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mouzStarbuck
Slovenia17 Posts
All in all, too many proof (from counter builds, to stream hack fail, all the dumb excuses) and complaints from pro players (bly, jogginghose, me, nerchio, much more i'm sure..) so just stop this discussion and hope Blizzard (who doesn't care about it) will do something about it... ...  | ||
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rafaliusz
Poland482 Posts
On July 30 2013 21:18 2on2.ImBaTosS wrote: i really dont care about what u guys think , really... but what i want to tell u is , that i hate the shit "i came from nowhere" are u fucking kidding me? , i was top 100 gm in wol , then i cintinued with hots and was 2 seaosns top 50 and then top 30 gm in Eu , then i got kicked out of gm cuz of inactivity , because i played on NA , and there i was top 16 too so what the hell are u talking about , i came from nowhere? xD , the other thing is i never played tournaments before because i just ply tournaments when i know i have a chance to win it , and thats the cause since some months , cause i improved , so pls , shut the fuck up with "i came from nowhere" And when ur complaining now again about my bad english , then i wish u a lot of fun , i really dont mind You got caught. It's over. Face it, kid, man up, it's time to realize what happened, appologize and get the fuck out of our community (as you don't deserve to be a part of it) if you have any remaining scraps of honour. | ||
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dani`
Netherlands2402 Posts
On July 30 2013 20:02 Jogginghose wrote: just curious, does your autohotkey programm show up in your audiosettings? I'm not that familiar with windows .No it does not. But AutoHotkey has a function SoundPlay so I assume when it uses that (or has done so in the past) it will probably show up there. Btw I'm not defending this guy, just saying the mere fact he uses some audio producing AutoHotkey program does *proof* he's a hacker. To proof what I'm saying; a 1 line AutoHotkey script can pop up in the Windows Volume Mixer: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4kHMREQ.png) | ||
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Snusmumriken
Sweden1717 Posts
On July 30 2013 21:32 FLORIDACOMPACT wrote: It's not new, but considering your assumption, wouldn't it have been easier for me to just select a different country if I had made this account on purpose? It would, but people are pretty stupid and prone to conspiracy-theories. Having said that, I hate to break it to you guys but I am actually Imbatoss using a smurfaccount! Or am I just trolling? Or am I just pretending to be trolling in order to throw you all off from the fact that I am actually imbatoss?! Or am I pretending to be imbatoss in order to obscure my secret batman identity?!?! | ||
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habeck
1120 Posts
On July 30 2013 20:16 NarutO wrote: Naama is right. At least if the hacker is not complete dumb. You can look at timings and improve. When I am ingame and I have a supplylead and/or advantage, often times I don't realize. With a hack, you would realize, you would know your timings in and out and you would also learn about their builds and timings. As said, its really if you are into the game, hack would provide information that help to improve the understanding part of the game, not in the mechanics. Still its cheating and shouldn't be accepted. ImbaToSs said he uses this program to automatically hotkey his buildings/units, that in itself is bannable offense and should be followed up by a ban from tournaments and Teamliquid. If he does also use the other features and/or he really maphacks I cannot comment on, personally from the evidence, it would lead me to believe yes, he does. Thats questionable if you improve faster with cheats | ||
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FLORIDACOMPACT
Germany108 Posts
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rafaliusz
Poland482 Posts
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Nerski
United States1095 Posts
On July 28 2013 22:34 sLideSC2 wrote: Blizzard needs to either open up more data or develop a punkbuster-esque software for these things to stop happening. They already have one but it can be bypassed. Reality is in anything where you can win money for sport, there will be cheaters. Maphackers in SC2 are like steroid abusers in professional sports. If there is a way to cheat to make you better to gain more money there will always be people willing to try to find a way to do it. | ||
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Shew
United States460 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340614¤tpage=329#6574 | ||
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highty
13 Posts
If you use Autohotkey to lets say bind a controll group to your middle mouse button - or bind "Mousewheelup" to patrol ... and so on - thats count as cheating aswell? | ||
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Nerski
United States1095 Posts
On July 31 2013 02:21 highty wrote: just curious: If you use Autohotkey to lets say bind a controll group to your middle mouse button - or bind "Mousewheelup" to patrol ... and so on - thats count as cheating aswell? If it's a third party program that does something in the game for you so either you don't have to, or it's something advantageous that other players can not do (without said 3rd party program), then yes you are cheating. The degree to how bad someone is cheating is sometimes not all that advantageous and most players won't care. On the other hand the more extreme cheats will always be of much discussion. Blizzard however, can and does ban people for using third party programs as they make changes to their cheat detection program. This doesn't stop the more extreme cheaters as they just buy new accounts. So keeping the more extreme cheaters out of leagues would be up to the league itself. The only third party software that 100% won't get you banned is things like SC2Gears that work outside of the confines of the game and have no affect on in game play what so ever. TLDR: If you are using anything that does something for you while you play you run the risk of being ban on ladder. What strelok was referring to lies more towards the onus on leagues to not let cheaters in, or at least that's what I got from the post. | ||
