Call to Action: August 19 Balance Testing - Page 25

On August 21 2013 08:46 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Aside from considering moving the Viper to Lair tech, there's another route they could go. One that's been a very long time coming....they buff the corruptor.

I seem to recall David Kim mentioning that they wanted to change that unit for HotS because it was so boring to watch compared to Vikings and Phoenixes in WoL. HotS came. Nothing was done and it seems to have just flown under the radar since.

I've watched Yugioh go roach/ling/bane/corruptor before and thought if corrutors were just a little bit better this could really have potential. If they just had some other advantage over mutas besides being able to tank more damage to snipe medivacs during engagements. Hell you could maybe even still go muta/ling but mix these in as support casters. So what I prepose:

- Corruption cooldown is increased from 45s to 70s
- The duration remains at 30s
- The cost of a Corruptor is increased from 150/100 to 200/100
- Corruptor speed is increased from 2.9531 to 3 (same as a speed roach off creep. Could help a little with medivac sniping)
- Corruption is now an aoe projectile that reduces all upgrades (attack/armor/shields) by 1 with a radius of 2. (Essentially fungal growth with a different effect). Additionally, it doesn't stack and is capped at 0/0/0 reduction.

The unit is now more interesting to watch, very accessible at Lair (especially since you're likely to get a spire in both ZvT and ZvP), has a unique role as the only unit that can debuff upgrades, and would have even better lategame utility.

Maybe the stats I'm preposing are a bit off, but that's not really what's important. It's the concept. Essentially, I'm looking for something similar to the Devourer that's pre-Hive.

On August 21 2013 12:26 Drake wrote:
so the ultras, everyone flame they are to imba and they make them STRONGER ?
i dont rly get how that help vipers
jaeh make them better in zvt but did they thought about zvp ? ultras are a real danger even now

On August 21 2013 12:27 lolfail9001 wrote:

I do not recall anyone flaming about ultras being imba.

On August 21 2013 12:23 DemigodcelpH wrote:


David Kim also said that not every unit needs to be interesting, as this allows other units to be highlighted. The corrupter is fine, and demolishes massive air. There are other units that have higher and more urgent rework priority.

On August 21 2013 13:24 Nerski wrote:
buffing the ultra seems lazy, and extremely unhelpful. ZvT wise zerg doesn't struggle in the late game because ultras don't have 50 HP, they struggle in the late game because they get their so haphazardly a lot of the time. Largely due to the cost efficiency of bio/mine vs the cost efficiency of ling/bane/muta. So if they really wanted to address ZvT late game where the change needs to occur is ZvT mid game as far as cost efficiency for zerg goes.

Not saying it's the right call, but testing some kind of a buff to lings or banes would make more sense then this ultra 50 hp buff. All that will do is make late game impossible for T and maybe even create issues ZvP and ZvZ if a zerg can get to utlras fairly cleanly.

As far as what you'd buff with ling/bane, I think it'd make sense to test out something like a slight attack speed increase on lings. That way they are still fragile but if a player can micro them well to get on top of targets they'd do slightly better damage. It'd also make a ling run by more of a threat. Additionally could address issues Zergs are having with early gateway first timings where lings are your only defense coupled with queens.

On August 21 2013 13:05 lemonbone wrote:
The mech upgrade combine probably affect mech TvT the most. I still don't see the point meching in TvZ or TvP. I don't think the other two changes affect that much on high level play. Maybe they should do something with burrowed ultra, it could be fun to watch :D

I think mule is the real problem for ZvT mid game. There are countless time I see zerg tried to counter attack and killed a bunch of scv but terran just called down some mules and they are good to go again. This is making ZvT extremely predictable to watch, Zerg survival to hive tech and hope for the best while terran will try to get 3/3 and finish the game. There are not many games I watched that zerg win the game at mid game.