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On August 19 2013 16:51 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 16:37 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 19 2013 16:27 lichter wrote:On August 19 2013 16:15 Vindicare605 wrote:
I hope Flash doesn't give up the Mech fight, he's one of the few pros I know of that are vocal about the issue of wanting Mech back for Terran.
Very few pros have the kind of influence he does, maybe if he keeps voicing that opinion the devs might rethink their unilateral stance of wanting to keep Mech irrelevant. Not enough pros use or try mech on a big stage to draw attention to it. Yeah Bomber tried it on Rain on OSL but it was pretty bad and no one thought it would work (I guess that is the problem with it). When was the last time mech was a real, promising option in a non TvT matchup? Mvp vs Life? The fact none of them are using it should be evidence enough shouldn't it? Especially when in Flash's case they WANT to? These are guys that are playing to win with money on the line, they aren't going to use a strategy on televised games that they aren't absolutely confident in. I can be sure that nearly every Terran pro at some point has tried meching in practice or on the ladder. Saying, "well we don't know it's weak unless they use it where we can see it." is a dumb argument. Not sure why you are arguing with me. I said not enough pros have tried it, thus not a lot of negative attention. Not that we have lack of evidence. Mech lacks attention. Basically I am saying "we knew Bomber was dumb for using mech vs Rain because everyone knows it doesn't work" and "no one has used mech non TvT since Mvp, and that reveals something of a problem (that no one has used it since)", not that we don't have enough evidence -_-''
The negative attention is in them not using it. I'm pretty sure the other poster is correct to argue that its pretty silly a Terran player might play mech like as if it were a public statement to draw attention to mech with money on the line.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On August 19 2013 17:03 rd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 16:51 lichter wrote:On August 19 2013 16:37 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 19 2013 16:27 lichter wrote:On August 19 2013 16:15 Vindicare605 wrote:
I hope Flash doesn't give up the Mech fight, he's one of the few pros I know of that are vocal about the issue of wanting Mech back for Terran.
Very few pros have the kind of influence he does, maybe if he keeps voicing that opinion the devs might rethink their unilateral stance of wanting to keep Mech irrelevant. Not enough pros use or try mech on a big stage to draw attention to it. Yeah Bomber tried it on Rain on OSL but it was pretty bad and no one thought it would work (I guess that is the problem with it). When was the last time mech was a real, promising option in a non TvT matchup? Mvp vs Life? The fact none of them are using it should be evidence enough shouldn't it? Especially when in Flash's case they WANT to? These are guys that are playing to win with money on the line, they aren't going to use a strategy on televised games that they aren't absolutely confident in. I can be sure that nearly every Terran pro at some point has tried meching in practice or on the ladder. Saying, "well we don't know it's weak unless they use it where we can see it." is a dumb argument. Not sure why you are arguing with me. I said not enough pros have tried it, thus not a lot of negative attention. Not that we have lack of evidence. Mech lacks attention. Basically I am saying "we knew Bomber was dumb for using mech vs Rain because everyone knows it doesn't work" and "no one has used mech non TvT since Mvp, and that reveals something of a problem (that no one has used it since)", not that we don't have enough evidence -_-'' The negative attention is in them not using it. I'm pretty sure the other poster is correct to argue that its pretty silly a Terran player might play mech like as if it were a public statement to draw attention to mech with money on the line.
Yes it is negative attention not to use it. But is it enough?
Blizz and anti-Terran fans will always point to the "we haven't seen people use it how can we know it's bad" argument, and point at winrates.
Yes I know those aren't good arguments. But mech buffs will have a hard time receiving popular backing as long as Terran keeps winning without mech and people can still make the above argument.
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Imagine Flash playing 5 heroes at the same time in scrims against KT's Dota 2 roster
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Any possibilities to translate MadLife's portion as well?
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WAIT, DOES FLASH NOT UNDERSTAND HOW TO 1-1-1?
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On August 19 2013 17:26 tl2212 wrote:
WAIT, DOES FLASH NOT UNDERSTAND HOW TO 1-1-1?
With my heart, I say he noe. He is delicated and strong player. So believe with 0% doubt he noe about it.
Now I see why Flash go hellion tank @ vs innovation some time ago. . .  Maybe he loves mech and robot . Manly stuff.
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Great interivew. Someone good at English should correct all those grammar mistakes.
