all others.

And then he ran into Terrans. Bomber, the talented but inconsistent StarTale Terran, gave the WCS champion a real beating in the OSL. He bested INnoVation in two drawn-out macro games, the very kind of game where Innovation had seemed to be strongest. Though INnoVation would progress to the semi-finals nonetheless, it would only lead to an even more violent thrashing. With the hellbat—previously the pillar of Innovation's TvT—receiving a major nerf, INnoVation faced an opponent who was not at all intimidated, and read him like an open book. Maru's 4 - 0 stomp of Innovation was one for the history books, and we all know what happened next. Maru went on to win the OSL, beating Rain convincingly as well in the finals.

There are some who say that INnoVation was still the best player in the tournament and that he was the victim of an extremely rare fluke. But what if, instead, INnoVation has some real problems he has to overcome?

I don't question Innovation's TvZ prowess—no one matches his efficiency nor his brutality. Long-time Starcraft II fans will remember sC's famous marine rally, where he'd just rally marines across the map until his opponent died. Innovation does the same thing, but with more tools at his disposal, and about 300% better. With an unmatchable combination of speed, macro, and multitasking, INnoVation is perfectly adapted to playing the hyper-aggressive brand of modern TvZ.

But recently, it's looked like his most powerful weapon is only weapon. He went a disappointing 0 - 6 against (T)Bomber and (T)Maru in the OSL, and on top of that got his behind handed to him by (P)PartinG in WCG Korea. TaeJa, always the honest and pragmatic player, gave a telling answer when asked how he felt about being matched up against INnoVation for his first match: "Since we're both doing badly in TvT lately, I'm not worried."

There are only two Zergs at the Season 2 finals, and in no circumstance can Innovation win the championship solely on the back of TvZ. He may be the defending champion, but he now has as much, if not more to prove than any of the other contestants. The forecast for INnoVation is cloudy with a chance of Rain, or possibly Maru. Can he prove that he is championship-class in all three match-ups?

One does have to wonder if Innovation is even worried, however. Hell, is he capable of being worried? The guy made an unstoppable run through the last WCS Season Finals after being reverse-swept by Soulkey in Code S, so I'll wager that if there's a player who can bounce back from crushing disappointment, it's him. But INnoVation's problem isn't just about keeping a solid mentality, it's learning from the past and growing as a player.

If the last season represented the victory of mechanics, speed and precision, then this season has been about the power of unpredictability. With Maru pulling out not one but three figurative rabbits out of his hat to blow Innovation's mind before kicking him out of the OSL, its clear Innovation's next-level mechanics alone won't carry him in TvT. His builds are crisp and his execution equally so, but he lacks the ”Mvp factor”, the series planning and unpredictability that makes or breaks champions. We're not at the stage in Starcraft II where we can call someone a perfect player, but in terms of gameplay alone, Innovation comes fairly close. But when it comes to intelligent play – outsmarting opponents, finding the perfectly tailored build, Innovation isn't up there.

Obviously, INnoVation doesn't need an (T)Mvp or (Z)NesTea brain to be a champion, but there's no doubting that it would help. If Innovation can find the cunning to pair with his brute force, then he could establish a dynasty. But from what we've seen so far, it doesn't look like he will.

Brains vs. Brawn: it's an old cliche but a particularly relevant one at the WCS finals. Let's see which one prevails.

WCS Season II Finals: Ro16 Group C Preview

kr Duckdeok, kr INnoVation, kr TaeJa, se NaNiwa

Poor (P)Alliance.NaNiwa. As if being dumped in the same group as (T)STX_INnoVation and (T)Liquid`TaeJa – terrifying opponents for any Protoss – wasn't enough, he has to put up with playing the guy who embarrassed him in the Round of 8 in WCS Europe.

Unrelenting in his pursuit of victory, Naniwa plowed his way through Vortix in the consolation matches to ensure he'd be able to redeem himself at the Season Finals. Despite Naniwa's strong showing in the Protoss mirror at MLG, it still seems he's not confident in the match-up. Facing a player like (P)MVP.duckdeok, whose mix-and-match playstyle contains about everything in the offensive playbook, should make for a very difficult first match.

But really, Naniwa may actually be happy with this draw. We've known for a long time that the Swede is all about proving himself and wanting to become the best. What better way to do that than playing the guy who eliminated you just a couple of weeks ago and won your WCS region, but also playing two players with Protoss kill lists longer than the distance from Skåne to Cologne?

Speaking of kill lists, we'll have to be on the look-out for a mini summer of (T)Liquid`TaeJa at the Season 2 Finals. With Innovation's recent weakness in TvT and obvious weakness to unpredictable/aggressive play, Taeja is in great shape to take out the last WCS champion. He played out a 5-game series against Polt, only narrowly losing out to the eventual champion. Though Taeja didn't look as good at ATC, that was a team league he ended up playing after a missed flight and a lot of stress, whereas this is the tournament TaeJa has been looking forward to for an entire season. The time is ripe for TaeJa.

That leaves us only with the last man in the group – (T)STX_INnoVation. He has the eyes of the world on him right now – will he end the worrying trend of defeats at the hands of (albeit good) Protoss and Terran players, or will this be the group that finally ends his run as the iconic player of HotS?

Naniwa's tendency to bounce back and beat players most say he shouldn't, combined with Taeja's advantage in having been in Germany for a couple of days and having played some pretty decent TvT against Polt recently, alongside the fact that duckdeok pretty much embodies everything that Innovation loses to... If there ever was a stage so perfectly set for an upset, it has to be this one.

Prediction

duckdeok < Naniwa
Innovation < Taeja
Taeja > Naniwa
duckdeok > Innovation
Naniwa > duckdeok

Taeja and Naniwa advance to the Round of 8

                    Top 2      1st      2nd      3rd      4th    
-----------------------------------------------------------------
INnoVation 65.61% 35.66% 29.95% 19.70% 14.69%
NaNiwa 55.90% 28.13% 27.77% 24.03% 20.08%
TaeJa 49.50% 23.77% 25.73% 26.35% 24.15%
duckdeok 29.00% 12.45% 16.55% 29.92% 41.09%

Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.

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Day 2 Recap: From 12 to 4
Day 1 Recap: Not the Koreans you're looking for

Group A Preview: MC, the $400,000 Man
Group B Preview: Polt, Not all Ironic
Group C Preview: INnoVation and the insane, nonsensical group prediction[/b]
Group D Preview: Maru, the Prince on the Summit


Writers: Zealously se
Editor: Waxangel.
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ibraishome
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Germany337 Posts
August 22 2013 18:05 GMT
#2
The prediction... wow...
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6329 Posts
August 22 2013 18:07 GMT
#3
That's some crazy prediction.
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lantz
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States762 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 18:11:59
August 22 2013 18:10 GMT
#4
I would bet my life's money that your prediction is so very very wrong. That is all.

Innovation loses a couple times so he has actually lost his skill permanently?
scsnow
Profile Joined April 2010
Slovenia515 Posts
August 22 2013 18:11 GMT
#5
Taeja and Naniwa advance to the Round of 8


with this season's EU champ and previous season global champ going out... no way dude.
Blardy
Profile Joined January 2011
United States290 Posts
August 22 2013 18:11 GMT
#6
Prediction is right on with mine.
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
August 22 2013 18:13 GMT
#7
Wat??? I thought TL loved innovation? I mean I haven't seen a frontpage without innovation's face in couple of months. Bold predictions but I agree with them.
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riceant
Profile Joined October 2012
Canada54 Posts
August 22 2013 18:14 GMT
#8
Since when is Naniwat spelled that way?
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[Evo] Journey
Profile Joined June 2013
United States91 Posts
August 22 2013 18:14 GMT
#9
duckdeok > naniwa
TaeJa > innovation
Taeja > duckdeok
innovation > naniwa
innovation > duckdeok

Taeja and innovation advance

anyone agree with me?
Papples
Profile Joined May 2013
United States117 Posts
August 22 2013 18:15 GMT
#10
That's as bold as it gets
Fr0st1
Profile Joined March 2013
Denmark2 Posts
August 22 2013 18:17 GMT
#11
Considering INnoVation is 24-6 against mostly top korean protoss players, I really don't see him losing to duckdoek or Naniwa.
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
August 22 2013 18:17 GMT
#12
nice one waxangel.
also, very bold predictions by zealousy
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NikaLogy
Profile Joined September 2012
Denmark58 Posts
August 22 2013 18:18 GMT
#13
If there is any group that would kick INnoVation out of the seasonal finals, it would probably be this one.
I just really want to see NaNiwa do well, and it's still summer so TaeJa is probably gonna rip face
ymir233
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States8275 Posts
August 22 2013 18:19 GMT
#14
naniwat lols

Does Taeja have the mechanics to stand up to Innovation's pressure/early contain tactics though....?
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Uni1987
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands642 Posts
August 22 2013 18:20 GMT
#15
Innovation counts for two, so only he will advance.
.............
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 18:21:31
August 22 2013 18:20 GMT
#16
On August 23 2013 03:04 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
by Zealously, who is Swedish


On August 23 2013 03:04 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
Writers: Zealously se
Editor: Waxangel.


I get the feeling Editorial did not agree with Zealously's predictions .
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iLevitate
Profile Joined April 2012
United States225 Posts
August 22 2013 18:22 GMT
#17
On August 23 2013 03:19 ymir233 wrote:
naniwat lols

Does Taeja have the mechanics to stand up to Innovation's pressure/early contain tactics though....?

People said the same about Maru.. so dont underestimate inno's oponnents.
You lose, You learn
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
August 22 2013 18:22 GMT
#18
On August 23 2013 03:20 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 03:04 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
by Zealously, who is Swedish


Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 03:04 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
Writers: Zealously se
Editor: Waxangel.


I get the feeling Editorial did not agree with Zealously's predictions .


If a Swede is involved I'm immediately declared a nationalist ^:-

+ Show Spoiler +
I'm not, I just like Naniwa. Besides, Wax is literally hitlersnorlax
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Oukka
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Finland1683 Posts
August 22 2013 18:23 GMT
#19
NaNiwat?

The prediction is crazy, but I can very well see it coming true. Innovation and duckdeok can be both outplayed in live setting, but can NaNi handle the mental pressure, I'm not sure.
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Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
August 22 2013 18:23 GMT
#20
Those crazy Swedes and their crazy predictions.

As a fellow Swede, I'm going with Innovation and Taeja. Sounds crazy after this preview listing all his weaknesses, but that's how it is.
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Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
August 22 2013 18:23 GMT
#21
how ironic when I look into winrate tab under prediction :D haha good job
@taefoxy
LlamaNamedOsama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1900 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 18:25:19
August 22 2013 18:24 GMT
#22
Quite the bold prediction...though I would love to see Naniwa advance :D. That's the awesome thing about this WCS Finals, everyone is so awesome that you can't really ever count anyone out.

[Edit] Also, Aligulac also favoring naniwa making it out, interesting.
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GoodSirTets
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada200 Posts
August 22 2013 18:27 GMT
#23
Duck duck deok GOOOSE
High Diamond/ Low Masters :^)
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
August 22 2013 18:30 GMT
#24
Love the group header - Naniwat, haha.

Even if it wasn't intentional it's still funny. Probably an apt depiction of Naniwa's reaction during the group draw.
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ymir233
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States8275 Posts
August 22 2013 18:31 GMT
#25
On August 23 2013 03:22 iLevitate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 03:19 ymir233 wrote:
naniwat lols

Does Taeja have the mechanics to stand up to Innovation's pressure/early contain tactics though....?

People said the same about Maru.. so dont underestimate inno's oponnents.


The difference is that Maru struck first. The only game I can remember of Taeja vs Inno in PL had him struggling as Inno just marched up bio-tank into the vicinity of his natural choke. Taeja seems like the type of person who plays methodically aggressive, but doesn't press hard in either his defense or his attacks. He might have changed over the last few months, but I still have doubts...
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alukarD
Profile Joined July 2012
Mexico396 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 18:34:58
August 22 2013 18:33 GMT
#26
You'll be praised as a hero or laughed at as a clown.
Personally I loved it (:
NaniWAT for the upset!
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
August 22 2013 18:34 GMT
#27
You're crazy. Bogus will be fine.
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
August 22 2013 18:35 GMT
#28
No one loves Group B i see

As for the results i do believe Taeja is going to beat Innovation, but Innovation might still be just to mechanicaly skilled to get that second spot above the 2 protoss players.
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
August 22 2013 18:36 GMT
#29
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jeri
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany335 Posts
August 22 2013 18:36 GMT
#30
naniwhaaaaaat?! ahaha stop it plz... i personaly think, he will lose against duckdeok and loose his losermatch vs taeja or bogus, just scout proper and dont let naniwa outcheese you.
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Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10121 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 18:39:14
August 22 2013 18:37 GMT
#31
The prediction is quite bold. It is not like Innovation's TvP is bad. I can see Taeja winning (even tho it would be an upset for me), but no way he loses to Naniwa or Dolan. And Naniwa beating Dolan is even more unlikely.

The group will go as follows

Innovation
Duckdeok
Taeja
Naniwa.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
August 22 2013 18:40 GMT
#32
Innovation losing to Taeja and Duckdeok. I didn't know Zealously was a crazy person.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
August 22 2013 18:41 GMT
#33
o.O @ this prediction. I'd love to see all the annoying Kespa-baiters get smashed again, but honestly RoBogus should destroy the protoss players easily, and probably beat Taeja (though Taeja could just as easily win) and advance in 1st.

ofc Group B is coming last. Fionn has to be pouring his heart and soul into the Polt section, now that he looks like a real contender for this tournament xD
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rshawer
Profile Joined December 2012
178 Posts
August 22 2013 18:43 GMT
#34
So apparently naniwa will advance over Innovation, and Duckdeok will beat Innovation? Dang, the writers must be on some strong european mary jane
DinosaurPoop
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
687 Posts
August 22 2013 18:44 GMT
#35
+ Show Spoiler +
NaNiwa < duckdeok
INnoVation < TaeJa
TaeJa < duckdeok
INnoVation < NaNiwa
NaNiwa > TaeJa
NaniLOL and quacky!


