Call to Action: August 19 Balance Testing - Page 26

On August 21 2013 15:49 larse wrote:
I think beside Korea, ZvT winrate is quite balanced. That lair to 3-3 suggestion is too overreacted.

TvP is the really broken matchup that needs to be fixed. The Season 3 Korean winrate TvP is about 30%. That's pretty broken.

On August 21 2013 17:30 Sissors wrote:
Btw what I noticed recently in some TvZ games, for example Scarlet vs Dream on ATC, was the zerg floating massive amounts of gas, way more than the terran.

Sadly I think following the logic of most zerg players, this means we are forced to nerf zergs. Since floating gas means your composition is mainly dependent on minerals, and that is automatically OP.

On August 21 2013 17:28 Shousan wrote:
The problem I see with TvZ is that mid/late game composition for T is basically the same just in higher numbers while establishing a fourth base while Z has to go higher on their tech tree while still matching constant production and attacks from T, this is why it always seemed as if Z needed to continue with a mid game composition of mass muta ling bling just because there's not enough time to tech up, establish more bases and defend multiple drops and pushes, and in the end it just becomes impossible to match a 3/3 terran army with that composition.

People have been trying to go for different compositions but they fail at constantly trading and killing key terran units (medivacs), the ultralisk buff isn't really that big of a deal because in order to fully take advantage of ultras you need infestors and that composition comes a little too late IMO, And even then, 50hp sounds just weird...

I'd love it if this in fact changed how TvZ plays out in the late stages of the game, but I'm not very optimistic, I think more areas should be explored, maybe a corruptor change could make a roach ling bling corruptor composition more viable (having another viable unit composition would be awesome) or 3/3 with infestation pit just to get more even trades and allow the Z to tech up...

I like the other changes, making mech more viable will be helpful to bring more diversity to all matchups which is always a good thing.

On August 21 2013 17:30 Sissors wrote:
Btw what I noticed recently in some TvZ games, for example Scarlet vs Dream on ATC, was the zerg floating massive amounts of gas, way more than the terran.

Sadly I think following the logic of most zerg players, this means we are forced to nerf zergs. Since floating gas means your composition is mainly dependent on minerals, and that is automatically OP.

On August 21 2013 17:41 lolfail9001 wrote:

I love how you give sample size of exactly one game.

On August 21 2013 17:39 Rabiator wrote:

Swap that part with "can go higher tech" ... nothing high tech on the Terran side makes any sense at all and even Ravens - which are awesome when you have the energy to use them - cant keep up with the reproduction rate of Zerg. Battlecruisers have been useless against Zerg ever since the first day of WoL and nothing has changed ... except that they are even more useless nowadays with Abduct added to the Zerg arsenal.

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The reason for the "T3 problems" lie in the extremely high concentration of small AA units which maximizes their firepower while the "clump up punishing abilities" have been nerfed. Even Seeker Missile gets a five second warning and nice red glow as a warning so you can get every other unit out of the way. Completely stupid and Blizzard should really stop with that nonsense.

On August 21 2013 15:00 OPL3SA2 wrote:
guys will you please stop suggesting things? Blizzard is gonna read this post , and therefore be unable to implement any of your suggestions. Someone suggested changing the protoss upgrade colors to match every other race in the production tab, and Blizzard had to make it green because someone had already suggested red. Think about this example before you go laying out your awesome ideas that would actually make a lot of sense

On August 21 2013 17:39 Rabiator wrote:

Swap that part with "can go higher tech" ... nothing high tech on the Terran side makes any sense at all and even Ravens - which are awesome when you have the energy to use them - cant keep up with the reproduction rate of Zerg. Battlecruisers have been useless against Zerg ever since the first day of WoL and nothing has changed ... except that they are even more useless nowadays with Abduct added to the Zerg arsenal.

+ Show Spoiler +

The reason for the "T3 problems" lie in the extremely high concentration of small AA units which maximizes their firepower while the "clump up punishing abilities" have been nerfed. Even Seeker Missile gets a five second warning and nice red glow as a warning so you can get every other unit out of the way. Completely stupid and Blizzard should really stop with that nonsense.

On August 21 2013 18:28 MiCroLiFe wrote:
We’re already seeing the Viper energy increase from the last balance test map change timing attacks a lot more than we expected. We could revisit a lesser version of this change in the future, but for now we want to focus on helping out the Zerg in late game TvZ. We’ve said before that during late game TvZ, Zerg looks to be struggling too much due to having too many things to tend to. Therefore, a buff to a unit that’s easier to manage, like the Ultralisk, could be a really strong direction for testing.”

WOW? easy to manage? WOW. when do we terrans get some unit thats easy to manage and we can A move to win vs any ground army? zerg army are easy enough to controll...

and ultralisk is one of the core problem lategame tvz.. they are to strong... ONLY whit heavy maraduers you can win.. and how can you suddnely make many of those whit one or two techlabs? when you see 10 ultras suddenly on the map..

GJ blizzard buffing the alredy strongest race..