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Also he asked about LoL because it's a joint interview with the Korean God of LoL, CJ Frost's Madlife. It's a joint interview with the two current icons of e-sports in Korea.
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On August 19 2013 15:13 SAFenix wrote:Wow even Flash is talking about how LoL is interesting. Also, when he says after during games in BW, he would feel excitement, it makes me think he intends to tell us he is not enjoying Starcraft 2.  This interview makes me sad for our scene but also happy that such a player like Flash has graced us by being in it.
I thought the excitement part might have referred to the spectators being excited about Flash playing and not his own feelings when going into a match. Also I doubt he'd ever say negative things about LoL in an dual-interview with a LoL player.
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I hope the game design team will finally listen and make Terran more interesting.
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So many people unhappy with Sc2 , I wonder what Jeadong and Bisu are thinking ?
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I would settle for tanks becoming viable.
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Poor Flash got teased by Blizzard when they were all "yeah making mech viable is a priority for us in hots bla bla etc" Now in hots the iconic siege tank is no where to be seen except in TvT and instead we have bioballs running around with unlimited stim because of huge medivac counts. Remember the days when you had to spend gas on tanks and therefore only had a few medivacs and the zerg could bait out stims and it actually mattered? If the day comes when Flash enjoys the strategic options in this game then he will be back on the throne. Stay strong!
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On August 19 2013 13:47 insectoidform wrote:
How can flash think he has the same skill in LoL as he does in sc2? In LoL there 100+ champions to pick from while in sc2 there are 3 races. The amount of strategies that are employed in that game will never be understood by someone that plays a 1v1.
Read much?
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On August 19 2013 14:27 insectoidform wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 14:22 manicshock wrote:On August 19 2013 13:50 insectoidform wrote:On August 19 2013 13:48 larse wrote:On August 19 2013 13:47 insectoidform wrote:
How can flash think he has the same skill in LoL as he does in sc2? In LoL there 100+ champions to pick from while in sc2 there are 3 races. The amount of strategies that are employed in that game will never be understood by someone that plays a 1v1. You read it wrong. It's the interviewer who says that He might as well have said it because the interviewer said so. If you tackle someone on a basketball court, the team suffers because a player gets a penalty. If this game is to be taken seriously as an E-sport and be on the level of basketball he will have to take the penalty for the interviewer will he not? So if the interviewer said Flash enjoyed stabbing people in his spare time, would we accept that and think "Hmm, there's a chance the interviewer did a mis-translation OR the more likely option: Flash is a serial kill." You've got a good point. It's the only way we can take SC2 to the next level. This is the tradeoff for Esports to be taken as seriously as a real sport. Otherwise it is teenagers playing a video game. In the real world, if you say something it is taken seriously, just like on a basketball court. Why should this be any different?
...You, sir, need to stop pretending as if you mean what you said. You know perfectly well how wrong you are.
In the world of interviews, its -often- that the interviewer has made a mistake. It is often that the interviewee needs to correct them on their mistake. If you mean to tell me that an interviewer messing up should be blamed on the player, even after the player has attempted to correct the interviewers mistake, then I refuse to believe thats your honest viewpoint.
Looking forward to seeing more variation, more transitions etc. Even if "Mech was played most" in TvP BW, it was still a more fluid mech. You couldn't just mass tanks. It was a measurement of Tanks and Vultures to keep a healthy amount of flank and map control. Afterwards, you'd need to add in Science Vessels for EMP and detection. Assuming he'd go air, you'd have to have a transition to Goliath/Wraith ready. It was a fluid and transitional mech, with each unit serving a purpose.
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On August 19 2013 17:41 Fionn wrote:
Also he asked about LoL because it's a joint interview with the Korean God of LoL, CJ Frost's Madlife. It's a joint interview with the two current icons of e-sports in Korea.
Is there a translated version of madlifes interview ?
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Strange how people perceive Bombers failed Hellbat/ Thor experiment as the ultimate proof of mech not being viable. Not saying that it is but that game isn't exactly a good example of it.
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On August 19 2013 18:13 Penev wrote:
Strange how people perceive Bombers failed Hellbat/ Thor experiment as the ultimate proof of mech not being viable. Not saying that it is but that game isn't exactly a good example of it.
Sorry but using just 1 and a half of a mech is NOT a mech army ...
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