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heartlxp
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1258 Posts
August 22 2013 18:45 GMT
#36
hahahahaha, the best player in the world loses 2 series and somehow will lose to ppl who can't even cut it in KR, okay!
Prog455
Profile Joined April 2012
Denmark970 Posts
August 22 2013 18:47 GMT
#37
I love the fact that you added Aligulac in the prediction part! I would like to see this become the norm.
Darrkhan
Profile Joined February 2012
Finland1236 Posts
August 22 2013 18:50 GMT
#38
On August 23 2013 03:44 DinosaurPoop wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
NaNiwa < duckdeok
INnoVation < TaeJa
TaeJa < duckdeok
INnoVation < NaNiwa
NaNiwa > TaeJa
NaniLOL and quacky!


I want to believe



My man! I come congratulate you to this thread if this happens

duckdeok > NaNiwa
TaeJa > Innovation
duckdeok < TaeJa
NaNiwa < Innovation
duckdeok > Innovation
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
August 22 2013 18:50 GMT
#39
On August 23 2013 03:47 Prog455 wrote:
I love the fact that you added Aligulac in the prediction part! I would like to see this become the norm.

I don't see the point as long as so many players are not correctly rated.
BackSideAttack
Profile Joined December 2010
1103 Posts
August 22 2013 18:51 GMT
#40
Man just because innovation lost to parting doesn't mean his tvp is suddenly bad. He's still probably one of the best TvP players around. If Naniwa's matches against Polt are any indication, i doubt he will win. On another note: GO KESPA!!
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
August 22 2013 18:52 GMT
#41
0-2? Seriously? Lol.
Refer to my post.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
August 22 2013 18:54 GMT
#42
Hehe, Skåne to Cologne.
spena
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada116 Posts
August 22 2013 18:54 GMT
#43
Innovation and Taeja is def the safer bet
It's easier to be terrified by an enemy you admire.
midnight999
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States257 Posts
August 22 2013 18:57 GMT
#44
That's quite a bold prediction...
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
August 22 2013 18:57 GMT
#45
On August 23 2013 03:54 spena wrote:
Innovation and Taeja is def the safer bet


Safety is overrated

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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 19:02:28
August 22 2013 18:58 GMT
#46
Taeja and Naniwa advance to the Round of 8????? Wow, that's really bold. You sure there is no bias here? Naniwa lost to Duckdeok so if you want to say that Innovation doesn't make it through, Taeja and Duckdeok is much more likely than Taeja and Naniwa. Just saying lol.
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TheFlock
Profile Joined September 2011
United States389 Posts
August 22 2013 18:58 GMT
#47
Ok ok that is a very crazy prediction... Innovation will lose to both Taeja and duckdeok? While i do believe that this group is heavily dependent on who is playing well that day, i do think that Innovation has a very good chance on getting out of the group. I cant imagine that a player like Innovation not taking his recent losses and learning from them enough to continue to dominate the scene. He is a great player and almost certainly has a better chance than the odds you are giving him.

I guess time will tell, a bold prediction, and great games tomorrow will follow!
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SeinGalton
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
South Africa387 Posts
August 22 2013 19:04 GMT
#48
I like this prediction, I'm hoping for an upset too...

Sure, I'm a totally biased Soulkey fan but in things other than TvZ Innovation has really underwhelmed me. There are other Terrans I enjoy watching more, and I'd sooner root for Maru or Polt than Bogus.
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Darrkhan
Profile Joined February 2012
Finland1236 Posts
August 22 2013 19:05 GMT
#49
On August 23 2013 03:57 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 03:54 spena wrote:
Innovation and Taeja is def the safer bet


Safety is overrated



Yeah man, Better go wild. Going wild has worked for me from last OSL where Maru just killed everyone.
pak150
Profile Joined September 2010
United States531 Posts
August 22 2013 19:06 GMT
#50
If you made that your liquibet you have balls of steel!
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
August 22 2013 19:08 GMT
#51
Very bold prediction
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Koesader
Profile Joined April 2012
Netherlands424 Posts
August 22 2013 19:10 GMT
#52
I predict TaeJa and Duck to make it out o.O
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Nuclease
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1049 Posts
August 22 2013 19:10 GMT
#53
I actually endorse this prediction, but I might trade Naniwa for duckdeok. Essentially, I just predict Innovation to not get out of the group, and Taeja coming in second.
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CCa1ss1e
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3231 Posts
August 22 2013 19:13 GMT
#54
Interesting predicitons.. I'm thinking taeja + the mighty duck.. we shall see though!
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-niL
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1131 Posts
August 22 2013 19:15 GMT
#55
Innovation stomp is obvious
ARLEN
Profile Joined August 2012
Sweden21 Posts
August 22 2013 19:17 GMT
#56
Haha, loving it!
Id love it for Naniwa to go through but, well.. Id love it!
HeadlessWonder
Profile Joined January 2013
United States1096 Posts
August 22 2013 19:20 GMT
#57
Rooting for Taeja and Duckdeok, but I think they'll duke it out in the last match (with Innovation in first)

CIS Doto
shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
August 22 2013 19:23 GMT
#58
Zealously you're drunk,go home.
RIP MKP
ThePlagueJG
Profile Joined May 2013
Sweden1010 Posts
August 22 2013 19:24 GMT
#59
If I had money I would literally give you lots of it if the prediction comes through xD

Though I think NaNiwa can win a game in the group for some extra points never count that out.
ThorZaIN | NaNiwa | SaSe | PartinG | sOs | Jaedong | sOs restored passion!
TsGBruzze
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Sweden1190 Posts
August 22 2013 19:25 GMT
#60
WTF is wrong with the predictions?
''you got to yolo things up to win''
Conut
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1026 Posts
August 22 2013 19:26 GMT
#61
best predictions ever, and i think they might actually come true.
Sc2 always got your back
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
August 22 2013 19:29 GMT
#62
duckdeok "embodies everything that Innovation loses to". Everything minus the skill maybe :D
That's one of those articles whose TL writer wants to look all cool and edgy. Well, edgy enough, I'll give you that.
Pegas
Profile Joined April 2012
Romania211 Posts
August 22 2013 19:30 GMT
#63
Woah , some crazy prediction rite there... I like it
/figers crossed!
As a rule, men worry more about what they can't see than about what they can
TsGBruzze
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Sweden1190 Posts
August 22 2013 19:32 GMT
#64
On August 23 2013 03:14 [Evo] Journey wrote:
duckdeok > naniwa
TaeJa > innovation
Taeja > duckdeok
innovation > naniwa
innovation > duckdeok

Taeja and innovation advance

anyone agree with me?

this one can be true, but you must agree that innovation is porbably on a diffrent skill level in the other match ups than taeja, so if he is smart he maybe pratcied the hell out of tvt.
''you got to yolo things up to win''
kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
August 22 2013 19:32 GMT
#65
What an... interesting... prediction. Ima go ahead and go with INnoVation and TaeJa
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long." - Lao Tzu
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
August 22 2013 19:33 GMT
#66
On August 23 2013 04:29 ZenithM wrote:
duckdeok "embodies everything that Innovation loses to". Everything minus the skill maybe :D
That's one of those articles whose TL writer wants to look all cool and edgy. Well, edgy enough, I'll give you that.


No it's payback for hurting Life! xD
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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 19:34:56
August 22 2013 19:34 GMT
#67
Didn't Naniwa get CRUSHED by duckdeok? Why do you think he could ever take out him in two series? That's at least a 4-2 win.


Naniwa is a god of foreign starcraft and starcraft history, but he can't win any macro game vs Taeja or innovation, and allins won't versus them too. And I don't think PvP will save him here.

Stick within reason, my friend.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
August 22 2013 19:34 GMT
#68
On August 23 2013 04:33 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 04:29 ZenithM wrote:
duckdeok "embodies everything that Innovation loses to". Everything minus the skill maybe :D
That's one of those articles whose TL writer wants to look all cool and edgy. Well, edgy enough, I'll give you that.


No it's payback for hurting Life! xD


Finally someone understands TT
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renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
August 22 2013 19:35 GMT
#69
I'm going to laugh when this is so wrong.
On August 15 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: no amount of money can replace the enjoyment of being mean to people on the internet
AyaaLa
Profile Joined February 2012
Spain629 Posts
August 22 2013 19:39 GMT
#70
crazy prediction. I like it
i balance whine all the time.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 22 2013 19:40 GMT
#71
My prediction is Naniwat and DuckDuck
FatCat_13
Profile Joined July 2013
Russian Federation117 Posts
August 22 2013 19:41 GMT
#72
The author's problem is that he assumes Naniwa and Duckdeok are the level of Parting. This assumption is wrong so is the prediction. Innovation is likely to outclass all three his opponents in this group to a fair 3-0.
Are you human? being...
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
August 22 2013 19:42 GMT
#73
On August 23 2013 04:41 FatCat_13 wrote:
The author's problem is that he assumes Naniwa and Duckdeok are the level of Parting. This assumption is wrong so is the prediction. Innovation is likely to outclass all three his opponents in this group to a fair 3-0.


Trust me, that's impossible
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myRZeth
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1047 Posts
August 22 2013 19:43 GMT
#74
That Prediction needs balls
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
August 22 2013 19:44 GMT
#75
Ballsy predictions. Zealously is known to be right with his ballsy predictions too, but I'm not sure about this exact scenario. I expect an upset of some kind, but not sure which one. :o
dastrokes
Profile Joined August 2013
Canada9 Posts
August 22 2013 19:44 GMT
#76
Yeah, not gonna happen. I can see Innovation lose to Taeja, but duckdeok?
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2101 Posts
August 22 2013 19:45 GMT
#77
Now, I'm a big Naniwa fan, but no.
Doc Brawler
Profile Joined November 2011
United States260 Posts
August 22 2013 19:47 GMT
#78
On August 23 2013 03:20 Uni1987 wrote:
Innovation counts for two, so only he will advance.

^^ truth
I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
August 22 2013 19:47 GMT
#79
On August 23 2013 04:42 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 04:41 FatCat_13 wrote:
The author's problem is that he assumes Naniwa and Duckdeok are the level of Parting. This assumption is wrong so is the prediction. Innovation is likely to outclass all three his opponents in this group to a fair 3-0.


Trust me, that's impossible

:p

It's true though that Innovation's losses usually come at the hands of people far more "raw skilled" than Naniwa and duckdeok. duckdeok will have to bring some serious camembert (the smelly kind) to take him down :D
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
August 22 2013 19:47 GMT
#80
Tl writers have been so many times wrong that this time they take test could this work.
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Siggen
Profile Joined November 2011
143 Posts
August 22 2013 19:47 GMT
#81
That Artosis Curse
LeviathanDK
Profile Joined August 2011
Denmark87 Posts
August 22 2013 19:50 GMT
#82
foreign biased prediction... going to love watching it fail
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
August 22 2013 19:53 GMT
#83
that prediction...wtf
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Ameisenmann
Profile Joined April 2012
Albania296 Posts
August 22 2013 19:58 GMT
#84
This prediction will be wronger than wrong.
Sidhoum
Profile Joined December 2012
France21 Posts
August 22 2013 20:05 GMT
#85
On August 23 2013 03:19 ymir233 wrote:
naniwat lols

Does Taeja have the mechanics to stand up to Innovation's pressure/early contain tactics though....?



Who cares ? Maru doesn't have the mechanics you're talking about.
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Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14456 Posts
August 22 2013 20:08 GMT
#86
Innovation will win this tournament !
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shin777
Profile Joined May 2013
United States5 Posts
August 22 2013 20:08 GMT
#87
hellbat nerf = end of innovation

what do you expect? he was overhyped when he was mere patch terran champ who abused hellbat to death. He's only good for TvZ and that's it. Kinda like forgg who's only good at TvT but sux at other match ups. Era of Innovation was already ended the moment hellnerf implanted. I was sick of his hellbat abuse to mech push or cheese(2 frigging patterns all the time) in tvt anyway. Right now, he's still in round of 4 but you just watch. It will be lucky for him to make it to round of 8 from next season or drop down to code A and struggle there like startale life. Winning season 1 final was too good for patch terran champ anyway. MVP is sitll the king of terran. Innovation has a lot to prove for next 3-4 seasons at least by winning at least 1 or 2 more big championships in korea to be considered world's best. It was a bad joke calling him the best in the world when he abused hellbat and cheese to win his first and will be the only championship. Good bye innovation.

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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 20:14:45
August 22 2013 20:14 GMT
#88
On August 23 2013 05:05 Sidhoum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 03:19 ymir233 wrote:
naniwat lols

Does Taeja have the mechanics to stand up to Innovation's pressure/early contain tactics though....?



Who cares ? Maru doesn't have the mechanics you're talking about.


The hell? Yes he does. It's like nobody paid attention to Maru from the ro8+ outside of the cheese. In the last game vs Bogus even then he totally outmicro'd him doing the exact same build. Taeja can stand up to him.

On August 23 2013 05:08 shin777 wrote:
hellbat nerf = end of innovation

what do you expect? he was overhyped when he was mere patch terran champ who abused hellbat to death. He's only good for TvZ and that's it. Kinda like forgg who's only good at TvT but sux at other match ups. Era of Innovation was already ended the moment hellnerf implanted. I was sick of his hellbat abuse to mech push or cheese(2 frigging patterns all the time) in tvt anyway. Right now, he's still in round of 4 but you just watch. It will be lucky for him to make it to round of 8 from next season or drop down to code A and struggle there like startale life. Winning season 1 final was too good for patch terran champ anyway. MVP is sitll the king of terran. Innovation has a lot to prove for next 3-4 seasons at least by winning at least 1 or 2 more big championships in korea to be considered world's best. It was a bad joke calling him the best in the world when he abused hellbat and cheese to win his first and will be the only championship. Good bye innovation.


No

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Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
August 22 2013 20:15 GMT
#89
dat prediction :D

Innovation will stomp everyone in this group, there are no Code S Level players. Duckdeok isnt good enough for Korea, same goes for Taeja. He will stomp everyone who didnt qualify through Korea
Hater of MKP since GSL Open Season 2 | Fanboy of: NesTea Stephano IdrA DIMAGA MorroW ret DongRaeGu Snute SaSe Mvp ThorZaIN DeMusliM
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
August 22 2013 20:17 GMT
#90
Nice try, shin777, I enjoyed reading that :D
Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
August 22 2013 20:20 GMT
#91
These predictions are the awesomeness Naniwat fighting!
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
August 22 2013 20:22 GMT
#92
On August 23 2013 05:15 Zeon0 wrote:
dat prediction :D

Innovation will stomp everyone in this group, there are no Code S Level players. Duckdeok isnt good enough for Korea, same goes for Taeja. He will stomp everyone who didnt qualify through Korea


lol Taeja isn't code S level? He was ro16 before leaving to AM and even in the final WoL season ro4.

