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WCS S2 Finals: INnoVation - Questions to Answer - Page 16

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Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
August 25 2013 03:18 GMT
#301
On August 25 2013 08:32 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 05:08 shin777 wrote:
hellbat nerf = end of innovation

what do you expect? he was overhyped when he was mere patch terran champ who abused hellbat to death. He's only good for TvZ and that's it. Kinda like forgg who's only good at TvT but sux at other match ups. Era of Innovation was already ended the moment hellnerf implanted. I was sick of his hellbat abuse to mech push or cheese(2 frigging patterns all the time) in tvt anyway. Right now, he's still in round of 4 but you just watch. It will be lucky for him to make it to round of 8 from next season or drop down to code A and struggle there like startale life. Winning season 1 final was too good for patch terran champ anyway. MVP is sitll the king of terran. Innovation has a lot to prove for next 3-4 seasons at least by winning at least 1 or 2 more big championships in korea to be considered world's best. It was a bad joke calling him the best in the world when he abused hellbat and cheese to win his first and will be the only championship. Good bye innovation.

User was temp banned for this post.


Why was this guy banned? Seems like mods on here are getting bored these days.

Guys that get banned usually have received several warnings before their ban or straight up break the tl rules.

Here's why he was banned. Try checking out the thread when you're bored. It's pretty funny a lot of the time. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696&currentpage=1631#32607
saddaromma
Profile Joined April 2013
1129 Posts
August 26 2013 11:21 GMT
#302
I think innovation was overhyped due to casters. He had best winrate but he never was as dominant as flash or mvp.

It really sucks for him, people calling him patch-terran Its not his fault he knew better how to utilize helbats.
AmuseD
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands133 Posts
August 26 2013 11:32 GMT
#303
I read somewhere but I can't remember that Innovation admitted that the hellbat nerf affected his drop. BUT I do believe that Innovation is well capable of still doing great ! The future will decide. I will cheer for him
Supah ToHLL
di4m0nd
Profile Joined June 2010
United States297 Posts
August 26 2013 15:30 GMT
#304
On August 25 2013 12:18 Elite_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 08:32 SuperFanBoy wrote:
On August 23 2013 05:08 shin777 wrote:
hellbat nerf = end of innovation

what do you expect? he was overhyped when he was mere patch terran champ who abused hellbat to death. He's only good for TvZ and that's it. Kinda like forgg who's only good at TvT but sux at other match ups. Era of Innovation was already ended the moment hellnerf implanted. I was sick of his hellbat abuse to mech push or cheese(2 frigging patterns all the time) in tvt anyway. Right now, he's still in round of 4 but you just watch. It will be lucky for him to make it to round of 8 from next season or drop down to code A and struggle there like startale life. Winning season 1 final was too good for patch terran champ anyway. MVP is sitll the king of terran. Innovation has a lot to prove for next 3-4 seasons at least by winning at least 1 or 2 more big championships in korea to be considered world's best. It was a bad joke calling him the best in the world when he abused hellbat and cheese to win his first and will be the only championship. Good bye innovation.

User was temp banned for this post.



Why was this guy banned? Seems like mods on here are getting bored these days.

Guys that get banned usually have received several warnings before their ban or straight up break the tl rules.

Here's why he was banned. Try checking out the thread when you're bored. It's pretty funny a lot of the time. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696&currentpage=1631#32607


+ Show Spoiler +

ffadicted was just temp banned for 2 weeks by Heyoka.

That account was created on 2011-01-04 10:58:41 and had 2720 posts.

Reason: "IF innovation doesn't get out of his group, I'll take a 2 week ban tbh.... I'm that confident the TL article is bullocks"

The gods of gambol have spoken.