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lorestarcraft
United States1049 Posts
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dani`
Netherlands2402 Posts
On July 31 2013 02:21 highty wrote: just curious: If you use Autohotkey to lets say bind a controll group to your middle mouse button - or bind "Mousewheelup" to patrol ... and so on - thats count as cheating aswell? Binding the Patrol hotkey to the mouse wheel instead of P certainly is no cheating, at least I would not consider it to be. That's just changing the hotkey basically, a bit unusual perhaps to use the mouse wheel for it but whatever floats your boat. It becomes a bit shady when you use AutoHotkey to let's say bind F1 to some kind of macro like 'select all queens and inject all Hatcheries instantly'. | ||
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eusoc
Italy82 Posts
On July 31 2013 02:32 dani` wrote: Binding the Patrol hotkey to the mouse wheel instead of P certainly is no cheating, at least I would not consider it to be. That's just changing the hotkey basically, a bit unusual perhaps to use the mouse wheel for it but whatever floats your boat. It becomes a bit shady when you use AutoHotkey to let's say bind F1 to some kind of macro like 'select all queens and inject all Hatcheries instantly'. You can bind anything "legal"(1 key 1 action) inside the game.. Any third party program that changes hotkey violates SC ToS AND - is useless if you stay in the allowed area - it binds more than 1 action to 1 key Besides of that the icon showed in the stream is a standalone program... but it can also be part of a maphack. Sure you can also have a maphack installed on your pc and show it installed on stream, nevertheless nobody can say you cheated 100% sure. The only way to prove that would be to break in the cheater house while he's playing or hack his pc... So we have few instruments to say he's hacking, all of which relate to common sense. - replay analisys, he never get caught off guard, blind countering anything - pro players' opinion, same as above with the addition of consideration about poor scout and poor micro/decision making in fights - other indicators, like having a sospicious program running None of this alone can be considered a proof... but putting all together actually make his position more than suspicious. | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On July 31 2013 01:35 Nerski wrote: They already have one but it can be bypassed. Reality is in anything where you can win money for sport, there will be cheaters. Maphackers in SC2 are like steroid abusers in professional sports. If there is a way to cheat to make you better to gain more money there will always be people willing to try to find a way to do it. Hackers aren't really like steroid abusers. | ||
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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
While they're not covered in muscles with shrunken testicles (the testicles thing is arguable), I think they're "like" 'roid users because they're cheating and nobody has any respect for their accomplishments and they get banned if they're caught. I could probably think of more similarities but it shouldn't be hard to make connections. | ||
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aintthatfunny
193 Posts
On July 29 2013 01:48 AcerBly wrote: about imbatoss agree with nerchio He is streamcheating or mh, Maybe even he and juicypeach is same player)imbatoss is german juicypeach is obviously russian | ||
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xxpack09
United States2160 Posts
On July 31 2013 10:56 dUTtrOACh wrote: While they're not covered in muscles with shrunken testicles (the testicles thing is arguable), I think they're "like" 'roid users because they're cheating and nobody has any respect for their accomplishments and they get banned if they're caught. I could probably think of more similarities but it shouldn't be hard to make connections. The main difference is that steroid abusers can use their cheating devices successfully in major tournaments and avoid detection, while you obviously can't get away with hacking at a LAN. (not to detract from online tournaments, but in general most of the biggest tournaments are LAN) edit: well not quite LAN in SC2's case but you know what I mean  | ||
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Salient
United States876 Posts
On July 28 2013 22:49 grs wrote: Legally and technically impractical. Also the assumption, that hacks are developed for ladder only, is not right. There are players using this for money. It could be done legally. There would be a pop-up explaining the modification to the terms of service. You could accept and play in ladder games or decline and not play in ladder games. That is perfectly legal under US law as long as the existing terms of service allow for such modifications, which they no doubt do. And I have a strong suspicion that Blizzard's lawyers wrote the license to make it clear that US law applies. Technical feasibility is another matter, but there is no doubt that Blizzard could do more. | ||
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Nerski
United States1095 Posts
On July 31 2013 11:06 xxpack09 wrote: The main difference is that steroid abusers can use their cheating devices successfully in major tournaments and avoid detection, while you obviously can't get away with hacking at a LAN. (not to detract from online tournaments, but in general most of the biggest tournaments are LAN) edit: well not quite LAN in SC2's case but you know what I mean With lots of tournaments doing online qualifiers though, it still affects people in the pocket book eventually. It may not gain the cheater a LAN win, but it sure could eliminate a player who may have won in lan. Just look at what happened in WCS already as a perfect example of hackers affecting people's pocket book. | ||
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