MVP caught flak for coming from WCS EU last season and came closer than anyone to ending the run of Bogus.
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Billinator
Profile Joined July 2012
United States86 Posts
August 22 2013 20:22 GMT
#93
How many times has tl used that mlg pic of innovation.....
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Prog455
Profile Joined April 2012
Denmark970 Posts
August 22 2013 20:24 GMT
#94
On August 23 2013 03:54 spena wrote:
Innovation and Taeja is def the safer bet

Artosis almost always goes with the safe bet. Look where that has got him.
Maegi
Profile Joined January 2013
Finland174 Posts
August 22 2013 20:29 GMT
#95
That is one ballsy predicition, all we need now it the blessing from artosis
NaNiwa <3
ffadicted
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3545 Posts
August 22 2013 20:33 GMT
#96
Prediction is either attentio-seeking "any press is good press", or just knee-jerk clueless reaction imo lol There is 0% chance that naniwa makes it out, and 0% chance that Innovation doesn't tbh

Book it, I'm willin to bet anything
SooYoung-Noona!
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 22 2013 20:35 GMT
#97
On August 23 2013 05:33 ffadicted wrote:
Prediction is either attentio-seeking "any press is good press", or just knee-jerk clueless reaction imo lol There is 0% chance that naniwa makes it out, and 0% chance that Innovation doesn't tbh

Book it, I'm willin to bet anything


you should never be willing to bet anything on a starcraft 2 game, hell I thought there was no way maru was going to beat rain after rain went up 2-0 and now I'm stuck with this stupid signature for a few more weeks.
izmatic
Profile Joined November 2012
United States104 Posts
August 22 2013 20:37 GMT
#98
that prediction is bogus, this whole group is bogus man... and taeja
two wrongs dont make a right, and three rights make a left
Nirel
Profile Joined September 2011
Israel1526 Posts
August 22 2013 20:40 GMT
#99
Pffft, thats never going to happen lol. obvious bias
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
August 22 2013 20:40 GMT
#100
"by Zealously, who is Swedish "
Swedish pride!!! <3

Crazy prediction that will hopefully be correct, good read
The curse is real
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
August 22 2013 20:47 GMT
#101
On August 23 2013 05:35 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 05:33 ffadicted wrote:
Prediction is either attentio-seeking "any press is good press", or just knee-jerk clueless reaction imo lol There is 0% chance that naniwa makes it out, and 0% chance that Innovation doesn't tbh

Book it, I'm willin to bet anything


you should never be willing to bet anything on a starcraft 2 game, hell I thought there was no way maru was going to beat rain after rain went up 2-0 and now I'm stuck with this stupid signature for a few more weeks.

I didn't even lose a bet.
Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
August 22 2013 20:47 GMT
#102
if zealously gets this one right we'll never hear the end of it.
FanaticCZ
Profile Joined December 2011
Czech Republic287 Posts
August 22 2013 20:49 GMT
#103
haha...this prediction is so wrong
INnoVation is the GOAT!
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
August 22 2013 20:51 GMT
#104
On August 23 2013 05:35 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 05:33 ffadicted wrote:
Prediction is either attentio-seeking "any press is good press", or just knee-jerk clueless reaction imo lol There is 0% chance that naniwa makes it out, and 0% chance that Innovation doesn't tbh

Book it, I'm willin to bet anything


you should never be willing to bet anything on a starcraft 2 game, hell I thought there was no way maru was going to beat rain after rain went up 2-0 and now I'm stuck with this stupid signature for a few more weeks.

After that crazy Soulkey comeback you thought it was impossible for Maru to come back after he lost just 2 games?
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 22 2013 20:53 GMT
#105
On August 23 2013 05:51 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 05:35 Dodgin wrote:
On August 23 2013 05:33 ffadicted wrote:
Prediction is either attentio-seeking "any press is good press", or just knee-jerk clueless reaction imo lol There is 0% chance that naniwa makes it out, and 0% chance that Innovation doesn't tbh

Book it, I'm willin to bet anything


you should never be willing to bet anything on a starcraft 2 game, hell I thought there was no way maru was going to beat rain after rain went up 2-0 and now I'm stuck with this stupid signature for a few more weeks.

After that crazy Soulkey comeback you thought it was impossible for Maru to come back after he lost just 2 games?


yes I thought rain was too solid, I was wrong.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 22 2013 20:59 GMT
#106
I like these yolo predictions
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Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
August 22 2013 20:59 GMT
#107
On August 23 2013 05:53 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 05:51 Assirra wrote:
On August 23 2013 05:35 Dodgin wrote:
On August 23 2013 05:33 ffadicted wrote:
Prediction is either attentio-seeking "any press is good press", or just knee-jerk clueless reaction imo lol There is 0% chance that naniwa makes it out, and 0% chance that Innovation doesn't tbh

Book it, I'm willin to bet anything


you should never be willing to bet anything on a starcraft 2 game, hell I thought there was no way maru was going to beat rain after rain went up 2-0 and now I'm stuck with this stupid signature for a few more weeks.

After that crazy Soulkey comeback you thought it was impossible for Maru to come back after he lost just 2 games?


yes I thought rain was too solid, I was wrong.


can we now safely say that Rain crumbles under pressure? All I remember from proleague were his ace-match losses, but I'm not sure what his actual ace match record was...
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 22 2013 21:02 GMT
#108
On August 23 2013 05:59 Popkiller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 05:53 Dodgin wrote:
On August 23 2013 05:51 Assirra wrote:
On August 23 2013 05:35 Dodgin wrote:
On August 23 2013 05:33 ffadicted wrote:
Prediction is either attentio-seeking "any press is good press", or just knee-jerk clueless reaction imo lol There is 0% chance that naniwa makes it out, and 0% chance that Innovation doesn't tbh

Book it, I'm willin to bet anything


you should never be willing to bet anything on a starcraft 2 game, hell I thought there was no way maru was going to beat rain after rain went up 2-0 and now I'm stuck with this stupid signature for a few more weeks.

After that crazy Soulkey comeback you thought it was impossible for Maru to come back after he lost just 2 games?


yes I thought rain was too solid, I was wrong.


can we now safely say that Rain crumbles under pressure? All I remember from proleague were his ace-match losses, but I'm not sure what his actual ace match record was...


For the first 4 rounds his ace match record was really good, but he started losing them a lot near the end.
RaZorwire
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden718 Posts
August 22 2013 21:05 GMT
#109
As much as I like Naniwa, I really think he's the underdog in the group. I actually think he'd have a better chance vs Innovation than vs Taeja since he's usually good at preparing specialized (sometimes cheezy) builds for his opponents, and if Innovation has a weakness, that seems to be it.

Nice write-up either way. Really bold predictions, but unless I remember incorrectly, Zealously was right about Maru vs Rain too... So yeah.
Snusmumriken
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden1717 Posts
August 22 2013 21:10 GMT
#110
Question is, how many Naniwatts/hour will we see tomorrow? I hope

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HandleTaken
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden81 Posts
August 22 2013 21:14 GMT
#111
If your predictions come true I will happily eat a hat

Please make it true Naniwa...
highsis
Profile Joined August 2011
259 Posts
August 22 2013 21:17 GMT
#112
Innovation doesn't lose to Zerg or Protoss in macro games if he is in good condition.

I don't think he can possibly lose to DD even if DD all-ins.
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
August 22 2013 21:20 GMT
#113
Someone needs to take away your pitcher of foreigner kool-aid, you've clearly had too much.
lamiller
Profile Joined September 2011
United States92 Posts
August 22 2013 21:20 GMT
#114
What crack pipe is OP smoking?
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
August 22 2013 21:21 GMT
#115
Naniwa really has to perform better against Duckdeok this time. I for one think he will get his revenge.
Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
Mairo
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden28 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 21:22:10
August 22 2013 21:21 GMT
#116
This is beyond crazy. The fact you're betting against the best player in the world whose skill honestly can't be determined by losing two matches is beyond silly. I think you are focusing on the negatives on Innovation, and focusing on the positives of Naniwa and Duck, because what you're doing is seeing past the domination Innovation had in Proleague (whose skill-ceiling is above the roof) and his domination before dropping out of WCS. That you think the player with all these accomplishments will lose out is completely beyond me. But, if you are right then I'll be the first one to admit you were right all along, but as it stands now based on that there's no way that Naniwa or Duck could make it past ro16 in WCS Korea I'd say your chances of getting this right is more than slim, hell it's minute.
Train insane or remain the same.
mono_regio
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany77 Posts
August 22 2013 21:27 GMT
#117
a very bold prediction, but we'll see - this truely is the group of death more than any before
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Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
August 22 2013 21:30 GMT
#118
Taeja and Innovation will come out of this group unless Artosis agrees and jinxes everything. They're simply the better players.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
August 22 2013 21:30 GMT
#119
Wow that's a lousy prediction.. yeah OK...

I placed my liquid bet already.
SniXSniPe
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1938 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 21:31:56
August 22 2013 21:31 GMT
#120
I haven't agreed on any of these predictions on all three groups >_>
mostwanted
Profile Joined March 2011
83 Posts
August 22 2013 21:32 GMT
#121
This prediction is one of the reason why aliens don't talk to us
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
August 22 2013 21:34 GMT
#122
those are some huge balls
can i get my estro logo back pls
shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
August 22 2013 21:37 GMT
#123
The most important question here is what does Artosis think of Innovations chances?
Jaedong, Gumibear, Leenock, Byun
THM
Profile Joined November 2010
Bulgaria1131 Posts
August 22 2013 21:41 GMT
#124
Go Bogus and Naniwa is all I can say.
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
August 22 2013 21:41 GMT
#125
yeah no. it's gonna be Taeja in first and Innovation in second place. but i'm fine with anything as long as Naniwa doesn't advance.
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Alabasern
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4005 Posts
August 22 2013 21:45 GMT
#126
Thanks for the updated information about the tournaments and Inno. I hope to catch up as best I can with all this activity.
Support your esport!
HandleTaken
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden81 Posts
August 22 2013 21:47 GMT
#127
On August 23 2013 06:37 shabby wrote:
The most important question here is what does Artosis think of Innovations chances?


I'm pretty sure Artosis will pick Innovation and Taeja.
And that will make this group even more interesting.
Lock0n
Profile Joined December 2012
United Kingdom184 Posts
August 22 2013 21:47 GMT
#128
The fact that this thread exists shows that Innovation is clearly the best player in this tournament.

Gogo Terran power, Innovation's gonna wreck havoc in TvT using a new mech build he has up his sleeve, I just know it =p

WCS Season 2 - Revenge of the Hellbatman begins.
Charlie.Sheen
Profile Joined March 2013
662 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 21:50:42
August 22 2013 21:49 GMT
#129
Zealously really likes to see Innovation get crushed. Purely emotional prediction, nothing logical.
banjoetheredskin
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States744 Posts
August 22 2013 21:55 GMT
#130
No love for Duckdeok I'm upset, guys. Unfortunately, I kind of have to agree. Nevertheless, I enjoy hearing Terran tears when protoss wins, so go Duckdeok and Naniwa!
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LittleRedBoy
Profile Joined April 2011
United States229 Posts
August 22 2013 21:56 GMT
#131
If Innovation makes it out of this group I'll swallow a sword.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
August 22 2013 21:59 GMT
#132
On August 23 2013 06:56 LittleRedBoy wrote:
If Innovation makes it out of this group I'll swallow a sword.

I almost read that wrong
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gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
August 22 2013 21:59 GMT
#133
In Inno we trust. His standard play is just so solid and there are not enough cheeses around to kill him every time.
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SneX
Profile Joined June 2012
Sweden377 Posts
August 22 2013 22:11 GMT
#134
Inno and Nani to advance.
skylarr
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada209 Posts
August 22 2013 22:15 GMT
#135
who made these predictions? do you honestly think innovation is going to lose this group?
T0MORR0W
Profile Joined July 2011
United States101 Posts
August 22 2013 22:18 GMT
#136
That was my liquibet prediction already. I'm tired of INnoVation.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
August 22 2013 22:20 GMT
#137
It would be a surprise if Innovation didn't win his group, much less finish last in his group.

It's funny, Innovation makes it to the Ro4 of the OSL, and qualifies for WCG by getting 3rd at WCG Korea, and these are actually considered bad results for him.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
T0MORR0W
Profile Joined July 2011
United States101 Posts
August 22 2013 22:35 GMT
#138
On August 23 2013 07:20 Bagration wrote:
It would be a surprise if Innovation didn't win his group, much less finish last in his group.

It's funny, Innovation makes it to the Ro4 of the OSL, and qualifies for WCG by getting 3rd at WCG Korea, and these are actually considered bad results for him.

It's not about good or bad results. His every loss puts a crack in his image of untouchable blandness. We don't disbelieve his skill. Rather we hope that one day soon, INnoVation will lose his top spot to somebody who wins with their head rather than their hands. We hope that pure mechanical power is not enough to make somebody a champion, and so we latch onto anything we can to discredit the Vanilla Vanquisher, the Plastic Punisher, the Insipid Imperator, and the Sultan of Somnolence that is INnoVation.

Go non-INnoVation players!
9-BiT
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1089 Posts
August 22 2013 22:44 GMT
#139
If only there was a way to bet against your predictions, I would be a millionaire.
kwark_uk: @father_sc learn to play maybe?
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
August 22 2013 22:46 GMT
#140
it could happen! It would be amazing to see
Vaftrudner
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden1185 Posts
August 22 2013 22:52 GMT
#141
Just because Bogus got rolled by Maru doesn't mean he's suddenly bad at TvT, the same goes for Naniwa who was rolled by finale. It's the same man who got to the GSL ro8 twice largely on the back of his PvP. When he is on, he brings some sick control and cool play. I wouldn't be surprised to see him take down finale. I would however be surprised to see him advance over the terrans in the group. We'll see. I don't have your balls, Zealously. I'd also like to see Bogus and Taeja get out of the group, now that hellbats are nerfed TvT is fun again and those are two of my favourite players
"Starcraft 2 was designed to have a best race. You play the worst one." - Day9
Gorilla23
Profile Joined March 2012
United States339 Posts
August 22 2013 22:57 GMT
#142
On August 23 2013 07:35 T0MORR0W wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 07:20 Bagration wrote:
It would be a surprise if Innovation didn't win his group, much less finish last in his group.