Your right there are some really funny reason on to why ppl get Perma or temp Bans lol
thanks for sharing the link..
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9-BiT
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1089 Posts
August 26 2013 17:01 GMT
#305
He was an above average player who knew how to utilize hellbats. He will fade into mediocrity, in my opinion.
kwark_uk: @father_sc learn to play maybe?
Horn
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United States72 Posts
August 26 2013 17:16 GMT
#306
On August 27 2013 02:01 9-BiT wrote:
He was an above average player who knew how to utilize hellbats. He will fade into mediocrity, in my opinion.

a bold move
iaaimtetwehlrthtetulymwfseihnthnigphgtmnoyneeas.
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3825 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-26 17:16:29
August 26 2013 17:16 GMT
#307
On August 25 2013 08:32 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 05:08 shin777 wrote:
hellbat nerf = end of innovation

what do you expect? he was overhyped when he was mere patch terran champ who abused hellbat to death. He's only good for TvZ and that's it. Kinda like forgg who's only good at TvT but sux at other match ups. Era of Innovation was already ended the moment hellnerf implanted. I was sick of his hellbat abuse to mech push or cheese(2 frigging patterns all the time) in tvt anyway. Right now, he's still in round of 4 but you just watch. It will be lucky for him to make it to round of 8 from next season or drop down to code A and struggle there like startale life. Winning season 1 final was too good for patch terran champ anyway. MVP is sitll the king of terran. Innovation has a lot to prove for next 3-4 seasons at least by winning at least 1 or 2 more big championships in korea to be considered world's best. It was a bad joke calling him the best in the world when he abused hellbat and cheese to win his first and will be the only championship. Good bye innovation.

User was temp banned for this post.


Why was this guy banned? Seems like mods on here are getting bored these days.

He was pretty stupid and said stupid things it seems.
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
August 26 2013 17:23 GMT
#308
On August 27 2013 02:01 9-BiT wrote:
He was an above average player who knew how to utilize hellbats. He will fade into mediocrity, in my opinion.

Care to explain this and this, then? And this or this? Hellbats all the way, right?
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14003 Posts
August 27 2013 01:44 GMT
#309
i cant believe what happened at WCS, but wats crazier is that it made this prediction true
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-27 01:50:33
August 27 2013 01:48 GMT
#310
On August 27 2013 02:23 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2013 02:01 9-BiT wrote:
He was an above average player who knew how to utilize hellbats. He will fade into mediocrity, in my opinion.

Care to explain this and this, then? And this or this? Hellbats all the way, right?


It's funny when people say that because Bogus was actually very late to the hellbat punch so to speak and he was still very effective, but people seem to forget that.

I don't know which prediction is more bold. The idea of Maru not advancing out of groups (something I figured) or Bogus having a similar fate. Any given Sunday boys.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-27 01:58:37
August 27 2013 01:57 GMT
#311
On August 27 2013 02:01 9-BiT wrote:
He was an above average player who knew how to utilize hellbats. He will fade into mediocrity, in my opinion.


Technically everything you said is correct.

1. Innovation is definitely above average

2. Innovation definitely knew how to use hellbats

3. Everyone fades into mediocrity. Boxer, Yellow, Reach, Nada, oov, July, savoir, Bisu, etc. No one is dominant forever, and even legends retire and hang up their mouses, to make way for the new generation of players. The only question is how long one can stay relevant. I think Innovation is far from becoming irrelevant.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
CrazyF1r3f0x
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2120 Posts
September 02 2013 19:04 GMT
#312
On August 27 2013 02:16 Grovbolle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2013 08:32 SuperFanBoy wrote:
On August 23 2013 05:08 shin777 wrote:
hellbat nerf = end of innovation

what do you expect? he was overhyped when he was mere patch terran champ who abused hellbat to death. He's only good for TvZ and that's it. Kinda like forgg who's only good at TvT but sux at other match ups. Era of Innovation was already ended the moment hellnerf implanted. I was sick of his hellbat abuse to mech push or cheese(2 frigging patterns all the time) in tvt anyway. Right now, he's still in round of 4 but you just watch. It will be lucky for him to make it to round of 8 from next season or drop down to code A and struggle there like startale life. Winning season 1 final was too good for patch terran champ anyway. MVP is sitll the king of terran. Innovation has a lot to prove for next 3-4 seasons at least by winning at least 1 or 2 more big championships in korea to be considered world's best. It was a bad joke calling him the best in the world when he abused hellbat and cheese to win his first and will be the only championship. Good bye innovation.

User was temp banned for this post.


Why was this guy banned? Seems like mods on here are getting bored these days.

He was pretty stupid and said stupid things it seems.

That'll usually do it
"Actual happiness always looks pretty squalid in comparison with the overcompensations for misery."
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