It's funny, Innovation makes it to the Ro4 of the OSL, and qualifies for WCG by getting 3rd at WCG Korea, and these are actually considered bad results for him.

It's not about good or bad results. His every loss puts a crack in his image of untouchable blandness. We don't disbelieve his skill. Rather we hope that one day soon, INnoVation will lose his top spot to somebody who wins with their head rather than their hands. We hope that pure mechanical power is not enough to make somebody a champion, and so we latch onto anything we can to discredit the Vanilla Vanquisher, the Plastic Punisher, the Insipid Imperator, and the Sultan of Somnolence that is INnoVation.

Go non-INnoVation players!


I'm completely happy with someone winning because their mechanics are simply that much better. Unless someone comes up with some completely unknown/unique all-in, I'm far more impressed by/interested in mechanical play because it's something I don't think I could ever emulate.

But everyone does like different things. I'm hoping INnoVation at least wins this since he didn't win WCS KR Season 2.
TheFiddler
Profile Joined August 2013
Canada17 Posts
August 22 2013 22:58 GMT
#143
Innovation will make it through. Absolutely.
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XtreMe_au
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia412 Posts
August 22 2013 23:01 GMT
#144
GOGO BOGUS! Two seasons in a row you can do it!
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
August 22 2013 23:02 GMT
#145
On August 23 2013 07:35 T0MORR0W wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 07:20 Bagration wrote:
It would be a surprise if Innovation didn't win his group, much less finish last in his group.

It's funny, Innovation makes it to the Ro4 of the OSL, and qualifies for WCG by getting 3rd at WCG Korea, and these are actually considered bad results for him.

It's not about good or bad results. His every loss puts a crack in his image of untouchable blandness. We don't disbelieve his skill. Rather we hope that one day soon, INnoVation will lose his top spot to somebody who wins with their head rather than their hands. We hope that pure mechanical power is not enough to make somebody a champion, and so we latch onto anything we can to discredit the Vanilla Vanquisher, the Plastic Punisher, the Insipid Imperator, and the Sultan of Somnolence that is INnoVation.

Go non-INnoVation players!


Haha, fair enough. But for perspective, if a non-Korean managed to make the Ro4 of the OSL and get top 3 in WCG Korea (which technically is impossible, but bear with me), people will call that player "THE GREATEST FOREIGNER EVER!".

For Innovation, that's a "slump".


I guess for me, Innovation's TvZ is just cathartic, killing Zergs left and right and dealing sweet vengeance to all the dirty Zergs who abused infestor-BL back in WoL. Die Zergs die!
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
_SpiRaL_
Profile Joined December 2012
Afghanistan1636 Posts
August 22 2013 23:03 GMT
#146
On August 23 2013 06:59 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 06:56 LittleRedBoy wrote:
If Innovation makes it out of this group I'll swallow a sword.

I almost read that wrong


Pork sword?

Man those are some ballsy predictions. Fair play, you are avoiding all possibility of an Artosis curse.
Red and yellow are all I see
ManicMarine
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia409 Posts
August 22 2013 23:13 GMT
#147
I agree with this prediction.
Manic by name, Manic by nature.
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
August 22 2013 23:16 GMT
#148
Taeja and ducky, because rawr screw KeSPA, etc. etc.

SafeWord
Profile Joined February 2010
United States522 Posts
August 22 2013 23:18 GMT
#149
What the hell is this prediction haha
Who needs players when you have God?
Valhaden
Profile Joined June 2013
United Kingdom15 Posts
August 22 2013 23:27 GMT
#150
If Naniwa loses - it's the curse
If Naniwa wins - all swedes rejoice

Zealously you crafty devil you. Curses are not to be meddled with!
Frankie says remax
T0MORR0W
Profile Joined July 2011
United States101 Posts
August 22 2013 23:33 GMT
#151
On August 23 2013 08:02 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 07:35 T0MORR0W wrote:
On August 23 2013 07:20 Bagration wrote:
It would be a surprise if Innovation didn't win his group, much less finish last in his group.

It's funny, Innovation makes it to the Ro4 of the OSL, and qualifies for WCG by getting 3rd at WCG Korea, and these are actually considered bad results for him.

It's not about good or bad results. His every loss puts a crack in his image of untouchable blandness. We don't disbelieve his skill. Rather we hope that one day soon, INnoVation will lose his top spot to somebody who wins with their head rather than their hands. We hope that pure mechanical power is not enough to make somebody a champion, and so we latch onto anything we can to discredit the Vanilla Vanquisher, the Plastic Punisher, the Insipid Imperator, and the Sultan of Somnolence that is INnoVation.

Go non-INnoVation players!


Haha, fair enough. But for perspective, if a non-Korean managed to make the Ro4 of the OSL and get top 3 in WCG Korea (which technically is impossible, but bear with me), people will call that player "THE GREATEST FOREIGNER EVER!".

For Innovation, that's a "slump".


I guess for me, Innovation's TvZ is just cathartic, killing Zergs left and right and dealing sweet vengeance to all the dirty Zergs who abused infestor-BL back in WoL. Die Zergs die!

Well, if you're talking about non-Koreans, taking an unassisted Korean flag to game 7 would qualify for a spot in the top 10. To your point though, we hold INoVation to a higher standard because he's "the best player in the world", and recently hes been looking vulnerable, so some people have started thinking maybe he doesn't really have what it takes to be a championship-caliber player for the long haul. I for one am happy about that because it just feels odd for the weakness of the uncontested best player at a strategy game to be that hes pretty average from a strategic standpoint.
Pazuzu
Profile Joined July 2011
United States632 Posts
August 22 2013 23:35 GMT
#152
dat prediction. Other than duckdeok beating innovation i think its spot on!
"It is because intuition is sometimes right, that we don't know what to do with it"
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
August 22 2013 23:35 GMT
#153
On August 23 2013 07:18 T0MORR0W wrote:
That was my liquibet prediction already. I'm tired of INnoVation.

Thank god the most skilled players in Starcraft don't lose because you're tired of them.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
August 22 2013 23:35 GMT
#154
Innovation and Naniwa.
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igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
August 22 2013 23:36 GMT
#155
Would love to see innovation and nani get out
MVP <3 MKP <3 DRG <3
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16056 Posts
August 22 2013 23:36 GMT
#156
If Naniwa manages to pull this off then it will the most impressed with him I have ever been in his career.

I do not see it happening though.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
shin_toss
Profile Joined May 2010
Philippines2589 Posts
August 22 2013 23:36 GMT
#157
duckdeok will win over nani :D
AKMU / IU
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33343 Posts
August 22 2013 23:39 GMT
#158
go naniwa ^_^
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Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
August 23 2013 00:00 GMT
#159
duckdeok > Naniwa
Innovation > Taeja
Innovation > duckdeok
Taeja > Naniwa
duckdeok > Taeja


get readdyyyy
WeRRa
Profile Joined December 2010
378 Posts
August 23 2013 00:12 GMT
#160
On August 23 2013 07:35 T0MORR0W wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 07:20 Bagration wrote:
It would be a surprise if Innovation didn't win his group, much less finish last in his group.

It's funny, Innovation makes it to the Ro4 of the OSL, and qualifies for WCG by getting 3rd at WCG Korea, and these are actually considered bad results for him.

It's not about good or bad results. His every loss puts a crack in his image of untouchable blandness. We don't disbelieve his skill. Rather we hope that one day soon, INnoVation will lose his top spot to somebody who wins with their head rather than their hands. We hope that pure mechanical power is not enough to make somebody a champion, and so we latch onto anything we can to discredit the Vanilla Vanquisher, the Plastic Punisher, the Insipid Imperator, and the Sultan of Somnolence that is INnoVation.

Go non-INnoVation players!

I think Innovation is the best, what could have happend to SC2, to show that this game is more about gimmic strats or play. You need someone you can admire, cause he has more skill and not better strats or gimmic play, he simply says i win vs you, not cause i play this or that, i win cause i'm better. And just to mention, this guy has more than mechanical power, i mean he is so good at adapting to situations, scouting strats and counter them it is crazy, he has a lot what Flash had in BW, but for the simple fact that he isn't a Flash or MVP people don't like him. Well haters gonna hate.
Gogo Innovation show anyone, that the best player in the world should have the most skill and not the fanciest strats or play.
InnoVation Fighting!!!
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2953 Posts
August 23 2013 00:33 GMT
#161
I just don't like INnoVation because of his TvZ tbh. I mean, mechanically he's the best player right now, but his play just seems very onedimensional. Watching a Bo7 of MVP, you knew he had a variety of strats prepared to kill the opponent, in a Bo7 of INnoVation it's maybe a proxy 2-rax + 3-4 times (depending on if the 2-rax failed or not) the same normal stuff.
I think in a strategy game, the STRATEGY should play a bigger part in a players strength than it is the case with Bogus, especially in his TvZ. But whatever :-P
_BAR_
Profile Joined April 2013
Canada33 Posts
August 23 2013 00:36 GMT
#162
If Innovation doesn't come out of this group I will probably be more upset then he will. Hopefully though he will do much better then predicted here.

I don't really buy that duckdeok will take down Innovation though. Taeja might be able to but duckdeok and Naniwa will have to cheese like mad if they are up against Innovation to stand a chance as they aren't strong enough to beat him straight up and I think by now Innovation will have caught on as to how to stop them. He may be more brute force oriented then tricky in his playstyle but he didn't get to where he is now without having a very strong understanding of the game. No player is perfect but Innovation will soon start to close up those issues in his game.
There is not enough alcohol in this house to make me dance.
ReignSupreme.
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Australia4123 Posts
August 23 2013 00:42 GMT
#163
Taeja and Naniwa is what my heart says, but not my head.
Can't wait!
thirtyapm
Profile Joined January 2012
521 Posts
August 23 2013 00:54 GMT
#164
i like them all.

ALL.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
August 23 2013 00:57 GMT
#165
You craycray
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 23 2013 02:25 GMT
#166
I get the feeling this will be like waxangel or fionn or who ever it was predicting mvp to lose in gsl.

It won't happen again
asdfOu
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2089 Posts
August 23 2013 02:29 GMT
#167
standard tl prediction lol
rip prime
xluik
Profile Joined September 2012
201 Posts
August 23 2013 02:45 GMT
#168
TL doubting Innovation lol.. As much as I like Taeja and Naniwa, there is no way Innovation doesn't make it out of this group, much less going out last.
{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
August 23 2013 02:47 GMT
#169
thats some anti artosis prediction if i ever seen one
The only virgins in kpop left are the fans
LockeTazeline
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
2390 Posts
August 23 2013 02:55 GMT
#170
Fun prediction.
DenTenker
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States606 Posts
August 23 2013 03:02 GMT
#171
the best interviewee of all time ... STX SouL's INnoVation.


Brilliant.

Those are some crazy predictions. Never thought I would read that INnoVation was predicted (by this post at least) to not advance. Personally, I think it will be Taeja and INnoVation.
If your all in didn't work, you didn't pull the workers.
Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States873 Posts
August 23 2013 03:28 GMT
#172
I can't see INnoVation or Taeja losing a series to either protoss player; I'm predicting them to come out 1st and 2nd. Considering neither player has been doing spectacularly in TvT, I predict INnoVation's mechanics will give him the edge.
"You know, I don't care if soO got 100 second places in a row. Anyone who doesn't think that he's going to win blizzcon watching this series is a fool" - Artosis, Blizzcon 2014 soO vs TaeJa
FlyingSteaks
Profile Joined April 2012
Brazil433 Posts
August 23 2013 03:41 GMT
#173
Please Innovation, win 4-0 today!
XtreMe_au
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia412 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 03:58:21
August 23 2013 03:57 GMT
#174
If one watched Soulkey innovation for WCG 3rd place you can see his style has adjusted a lot and he is way way better at holding pressure/all-ins (yes it is TvZ but similar logic applies). I think he will be ready for this weekend
Marcinko
Profile Joined May 2013
South Africa1014 Posts
August 23 2013 03:58 GMT
#175
The beauty of predictions is, well, it is only a prediction. Would be fun if Zealously pulls the rabit out of the hat and gets it spot on. Just maybe we will see some emotions by INnoVation then. Haha
....
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
August 23 2013 04:29 GMT
#176
amazing how so many ppl are mad and clueless about bogus.
Mad because he doesn't embody the typical winner and doesn't give a shit about the fans.
Clueless because they think he has no strategic depth or that he played greedy in the Maru series. But when TL writers enforce a stereotype (a wrong one for lots of players...) about someone guess the ignorants are gonna stick to it.
Zest fanboy.
izmatic
Profile Joined November 2012
United States104 Posts
August 23 2013 05:29 GMT
#177
On August 23 2013 09:12 WeRRa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 07:35 T0MORR0W wrote:
On August 23 2013 07:20 Bagration wrote:
It would be a surprise if Innovation didn't win his group, much less finish last in his group.

It's funny, Innovation makes it to the Ro4 of the OSL, and qualifies for WCG by getting 3rd at WCG Korea, and these are actually considered bad results for him.

It's not about good or bad results. His every loss puts a crack in his image of untouchable blandness. We don't disbelieve his skill. Rather we hope that one day soon, INnoVation will lose his top spot to somebody who wins with their head rather than their hands. We hope that pure mechanical power is not enough to make somebody a champion, and so we latch onto anything we can to discredit the Vanilla Vanquisher, the Plastic Punisher, the Insipid Imperator, and the Sultan of Somnolence that is INnoVation.

Go non-INnoVation players!

I think Innovation is the best, what could have happend to SC2, to show that this game is more about gimmic strats or play. You need someone you can admire, cause he has more skill and not better strats or gimmic play, he simply says i win vs you, not cause i play this or that, i win cause i'm better. And just to mention, this guy has more than mechanical power, i mean he is so good at adapting to situations, scouting strats and counter them it is crazy, he has a lot what Flash had in BW, but for the simple fact that he isn't a Flash or MVP people don't like him. Well haters gonna hate.
Gogo Innovation show anyone, that the best player in the world should have the most skill and not the fanciest strats or play.


I dont think people liked mvp at first, he was a cheesing mouth breather. dude looks like bubba gump when he plays, but then the pins kept coming and the talk changed. I like innovation for his raw mechanical strength also. i hope theres only 1 finals champ this year and the robot bogus claims his dynasty, then the dissenters will have to kneel.
two wrongs dont make a right, and three rights make a left
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
August 23 2013 05:31 GMT
#178
if someone rly predict innovation go 0-2 thats to crazy
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
August 23 2013 05:39 GMT
#179
On August 23 2013 14:29 izmatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 09:12 WeRRa wrote:
On August 23 2013 07:35 T0MORR0W wrote:
On August 23 2013 07:20 Bagration wrote:
It would be a surprise if Innovation didn't win his group, much less finish last in his group.

It's funny, Innovation makes it to the Ro4 of the OSL, and qualifies for WCG by getting 3rd at WCG Korea, and these are actually considered bad results for him.

It's not about good or bad results. His every loss puts a crack in his image of untouchable blandness. We don't disbelieve his skill. Rather we hope that one day soon, INnoVation will lose his top spot to somebody who wins with their head rather than their hands. We hope that pure mechanical power is not enough to make somebody a champion, and so we latch onto anything we can to discredit the Vanilla Vanquisher, the Plastic Punisher, the Insipid Imperator, and the Sultan of Somnolence that is INnoVation.

Go non-INnoVation players!

I think Innovation is the best, what could have happend to SC2, to show that this game is more about gimmic strats or play. You need someone you can admire, cause he has more skill and not better strats or gimmic play, he simply says i win vs you, not cause i play this or that, i win cause i'm better. And just to mention, this guy has more than mechanical power, i mean he is so good at adapting to situations, scouting strats and counter them it is crazy, he has a lot what Flash had in BW, but for the simple fact that he isn't a Flash or MVP people don't like him. Well haters gonna hate.
Gogo Innovation show anyone, that the best player in the world should have the most skill and not the fanciest strats or play.


I dont think people liked mvp at first, he was a cheesing mouth breather. dude looks like bubba gump when he plays, but then the pins kept coming and the talk changed. I like innovation for his raw mechanical strength also. i hope theres only 1 finals champ this year and the robot bogus claims his dynasty, then the dissenters will have to kneel.


???

MVP was like one of the original macro-terrans along with Jinro and a few others xD. If anything, MVP used to play more lategames than nearly any other player out there. That is, outside of TvP. He's always avoided longer games in that matchup and he became especially known as cheesy during his TvP-filled 4th championship run.
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dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
August 23 2013 05:57 GMT
#180
I am going to disagree with the prediction, Naniwa out in 2. duckdeok and innovation advance
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
Orcasgt24
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada3238 Posts
August 23 2013 06:09 GMT
#181
Wow. Ballsy predictions. I cannot say I disagree though. Until Innovation proves he can beat top level players that will throw a myriad of all ins at you he should be bet against.
In Hearthstone we pray to RNGesus. When Yogg-Saron hits the field, RNGod gets to work
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12155 Posts
August 23 2013 06:20 GMT
#182
Okay let's go with this:

I'd be more surprised to see Naniwa beat duckdeok twice than to see innovation finish last in his group.
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Mekare
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany393 Posts
August 23 2013 07:01 GMT
#183
I'm not even sure if this prediction is as crazy as it sounds.
As long as NaNi makes it I'm fine with anything.
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5595 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 07:11:01
August 23 2013 07:10 GMT
#184
Now I'm starting to think that the TL writers are trying to do as bad predictions as they can.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5595 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 07:37:58
August 23 2013 07:22 GMT
#185
On August 23 2013 04:42 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 04:41 FatCat_13 wrote:
The author's problem is that he assumes Naniwa and Duckdeok are the level of Parting. This assumption is wrong so is the prediction. Innovation is likely to outclass all three his opponents in this group to a fair 3-0.


Trust me, that's impossible

what? lol

I think most people expect Innovation to go 6-0 in sets...

ah. I'm stupid.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 23 2013 07:24 GMT
#186
On August 23 2013 16:22 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 04:42 Zealously wrote:
On August 23 2013 04:41 FatCat_13 wrote:
The author's problem is that he assumes Naniwa and Duckdeok are the level of Parting. This assumption is wrong so is the prediction. Innovation is likely to outclass all three his opponents in this group to a fair 3-0.


Trust me, that's impossible

what? lol

I think most people expect Innovation to go 6-0 in sets...

It was a comment on the format. You cant go 3-0/6-0
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Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
August 23 2013 07:31 GMT
#187
On August 23 2013 16:24 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 16:22 Elroi wrote:
On August 23 2013 04:42 Zealously wrote:
On August 23 2013 04:41 FatCat_13 wrote:
The author's problem is that he assumes Naniwa and Duckdeok are the level of Parting. This assumption is wrong so is the prediction. Innovation is likely to outclass all three his opponents in this group to a fair 3-0.


Trust me, that's impossible

what? lol

I think most people expect Innovation to go 6-0 in sets...

It was a comment on the format. You cant go 3-0/6-0


Yeah, well, Innovation can.

Anyway, Taeja and Duckduck to make it out.
Mirrikh
Profile Joined January 2012
Romania105 Posts
August 23 2013 07:55 GMT
#188
This is obvious: Innovation and Taeja
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
August 23 2013 08:03 GMT
#189
Naniwa and Taeja? Ahahaha. Oh man.
Long live the King of Wings
Charlie.Sheen
Profile Joined March 2013
662 Posts
August 23 2013 08:10 GMT
#190
On August 23 2013 16:10 Elroi wrote:
Now I'm starting to think that the TL writers are trying to do as bad predictions as they can.


Good way to draw eyeballs for new writers.
trada
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany347 Posts
August 23 2013 09:37 GMT
#191
I think the prediction is actually plausible until the 4th match. The Dark Duck over innovation?!
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 10:18:33
August 23 2013 10:17 GMT
#192
On August 23 2013 17:10 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 16:10 Elroi wrote:
Now I'm starting to think that the TL writers are trying to do as bad predictions as they can.


Good way to draw eyeballs for new writers.

Yeah, and if he's right (it's not like it's a statistically impossible event either, right? :D), he can go all "Told you so guys, you suck at Liquibet" on us.
Which reminds me... it's been so long since I haven't done my liquibets :'(
roskii
Profile Joined August 2011
South Africa23 Posts
August 23 2013 10:33 GMT
#193
Great writeup... INnoVation and Taeja to progress!
~ crafted from the souls of gods.
PerSe
Profile Joined June 2013
United Kingdom550 Posts
August 23 2013 10:51 GMT
#194
Innovation tvt bad, taeja tvt worse.
DinosaurPoop
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
687 Posts
August 23 2013 11:04 GMT
#195
In a game where goody can beat nestea and theognis can beat jaedong(dont forget sjow vs life).
I think the chances of his prediction being right is very high.
When cats speak, mice listen.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
August 23 2013 11:07 GMT
#196
Taeja beats Innovation, that much I can agree with. But both, Taeja and Innovation will beat Naniwa and duckdeok in every single game.
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 11:53:00
August 23 2013 11:50 GMT
#197
These prediction looks nice ! It's crazy but I really hope it happens...
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 11:52:50
August 23 2013 11:50 GMT
#198
On August 23 2013 20:07 Big J wrote:
Taeja beats Innovation, that much I can agree with. But both, Taeja and Innovation will beat Naniwa and duckdeok in every single game.

...but unfortunately you're probably right
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44109 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 12:00:05
August 23 2013 11:55 GMT
#199
wow that prediction .. i dont know why but i just have a strong feeling that innovation wont make it out of this group even though he is crazy good .. and naniwa's gonna get out smiling
this is a quote
Knuty
Profile Joined May 2012
Germany68 Posts
August 23 2013 16:03 GMT
#200
lol, i'm willing to bet 50 bucks that nani wont advance
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
August 23 2013 18:44 GMT
#201
Hihihi.
The balls.
pretender58
Profile Joined August 2013
Germany713 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 18:59:57
August 23 2013 18:59 GMT
#202
o.O innovation drops out in last place...

Zealously called it...
onPHYRE
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria908 Posts
August 23 2013 18:59 GMT
#203
How about that prediction now?
Livin' this life like it was written.
iMrising
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States1099 Posts
August 23 2013 18:59 GMT
#204
im so confused
$O$ | soO
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 23 2013 18:59 GMT
#205
Z-GOD
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
August 23 2013 18:59 GMT
#206
roflmao, I can't believe this came true..
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Trius
Profile Joined March 2013
Ukraine273 Posts
August 23 2013 19:00 GMT
#207
Zealously's curse!
onPHYRE
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria908 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 19:01:04
August 23 2013 19:00 GMT
#208
On August 23 2013 03:10 needcomputer wrote:
I would bet my life's money that your prediction is so very very wrong. That is all.

Innovation loses a couple times so he has actually lost his skill permanently?


Damn bro...
Livin' this life like it was written.
Prog455
Profile Joined April 2012
Denmark970 Posts
August 23 2013 19:01 GMT
#209
On August 24 2013 04:00 Trius wrote:
Zealously's curse!

More like Zealously's blessing
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33343 Posts
August 23 2013 19:01 GMT
#210
the dream of crushing other dreams has come true
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
August 23 2013 19:01 GMT
#211
You were saying?
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Nirel
Profile Joined September 2011
Israel1526 Posts
August 23 2013 19:02 GMT
#212
I have to eat my words now... I can't believe Innovation is out :/
The world just doesn't make any sense anymore.
Fishgle
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2174 Posts
August 23 2013 19:02 GMT
#213
I officially proclaim Zealously the Great Prophet of E-Sports.
aka ChillyGonzalo / GnozL
8mmspikes
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1704 Posts
August 23 2013 19:04 GMT
#214
On August 23 2013 03:10 needcomputer wrote:
I would bet my life's money that your prediction is so very very wrong. That is all.


Time to pay up
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12155 Posts
August 23 2013 19:04 GMT
#215
On August 23 2013 15:20 Nebuchad wrote:
Okay let's go with this:

I'd be more surprised to see Naniwa beat duckdeok twice than to see innovation finish last in his group.


Btw I won the thread so hard and no one noticed :/
No will to live, no wish to die
dastrokes
Profile Joined August 2013
Canada9 Posts
August 23 2013 19:04 GMT
#216
Whatever, still no way Innovation will lose to duckduck.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
August 23 2013 19:04 GMT
#217
The Dream.
Moderator
Pegas
Profile Joined April 2012
Romania211 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 19:06:03
August 23 2013 19:05 GMT
#218
I can`t belive that TL got it right.. wow, just wow!
Also the Artosis curse .... so imba!
As a rule, men worry more about what they can't see than about what they can
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
August 23 2013 19:05 GMT
#219
On August 24 2013 04:01 Zealously wrote:
You were saying?

You are a GOD
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Mocking
Profile Joined April 2013
Brazil52 Posts
August 23 2013 19:05 GMT
#220
OMG, this post is already 50% right, innovation in out and taeja make it.
Scarlett Jaedong Life Revival Naniwa Dimaga MVP Hyun Snute TLO Vortix Grubby
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
August 23 2013 19:05 GMT
#221
On August 24 2013 04:04 dastrokes wrote:
Whatever, still no way Innovation will lose to duckduck.


He's already eliminated bro so it doesn't matter
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asaed
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1412 Posts
August 23 2013 19:06 GMT
#222
Prediction was pretty spot on for how outrageous it was :D! Well played!
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DBS
Profile Joined July 2012
515 Posts
August 23 2013 19:07 GMT
#223
On August 24 2013 04:05 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 04:04 dastrokes wrote:
Whatever, still no way Innovation will lose to duckduck.


He's already eliminated bro so it doesn't matter


You've gotta be feeling so good about this
"a pitchfork is for hay. a trident is for killing bitches." -djwheat
Mocking
Profile Joined April 2013
Brazil52 Posts
August 23 2013 19:07 GMT
#224
On August 23 2013 16:10 Elroi wrote:
Now I'm starting to think that the TL writers are trying to do as bad predictions as they can.


(y) :D
Scarlett Jaedong Life Revival Naniwa Dimaga MVP Hyun Snute TLO Vortix Grubby
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 23 2013 19:07 GMT
#225
On August 24 2013 04:04 dastrokes wrote:
Whatever, still no way Innovation will lose to duckduck.


He's out bro, learn the tournament format.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 23 2013 19:08 GMT
#226
On August 23 2013 05:08 shin777 wrote:
hellbat nerf = end of innovation

what do you expect? he was overhyped when he was mere patch terran champ who abused hellbat to death. He's only good for TvZ and that's it. Kinda like forgg who's only good at TvT but sux at other match ups. Era of Innovation was already ended the moment hellnerf implanted. I was sick of his hellbat abuse to mech push or cheese(2 frigging patterns all the time) in tvt anyway. Right now, he's still in round of 4 but you just watch. It will be lucky for him to make it to round of 8 from next season or drop down to code A and struggle there like startale life. Winning season 1 final was too good for patch terran champ anyway. MVP is sitll the king of terran. Innovation has a lot to prove for next 3-4 seasons at least by winning at least 1 or 2 more big championships in korea to be considered world's best. It was a bad joke calling him the best in the world when he abused hellbat and cheese to win his first and will be the only championship. Good bye innovation.

User was temp banned for this post.


We should un-ban this guy.
ADonio
Profile Joined May 2011
Romania1 Post
August 23 2013 19:08 GMT
#227
GJ TAEJA & NANIWA JUST DEFEATED INNOVATION
ADTonio
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
August 23 2013 19:09 GMT
#228
On August 24 2013 04:07 DBS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 04:05 Zealously wrote:
On August 24 2013 04:04 dastrokes wrote:
Whatever, still no way Innovation will lose to duckduck.


He's already eliminated bro so it doesn't matter


You've gotta be feeling so good about this


You have no idea ^^
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xuanzue
Profile Joined October 2010
Colombia1747 Posts
August 23 2013 19:10 GMT
#229
now predict life champion in wcs 2014

#roadtowcs2014
Dominions 4: "Thrones of Ascension".
Mairo
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden28 Posts
August 23 2013 19:12 GMT
#230
Complete defeat, you were right all along .
Train insane or remain the same.
plogamer
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada3132 Posts
August 23 2013 19:47 GMT
#231
On August 24 2013 04:04 stuchiu wrote:
The Dream.

The Dream...
vinsang1000
Profile Joined January 2012
Belgium365 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 20:11:59
August 23 2013 20:11 GMT
#232
wrong post
DinosaurPoop
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
687 Posts
August 23 2013 20:20 GMT
#233
This prediction has one flaw though,
He predicted NaNiwa to beat duckdeok in 1st match. duckdeok won.
Therefore this set up a duckdeok vs TaeJa winners match, not a NaNiwa vs TaeJa match.
Also NaNiwa vs INnoVation instead of duckdeok vs INnoVation.

otherwise spot on
When cats speak, mice listen.
dutchfriese
Profile Joined November 2012
2554 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 20:38:37
August 23 2013 20:36 GMT
#234
On August 24 2013 04:08 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 05:08 shin777 wrote:
hellbat nerf = end of innovation

what do you expect? he was overhyped when he was mere patch terran champ who abused hellbat to death. He's only good for TvZ and that's it. Kinda like forgg who's only good at TvT but sux at other match ups. Era of Innovation was already ended the moment hellnerf implanted. I was sick of his hellbat abuse to mech push or cheese(2 frigging patterns all the time) in tvt anyway. Right now, he's still in round of 4 but you just watch. It will be lucky for him to make it to round of 8 from next season or drop down to code A and struggle there like startale life. Winning season 1 final was too good for patch terran champ anyway. MVP is sitll the king of terran. Innovation has a lot to prove for next 3-4 seasons at least by winning at least 1 or 2 more big championships in korea to be considered world's best. It was a bad joke calling him the best in the world when he abused hellbat and cheese to win his first and will be the only championship. Good bye innovation.

User was temp banned for this post.


We should un-ban this guy.



innovation went to the round of 4 in his first season of code S during WoL so yeah... his claim that he's a patch terran was silly. His performance today was pretty awful but i'll wait until after code s before i decide whether or not he's washed up. He's a mechanical monster but he's going to need to re-evaluate his strategy and timings because other players have figured them out.


oh and lol @ mvp being king terran, except he doesn't even play in korea anymore...
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
August 23 2013 20:39 GMT
#235
On August 24 2013 05:36 dutchfriese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 04:08 Dodgin wrote:
On August 23 2013 05:08 shin777 wrote:
hellbat nerf = end of innovation

what do you expect? he was overhyped when he was mere patch terran champ who abused hellbat to death. He's only good for TvZ and that's it. Kinda like forgg who's only good at TvT but sux at other match ups. Era of Innovation was already ended the moment hellnerf implanted. I was sick of his hellbat abuse to mech push or cheese(2 frigging patterns all the time) in tvt anyway. Right now, he's still in round of 4 but you just watch. It will be lucky for him to make it to round of 8 from next season or drop down to code A and struggle there like startale life. Winning season 1 final was too good for patch terran champ anyway. MVP is sitll the king of terran. Innovation has a lot to prove for next 3-4 seasons at least by winning at least 1 or 2 more big championships in korea to be considered world's best. It was a bad joke calling him the best in the world when he abused hellbat and cheese to win his first and will be the only championship. Good bye innovation.

User was temp banned for this post.


We should un-ban this guy.



innovation went to the round of 4 in his first season of code S during WoL so yeah... his claim that he's a patch terran was silly. His performance today was pretty awful but i'll wait until after code s before i decide whether or not he's washed up. He's a mechanical monster but he's going to need to re-evaluate his strategy and timings because other players have figured them out.


oh and lol @ mvp being king terran, except he doesn't even play in korea anymore...


As we saw today, you can be good without playing in Korea ^.-
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dutchfriese
Profile Joined November 2012
2554 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 20:44:54
August 23 2013 20:44 GMT
#236
On August 24 2013 05:39 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 05:36 dutchfriese wrote:
On August 24 2013 04:08 Dodgin wrote:
On August 23 2013 05:08 shin777 wrote:
hellbat nerf = end of innovation

what do you expect? he was overhyped when he was mere patch terran champ who abused hellbat to death. He's only good for TvZ and that's it. Kinda like forgg who's only good at TvT but sux at other match ups. Era of Innovation was already ended the moment hellnerf implanted. I was sick of his hellbat abuse to mech push or cheese(2 frigging patterns all the time) in tvt anyway. Right now, he's still in round of 4 but you just watch. It will be lucky for him to make it to round of 8 from next season or drop down to code A and struggle there like startale life. Winning season 1 final was too good for patch terran champ anyway. MVP is sitll the king of terran. Innovation has a lot to prove for next 3-4 seasons at least by winning at least 1 or 2 more big championships in korea to be considered world's best. It was a bad joke calling him the best in the world when he abused hellbat and cheese to win his first and will be the only championship. Good bye innovation.

User was temp banned for this post.


We should un-ban this guy.



innovation went to the round of 4 in his first season of code S during WoL so yeah... his claim that he's a patch terran was silly. His performance today was pretty awful but i'll wait until after code s before i decide whether or not he's washed up. He's a mechanical monster but he's going to need to re-evaluate his strategy and timings because other players have figured them out.


oh and lol @ mvp being king terran, except he doesn't even play in korea anymore...


As we saw today, you can be good without playing in Korea ^.-



yes you can but wcs europe/america are undeniably easier tournaments and MVP didn't even get out of the group stages last season. Shit.. this tournament is easier than code s/OSL
SeinGalton
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
South Africa387 Posts
August 23 2013 20:50 GMT
#237
Great read on the group, Zealously, I'm at least as happy as your are to see it fulfilled.

Um, so hey, could you predict a Jaedong win in the Grand Finals? Mmm?
They're coming to get you, Barbara.
SamirDuran
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines894 Posts
August 23 2013 21:14 GMT
#238
it was all a dream
Don't practice until you can get it right, practice until you can't get it wrong.
FanaticCZ
Profile Joined December 2011
Czech Republic287 Posts
August 23 2013 22:23 GMT
#239
what the....
INnoVation is the GOAT!
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
August 23 2013 22:26 GMT
#240
On August 24 2013 07:23 FanaticCZ wrote:
what the....

Surprise!
AdministratorBreak the chains
ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
August 23 2013 22:44 GMT
#241
On August 23 2013 05:08 shin777 wrote:
hellbat nerf = end of innovation

what do you expect? he was overhyped when he was mere patch terran champ who abused hellbat to death. He's only good for TvZ and that's it. Kinda like forgg who's only good at TvT but sux at other match ups. Era of Innovation was already ended the moment hellnerf implanted. I was sick of his hellbat abuse to mech push or cheese(2 frigging patterns all the time) in tvt anyway. Right now, he's still in round of 4 but you just watch. It will be lucky for him to make it to round of 8 from next season or drop down to code A and struggle there like startale life. Winning season 1 final was too good for patch terran champ anyway. MVP is sitll the king of terran. Innovation has a lot to prove for next 3-4 seasons at least by winning at least 1 or 2 more big championships in korea to be considered world's best. It was a bad joke calling him the best in the world when he abused hellbat and cheese to win his first and will be the only championship. Good bye innovation.

User was temp banned for this post.


Sure this guy was a little mean about it.. but a temp ban for stating what is pretty much exactly what happened to Innovation?
secret - never again
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 22:52:05
August 23 2013 22:51 GMT
#242
On August 24 2013 07:44 ch33psh33p wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 05:08 shin777 wrote:
hellbat nerf = end of innovation

what do you expect? he was overhyped when he was mere patch terran champ who abused hellbat to death. He's only good for TvZ and that's it. Kinda like forgg who's only good at TvT but sux at other match ups. Era of Innovation was already ended the moment hellnerf implanted. I was sick of his hellbat abuse to mech push or cheese(2 frigging patterns all the time) in tvt anyway. Right now, he's still in round of 4 but you just watch. It will be lucky for him to make it to round of 8 from next season or drop down to code A and struggle there like startale life. Winning season 1 final was too good for patch terran champ anyway. MVP is sitll the king of terran. Innovation has a lot to prove for next 3-4 seasons at least by winning at least 1 or 2 more big championships in korea to be considered world's best. It was a bad joke calling him the best in the world when he abused hellbat and cheese to win his first and will be the only championship. Good bye innovation.

User was temp banned for this post.


Sure this guy was a little mean about it.. but a temp ban for stating what is pretty much exactly what happened to Innovation?


Drawing those conclusions based on 2 BO3's is unintelligent.
NewEyes
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany113 Posts
August 23 2013 22:55 GMT
#243
Next time i am going to bet on anything i ll pm Zealously and beg him to give me the results beforehand.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
August 23 2013 22:55 GMT
#244
On August 24 2013 07:51 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 07:44 ch33psh33p wrote:
On August 23 2013 05:08 shin777 wrote:
hellbat nerf = end of innovation

what do you expect? he was overhyped when he was mere patch terran champ who abused hellbat to death. He's only good for TvZ and that's it. Kinda like forgg who's only good at TvT but sux at other match ups. Era of Innovation was already ended the moment hellnerf implanted. I was sick of his hellbat abuse to mech push or cheese(2 frigging patterns all the time) in tvt anyway. Right now, he's still in round of 4 but you just watch. It will be lucky for him to make it to round of 8 from next season or drop down to code A and struggle there like startale life. Winning season 1 final was too good for patch terran champ anyway. MVP is sitll the king of terran. Innovation has a lot to prove for next 3-4 seasons at least by winning at least 1 or 2 more big championships in korea to be considered world's best. It was a bad joke calling him the best in the world when he abused hellbat and cheese to win his first and will be the only championship. Good bye innovation.

User was temp banned for this post.


Sure this guy was a little mean about it.. but a temp ban for stating what is pretty much exactly what happened to Innovation?


Drawing those conclusions based on 2 BO3's is unintelligent.


I think mods just really don't like the term patch*race*, I think I read somewhere that you're probably gonna get banned if you call someone that.
Erraa93
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia891 Posts
August 23 2013 22:56 GMT
#245
On August 24 2013 04:09 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 04:07 DBS wrote:
On August 24 2013 04:05 Zealously wrote:
On August 24 2013 04:04 dastrokes wrote:
Whatever, still no way Innovation will lose to duckduck.


He's already eliminated bro so it doesn't matter


You've gotta be feeling so good about this


You have no idea ^^


oh wow. one more to go. and you will be on fire.
Nirel
Profile Joined September 2011
Israel1526 Posts
August 23 2013 23:45 GMT
#246
On August 24 2013 07:51 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 07:44 ch33psh33p wrote:
On August 23 2013 05:08 shin777 wrote:
hellbat nerf = end of innovation

what do you expect? he was overhyped when he was mere patch terran champ who abused hellbat to death. He's only good for TvZ and that's it. Kinda like forgg who's only good at TvT but sux at other match ups. Era of Innovation was already ended the moment hellnerf implanted. I was sick of his hellbat abuse to mech push or cheese(2 frigging patterns all the time) in tvt anyway. Right now, he's still in round of 4 but you just watch. It will be lucky for him to make it to round of 8 from next season or drop down to code A and struggle there like startale life. Winning season 1 final was too good for patch terran champ anyway. MVP is sitll the king of terran. Innovation has a lot to prove for next 3-4 seasons at least by winning at least 1 or 2 more big championships in korea to be considered world's best. It was a bad joke calling him the best in the world when he abused hellbat and cheese to win his first and will be the only championship. Good bye innovation.

User was temp banned for this post.


Sure this guy was a little mean about it.. but a temp ban for stating what is pretty much exactly what happened to Innovation?


Drawing those conclusions based on 2 BO3's is unintelligent.

The post was actually made before the games btw
Darkomicron
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands216 Posts
August 24 2013 00:06 GMT
#247
On August 23 2013 03:10 needcomputer wrote:
I would bet my life's money that your prediction is so very very wrong. That is all.

Innovation loses a couple times so he has actually lost his skill permanently?


Good thing you didn't, huh?
"Night will fall, and so will you"
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
August 24 2013 01:54 GMT
#248
Heheh, so many people in this thread got shit on. Now that is entertainment.
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Tortious_Tortoise
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States944 Posts
August 24 2013 02:45 GMT
#249
I'm just going to go ahead and compile a good amount of QFTs here:

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 23 2013 03:10 needcomputer wrote:
I would bet my life's money that your prediction is so very very wrong. That is all.

Innovation loses a couple times so he has actually lost his skill permanently?


On August 23 2013 03:11 scsnow wrote:
Show nested quote +
Taeja and Naniwa advance to the Round of 8


with this season's EU champ and previous season global champ going out... no way dude.


On August 23 2013 03:17 Fr0st1 wrote:
Considering INnoVation is 24-6 against mostly top korean protoss players, I really don't see him losing to duckdoek or Naniwa.


On August 23 2013 03:34 StarStruck wrote:
You're crazy. Bogus will be fine.


On August 23 2013 03:37 Godwrath wrote:
The prediction is quite bold. It is not like Innovation's TvP is bad. I can see Taeja winning (even tho it would be an upset for me), but no way he loses to Naniwa or Dolan. And Naniwa beating Dolan is even more unlikely.

The group will go as follows

Innovation
Duckdeok
Taeja
Naniwa.


On August 23 2013 03:40 Musicus wrote:
Innovation losing to Taeja and Duckdeok. I didn't know Zealously was a crazy person.


On August 23 2013 03:43 rshawer wrote:
So apparently naniwa will advance over Innovation, and Duckdeok will beat Innovation? Dang, the writers must be on some strong european mary jane


On August 23 2013 03:45 heartlxp wrote:
hahahahaha, the best player in the world loses 2 series and somehow will lose to ppl who can't even cut it in KR, okay!


On August 23 2013 04:15 -niL wrote:
Innovation stomp is obvious


On August 23 2013 04:23 shid0x wrote:
Zealously you're drunk,go home.


On August 23 2013 04:24 ThePlagueJG wrote:
If I had money I would literally give you lots of it if the prediction comes through xD

Though I think NaNiwa can win a game in the group for some extra points never count that out.


On August 23 2013 04:25 TsGBruzze wrote:
WTF is wrong with the predictions?


On August 23 2013 04:35 renaissanceMAN wrote:
I'm going to laugh when this is so wrong.


On August 23 2013 04:41 FatCat_13 wrote:
The author's problem is that he assumes Naniwa and Duckdeok are the level of Parting. This assumption is wrong so is the prediction. Innovation is likely to outclass all three his opponents in this group to a fair 3-0.


On August 23 2013 04:44 dastrokes wrote:
Yeah, not gonna happen. I can see Innovation lose to Taeja, but duckdeok?


On August 23 2013 04:45 Blargh wrote:
Now, I'm a big Naniwa fan, but no.


On August 23 2013 04:50 LeviathanDK wrote:
foreign biased prediction... going to love watching it fail


On August 23 2013 04:58 Ameisenmann wrote:
This prediction will be wronger than wrong.


On August 23 2013 05:15 Zeon0 wrote:
dat prediction :D

Innovation will stomp everyone in this group, there are no Code S Level players. Duckdeok isnt good enough for Korea, same goes for Taeja. He will stomp everyone who didnt qualify through Korea


On August 23 2013 05:40 Nirel wrote:
Pffft, thats never going to happen lol. obvious bias


On August 23 2013 05:49 FanaticCZ wrote:
haha...this prediction is so wrong


On August 23 2013 06:14 HandleTaken wrote:
If your predictions come true I will happily eat a hat

Please make it true Naniwa...



On August 23 2013 06:20 forsooth wrote:
Someone needs to take away your pitcher of foreigner kool-aid, you've clearly had too much.


On August 23 2013 06:20 lamiller wrote:
What crack pipe is OP smoking?


On August 23 2013 06:21 Mairo wrote:
This is beyond crazy. The fact you're betting against the best player in the world whose skill honestly can't be determined by losing two matches is beyond silly. I think you are focusing on the negatives on Innovation, and focusing on the positives of Naniwa and Duck, because what you're doing is seeing past the domination Innovation had in Proleague (whose skill-ceiling is above the roof) and his domination before dropping out of WCS. That you think the player with all these accomplishments will lose out is completely beyond me. But, if you are right then I'll be the first one to admit you were right all along, but as it stands now based on that there's no way that Naniwa or Duck could make it past ro16 in WCS Korea I'd say your chances of getting this right is more than slim, hell it's minute.


On August 23 2013 06:30 c0ldfusion wrote:
Wow that's a lousy prediction.. yeah OK...

I placed my liquid bet already.


On August 23 2013 06:41 Schelim wrote:
yeah no. it's gonna be Taeja in first and Innovation in second place. but i'm fine with anything as long as Naniwa doesn't advance.


On August 23 2013 06:49 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
Zealously really likes to see Innovation get crushed. Purely emotional prediction, nothing logical.


On August 23 2013 07:15 skylarr wrote:
who made these predictions? do you honestly think innovation is going to lose this group?


On August 23 2013 07:20 Bagration wrote:
It would be a surprise if Innovation didn't win his group, much less finish last in his group.

It's funny, Innovation makes it to the Ro4 of the OSL, and qualifies for WCG by getting 3rd at WCG Korea, and these are actually considered bad results for him.


On August 23 2013 07:44 9-BiT wrote:
If only there was a way to bet against your predictions, I would be a millionaire.


And, just because it's so beautifully relevant (and a bit cheeky):

On August 23 2013 05:47 Popkiller wrote:
if zealously gets this one right we'll never hear the end of it.

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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
August 24 2013 03:52 GMT
#250
On August 24 2013 11:45 mbr2321 wrote:
I'm just going to go ahead and compile a good amount of QFTs here:

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 23 2013 03:10 needcomputer wrote:
I would bet my life's money that your prediction is so very very wrong. That is all.

Innovation loses a couple times so he has actually lost his skill permanently?


On August 23 2013 03:11 scsnow wrote:
Show nested quote +
Taeja and Naniwa advance to the Round of 8


with this season's EU champ and previous season global champ going out... no way dude.


On August 23 2013 03:17 Fr0st1 wrote:
Considering INnoVation is 24-6 against mostly top korean protoss players, I really don't see him losing to duckdoek or Naniwa.


On August 23 2013 03:34 StarStruck wrote:
You're crazy. Bogus will be fine.


On August 23 2013 03:37 Godwrath wrote:
The prediction is quite bold. It is not like Innovation's TvP is bad. I can see Taeja winning (even tho it would be an upset for me), but no way he loses to Naniwa or Dolan. And Naniwa beating Dolan is even more unlikely.

The group will go as follows

Innovation
Duckdeok
Taeja
Naniwa.


On August 23 2013 03:40 Musicus wrote:
Innovation losing to Taeja and Duckdeok. I didn't know Zealously was a crazy person.


On August 23 2013 03:43 rshawer wrote:
So apparently naniwa will advance over Innovation, and Duckdeok will beat Innovation? Dang, the writers must be on some strong european mary jane


On August 23 2013 03:45 heartlxp wrote:
hahahahaha, the best player in the world loses 2 series and somehow will lose to ppl who can't even cut it in KR, okay!


On August 23 2013 04:15 -niL wrote:
Innovation stomp is obvious


On August 23 2013 04:23 shid0x wrote:
Zealously you're drunk,go home.


On August 23 2013 04:24 ThePlagueJG wrote:
If I had money I would literally give you lots of it if the prediction comes through xD

Though I think NaNiwa can win a game in the group for some extra points never count that out.


On August 23 2013 04:25 TsGBruzze wrote:
WTF is wrong with the predictions?


On August 23 2013 04:35 renaissanceMAN wrote:
I'm going to laugh when this is so wrong.


On August 23 2013 04:41 FatCat_13 wrote:
The author's problem is that he assumes Naniwa and Duckdeok are the level of Parting. This assumption is wrong so is the prediction. Innovation is likely to outclass all three his opponents in this group to a fair 3-0.


On August 23 2013 04:44 dastrokes wrote:
Yeah, not gonna happen. I can see Innovation lose to Taeja, but duckdeok?


On August 23 2013 04:45 Blargh wrote:
Now, I'm a big Naniwa fan, but no.


On August 23 2013 04:50 LeviathanDK wrote:
foreign biased prediction... going to love watching it fail


On August 23 2013 04:58 Ameisenmann wrote:
This prediction will be wronger than wrong.


On August 23 2013 05:15 Zeon0 wrote:
dat prediction :D

Innovation will stomp everyone in this group, there are no Code S Level players. Duckdeok isnt good enough for Korea, same goes for Taeja. He will stomp everyone who didnt qualify through Korea


On August 23 2013 05:40 Nirel wrote:
Pffft, thats never going to happen lol. obvious bias


On August 23 2013 05:49 FanaticCZ wrote:
haha...this prediction is so wrong


On August 23 2013 06:14 HandleTaken wrote:
If your predictions come true I will happily eat a hat

Please make it true Naniwa...



On August 23 2013 06:20 forsooth wrote:
Someone needs to take away your pitcher of foreigner kool-aid, you've clearly had too much.


On August 23 2013 06:20 lamiller wrote:
What crack pipe is OP smoking?


On August 23 2013 06:21 Mairo wrote:
This is beyond crazy. The fact you're betting against the best player in the world whose skill honestly can't be determined by losing two matches is beyond silly. I think you are focusing on the negatives on Innovation, and focusing on the positives of Naniwa and Duck, because what you're doing is seeing past the domination Innovation had in Proleague (whose skill-ceiling is above the roof) and his domination before dropping out of WCS. That you think the player with all these accomplishments will lose out is completely beyond me. But, if you are right then I'll be the first one to admit you were right all along, but as it stands now based on that there's no way that Naniwa or Duck could make it past ro16 in WCS Korea I'd say your chances of getting this right is more than slim, hell it's minute.


On August 23 2013 06:30 c0ldfusion wrote:
Wow that's a lousy prediction.. yeah OK...

I placed my liquid bet already.


On August 23 2013 06:41 Schelim wrote:
yeah no. it's gonna be Taeja in first and Innovation in second place. but i'm fine with anything as long as Naniwa doesn't advance.


On August 23 2013 06:49 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
Zealously really likes to see Innovation get crushed. Purely emotional prediction, nothing logical.


On August 23 2013 07:15 skylarr wrote:
who made these predictions? do you honestly think innovation is going to lose this group?


On August 23 2013 07:20 Bagration wrote:
It would be a surprise if Innovation didn't win his group, much less finish last in his group.

It's funny, Innovation makes it to the Ro4 of the OSL, and qualifies for WCG by getting 3rd at WCG Korea, and these are actually considered bad results for him.


On August 23 2013 07:44 9-BiT wrote:
If only there was a way to bet against your predictions, I would be a millionaire.


And, just because it's so beautifully relevant (and a bit cheeky):

Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 05:47 Popkiller wrote:
if zealously gets this one right we'll never hear the end of it.


I predicted innovation in second place behind taeja
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tubs
Profile Joined March 2010
764 Posts
August 24 2013 03:56 GMT
#251
You're a wizard, Zealously.

Spot on predictions and impressive insight!
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RandyL
Profile Joined May 2013
Australia148 Posts
August 24 2013 04:42 GMT
#252
seriously that innovation prediction
not sure if crazy or actually godlike
if naniwa advances tomorrow (i'm like 90% sure he won't) then zealously is the one foretold, the one to bring balance back to the force, to defeat the artosis curse.
BurNIng your soul.
EleanorRIgby
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada3923 Posts
August 24 2013 04:52 GMT
#253
innovation usually just did mmm mine vs zerg.. i don't see how the hellbat nerf could cause such a drastic change in results. People aren't the best forever and can easily start sucking, stop being so fucking dramatic.
savior did nothing wrong
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
August 24 2013 05:17 GMT
#254
Naniwa did his research like any pro should. PartinG did the ground work, Naniwa saw the 'how', adapted it to his style, and executed very well. The observers and knowing Inno would duel-drop <9mins were basically what it won for him imho.

Innovation was blocked at every drop cos Naniwa saw it coming and even got lucky by wiping-out drop ships with blink. Good solid play by Naniwa, all he did was know what Inno was doing and defend then attck with very good army control and composition. Once Innovation lost those drop ships (supply) , any good RTS player knows that Innovation was behind, Naniwa pressed this advantage with good battle micro ftw.

Innovation lost due to BO imho, I think he will adapt better and be unbeatable next WCS.
*burp*
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
August 24 2013 05:57 GMT
#255
On August 23 2013 03:10 needcomputer wrote:
I would bet my life's money that your prediction is so very very wrong. That is all.

Innovation loses a couple times so he has actually lost his skill permanently?

Good thing no one took that bet eh?
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
August 24 2013 05:58 GMT
#256
On August 24 2013 07:55 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 07:51 Doodsmack wrote:
On August 24 2013 07:44 ch33psh33p wrote:
On August 23 2013 05:08 shin777 wrote:
hellbat nerf = end of innovation

what do you expect? he was overhyped when he was mere patch terran champ who abused hellbat to death. He's only good for TvZ and that's it. Kinda like forgg who's only good at TvT but sux at other match ups. Era of Innovation was already ended the moment hellnerf implanted. I was sick of his hellbat abuse to mech push or cheese(2 frigging patterns all the time) in tvt anyway. Right now, he's still in round of 4 but you just watch. It will be lucky for him to make it to round of 8 from next season or drop down to code A and struggle there like startale life. Winning season 1 final was too good for patch terran champ anyway. MVP is sitll the king of terran. Innovation has a lot to prove for next 3-4 seasons at least by winning at least 1 or 2 more big championships in korea to be considered world's best. It was a bad joke calling him the best in the world when he abused hellbat and cheese to win his first and will be the only championship. Good bye innovation.

User was temp banned for this post.


Sure this guy was a little mean about it.. but a temp ban for stating what is pretty much exactly what happened to Innovation?


Drawing those conclusions based on 2 BO3's is unintelligent.


I think mods just really don't like the term patch*race*, I think I read somewhere that you're probably gonna get banned if you call someone that.

But we all know bitbybit was the worst patch terran of all time... He was one before it was cool. Except instead of the patch making him good, it just made scv allins worse
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p14c
Profile Joined May 2010
Vatican City State431 Posts
August 24 2013 06:40 GMT
#257
HOTS is a Rock-Paper-Scissor game type. We will not have dominant players when build orders are more important than skill.
Game Over, Man! Game Over!
Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
August 24 2013 06:48 GMT
#258
WTF Zealously prediction so TRUEEEE
@taefoxy
Bodzilla
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia472 Posts
August 24 2013 07:02 GMT
#259
On August 24 2013 15:40 p14c wrote:
HOTS is a Rock-Paper-Scissor game type. We will not have dominant players when build orders are more important than skill.

so you mean me, a diamond kr player, if i flip coins and get heads 100 times in a row i'll be a WCS champion?

sick, i'll work on my coin micro, because apparently thats all it takes.
when life gives you lemons, make banelings
Mista_Masta
Profile Joined January 2009
Netherlands557 Posts
August 24 2013 07:32 GMT
#260
I guess Zealously knew about Artosis cursing Innovation, so this prediction actually makes sense.
Siggen
Profile Joined November 2011
143 Posts
August 24 2013 07:50 GMT
#261
On August 24 2013 16:32 Mista_Masta wrote:
I guess Zealously knew about Artosis cursing Innovation, so this prediction actually makes sense.


Exactly! That's the key behind his success
TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
August 24 2013 08:11 GMT
#262
That's a pretty good prediction! wp
Sogetsu
Profile Joined July 2011
514 Posts
August 24 2013 08:58 GMT
#263
On August 24 2013 07:44 ch33psh33p wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 05:08 shin777 wrote:
hellbat nerf = end of innovation

what do you expect? he was overhyped when he was mere patch terran champ who abused hellbat to death. He's only good for TvZ and that's it. Kinda like forgg who's only good at TvT but sux at other match ups. Era of Innovation was already ended the moment hellnerf implanted. I was sick of his hellbat abuse to mech push or cheese(2 frigging patterns all the time) in tvt anyway. Right now, he's still in round of 4 but you just watch. It will be lucky for him to make it to round of 8 from next season or drop down to code A and struggle there like startale life. Winning season 1 final was too good for patch terran champ anyway. MVP is sitll the king of terran. Innovation has a lot to prove for next 3-4 seasons at least by winning at least 1 or 2 more big championships in korea to be considered world's best. It was a bad joke calling him the best in the world when he abused hellbat and cheese to win his first and will be the only championship. Good bye innovation.

User was temp banned for this post.


Sure this guy was a little mean about it.. but a temp ban for stating what is pretty much exactly what happened to Innovation?


Seems like biased ban from the distance... unless this is true:


On August 24 2013 07:55 HolyArrow wrote:
I think mods just really don't like the term patch*race*, I think I read somewhere that you're probably gonna get banned if you call someone that.


Anyway, I think as well Innovation will end on Code A struggling the day Widow Mine get nerfed and Hellbats can't be healed, I still feel it nonsense and boring
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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 24 2013 09:02 GMT
#264
On August 24 2013 16:50 Siggen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 16:32 Mista_Masta wrote:
I guess Zealously knew about Artosis cursing Innovation, so this prediction actually makes sense.


Exactly! That's the key behind his success

Exactly. Though it is combination of factors: TvT, TvP and Artosis curse. In TvZ Artosis curse does not work on him.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
August 24 2013 10:29 GMT
#265
lol
quirinus
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Croatia2489 Posts
August 24 2013 10:29 GMT
#266
hahahah dat prediction
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Salivanth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1071 Posts
August 24 2013 10:30 GMT
#267
...How.

HOW!?

HOW DID YOU DO THIS!?
<@Wikt> so you are one of those nega-fans <@Wikt> that hates the company that makes a game and everything they stand for <@Wikt> but still plays the game <@Wikt> (like roughly 30% of blizzard's player base, maybe much more...)
Vaftrudner
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden1185 Posts
August 24 2013 10:30 GMT
#268
I feel that Naniwa didn't win as much as Zealously won. Retribution!
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
August 24 2013 10:30 GMT
#269
The Dream is real!
Moderator
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33343 Posts
August 24 2013 10:30 GMT
#270
ahahaha
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Prog455
Profile Joined April 2012
Denmark970 Posts
August 24 2013 10:31 GMT
#271
Zealously's blessing confirmed
suddendeathTV
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden388 Posts
August 24 2013 10:32 GMT
#272
SICKEST prediction ever
Information is everything
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
August 24 2013 10:32 GMT
#273
Zealously deserves star just for this prediction! Just sick
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
Facultyadjutant
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Sweden1876 Posts
August 24 2013 10:33 GMT
#274
hahhahhaha dat prediction
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Raketen
Profile Joined May 2013
Sweden14 Posts
August 24 2013 10:36 GMT
#275
Zealously, my oh my... Are you a Farseer?
Seeing Blademail on Bristleback makes me cringe.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 24 2013 10:42 GMT
#276
the dream.
Nirel
Profile Joined September 2011
Israel1526 Posts
August 24 2013 10:43 GMT
#277
OMFG how did this happen ?! I don't know what game I'm watching anymore
ZooG
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden618 Posts
August 24 2013 10:44 GMT
#278
Good call!
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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
August 24 2013 10:48 GMT
#279
What black magic is at work there ?

HOW DID YOU MAKE THAT HAPPEN ?
LiquipediaWanderer
MiCa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States147 Posts
August 24 2013 10:52 GMT
#280
On August 24 2013 19:48 Ragnarork wrote:
What black magic is at work there ?

HOW DID YOU MAKE THAT HAPPEN ?

Artosis Curse happened.
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Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
August 24 2013 11:01 GMT
#281
Zealously's prediction damn right :O :O
@taefoxy
ThePlagueJG
Profile Joined May 2013
Sweden1010 Posts
August 24 2013 11:08 GMT
#282
You win the internet Zealousy man!
ThorZaIN | NaNiwa | SaSe | PartinG | sOs | Jaedong | sOs restored passion!
Frankenberry
Profile Joined February 2012
Denmark302 Posts
August 24 2013 11:09 GMT
#283
gg x) Well played good sir!
Myrddraal
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia937 Posts
August 24 2013 11:19 GMT
#284
Good work Zealously, I was really hoping your prediction would come true just to shut up all the people who were oh so sure that it wouldn't happen.
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AccoWand
Profile Joined November 2012
354 Posts
August 24 2013 11:28 GMT
#285
Godlike!
vinsang1000
Profile Joined January 2012
Belgium365 Posts
August 24 2013 11:38 GMT
#286
Zealously gg. A prophet ?
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
August 24 2013 11:47 GMT
#287
Wow wtf
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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 24 2013 11:49 GMT
#288
On August 24 2013 20:47 Zealously wrote:
Wow wtf

Did not expect, huh?
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
August 24 2013 11:56 GMT
#289
On August 24 2013 20:49 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 20:47 Zealously wrote:
Wow wtf

Did not expect, huh?


This group was too easy to predict, I was expecting a challenge

+ Show Spoiler +
No sir I did not after duckdeok beat Nani yesterday
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Cinek357
Profile Joined October 2012
Poland119 Posts
August 24 2013 13:08 GMT
#290
I've got to admit, when I saw your predictions Zealously I was like "no way, man!".
imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
August 24 2013 13:13 GMT
#291
Turns out insane, nonsensical group predictions work sometimes.
Liquipedia
Survivor61316
Profile Joined July 2012
United States470 Posts
August 24 2013 18:55 GMT
#292
I cant believe you got this right..
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Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
August 24 2013 18:55 GMT
#293
Tur i spel otur i kärlek.

User was warned for this post
Baroninthetree
Profile Joined August 2012
United States473 Posts
August 24 2013 19:23 GMT
#294
i laughed so hard on those "best player in the world" hater, "i would bet my life", "in no way"....
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 24 2013 19:33 GMT
#295
prediction coming true XD
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TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
August 24 2013 19:36 GMT
#296
I am still waiting for those 'eating hat' videos. Links please
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TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
August 24 2013 19:39 GMT
#297
Hey, TL staff had right predictions even once! GG
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
d2bonzai
Profile Joined August 2012
France21 Posts
August 24 2013 19:42 GMT
#298
On August 23 2013 03:10 needcomputer wrote:
I would bet my life's money that your prediction is so very very wrong. That is all.

Innovation loses a couple times so he has actually lost his skill permanently?


Someone has become rich suddently while someone lost everything
SuperFanBoy
Profile Joined June 2011
New Zealand1068 Posts
August 24 2013 23:32 GMT
#299
On August 23 2013 05:08 shin777 wrote:
hellbat nerf = end of innovation

what do you expect? he was overhyped when he was mere patch terran champ who abused hellbat to death. He's only good for TvZ and that's it. Kinda like forgg who's only good at TvT but sux at other match ups. Era of Innovation was already ended the moment hellnerf implanted. I was sick of his hellbat abuse to mech push or cheese(2 frigging patterns all the time) in tvt anyway. Right now, he's still in round of 4 but you just watch. It will be lucky for him to make it to round of 8 from next season or drop down to code A and struggle there like startale life. Winning season 1 final was too good for patch terran champ anyway. MVP is sitll the king of terran. Innovation has a lot to prove for next 3-4 seasons at least by winning at least 1 or 2 more big championships in korea to be considered world's best. It was a bad joke calling him the best in the world when he abused hellbat and cheese to win his first and will be the only championship. Good bye innovation.

User was temp banned for this post.


Why was this guy banned? Seems like mods on here are getting bored these days.
heaveshade
Profile Joined March 2011
China330 Posts
August 25 2013 03:14 GMT
#300
Looking forward to the Power Rank Sep.
Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
August 25 2013 03:18 GMT
#301
On August 25 2013 08:32 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 05:08 shin777 wrote:
hellbat nerf = end of innovation

what do you expect? he was overhyped when he was mere patch terran champ who abused hellbat to death. He's only good for TvZ and that's it. Kinda like forgg who's only good at TvT but sux at other match ups. Era of Innovation was already ended the moment hellnerf implanted. I was sick of his hellbat abuse to mech push or cheese(2 frigging patterns all the time) in tvt anyway. Right now, he's still in round of 4 but you just watch. It will be lucky for him to make it to round of 8 from next season or drop down to code A and struggle there like startale life. Winning season 1 final was too good for patch terran champ anyway. MVP is sitll the king of terran. Innovation has a lot to prove for next 3-4 seasons at least by winning at least 1 or 2 more big championships in korea to be considered world's best. It was a bad joke calling him the best in the world when he abused hellbat and cheese to win his first and will be the only championship. Good bye innovation.

User was temp banned for this post.


Why was this guy banned? Seems like mods on here are getting bored these days.

Guys that get banned usually have received several warnings before their ban or straight up break the tl rules.

Here's why he was banned. Try checking out the thread when you're bored. It's pretty funny a lot of the time. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696&currentpage=1631#32607
saddaromma
Profile Joined April 2013
1129 Posts
August 26 2013 11:21 GMT
#302
I think innovation was overhyped due to casters. He had best winrate but he never was as dominant as flash or mvp.

It really sucks for him, people calling him patch-terran Its not his fault he knew better how to utilize helbats.
AmuseD
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands133 Posts
August 26 2013 11:32 GMT
#303
I read somewhere but I can't remember that Innovation admitted that the hellbat nerf affected his drop. BUT I do believe that Innovation is well capable of still doing great ! The future will decide. I will cheer for him
Supah ToHLL
di4m0nd
Profile Joined June 2010
United States297 Posts
August 26 2013 15:30 GMT
#304
On August 25 2013 12:18 Elite_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 08:32 SuperFanBoy wrote:
On August 23 2013 05:08 shin777 wrote:
hellbat nerf = end of innovation

what do you expect? he was overhyped when he was mere patch terran champ who abused hellbat to death. He's only good for TvZ and that's it. Kinda like forgg who's only good at TvT but sux at other match ups. Era of Innovation was already ended the moment hellnerf implanted. I was sick of his hellbat abuse to mech push or cheese(2 frigging patterns all the time) in tvt anyway. Right now, he's still in round of 4 but you just watch. It will be lucky for him to make it to round of 8 from next season or drop down to code A and struggle there like startale life. Winning season 1 final was too good for patch terran champ anyway. MVP is sitll the king of terran. Innovation has a lot to prove for next 3-4 seasons at least by winning at least 1 or 2 more big championships in korea to be considered world's best. It was a bad joke calling him the best in the world when he abused hellbat and cheese to win his first and will be the only championship. Good bye innovation.

User was temp banned for this post.



Why was this guy banned? Seems like mods on here are getting bored these days.

Guys that get banned usually have received several warnings before their ban or straight up break the tl rules.

Here's why he was banned. Try checking out the thread when you're bored. It's pretty funny a lot of the time. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696&currentpage=1631#32607


+ Show Spoiler +

ffadicted was just temp banned for 2 weeks by Heyoka.

That account was created on 2011-01-04 10:58:41 and had 2720 posts.

Reason: "IF innovation doesn't get out of his group, I'll take a 2 week ban tbh.... I'm that confident the TL article is bullocks"

The gods of gambol have spoken.


Your right there are some really funny reason on to why ppl get Perma or temp Bans lol
thanks for sharing the link..
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9-BiT
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1089 Posts
August 26 2013 17:01 GMT
#305
He was an above average player who knew how to utilize hellbats. He will fade into mediocrity, in my opinion.
kwark_uk: @father_sc learn to play maybe?
Horn
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United States72 Posts
August 26 2013 17:16 GMT
#306
On August 27 2013 02:01 9-BiT wrote:
He was an above average player who knew how to utilize hellbats. He will fade into mediocrity, in my opinion.

a bold move
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Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3805 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-26 17:16:29
August 26 2013 17:16 GMT
#307
On August 25 2013 08:32 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 05:08 shin777 wrote:
hellbat nerf = end of innovation

what do you expect? he was overhyped when he was mere patch terran champ who abused hellbat to death. He's only good for TvZ and that's it. Kinda like forgg who's only good at TvT but sux at other match ups. Era of Innovation was already ended the moment hellnerf implanted. I was sick of his hellbat abuse to mech push or cheese(2 frigging patterns all the time) in tvt anyway. Right now, he's still in round of 4 but you just watch. It will be lucky for him to make it to round of 8 from next season or drop down to code A and struggle there like startale life. Winning season 1 final was too good for patch terran champ anyway. MVP is sitll the king of terran. Innovation has a lot to prove for next 3-4 seasons at least by winning at least 1 or 2 more big championships in korea to be considered world's best. It was a bad joke calling him the best in the world when he abused hellbat and cheese to win his first and will be the only championship. Good bye innovation.

User was temp banned for this post.


Why was this guy banned? Seems like mods on here are getting bored these days.

He was pretty stupid and said stupid things it seems.
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
August 26 2013 17:23 GMT
#308
On August 27 2013 02:01 9-BiT wrote:
He was an above average player who knew how to utilize hellbats. He will fade into mediocrity, in my opinion.

Care to explain this and this, then? And this or this? Hellbats all the way, right?
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
August 27 2013 01:44 GMT
#309
i cant believe what happened at WCS, but wats crazier is that it made this prediction true
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-27 01:50:33
August 27 2013 01:48 GMT
#310
On August 27 2013 02:23 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2013 02:01 9-BiT wrote:
He was an above average player who knew how to utilize hellbats. He will fade into mediocrity, in my opinion.

Care to explain this and this, then? And this or this? Hellbats all the way, right?


It's funny when people say that because Bogus was actually very late to the hellbat punch so to speak and he was still very effective, but people seem to forget that.

I don't know which prediction is more bold. The idea of Maru not advancing out of groups (something I figured) or Bogus having a similar fate. Any given Sunday boys.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-27 01:58:37
August 27 2013 01:57 GMT
#311
On August 27 2013 02:01 9-BiT wrote:
He was an above average player who knew how to utilize hellbats. He will fade into mediocrity, in my opinion.


Technically everything you said is correct.

1. Innovation is definitely above average

2. Innovation definitely knew how to use hellbats

3. Everyone fades into mediocrity. Boxer, Yellow, Reach, Nada, oov, July, savoir, Bisu, etc. No one is dominant forever, and even legends retire and hang up their mouses, to make way for the new generation of players. The only question is how long one can stay relevant. I think Innovation is far from becoming irrelevant.
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CrazyF1r3f0x
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2120 Posts
September 02 2013 19:04 GMT
#312
On August 27 2013 02:16 Grovbolle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 08:32 SuperFanBoy wrote:
On August 23 2013 05:08 shin777 wrote:
hellbat nerf = end of innovation

what do you expect? he was overhyped when he was mere patch terran champ who abused hellbat to death. He's only good for TvZ and that's it. Kinda like forgg who's only good at TvT but sux at other match ups. Era of Innovation was already ended the moment hellnerf implanted. I was sick of his hellbat abuse to mech push or cheese(2 frigging patterns all the time) in tvt anyway. Right now, he's still in round of 4 but you just watch. It will be lucky for him to make it to round of 8 from next season or drop down to code A and struggle there like startale life. Winning season 1 final was too good for patch terran champ anyway. MVP is sitll the king of terran. Innovation has a lot to prove for next 3-4 seasons at least by winning at least 1 or 2 more big championships in korea to be considered world's best. It was a bad joke calling him the best in the world when he abused hellbat and cheese to win his first and will be the only championship. Good bye innovation.

User was temp banned for this post.


Why was this guy banned? Seems like mods on here are getting bored these days.

He was pretty stupid and said stupid things it seems.

That'll usually do it
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